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Ignoratio Elenchi

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  1. 1 hour ago, parasaurolophus said:

    It actually sounds like you guys got a pretty great deal. Both got to work from home. Didn't get laid off, furloughed, or have your small business get closed down. 

    Sure, others have had it much worse. I wouldn’t say anyone has gotten a great deal these last few months. We’ve all had a lot of challenges to deal with. I didn’t even get one of those stimulus checks everyone was talking about a few months ago.  :kicksrock: 

  2. 7 minutes ago, Otis said:

    I don’t really get the deep clean days.  This thing doesn’t sit on desks, does it?  It’s in the air.  Is the deep cleaning making much difference?

    It’s hygiene theater. We’re gonna Lysol all the light switches in the school with a 100 year old ventilation system. 

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  3. 1 minute ago, shadyridr said:

    What a joke. Or maybe perhaps BOTH parents have full time jobs and their child has an IEP that their parents cant possibly support.

    No one said it was easy.  We all got stuck with a ####ty deal.  It is what it is.  I worked full time and homeschooled my two kids because my wife spent all day teaching other people's kids.  Most parents work, we all had to figure it out.  I stand by my statement. 


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  4. 3 minutes ago, The Gator said:

    I do think that effective remote learning is more a function of how seriously the parents take it, than how seriously the teachers take it.


    But, that is probably also true with in-school learning also. 

    This is very true, and it's my contention that the parents who complain that the teachers "didn't do anything" in the spring are outing themselves as the types of parents who didn't take it very seriously at all.  Lots of kids did very well in the spring and lots of kids just disappeared a few weeks in.  There's only so much a teacher can do from afar in the latter cases.  

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  5. 2 minutes ago, shadyridr said:

    Kids, IN GENERAL, aren't going to reach out on their own to the teachers to ask for help.


    You happy?

    No, because I have direct knowledge that that's not true.  Some kids do, some kids don't.  Sounds like your kid is the kind that doesn't.  :shrug: 

    In my anecdotal experience it doesn't seem like it's a supermajority in either direction so I don't think you can generalize either way.  

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  6. 3 minutes ago, shadyridr said:

    :lmao: Why does everybody think when I say something I mean 100%? Its not all or nothing. I am generalizing obviously.

    Because if you didn’t mean 100% it’s not clear what your point is. Some kids do reach out to their teachers. Plenty of 3rd graders did in the spring so 5th graders shouldn’t have an issue with it. As the other poster noted it’s not hard to guess which ones did and which ones didn’t. 

    I’m really not sure how parents think this is going to work without their involvement, especially if their kid isn’t the type to take initiative on their own. 

  7. I'm aware that everyone's had different experiences.  Right off the bat, some people live in crummy towns with bad schools, and I expect their educational experience during quarantine was worse than in my town, just like it's worse in normal years.  Surely some of the debate is colored by those different perspectives.  

    I think not enough credit is given to the fact that teachers (at least here) found out on a Friday night that they'd be transitioning to all-remote learning on Monday morning.  It took weeks just to figure out the basics because this was not something anyone ever planned for.  Given a few months to prep, I'd expect remote learning to be improved in the fall, although from what I've seen I'm afraid we've wasted most of this time figuring out how to deep-clean the doorknobs in the school building so kids can go back, rather than putting all resources into providing the best possible remote education.  In our town, teachers will now have a few weeks to figure out how to teach a hybrid model where some students are in the classroom and some are online for half a day some days, and different kids are in the classroom other days, and it's all online in afternoons and on Wednesdays, etc.  Not quite sure because all the details of the official plan haven't been announced yet despite school starting a month from now.  If people thought full-remote education didn't work in the spring, I have a feeling half-remote education is unfortunately going to be even more of a mess. 

    Anyway, whenever I see comments that teachers "checked out" and didn't do anything during the spring, I have to be honest that I default back to what I said earlier:

    On 7/15/2020 at 12:06 PM, Ignoratio Elenchi said:

    In our district the teachers had a scheduled 30 minute video chat with the entire class each day for discussion, questions, etc.  It's very easy to see, for example, how some parents might mistakenly believe that the teacher was therefore only working 30 minutes a day, oblivious to the hours spent daily on other calls with parents and students who reached out for individual attention, curriculum meetings, lesson planning and creation, grading and feedback, interviews with child protective services, IT support for parents who don't know how computers work, and the myriad other things I've witnessed teachers doing these last few months to somehow transition to full-remote learning with literally zero advance notice.  I've had to work from home through all of this, too, and I took on most of the load of home-schooling our kids because I can mostly do my work on my own schedule as opposed to my wife who had to devote her attention to other people's kids most of the day. 

    Just seems silly for people posting on a fantasy football message board all day to complain that their kids' teachers weren't working hard enough.  

    100% I am sure that there are some teachers in this country who completely ghosted their kids once the pandemic hit.  That's a shame and they should absolutely be held accountable.  I'm also certain that they are a very small minority of teachers.  My opinion (founded on first-hand experience on both sides of the "screen") is that most people complaining that teachers didn't do enough actually have no idea what teachers have been doing.  If your kid's teacher was positing bikini pics in instagram all spring, I agree you should be pissed and wondering what your town is doing wrong.  I just don't personally know anyone here who had that experience.   :shrug: 

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  8. 9 minutes ago, matuski said:

    There are many examples in this world where you can achieve addition by subtraction.

    Again - not my claim, but it isn't too far fetched to imagine a scenario where you could improve in this manner if a good portion of the teachers struggle with the remote format.

    Certainly possible that over the next 10-20 years we transition to a model where technology enables us to provide students with a better education while employing fewer teachers.  

    It is not at all plausible to believe education would be better with fewer teachers four weeks from now. 

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  9. Honestly the plans to reopen schools seem almost entirely based on the hope that coronavirus won't show up there.  It's like the MLB deciding "it's fine, let's just play" and then a week later half the Marlins test positive and games have to get cancelled.  Can't wait for all the #####ing when inevitably a school somewhere in NJ opens as scheduled and ends up closed by the end of September.  Instead of devoting resources to making sure students get the best possible at-home learning experience from day 1 in the fall, we've wasted half the summer figuring out how to spray down desks with disinfectant in the middle of the day and other similar nonsense.  

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  10. 43 minutes ago, shadyridr said:

    These NYC protocols are ridiculous. Why even bother trying to open schools?


    I don't know what people thought would happen, that's why this whole push to half-### reopening schools is dumb.  We know how to stop the spread of coronavirus.  Letting it spread through a school is not how to get it done.  

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  11. Still waiting for our district's plan to roll out, deadline is the end of next week.  It's crazy to me that we've collectively wasted so much time trying to figure out these weird hybrid schedules where the kids go to school for half a day three days a week or whatever, when we could have spent all summer figuring out how to provide the best possible virtual learning for everyone.  This hybrid nonsense is the worst of both worlds, kids and staff will be at higher risk, for a ####tier educational experience, and parents still won't be able to go back to work full time if they're only getting half of the free state daycare.  Who's voting for these options?  Either send the kids all the way back to school or don't, these half-measures feel like a nonsensical "compromise."

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  12. 1 hour ago, shadyridr said:

    Lot harder to postpone nfl game than mlb game.

    I know, that's why I'm wondering what the NFL will do if the virus sweeps through a team and half a roster tests positive on a Friday afternoon.  In MLB there's already a precedent for postponing games (albeit not for this reason), surely the NFL is coming up with some kind of plan to deal with this since it's not as simple to just reschedule.  

  13. I suspect we're still, at a minimum, at least 12 months away from getting anywhere near normal.  Given the current state of things, I don't see how we're not fumbling our way through this all the way through winter and into next spring.  

    Public transit has always been gross.  I've ridden buses and subways to work for years and always thought it was gross.  Anyone who's commuted in NYC has seen the occasional Asian person wearing a mask in the winter.  Always thought it was kind of funny.  Now I suspect that will be the norm for the foreseeable future.  Personally I've always had the flexibility to work from home as needed, and I'm expecting to make that a more permanent thing going forward - I'll wear a mask if I have to get on the subway again but I'd honestly prefer to just avoid it altogether.  So I don't think we ever get back to pre-COVID "normal" here, there will be a big shift towards more remote work now that we've demonstrated it can be done. 

    A lot of restaurants won't make it through the next year or so of reduced business but that's an area I think will eventually return to normal.  You'll probably see some minor changes like hand sanitizer dispensers at the hostess stand or whatever but people will eventually be comfortable with this again.  I know I'm personally looking forward to going out to a nice restaurant at some point in the future, as a sign of our return to normalcy.  

    Schools will eventually get back to normal because a lot of people need the daycare.  That's the reality for a ton of people, we don't have public schools because they want the state to educate their kids, we have public schools because capitalism demands they have somewhere to put their kids for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.  Like restaurants there will probably be some changes around sanitation practices, etc. though I suspect a lot of that will just be theater.  For the most part schools will go back to normal, for better or worse, in fall 2021.  



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  14. 8 hours ago, Walking Boot said:

     All that said, the time to do something like this is early 20s... Either now or never and live the life of regret. It might be hard but she will absolutely learn something and gain from the experience either way. You'll probably be surprised when you see how much she'll grow up in a year. 

    :goodposting: it’s obviously a terrible idea but sometimes we need to learn these lessons ourselves.  

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  15. 4 minutes ago, Capella said:

    Why little lady I've sold medicine to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and by gum their SAEs were less than the placebo too!


    What's it called?


    Once again!


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  16. 2 minutes ago, acarey50 said:

    Agree, but this can easily be satisfied with setting up times for kids to get together and play in smaller groups - there's no need to jump right into full on 30 kids in an enclosed space for 8 hours. Have them meet a the park and play/throw a ball around, ride bikes, if someone has a pool have a few friends over and hang out in the backyard, just no wrestling in the pool. There are way more responsible ways to scratch the social itch.

    This is exactly what we've done.  Bike rides at the park, swimming in the pool, etc.  Our kids get some social interaction with friends just about every day and they're thriving.  I'll be keeping them home from school in the fall and have no worries about their social health.  Making them sit at a desk with plexiglass dividers and a mask on their face 7 hours a day sounds worse for their mental health than doing at-home learning and still seeing their friends.  :shrug: 

  17. Important to know who's conducting the second interview, as that would guide our answers to some of your other questions.

    Where I work we do several interviews.  When I'm hiring I'll do one, then have someone on the team do one, and maybe have someone from an entirely different department conduct an interview just to assess the candidate's fit with company culture, etc. and make sure we're not too myopic about our team makeup.  

    Different shirt and tie is fine, doubt they care about your pants (wouldn't mix khaki pants with a blue suit jacket anyway).  

    You might end up getting a lot of the same questions you got the first time.  Again, depends on who's doing the interview, but for a lot of people interviewing is not high on their list of skills and they'll be pulling from a list of questions prepared by HR or some website called howtointerviewpeople.net or whatever.  Make sure you know about the role and the company, and have a question or two of your own to ask at the end. 



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