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  1. On 10/27/2020 at 7:34 AM, Poke_4_Life said:

    Has @Kumerica already given up?  I played him last weekend and half his team didn't play.  

    Also, if you feel so inclined...  pour one out for @Sinn Fein.  He may be back at some point, but I'm assuming it will be after the election given his lack of restraint in the PSF.

    I haven't given up. I got busy in work and life and forgot all about it. I also play in a couple of different FPL leagues using a different app and my focus was on those. I'll work harder at paying more attention and being somewhat competitive.

  2. Once upon a time, I, like an idiot, offered to judge the Fantasy category.

     

    Fantasy

     

    The (Un)Scientific Scoring Methodology:

    1.      As with every other category, while I was busy watching or rewatching some of the films, I enlisted some trusted and reliable movie-loving friends to assist. I asked them each to force rank everything in the category--without consulting the internet or other sources—according to their preferences. Sure enough, the results often differed substantially.

    2.      I took the average of their rankings to help create an initial tier. IN THIS CATEGORY, THESE TIERS WERE VITAL, PARTICULARLY AT THE BOTTOM HALF.

    3.      Since they weren’t very helpful previously, I did NOT consult lists from a wide swath of publications this time around. I just ain't got the time.

    4.      I went ahead and created my own ranking based on the following, in no particular order:

    -        My personal enjoyment watching and/or rewatching the movie, as well as my history with it.

    -        Does it belong in this category? My definition of Fantasy was definitely put under duress for this draft.

    -        Weight (i.e. Legacy, influence, timelessness, awards (rarely), average rankings of my friends, etc.)

    In the end, there is such a thing as “best” vs. “favorite,” and as far as these rankings are concerned, in case it was close, my favorites tended to edge out what might be technically/ commercially/critically considered a better film within the genre.

    The movies listed here are all great films in their own rights. But, before you get upset at the point assignments, please remember . . .

    One does not simply walk into the FFA and judge fantasy films.

     

    16. Big Fish (1 pt.)

    I do love this movie. A lot. It’s terrific fun and definitely Tim Burton’s most tender movie. But it suffers greatly here because A) its average by my friends put it in the bottom tier, B) once you’ve seen it once, its magic diminishes a bit.

     

    15. Heaven Can Wait (2 pts)

    Here’s where my definition of FANTASY differs, I s’pose. Sure, it’s fantastical . . . I mean, heaven, amirite? Anyway, it’s classic-ish, I loved it as a kid, and hey, Charles Grodin. Great movie, not sure it’s in the right place.

     

    14. Jason and the Argonauts (3 pts)

    This classic also suffered from the averaged tiering. Also, my first rewatch in 30+ years didn’t greatly change my indifference. Animation still holds up pretty nicely, though.

     

    13. Big (4 pts)

    Classic. Fun. Emminently rewatchable. Kinda creepy if you think too hard on it.

     

    12. The Thief of Baghdad (5 pts)

    Magical for the time, often overlooked since it followed Wizard of Oz, and it still looks great. Now I think about it, I don't know why it's so low, but I was told to hurry up and put the rankings up as is.

     

    11. Field of Dreams (6 pts)

    I ordinarily wouldn’t call this a fantasy movie, but it’s a terrific film as a whole, has ghosts and voices to rep the category, and there aren’t many sports movies in the categories I’ve judged. Plus, a road trip with Darth Vader and Robin Hood? Totally worth 6 points.

     

    10. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (7 pts)

    The sequels, the Disney-fied franchise-ness of it all, can help us forget how well done, fresh, and funny this swashbuckling original was. It does run a bit long, but I love it.

     

    9. Conan the Barbarian (8 pts)

    Look, some might think it’s ranked too high, some might think it’s too low. It was the perfect vehicle for early Arnold because he didn’t have to speak very much. From most critical standpoints, it sucks, but the kid in me—who will never die—still finds it totally awesome.

     

    8. Pan’s Labyrinth (9 pts)

    A beautifully crafted, darkly artistic tour de force that I loved a lot.

     

    7.  Excalibur (10 pts)

    An awesomely dark, super-depressing take. Kudos, Mr. Boorman.

     

    6. Groundhog Day (11 pts)

    My personal bias wouldn’t have placed it in this category, but my personal bias also rates this as an all-time favorite. How would you feel if you were stuck in one place, every day was exactly the same, and nothing you did mattered? That sums it up for me. Totally relevant in 2020, and not feeling all that fantastical. Too late for flapjacks?

     

    5. Mary Poppins (12 pts)

    Generally speaking, I’m not a fan of musicals, but this is a timeless classic. It probably has less appeal for adults, but so do most fantasies.

     

    4.  It’s a Wonderful Life (13pts)

    It’s no Die Hard, but it’s a damn fine Christmas movie. Not sure it's fantasy, but at this point, I've stopped caring. 

     

    3. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (14pts)

    I loved the books, I loved the series, and this being arguably the best of the series, shall represent them all.

     

    2. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (15 pts)

    This film series practically defines the category for me. Now, some call this the finest film of the series. My personal favorite was always FotR, because it showed me that my favorite books of all times were in good hands, I love the preparation part of a journey, and a few months after 9/11, I needed the escape. The Two Towers I watched at a midnight pre-opening day release about 30 minutes after seeing Lyle Lovett and Randy Newman tape segments of the PBS show “Soundstages.” I don’t know why I mentioned that. Anyway, in this case, I’m going to assume the drafter selected The Extended Edition and not the Theatrical Release, because the Extended Editions are A) Far superior, and B) the only versions I own in digital format.

     

    1. The Princess Bride (16 pts)

    Unless I am wrong, and I am never wrong, this movie also defines the category. It’s perfect, and my second favorite movie of all time. Kudos, drafter.

     

     

     

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  3. 30 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

    which half? :lmao: - apparently I need to rewatch the movie.

    ETA: I think it's coming back now. The transportation trick was his brother but he was cloning himself for the water tank trick (where he was letting them drown). I forgot all about that so yes there was a sci-fi element although not necessarily traditional sci-fi.

    You're forgetting a lot of that movie. I'd give it away, but would instead recommend you indeed give it a rewatch--it's really good.

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  4. 1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

    Ok. I’m remembering it wrong then, as I thought that the reveal at the end was that he had a twin brother that was helping him make the audience think the were actually transporting him from box to box. Didn’t remember it was a clone - but it’s coming back now.

    My bad.

    You’re half right.

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  5. 10 hours ago, Kumerica said:

    Sorry for the delay. Eddie Van Halen died and I was inconsolable, listening to VH music, trying to remember how to play riffs, etc. When I looked up, it was later than I wanted to post.

     

    Science Fiction On Earth

     

    The (Un)Scientific Scoring Methodology:

    1.      As with every other category, while I was busy watching or rewatching some of the films, I enlisted some trusted and reliable movie-loving friends to assist. I asked them each to force rank everything in the category--without consulting the internet or other sources—according to their preferences. Sure enough, the results often differed substantially.

    2.      I took the average of their rankings to help create an initial tier.

    3.      Since they weren’t very helpful previously, I did NOT consult lists from a wide swath of publications this time around.

    4.      I went ahead and created my own ranking based on the following, in no particular order:

    -        My personal enjoyment watching and/or rewatching the movie, as well as my history with it.

    -        Does it belong in this category? 

    -        Weight (i.e. Legacy, influence, timelessness, awards (rarely), average rankings of my friends, etc.)

    In the end, there is such a thing as “best” vs. “favorite,” and as far as these rankings are concerned, in case it was close, my favorites tended to edge out what might be technically/ commercially/critically considered a better film within the genre.

    The movies listed here are all great films in their own rights. But, before you get upset at the point assignments, please remember, whatever you think . . .

     

    I make this look good.

     

    16. Independence Day (1 pt.)

    I remember seeing this for the first time in the theater. As the credits began to roll, my friend turned to me and said, “It was bad, but I liked it.” And that kind of sums it up for me. It was a 90s popcorn-and-Cherry Coke summer blockbuster. Poop, yes, but fun poop.

     

    15. The Fly (2 pts)

    Do You Have Room?

     

    14. Men In Black (3 pts)

    I feel kinda bad for ranking this film so low, I remember enjoying it a lot and it was tremendous fun. But when I rewatch it now, I just don’t enjoy it as much. It could be that it feels too much like a cartoon, or a a kids’ movie . . . I don’t know. More likely is that I’ve simply become jaded by the Will Smith swagger, particularly from this era, apparently.

     

    13. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (4 pts)

    Cold War paranoia at its finest, this movie was a template for many a SciFi horror trope, but not necessarily for the positive. It’s a classic, to be sure, but a classic B-movie that my rewatch only hindered and did not help. Sorry, drafter.

     

    6 hours ago, Kumerica said:

    12. Arrival (5 pts)

    Recency bias may have this a bit lower than some might expect, but it feels right to me. There’s not a lot to complain about—the production design is stand-out fantastic—and the overall plot, alien intentions, narrative style, flash forwards, etc. are all woven together nicely. I really liked this movie, in the theater, as well as a few rewatches, but with each viewing I was constantly left feeling as though it’s a well-executed composite of things I’d already seen, and that I wanted it to be better.

     

    11. Robocop (6 pts)

    1980s Detroit, baby! It’s not a particularly high ranking for this classic, but that could be because it’s dated . . . or because it’s feeling a bit too real now. That said, I still love it, and will always watch it when it’s on, I just can’t rank it higher than the others above it.

     

    10. Ex-Machina (7 pts)

    The conversations we have when Science Fiction steps into Science Fact. The production design on this is stellar, the film is tight overall, and the actors are all aces. It’s quiet and meditative, leaning on its script and the nuances of its actors to carry it through—this is its strength, as well as its weakness in terms of ranking. As much as I liked it, in a scenario similar to Arrival, it didn’t resonate long-term with me as much as the films above it (or even some of those below it). Still, a small but mighty film with vision. The lesson? Be nice to your appliances.

     

    9. Snowpiercer (8 pts)

    My first Bong Joon-ho film, I saw this at the theater and, over the 7 years since, have been insisting to friends that they watch this movie. Liked Okja? Man, you need to see Snowpiercer! Loved Parasite? Yeah, you can see more of his class-based awesomeness in Snowpiercer, which really brought him to the fore! I’ve seen this several times, and although a rewatch in this case wasn’t necessary, I did it anyway. It’s grim, but I love it. I wish I could rank it higher, but there are some classics, surprises, and sentimental choices ahead of it. Still, a worthy contender.

     

    2 hours ago, Kumerica said:

     

    8. Planet of the Apes (9 pts)

    For me, its reputation exceeds it. It’s a classic, sure—its influence and place in popular culture is forever secured which, frankly, is why I gave it so many points. But, after my first watch in 30+ years, I decided that while it’s definitely entertaining and cute, that’s about all.

     

    7.  The Prestige (10 pts)

    This film (and the next one) were very difficult to rank, because on their faces, they aren’t in the proper category. But, although the “science” of the science fiction is not overt, without it, their plots could not move forward and there would be no story. Case in point: The Prestige, one of my favorite Nolan films, though underrated and underseen. A mystery, a thriller, a period drama, its place in time and the almost steam-punk vibe of its scientific characteristics give it an H.G. Wells quality. The writing, the direction, the production design? Phenomenal. The cast? Aces, all. And big ups for an excellent David Bowie as Tesla.

     

    6.  Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (11 pts)

    The Prestige and ESotSM were two of my favorite movies of the 00s, which is why they rank higher with me than they might with others in this category. If you saw a basic logline for this film, you might think it sounds stupid. But, with Charlie Kaufman’s odd and heartfelt script, director Michel Gondry’s artistic and technical wizardry, and the beautifully understated performances of Carrey, Winslet, & Co, this movie is sublime.

     

    5. Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior (12 pts)

    Post-apocalyptic landscapes have always fascinated me (and this is the standard). Thanks, Cold War!  Seriously, not a lot to write here because it’s just terrific, well-done fun. So great.

     

     

    4. Metropolis (13 pts)

    I’ll be the first to admit that I frequently underestimate old timers when it comes to films, and maybe I still am with this movie. After all, not only did Metropolis damn-near introduce the world to the sci-fi/futurist film genre, but it pioneered a wide-range of movie making techniques that are taught and used today. So beautiful and technically ahead of its time. From a story/narrative perspective, however, it is pretty bananas, and that weakness allows it to climb no higher. Also, I just adore the other movies more.

     

    3. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (14pts)

    Yes, it could be considered slow moving or sappy at times, but damn is it expertly crafted and executed. A slow-burn thriller that keeps its feet in the dirt mound and it’s ambitions beyond the stratosphere, Close Encounters took a very different path than most of the alien invasion films before it and delivered an almost perfect Sci Fi Comes to Earth film. So good.

     

    2. The Terminator (15 pts)

    I’ve seen The Terminator way too many times to be surprised by anything in this movie. So, for my rewatch of this, I had to try extra hard to pretend I’d never seen it before. Sometimes that approach works well, sometimes not. In this case, it wasn’t easy, but it did briefly highlight something I’d long forgotten over the years: that it could be scary as hell. When the future comes to the past and tries to kill you, RUN. And, by all means, have unprotected sex with an unwashed stranger who’s wearing a drifter’s clothes. Seriously, though, this is one of my all-time favorite movies of any genre, so I could never rank it too much lower.

     

    1. Blade Runner (16 pts)

    We can argue about different cuts, versions, editions, etc., but it’s still one of the best damn sci-fi flicks of all time. Its pacing can drag sometimes, but everything else about it is just amazing.

     

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  6. 8 hours ago, Kumerica said:

    Sorry for the delay. Eddie Van Halen died and I was inconsolable, listening to VH music, trying to remember how to play riffs, etc. When I looked up, it was later than I wanted to post.

     

    Science Fiction On Earth

     

    The (Un)Scientific Scoring Methodology:

    1.      As with every other category, while I was busy watching or rewatching some of the films, I enlisted some trusted and reliable movie-loving friends to assist. I asked them each to force rank everything in the category--without consulting the internet or other sources—according to their preferences. Sure enough, the results often differed substantially.

    2.      I took the average of their rankings to help create an initial tier.

    3.      Since they weren’t very helpful previously, I did NOT consult lists from a wide swath of publications this time around.

    4.      I went ahead and created my own ranking based on the following, in no particular order:

    -        My personal enjoyment watching and/or rewatching the movie, as well as my history with it.

    -        Does it belong in this category? 

    -        Weight (i.e. Legacy, influence, timelessness, awards (rarely), average rankings of my friends, etc.)

    In the end, there is such a thing as “best” vs. “favorite,” and as far as these rankings are concerned, in case it was close, my favorites tended to edge out what might be technically/ commercially/critically considered a better film within the genre.

    The movies listed here are all great films in their own rights. But, before you get upset at the point assignments, please remember, whatever you think . . .

     

    I make this look good.

     

    16. Independence Day (1 pt.)

    I remember seeing this for the first time in the theater. As the credits began to roll, my friend turned to me and said, “It was bad, but I liked it.” And that kind of sums it up for me. It was a 90s popcorn-and-Cherry Coke summer blockbuster. Poop, yes, but fun poop.

     

    15. The Fly (2 pts)

    Do You Have Room?

     

    14. Men In Black (3 pts)

    I feel kinda bad for ranking this film so low, I remember enjoying it a lot and it was tremendous fun. But when I rewatch it now, I just don’t enjoy it as much. It could be that it feels too much like a cartoon, or a a kids’ movie . . . I don’t know. More likely is that I’ve simply become jaded by the Will Smith swagger, particularly from this era, apparently.

     

    13. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (4 pts)

    Cold War paranoia at its finest, this movie was a template for many a SciFi horror trope, but not necessarily for the positive. It’s a classic, to be sure, but a classic B-movie that my rewatch only hindered and did not help. Sorry, drafter.

     

    3 hours ago, Kumerica said:

    12. Arrival (5 pts)

    Recency bias may have this a bit lower than some might expect, but it feels right to me. There’s not a lot to complain about—the production design is stand-out fantastic—and the overall plot, alien intentions, narrative style, flash forwards, etc. are all woven together nicely. I really liked this movie, in the theater, as well as a few rewatches, but with each viewing I was constantly left feeling as though it’s a well-executed composite of things I’d already seen, and that I wanted it to be better.

     

    11. Robocop (6 pts)

    1980s Detroit, baby! It’s not a particularly high ranking for this classic, but that could be because it’s dated . . . or because it’s feeling a bit too real now. That said, I still love it, and will always watch it when it’s on, I just can’t rank it higher than the others above it.

     

    10. Ex-Machina (7 pts)

    The conversations we have when Science Fiction steps into Science Fact. The production design on this is stellar, the film is tight overall, and the actors are all aces. It’s quiet and meditative, leaning on its script and the nuances of its actors to carry it through—this is its strength, as well as its weakness in terms of ranking. As much as I liked it, in a scenario similar to Arrival, it didn’t resonate long-term with me as much as the films above it (or even some of those below it). Still, a small but mighty film with vision. The lesson? Be nice to your appliances.

     

    9. Snowpiercer (8 pts)

    My first Bong Joon-ho film, I saw this at the theater and, over the 7 years since, have been insisting to friends that they watch this movie. Liked Okja? Man, you need to see Snowpiercer! Loved Parasite? Yeah, you can see more of his class-based awesomeness in Snowpiercer, which really brought him to the fore! I’ve seen this several times, and although a rewatch in this case wasn’t necessary, I did it anyway. It’s grim, but I love it. I wish I could rank it higher, but there are some classics, surprises, and sentimental choices ahead of it. Still, a worthy contender.

    8. Planet of the Apes (9 pts)

    For me, its reputation exceeds it. It’s a classic, sure—its influence and place in popular culture is forever secured which, frankly, is why I gave it so many points. But, after my first watch in 30+ years, I decided that while it’s definitely entertaining and cute, that’s about all.

     

    7.  The Prestige (10 pts)

    This film (and the next one) were very difficult to rank, because on their faces, they aren’t in the proper category. But, although the “science” of the science fiction is not overt, without it, their plots could not move forward and there would be no story. Case in point: The Prestige, one of my favorite Nolan films, though underrated and underseen. A mystery, a thriller, a period drama, its place in time and the almost steam-punk vibe of its scientific characteristics give it an H.G. Wells quality. The writing, the direction, the production design? Phenomenal. The cast? Aces, all. And big ups for an excellent David Bowie as Tesla.

     

    6.  Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (11 pts)

    The Prestige and ESotSM were two of my favorite movies of the 00s, which is why they rank higher with me than they might with others in this category. If you saw a basic logline for this film, you might think it sounds stupid. But, with Charlie Kaufman’s odd and heartfelt script, director Michel Gondry’s artistic and technical wizardry, and the beautifully understated performances of Carrey, Winslet, & Co, this movie is sublime.

     

    5. Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior (12 pts)

    Post-apocalyptic landscapes have always fascinated me (and this is the standard). Thanks, Cold War!  Seriously, not a lot to write here because it’s just terrific, well-done fun. So great.

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  7. 4 hours ago, Kumerica said:

    Sorry for the delay. Eddie Van Halen died and I was inconsolable, listening to VH music, trying to remember how to play riffs, etc. When I looked up, it was later than I wanted to post.

     

    Science Fiction On Earth

     

    The (Un)Scientific Scoring Methodology:

    1.      As with every other category, while I was busy watching or rewatching some of the films, I enlisted some trusted and reliable movie-loving friends to assist. I asked them each to force rank everything in the category--without consulting the internet or other sources—according to their preferences. Sure enough, the results often differed substantially.

    2.      I took the average of their rankings to help create an initial tier.

    3.      Since they weren’t very helpful previously, I did NOT consult lists from a wide swath of publications this time around.

    4.      I went ahead and created my own ranking based on the following, in no particular order:

    -        My personal enjoyment watching and/or rewatching the movie, as well as my history with it.

    -        Does it belong in this category? 

    -        Weight (i.e. Legacy, influence, timelessness, awards (rarely), average rankings of my friends, etc.)

    In the end, there is such a thing as “best” vs. “favorite,” and as far as these rankings are concerned, in case it was close, my favorites tended to edge out what might be technically/ commercially/critically considered a better film within the genre.

    The movies listed here are all great films in their own rights. But, before you get upset at the point assignments, please remember, whatever you think . . .

     

    I make this look good.

     

    16. Independence Day (1 pt.)

    I remember seeing this for the first time in the theater. As the credits began to roll, my friend turned to me and said, “It was bad, but I liked it.” And that kind of sums it up for me. It was a 90s popcorn-and-Cherry Coke summer blockbuster. Poop, yes, but fun poop.

     

    15. The Fly (2 pts)

    Do You Have Room?

     

    14. Men In Black (3 pts)

    I feel kinda bad for ranking this film so low, I remember enjoying it a lot and it was tremendous fun. But when I rewatch it now, I just don’t enjoy it as much. It could be that it feels too much like a cartoon, or a a kids’ movie . . . I don’t know. More likely is that I’ve simply become jaded by the Will Smith swagger, particularly from this era, apparently.

     

    13. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (4 pts)

    Cold War paranoia at its finest, this movie was a template for many a SciFi horror trope, but not necessarily for the positive. It’s a classic, to be sure, but a classic B-movie that my rewatch only hindered and did not help. Sorry, drafter.

    12. Arrival (5 pts)

    Recency bias may have this a bit lower than some might expect, but it feels right to me. There’s not a lot to complain about—the production design is stand-out fantastic—and the overall plot, alien intentions, narrative style, flash forwards, etc. are all woven together nicely. I really liked this movie, in the theater, as well as a few rewatches, but with each viewing I was constantly left feeling as though it’s a well-executed composite of things I’d already seen, and that I wanted it to be better.

     

    11. Robocop (6 pts)

    1980s Detroit, baby! It’s not a particularly high ranking for this classic, but that could be because it’s dated . . . or because it’s feeling a bit too real now. That said, I still love it, and will always watch it when it’s on, I just can’t rank it higher than the others above it.

     

    10. Ex-Machina (7 pts)

    The conversations we have when Science Fiction steps into Science Fact. The production design on this is stellar, the film is tight overall, and the actors are all aces. It’s quiet and meditative, leaning on its script and the nuances of its actors to carry it through—this is its strength, as well as its weakness in terms of ranking. As much as I liked it, in a scenario similar to Arrival, it didn’t resonate long-term with me as much as the films above it (or even some of those below it). Still, a small but mighty film with vision. The lesson? Be nice to your appliances.

     

    9. Snowpiercer (8 pts)

    My first Bong Joon-ho film, I saw this at the theater and, over the 7 years since, have been insisting to friends that they watch this movie. Liked Okja? Man, you need to see Snowpiercer! Loved Parasite? Yeah, you can see more of his class-based awesomeness in Snowpiercer, which really brought him to the fore! I’ve seen this several times, and although a rewatch in this case wasn’t necessary, I did it anyway. It’s grim, but I love it. I wish I could rank it higher, but there are some classics, surprises, and sentimental choices ahead of it. Still, a worthy contender.

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  8. Just now, Gally said:

    No I have not.  I have no doubt about that.  We picked it as the last choice in the category so I wasn't expecting a whole lot but I still think it is a better sci-fi movie than where it placed.  Also, my comments were full tongue in cheek as well.  I have realized the movie draft is crazily all over the place and impossible to judge.  I am just happy judges went away from critics scores and actually started rating them based on their personal connections...….I think @Kumerica's approach is awesome.  Unfortunately team GallStein and Kumerica don't mesh on the connections of movies...hahahaha

    Don't get me wrong, I loved this movie and practically wore out the VHS back in the day. but, after the rewatch, I couldn't quite rank it highly among these other 15 films. Still, it is great. I'm (sorta) sorry I didn't explain in my write-up, but I just felt like posting the vid, which some old friends made back in the 90s, for entertainment purposes.

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  9. Sorry for the delay. Eddie Van Halen died and I was inconsolable, listening to VH music, trying to remember how to play riffs, etc. When I looked up, it was later than I wanted to post.

     

    Science Fiction On Earth

     

    The (Un)Scientific Scoring Methodology:

    1.      As with every other category, while I was busy watching or rewatching some of the films, I enlisted some trusted and reliable movie-loving friends to assist. I asked them each to force rank everything in the category--without consulting the internet or other sources—according to their preferences. Sure enough, the results often differed substantially.

    2.      I took the average of their rankings to help create an initial tier.

    3.      Since they weren’t very helpful previously, I did NOT consult lists from a wide swath of publications this time around.

    4.      I went ahead and created my own ranking based on the following, in no particular order:

    -        My personal enjoyment watching and/or rewatching the movie, as well as my history with it.

    -        Does it belong in this category? 

    -        Weight (i.e. Legacy, influence, timelessness, awards (rarely), average rankings of my friends, etc.)

    In the end, there is such a thing as “best” vs. “favorite,” and as far as these rankings are concerned, in case it was close, my favorites tended to edge out what might be technically/ commercially/critically considered a better film within the genre.

    The movies listed here are all great films in their own rights. But, before you get upset at the point assignments, please remember, whatever you think . . .

     

    I make this look good.

     

    16. Independence Day (1 pt.)

    I remember seeing this for the first time in the theater. As the credits began to roll, my friend turned to me and said, “It was bad, but I liked it.” And that kind of sums it up for me. It was a 90s popcorn-and-Cherry Coke summer blockbuster. Poop, yes, but fun poop.

     

    15. The Fly (2 pts)

    Do You Have Room?

     

    14. Men In Black (3 pts)

    I feel kinda bad for ranking this film so low, I remember enjoying it a lot and it was tremendous fun. But when I rewatch it now, I just don’t enjoy it as much. It could be that it feels too much like a cartoon, or a a kids’ movie . . . I don’t know. More likely is that I’ve simply become jaded by the Will Smith swagger, particularly from this era, apparently.

     

    13. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (4 pts)

    Cold War paranoia at its finest, this movie was a template for many a SciFi horror trope, but not necessarily for the positive. It’s a classic, to be sure, but a classic B-movie that my rewatch only hindered and did not help. Sorry, drafter.

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  10. 9 hours ago, Gally said:

    I wonder how any of the Pink Panther movies would have ranked.  Team GallStein didn't really consider them but they are favorites of mine.

     

    ETA:  Happy with where our selection of Trading Places landed.  I might have had it up a couple places but maybe not.  I would have it about the same place.

    Re: Pink Panther, I'm not really sure--I haven't seen any of them since I was a kid, maybe high school at the latest. They were always favorites of, say, my older cousins. Might need to throw those in this fall and watch with fresh eyes. 

     

     

  11. 1 minute ago, Don Quixote said:

    I think comedy is pretty subjective, in general. Tough one to rank and I’m sure everyone’s lists would be different.

    Some Like It Hot would have been my #1 with a bullet of the films here.

    Yeah, very subjective. Some Like It Hot (and others) simply rated lower for me because the 8 above it are so embedded into the DNA of my life, experience, and personality that if King Solomon tried judging my Top 8 I’d be hanged for regicide.

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  12. 7 minutes ago, krista4 said:

    @Kumerica, I'm wondering how Raising Arizona, Best In Show, and/or Waiting for Guffman might have rated?  

    ETA:  Great job as always.  I'm curious about these since they're my favorites (along with various Steve Martin movies)

    RA and WfG in the Top 7 or 8 for sure, BiS likely in the Top 12 (higher if WfG was not also selected).

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  13. 30 minutes ago, Kumerica said:

    Comedy

     

    The (Un)Scientific Scoring Methodology:

    1.      As with every other category, while I was busy watching or rewatching some of the films, I enlisted some trusted and reliable movie-loving friends to assist. I asked them each to force rank everything in the category--without consulting the internet or other sources—according to their preferences. Sure enough, the results often differed substantially.

    2.      I took the average of their rankings to help create an initial tier.

    3.      Since they weren’t very helpful previously, I did NOT consult lists from a wide swath of publications this time around.

    4.      I went ahead and created my own ranking based on the following, in no particular order:

    -        My personal enjoyment watching and/or rewatching the movie, as well as my history with it.

    -        Does it belong in this category? They all have a portion that takes place in space, so yeah.

    -        Weight (i.e. Legacy, influence, timelessness, awards (rarely), average rankings of my friends, etc.)

    In the end, there is such a thing as “best” vs. “favorite,” and as far as these rankings are concerned, in case it was close, my favorites tended to edge out what might be technically/ commercially/critically considered a better film within the genre.

    PLEASE NOTE: I've been pressed for time and clearly running out of steam in my write-ups. At this late juncture, I'm not sure if anyone cares.

    The movies listed here are all great comedic films in their own right. But, before you get upset at the point assignments, please remember, whatever you think . . .

    I fart in your general direction!

     

    16. There’s Something About Mary (1 pt.)

    Though I’ll always have a soft spot for this movie, and some of its slapstick is indeed timeless, after sliding in the dvd (I owned it on VHS, too) I realized it hasn’t aged very well. Love the cast, Jonathan Richman, and the film overall, but it’s difficult for me to put above the rest of this list. Sure, it’s great, but not good enough.

    15. It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad World (2 pts)

    Massive and awesome cast, packed with a LOT of hilarious moments, but also some groaners. I first saw this one rainy Sunday when I was stoned to the bejeesus in college, so I forgot how long it is—and it feels overly long too. I hate to say it’s dated—because I’ll be using that quite a bit—but it simply is, and it’s VERY uneven. They threw everything but the kitchen sink into this, but they threw in too much.

     

    14. Spaceballs (3 pts)

    For me, it’s one of Mel Brooks’ weaker films—certainly compared to others listed here—though it’s still more entertaining than roughly 50% of the ACTUAL Star Wars movies. That said, while I grew up on this, time hasn’t really added depth or dimension to the humor; the lines and gags are great, but once you’ve seen it a couple of times, there’s not much else to see. So here it sits. But man, l miss John Candy.

     

    13. Jojo Rabbit (4 pts)

    I love this film, and have probably seen it three or four times since opening weekend at the theater last year. It’s easily one of my favorite films of the last year. But, while it gets top marks in the absurdist comedy or satire category, I’m finding it difficult to rank highly here. For all the laughs of the Nazi Youth camp, Yorki, Capt. Klenzendorf, etc., there is a tremendous amount of sadness and melancholy packed in it. Like some of Taika’s other works, or the films of Wes Anderson, it’s so much more than a comedy, so it’s kinda getting dinged for being too difficult to categorize. I think the filmmaker would be okay with that, though, even if the drafter isn’t.

     

    19 minutes ago, Kumerica said:

    12. Bringing Up Baby (5 pts)

    I don’t feel particularly awesome placing this generational touchstone so low in the ranking, but then, I only saw it for the first time a few weeks ago. It’s a beautifully scripted and acted screwball comedy, and clearly a massive influence over the films that followed. I really enjoyed it as an all-around film, but its comedy, after 80-plus years, didn’t resonate as well with my first-time watch because of all the movies I’ve seen that have taken from it.

     

    11. Fargo (6 pts)

    Similar to a few others, this “dark comedy thriller” is a dark horse in this category. I love it as an all-around film—and it should be among the best films made in the last 30 – 40 years, but it’s much more than a comedy, and I just don’t love it in this category. 

     

     

    10. Life of Brian (7 pts)

    There are people who will suggest this is the funniest of Monty Python’s films. Those people are incorrect, but only slightly. It’s more tightly structured than some of the troupe’s other work, and has some amazing, ridiculous moments, but I can’t rank it higher than what’s coming—as a standalone film, as an example of the Python’s work, Mel Brooks, or some of the other classics.

     

    9. Some Like It Hot (8 pts)

    Hilarious and very edgy—for the 50s—it’s a great film with a great cast and a lot of laughs. Marilyn didn’t get enough credit for her comedic skills. I would have loved to rank this higher, but couldn't, so didn't.

     

    1 minute ago, Kumerica said:

     

    8. The Jerk (9 pts)

    I wish I could rank this higher, but I can’t. So stupid. So awesome. The start of mean comedy? Yay!

     

    7.  Airplane! (10 pts)

    Airplane pretty much created its own sub-genre of comedy film, and we’re all better for it. Further, there are several people who should’ve won Oscars for a specific work, and today I’ll choose Lloyd Bridges for this.

     

    6.  Trading Places (11 pts)

    Totally 80s, and totally awesome. So many great performances throughout, TP brings Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd together at their best. Man, I love this flick.

     

    5. Caddyshack (12 pts)

    An amazing film in which every single line of dialogue is a gag. Easily one of the best ensemble casts ever assembled.

     

    4. Animal House (13 pts)

    I mean, college . . . every movie with aspirations to comedy and college-aged characters has tried to copy and surpass this film for 40 years, and all have failed miserably.

     

    3. Young Frankenstein (14pts)

    I love this film so much. Not only is it hilarious, it’s a beautifully crafted all-around film that makes it clear it belongs in this category, and it means to rule the genre. Terrific.

     

    2. Blazing Saddles (15 pts)

    So much Mel!

    “We don't care if it’s the First Act of Henry the Fifth! We're leaving!” Even Mel Brooks admitted he went too far with this movie, and that's why it's awesome. And Madeline Kahn is a treasure.

     

    1. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (16 pts)

    “That rabbit is dynamite!” In the summer of ’91, a friend gave me his VHS copy of this film, and I watched all or parts of it nearly every day for weeks after. Insanely smart, smartly insane, this is the best of the very best Monty Python, and is my favorite comedic film ever made.

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  14. 28 minutes ago, Kumerica said:

    Comedy

     

    The (Un)Scientific Scoring Methodology:

    1.      As with every other category, while I was busy watching or rewatching some of the films, I enlisted some trusted and reliable movie-loving friends to assist. I asked them each to force rank everything in the category--without consulting the internet or other sources—according to their preferences. Sure enough, the results often differed substantially.

    2.      I took the average of their rankings to help create an initial tier.

    3.      Since they weren’t very helpful previously, I did NOT consult lists from a wide swath of publications this time around.

    4.      I went ahead and created my own ranking based on the following, in no particular order:

    -        My personal enjoyment watching and/or rewatching the movie, as well as my history with it.

    -        Does it belong in this category? They all have a portion that takes place in space, so yeah.

    -        Weight (i.e. Legacy, influence, timelessness, awards (rarely), average rankings of my friends, etc.)

    In the end, there is such a thing as “best” vs. “favorite,” and as far as these rankings are concerned, in case it was close, my favorites tended to edge out what might be technically/ commercially/critically considered a better film within the genre.

    PLEASE NOTE: I've been pressed for time and clearly running out of steam in my write-ups. At this late juncture, I'm not sure if anyone cares.

    The movies listed here are all great comedic films in their own right. But, before you get upset at the point assignments, please remember, whatever you think . . .

    I fart in your general direction!

     

    16. There’s Something About Mary (1 pt.)

    Though I’ll always have a soft spot for this movie, and some of its slapstick is indeed timeless, after sliding in the dvd (I owned it on VHS, too) I realized it hasn’t aged very well. Love the cast, Jonathan Richman, and the film overall, but it’s difficult for me to put above the rest of this list. Sure, it’s great, but not good enough.

    15. It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad World (2 pts)

    Massive and awesome cast, packed with a LOT of hilarious moments, but also some groaners. I first saw this one rainy Sunday when I was stoned to the bejeesus in college, so I forgot how long it is—and it feels overly long too. I hate to say it’s dated—because I’ll be using that quite a bit—but it simply is, and it’s VERY uneven. They threw everything but the kitchen sink into this, but they threw in too much.

     

    14. Spaceballs (3 pts)

    For me, it’s one of Mel Brooks’ weaker films—certainly compared to others listed here—though it’s still more entertaining than roughly 50% of the ACTUAL Star Wars movies. That said, while I grew up on this, time hasn’t really added depth or dimension to the humor; the lines and gags are great, but once you’ve seen it a couple of times, there’s not much else to see. So here it sits. But man, l miss John Candy.

     

    13. Jojo Rabbit (4 pts)

    I love this film, and have probably seen it three or four times since opening weekend at the theater last year. It’s easily one of my favorite films of the last year. But, while it gets top marks in the absurdist comedy or satire category, I’m finding it difficult to rank highly here. For all the laughs of the Nazi Youth camp, Yorki, Capt. Klenzendorf, etc., there is a tremendous amount of sadness and melancholy packed in it. Like some of Taika’s other works, or the films of Wes Anderson, it’s so much more than a comedy, so it’s kinda getting dinged for being too difficult to categorize. I think the filmmaker would be okay with that, though, even if the drafter isn’t.

     

    17 minutes ago, Kumerica said:

    12. Bringing Up Baby (5 pts)

    I don’t feel particularly awesome placing this generational touchstone so low in the ranking, but then, I only saw it for the first time a few weeks ago. It’s a beautifully scripted and acted screwball comedy, and clearly a massive influence over the films that followed. I really enjoyed it as an all-around film, but its comedy, after 80-plus years, didn’t resonate as well with my first-time watch because of all the movies I’ve seen that have taken from it.

     

    11. Fargo (6 pts)

    Similar to a few others, this “dark comedy thriller” is a dark horse in this category. I love it as an all-around film—and it should be among the best films made in the last 30 – 40 years, but it’s much more than a comedy, and I just don’t love it in this category. 

     

     

    10. Life of Brian (7 pts)

    There are people who will suggest this is the funniest of Monty Python’s films. Those people are incorrect, but only slightly. It’s more tightly structured than some of the troupe’s other work, and has some amazing, ridiculous moments, but I can’t rank it higher than what’s coming—as a standalone film, as an example of the Python’s work, Mel Brooks, or some of the other classics.

     

    9. Some Like It Hot (8 pts)

    Hilarious and very edgy—for the 50s—it’s a great film with a great cast and a lot of laughs. Marilyn didn’t get enough credit for her comedic skills. I would have loved to rank this higher, but couldn't, so didn't.

    8. The Jerk (9 pts)

    I wish I could rank this higher, but I can’t. So stupid. So awesome. The start of mean comedy? Yay!

     

    7.  Airplane! (10 pts)

    Airplane pretty much created its own sub-genre of comedy film, and we’re all better for it. Further, there are several people who should’ve won Oscars for a specific work, and today I’ll choose Lloyd Bridges for this.

     

    6.  Trading Places (11 pts)

    Totally 80s, and totally awesome. So many great performances throughout, TP brings Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd together at their best. Man, I love this flick.

     

    5. Caddyshack (12 pts)

    An amazing film in which every single line of dialogue is a gag. Easily one of the best ensemble casts ever assembled.

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  15. 8 minutes ago, Kumerica said:

    Comedy

     

    The (Un)Scientific Scoring Methodology:

    1.      As with every other category, while I was busy watching or rewatching some of the films, I enlisted some trusted and reliable movie-loving friends to assist. I asked them each to force rank everything in the category--without consulting the internet or other sources—according to their preferences. Sure enough, the results often differed substantially.

    2.      I took the average of their rankings to help create an initial tier.

    3.      Since they weren’t very helpful previously, I did NOT consult lists from a wide swath of publications this time around.

    4.      I went ahead and created my own ranking based on the following, in no particular order:

    -        My personal enjoyment watching and/or rewatching the movie, as well as my history with it.

    -        Does it belong in this category? They all have a portion that takes place in space, so yeah.

    -        Weight (i.e. Legacy, influence, timelessness, awards (rarely), average rankings of my friends, etc.)

    In the end, there is such a thing as “best” vs. “favorite,” and as far as these rankings are concerned, in case it was close, my favorites tended to edge out what might be technically/ commercially/critically considered a better film within the genre.

    PLEASE NOTE: I've been pressed for time and clearly running out of steam in my write-ups. At this late juncture, I'm not sure if anyone cares.

    The movies listed here are all great comedic films in their own right. But, before you get upset at the point assignments, please remember, whatever you think . . .

    I fart in your general direction!

     

    16. There’s Something About Mary (1 pt.)

    Though I’ll always have a soft spot for this movie, and some of its slapstick is indeed timeless, after sliding in the dvd (I owned it on VHS, too) I realized it hasn’t aged very well. Love the cast, Jonathan Richman, and the film overall, but it’s difficult for me to put above the rest of this list. Sure, it’s great, but not good enough.

    15. It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad World (2 pts)

    Massive and awesome cast, packed with a LOT of hilarious moments, but also some groaners. I first saw this one rainy Sunday when I was stoned to the bejeesus in college, so I forgot how long it is—and it feels overly long too. I hate to say it’s dated—because I’ll be using that quite a bit—but it simply is, and it’s VERY uneven. They threw everything but the kitchen sink into this, but they threw in too much.

     

    14. Spaceballs (3 pts)

    For me, it’s one of Mel Brooks’ weaker films—certainly compared to others listed here—though it’s still more entertaining than roughly 50% of the ACTUAL Star Wars movies. That said, while I grew up on this, time hasn’t really added depth or dimension to the humor; the lines and gags are great, but once you’ve seen it a couple of times, there’s not much else to see. So here it sits. But man, l miss John Candy.

     

    13. Jojo Rabbit (4 pts)

    I love this film, and have probably seen it three or four times since opening weekend at the theater last year. It’s easily one of my favorite films of the last year. But, while it gets top marks in the absurdist comedy or satire category, I’m finding it difficult to rank highly here. For all the laughs of the Nazi Youth camp, Yorki, Capt. Klenzendorf, etc., there is a tremendous amount of sadness and melancholy packed in it. Like some of Taika’s other works, or the films of Wes Anderson, it’s so much more than a comedy, so it’s kinda getting dinged for being too difficult to categorize. I think the filmmaker would be okay with that, though, even if the drafter isn’t.

    12. Bringing Up Baby (5 pts)

    I don’t feel particularly awesome placing this generational touchstone so low in the ranking, but then, I only saw it for the first time a few weeks ago. It’s a beautifully scripted and acted screwball comedy, and clearly a massive influence over the films that followed. I really enjoyed it as an all-around film, but its comedy, after 80-plus years, didn’t resonate as well with my first-time watch because of all the movies I’ve seen that have taken from it.

     

    11. Fargo (6 pts)

    Similar to a few others, this “dark comedy thriller” is a dark horse in this category. I love it as an all-around film—and it should be among the best films made in the last 30 – 40 years, but it’s much more than a comedy, and I just don’t love it in this category. 

     

     

    10. Life of Brian (7 pts)

    There are people who will suggest this is the funniest of Monty Python’s films. Those people are incorrect, but only slightly. It’s more tightly structured than some of the troupe’s other work, and has some amazing, ridiculous moments, but I can’t rank it higher than what’s coming—as a standalone film, as an example of the Python’s work, Mel Brooks, or some of the other classics.

     

    9. Some Like It Hot (8 pts)

    Hilarious and very edgy—for the 50s—it’s a great film with a great cast and a lot of laughs. Marilyn didn’t get enough credit for her comedic skills. I would have loved to rank this higher, but couldn't, so didn't.

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  16. Comedy

     

    The (Un)Scientific Scoring Methodology:

    1.      As with every other category, while I was busy watching or rewatching some of the films, I enlisted some trusted and reliable movie-loving friends to assist. I asked them each to force rank everything in the category--without consulting the internet or other sources—according to their preferences. Sure enough, the results often differed substantially.

    2.      I took the average of their rankings to help create an initial tier.

    3.      Since they weren’t very helpful previously, I did NOT consult lists from a wide swath of publications this time around.

    4.      I went ahead and created my own ranking based on the following, in no particular order:

    -        My personal enjoyment watching and/or rewatching the movie, as well as my history with it.

    -        Does it belong in this category? They all have a portion that takes place in space, so yeah.

    -        Weight (i.e. Legacy, influence, timelessness, awards (rarely), average rankings of my friends, etc.)

    In the end, there is such a thing as “best” vs. “favorite,” and as far as these rankings are concerned, in case it was close, my favorites tended to edge out what might be technically/ commercially/critically considered a better film within the genre.

    PLEASE NOTE: I've been pressed for time and clearly running out of steam in my write-ups. At this late juncture, I'm not sure if anyone cares.

    The movies listed here are all great comedic films in their own right. But, before you get upset at the point assignments, please remember, whatever you think . . .

    I fart in your general direction!

     

    16. There’s Something About Mary (1 pt.)

    Though I’ll always have a soft spot for this movie, and some of its slapstick is indeed timeless, after sliding in the dvd (I owned it on VHS, too) I realized it hasn’t aged very well. Love the cast, Jonathan Richman, and the film overall, but it’s difficult for me to put above the rest of this list. Sure, it’s great, but not good enough.

    15. It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad World (2 pts)

    Massive and awesome cast, packed with a LOT of hilarious moments, but also some groaners. I first saw this one rainy Sunday when I was stoned to the bejeesus in college, so I forgot how long it is—and it feels overly long too. I hate to say it’s dated—because I’ll be using that quite a bit—but it simply is, and it’s VERY uneven. They threw everything but the kitchen sink into this, but they threw in too much.

     

    14. Spaceballs (3 pts)

    For me, it’s one of Mel Brooks’ weaker films—certainly compared to others listed here—though it’s still more entertaining than roughly 50% of the ACTUAL Star Wars movies. That said, while I grew up on this, time hasn’t really added depth or dimension to the humor; the lines and gags are great, but once you’ve seen it a couple of times, there’s not much else to see. So here it sits. But man, l miss John Candy.

     

    13. Jojo Rabbit (4 pts)

    I love this film, and have probably seen it three or four times since opening weekend at the theater last year. It’s easily one of my favorite films of the last year. But, while it gets top marks in the absurdist comedy or satire category, I’m finding it difficult to rank highly here. For all the laughs of the Nazi Youth camp, Yorki, Capt. Klenzendorf, etc., there is a tremendous amount of sadness and melancholy packed in it. Like some of Taika’s other works, or the films of Wes Anderson, it’s so much more than a comedy, so it’s kinda getting dinged for being too difficult to categorize. I think the filmmaker would be okay with that, though, even if the drafter isn’t.

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  17. 47 minutes ago, Chris B. said:

    I love Christopher Nolan, but Interstellar was not good. The audio was a mess and the last quarter of the movie was goofy bad. And I've already shared my opinion on how 2001 is an overrated bore.

    How does a movie with this judgement get 15 points? Guilt, probably.

    The fact that while I initially had it lower, in the back of my mind I know none of the other films could've been what they were without it, and I couldn't escape that fact. So . . . yeah . . . influence, legacy, and guilt.

  18. 57 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

    @Kumerica - great job on another loaded category.   Thanks! 😎👍

    • very pleasantly surprised at Moon getting double digit points. I was the annoying dude trying to push it on his friends for 2 years after it came out. Horribly underrated and even more under-seen. For what it's going for, it's perfect.
    • do I read that to mean that you were watching the ####ty found footage horror movie at first, not Apollo 11?  :lol: No, I accidentally started watching the Ron Howard Apollo 13 with Hanks. It was a long workday, and I just kinda clicked on that absentmindedly.
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    About the only one that I didn't connect with is Interstellar, and that should be right up my alley.  I need to rewatch it, as I think it's a function of the end of the movie clouding my judgement of what came before it.   Worth another shot--particularly on a large, crisp screen, with excellent sound. On first viewing, I found the ending a bit off-putting, but subsequent viewings made it feel like a beautiful closed loop of space and time.  

     

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