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  1. Is this not the reality of social causes? They compete for mind space and resources and both are limited. "Some" people may care passionately about one that affects them deeply and directly...but not other causes that to which they aren't as close. Not sure they should be judged harshly for that.
  2. Denver declaring 8pm curfew next two nights...nat'l guard on call....mayor/police chief speaking publicly from capitol bldg steps...explicit support for protestors and denouncement of agitators. Wouldn't expect any further violence.
  3. Go back and read my other posts...I'm talking about protesting tactics to get the best support vs. ones that just p*ss off the very people you want as allies.
  4. Please refer me to the post where I said it isn't real.
  5. Go ahead. Try and cram down the thought to a law-abiding white blue collar worker that he/she should feel relatively privileged. See if it helps get them to join your cause. Hint: it won't.
  6. Here we go with the messaging again. There are millions and millions of middle/working class white Americans who don't feel privileged one bit.
  7. Happy to but that is a whole separate conversation. And like you I articulated those reasons ad nauseum while it was going on. Abstract it out and the protestors are selling a product...that product being their message and cause...if some people are buying one version of it and not the other it's for them to figure out why and make the requisite adjustments...not to cram the unwanted version down their throats.
  8. Yes. It is absolutely true. Read what I said more carefully. It's not the "what" that was being protested it's the "how." The timing and form Kaepernick's tactics (that @rockaction articulated very well in his post) offended just as many if not more people than he gained sympathy from. It's not for you and the protesters tell potential sympathizers and allies why they are offended by one protest and completely supportive of other forms. If protestors want support, they should be the ones adapting their tactics accordingly.
  9. Thanks. I don't need to go through my posting history. To me and many other veterans Kaepernick's actions were highly offensive. These protests are targeted at a specific, unacceptable behavior that directly involve the two parties involved in the grievance. Sorry if you don't get that.
  10. Leaders emerge in times of crisis...this woman has got the goods. What I see happening on the streets of Atlanta is not Atlanta. This is not a protest. This is not in the spirit of Martin Luther King, Jr. This is chaos," an impassioned Lance Bottoms said at a news conference. "A protest has purpose. When Dr. King was assassinated, we didn't do this to our city," she said. "If you want change in America, go and register to vote. ... That is the change we need in this country." "There was a black reporter who was arrested on camera this morning, who works for CNN. They are telling our stories, and you are disgracing their building," she said. "We are no longer talking about the murder of an innocent man. We're talking about how you're burning police cars on the streets of Atlanta, Georgia." https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/30/keisha-lance-bottoms-full-address-atlanta-protests-vpx.wgcl https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/atlanta-mayor-to-vandalizing-protesters-this-is-not-a-protest-this-is-chaos/ar-BB14MW7x?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout
  11. I guess since you can't address the topic of who has more actual influence (Trump vs. the local officials) just quote a relatively trivial part of the post to create a sideshow.
  12. Typical. Everyone gets a ribbon for trying. The only thing that matters are results. And the sad fact is the two people with the most responsibility in either preventing or de-escalating the over-arching situation (mayor, police chief) have failed epically when it comes to results.
  13. Not nearly as influential as whether the community organizer Democratic mayor and African American police chief can get their city under control.
  14. Identity politics at its finest
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