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  1. Regarding the bolded, it was not a "misleading announcement," it was a rare moment of honesty. That's the real reason they are afraid to let him speak.
  2. Those are great, I’m going to start using those in posts. Ex: “That article has no corroborated source; it was the Woozle Effect in action.”
  3. I could quibble with your examples, but to the extent that your point is that there are racists on the right, I concede your point. It is when people illogically conflate that with “everyone on the right is racist,” albeit a subconscious undercurrent that’s not always overt or necessarily with “evil intent,” that I take exception.
  4. Before we go down this rat hole, do you agree with my previous post that the left views right positions through a lens of racism?
  5. I don’t understand, are you saying that the right views all leftist positions as racist?
  6. I respectfully disagree, opinions like Sinn Fein’s have become the norm. I believe the left got a bit lazy during the Obama years, attributing any objection from the right regarding Obama policies as racism. It continues to this day. It’s difficult to have a constructive conversation of different approaches to solving complex problems if one side views the other through a default lens of racism.
  7. Your attempt to conflate efforts to reduce illegal immigration with opposition to all immigration is quite impressive.
  8. @MTskibum, I listen to Freakonomics podcasts, this week they replayed one entitled “How Stupid is our Obsession with Lawns.” The statistics on the sheer area of lawns in this country, and the amount of water and chemicals and equipment/fuel used to maintain them is staggering. Only 27 minutes long, good listen: https://freakonomics.com/podcast/lawns-rebroadcast-2/
  9. On the topic of school funding, I googled it for AZ (my state) and found what seems like a great link with data already parsed into scatter plots and quartile bar charts. Article Arizona School Finance Dashboard The data indicates that the strongest correlation by far is to property wealth. Ethnic correlations are very low, for Black, Hispanic, and overall Non-White (I presume this includes Native Americans as well). Thus, once again, we are back to a poverty issue (specifically, property wealth) and not a racial issue. And in this case, you cannot extend the definition of "racist" to say it disproportionately affects minorities, at least significantly. As a side note, income poverty has interesting data. The highest poverty quartile has significantly less funding, but the second highest poverty quartile has as much or more as the lowest quartile, and more than the second lowest quartile.
  10. Thanks. Digging around other parts of the CFR, I noted a place where "common cold and flu" are treated differently than more serious illnesses. Also there is a whole separate OSHA set of guidelines on Covid: https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/standards#temp_enforcement_guidance Perhaps something in there, although I don't have time to dig (and I'm not a compliance specialist). Also I wonder if required testing is treated differently than a voluntary "vaccine drive"? Regardless, I appreciate your looking into it, as clearly there is some disconnect or flat out mistake.
  11. Vaxxed and no regrets. I have some medical issues which would make it not good for me to get Covid. My confidence is actually in the big pharma companies — people say that they are in it for the money, and they are making quite a bit, but it could be catastrophic to their brand if their vaccine caused a lot of death or serious illness. I don’t think they would have released it if they weren’t somewhat confident that at least it won’t harm you. As an extra bonus, this mRNA technology could someday help me or people like me, so I felt a little like I was helping to beta test My faith is NOT in the government. They have proved to be entirely Machiavellian throughout, lying whenever they felt the need, and I can see why many people who recognize this have chosen not to trust the vaccine. The latest I’ve seen is that the Dept of Labor and OSHA don’t want companies to even report adverse reactions to the vaccine. From their FAQ page: https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs I guess I appreciate their being so forthright in their duplicity? I mean really, you don’t even want the data?
  12. You concluded that the systemic part of the problem is the cost issue, which is a poverty issue. The fact that you can tie some portion of that poverty to historical racist systemic issues does not make the health care system racist from a cost perspective. I guess we're just circling back to the different definitions of racism perhaps. But it does explain to me why the left sees racist boogeymen around every corner. If one can say "those Jim Crow laws from a century ago contributed to black poverty, therefore our health care system is racist", one can see racism in every system. Your second point is somewhere between a shotgun blast and moving the goal posts. Regardless, in the post you quoted I acknowledged (for not the first time) a potential source of racism. That "weathering" can impact poor and rich alike, and it was proposed in the earlier NPR link as a primary reason for non-poverty disparate outcomes. That seems like something we can further investigate and address. The left has watered down "racism" so much that a lot of people, myself included, are increasingly dismissive of the label. It has turned into this all-encompassing descriptor, the solution to which is akin to trying to contain water with rubber bands. I'm trying to divide and conquer, exploring solutions to identifiable specific issues. But I fear that many don't really want solutions, at least as much as they want to assign blame and guilt.
  13. To the extent it is a cost issue, and I agree that that is the primary systemic issue, I would argue that it is a poverty issue, not a race issue. A race issue might be what I parsed above from the link, where the effective age of a black woman's body is relatively higher due to chronic life stresses. I'm not saying it's true, but let's say it is. As an example, IIRC the rule of thumb is to recommend an amnio if the mother is 35. Where does that age come from? Is it from a typical white mother? Should a black woman have one at an earlier age because on average her body is more "weathered" (the word used in the link)? As an engineer, these strike me as the types of systemic race issues which we can work to quantify and address
  14. The conversation we're having (well, I'm having) is the topic of systemic racism in our health care system. My answer reflected that. Your first paragraph talks about a bunch of historical injustices which aren't reflected in the system today. You can argue that perhaps we need something like a marketing campaign to convince more black women to seek natal care, and you can call that part of the health care "system," I suppose. Otherwise I don't see the relevance to removing systemic racism from our current system. Your second paragraph: I said nothing in that post about shared responsibility, or scamming the system, or blame at all. So I don't know why you included it.
  15. Thanks. I'm not particularly interested in the slavery topics, at least in the context of how we improve things moving forward. I read your first link and here are my thoughts: it is built around the life and death of Shalon Irving, a successful black woman who died at age 36 in the days after delivery. A lot of mortality rate differences are provided, and then the following conclusion: Then they start unpacking that. They make a case for causes which are more attributed to poverty than race: then some one-off examples of individual racism: but the most interesting IMO is the discussion around stress and its effects. The stress factors come from being black but are independent of the health system. But the overall impact is to make the average biological age of a black woman significantly higher than that of a white woman. This seems like a good example of (probably unconscious) racial bias in the system. The system sees a 30 yr old black mother and treats her like a white 30 year old, not the effective 36-ish year old that she is, with associated pregnancy challenges. So a lot of problems are probably overlooked or dismissed. Then we learn about Shalon's life, how it was stressful, and how she amassed quite a few chronic medical problems along the way. We also learn that post-partum care is inadequate independent of race: Then some specific differences with black mothers are presented: These are areas to explore if the health system does not account for differences in black female physiology. Unfortunately it follows it up with the following: This unfortunately-worded paragraph implies that 2/3 of low-income black women don't attend postpartum visits because of discrimination or disrespect; neither link provided bears this out. Anyway, sorry for the long parsing, basically it was a very interesting read but I find myself close to where I started: the overarching problem is one of poverty, and in Shalon's specific case one of poor postpartum care for women in general, but there are potential opportunities to improve the system for issues specific to black women. In fact this concept that the medical system bases decisions based primarily on data from white people is possibly the largest example I see of institutional racism. Not intentional necessarily, but it specifically affects black people.
  16. My position is that it is not racist solely on the result of disproportionate impact. Yes it should be fixed, but continuing the health care analogy, the fix is addressing black poverty, not health care per se. Caveat: I am making an admitted generalization about a very large system. If for instance that WaPo article I couldn't read provided evidence of black babies suffering under white doctors, that would probably be an example of (unconscious but still) racism which should be addressed. I'm not sure what you are asking, or perhaps I already answered it.
  17. Why would I ask myself why POC are disproportionately poor? It is completely contrary to the point I made. In fact, to be intellectually honest, it seems like you read my post and decided to lead your response with something to show that you made no attempt whatsoever to process my point. Regarding your last statement, congrats I guess, you've beautifully summarized the desire to assign blame vs. solve the problem. The problem, as a reminder, is how to improve health care for poor people.
  18. Health care is an excellent example of the different definitions of racism. I do not think our system is racist, I think it is "poor-ist," and it so happens that disproportionate percentage of POC are poor. Calling it racist shifts focus to the wrong factors, and waters down the meaning of the word.
  19. So in this case the officers (black and white) should consciously disregard their experience and... do what exactly? Set quotas? Spend more time in lower-crime areas?
  20. Thanks for the response. I think @Caveman33 captured some of what I would say, but I don't want to put words in his mouth, so... Earlier in this thread or another recent one we talked about the definition of racism. I don't want to rehash it all, but I said intent is involved, others said not. I think the answer is much more complex than that and not easily captured in a single statement. But I do NOT consider something to be racist if it merely has the effect of disproportionately affecting a particular race. Others do. In the specific case of evidence showing that white and black police officers have comparable bias towards black suspects, I do not consider that to be racist, but rather to be a bias based on years of experience. "Profiling" may be a better word than racist, based on the years of experience that the officer has accrued. If you feel that such behavior is racist because of the disproportional impact, then you would find this to be racist, and we cab agree to disagree. I will add that I also don't find much merit in the arguments that powder cocaine has significantly fewer arrests than crack. That strikes me a little like a kid complaining to his mother that his brother misbehaved too; if you don't want to be arrested, don't break the law. This is not to say that there aren't great discussions to be had around the War on Drugs, or the criminalization of drugs in general, or sentencing disparities. And I don't know know much about the different effects of powder vs. crack to comment. But none of that is a policing issue.
  21. He said that the bias is borne out of past experiences. How do you conclude from that statement that the law enforcement system is racist?
  22. Sorry but… that opinion blog uses percentages but not overall numbers. Increases of 2.2 and 2.7% to how many? And how many where homicides? A few hundred, to be generous? In 2020 42,060 people died in car accidents. That’s a fraction of a percent. Using your logic, it is much more reasonable to assume that a black man walking towards you has committed a violent crime.
  23. Obviously several people (myself included) disagree with you. Of larger concern might be your inability to see a shade of gray.
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