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  1. Is this not the reality of social causes? They compete for mind space and resources and both are limited. "Some" people may care passionately about one that affects them deeply and directly...but not other causes that to which they aren't as close. Not sure they should be judged harshly for that.
  2. Denver declaring 8pm curfew next two nights...nat'l guard on call....mayor/police chief speaking publicly from capitol bldg steps...explicit support for protestors and denouncement of agitators. Wouldn't expect any further violence.
  3. Go back and read my other posts...I'm talking about protesting tactics to get the best support vs. ones that just p*ss off the very people you want as allies.
  4. Please refer me to the post where I said it isn't real.
  5. Go ahead. Try and cram down the thought to a law-abiding white blue collar worker that he/she should feel relatively privileged. See if it helps get them to join your cause. Hint: it won't.
  6. Here we go with the messaging again. There are millions and millions of middle/working class white Americans who don't feel privileged one bit.
  7. Happy to but that is a whole separate conversation. And like you I articulated those reasons ad nauseum while it was going on. Abstract it out and the protestors are selling a product...that product being their message and cause...if some people are buying one version of it and not the other it's for them to figure out why and make the requisite adjustments...not to cram the unwanted version down their throats.
  8. Yes. It is absolutely true. Read what I said more carefully. It's not the "what" that was being protested it's the "how." The timing and form Kaepernick's tactics (that @rockaction articulated very well in his post) offended just as many if not more people than he gained sympathy from. It's not for you and the protesters tell potential sympathizers and allies why they are offended by one protest and completely supportive of other forms. If protestors want support, they should be the ones adapting their tactics accordingly.
  9. Thanks. I don't need to go through my posting history. To me and many other veterans Kaepernick's actions were highly offensive. These protests are targeted at a specific, unacceptable behavior that directly involve the two parties involved in the grievance. Sorry if you don't get that.
  10. Leaders emerge in times of crisis...this woman has got the goods. What I see happening on the streets of Atlanta is not Atlanta. This is not a protest. This is not in the spirit of Martin Luther King, Jr. This is chaos," an impassioned Lance Bottoms said at a news conference. "A protest has purpose. When Dr. King was assassinated, we didn't do this to our city," she said. "If you want change in America, go and register to vote. ... That is the change we need in this country." "There was a black reporter who was arrested on camera this morning, who works for CNN. They are telling our stories, and you are disgracing their building," she said. "We are no longer talking about the murder of an innocent man. We're talking about how you're burning police cars on the streets of Atlanta, Georgia." https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/30/keisha-lance-bottoms-full-address-atlanta-protests-vpx.wgcl https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/atlanta-mayor-to-vandalizing-protesters-this-is-not-a-protest-this-is-chaos/ar-BB14MW7x?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout
  11. I guess since you can't address the topic of who has more actual influence (Trump vs. the local officials) just quote a relatively trivial part of the post to create a sideshow.
  12. Typical. Everyone gets a ribbon for trying. The only thing that matters are results. And the sad fact is the two people with the most responsibility in either preventing or de-escalating the over-arching situation (mayor, police chief) have failed epically when it comes to results.
  13. Not nearly as influential as whether the community organizer Democratic mayor and African American police chief can get their city under control.
  14. Identity politics at its finest
  15. Democrats had 29 candidates in the presidential primary...how wide of a look do you need? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
  16. Give me a freaking break. The dude was bashing Trump and his supporters and calling them stupid. That's the type of thinking that has to stop. All my post did was call out his hypocrisy.
  17. So you hate Trump and his supporters but have no problem making money in a pandemic. Got it.
  18. It's the controversial outliers and vocal minority that gets the national media coverage. Not reflective of what generally goes on at the state and local level. Whatever. Carry on.
  19. IMO the number of "people flouting the guidelines" at this point is a minority that can be managed through enforcement of egregious violations. This is a problem on both sides of the political aisle (e.g. right-wing fanatics in Lansing, MI and Bernie-supporting millenials swimming the creek in Boulder, CO). Again, if you continue to maximize solely along the health crisis dimension, you risk creating two additional crises that may in the long run be even worse...economic and constitutional freedoms. IMO the hype about "rights" is primarily media fodder to fuel the political divisiveness and controversy in this country. Not reflective of the general populus.
  20. Lol. Thanks. Clearly I was in the rocket science division...
  21. I believe in those things and somehow lasted not just one but 1,460 days in the military. Huge difference between freely choosing to be part of a structured top-down work environment...and being a civilian born into a country whose daily freedoms are protected by the institutions you mentioned. You're out of your league with this analogy. Try another one.
  22. Depends on the strength of the balance sheet whether they go under...it's the fixed costs that need mainly to be covered...many can still make it through to the other side even with reduced revenue with the right crisis management measures. But with complete shut down the fixed costs are going to wipe out the majority, no question.
  23. You yourself said the issue is not black and white. It's not a question of maximizing safety but optimizing the tradeoff among safety, individual freedoms and economic consequences. At this point most business owners and consumers know as much as the government exactly how the disease is spread, what the consequences are, and what preventative measure work and don't work. If everyone acted perfectly in accord with the guidelines, we'd be fine opening most non-large crowd activities. The problem is with people flouting the guidelines, not with re-opening itself.
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