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  1. Sounds like Chase is saying Tony's alive which was the conclusion I reached watching the episode. I've seen the ending a few other times since then and while I'm not as disappointed now as I was when I first watched it I still come to the same conclusion -

    Tony's alive.

    :rolleyes:

    The only thing Chase 'said' was that he thought it was disgusting that fans wanted to see Tony's blood on film.

    In no way did Chase ever allude to the fact that Tony is alive.

    That's not true at all. He's clearly indicating that Tony's alive. I never thought he got assasinated anyway, it wouldn't have made any sense. The mob war was over.

    Breaking his silence months after the HBO mob drama ended its run, he is offering a belated explanation for that blackout at the restaurant. He strongly suggests that, no, Tony Soprano didn't get whacked moments later as he munched onion rings with his family at Holsten's.

    Chase insists that what you saw (and didn't see) is what you get.

    "There are no esoteric clues in there. No `Da Vinci Code,'" he declares.

    He defends the bleak, seemingly inconclusive ending as appropriate -- and even a little hopeful.

    Which means the jaded Sopranos fans were right - the ending really was the Sopranos family munching on greasy onion rings after we learn the oldest child can't park worth a lick!
  2. Anyone else bitter that they wasted so much time with the ridiculous dream sequence episodes? I absolutely hated those.

    I loved them. :confused:
    Me too, especially the Kevin Finnerty ones.
    Agree with Nigel here. The Finnerty one was horrible but none compared to the steaming pile of crap that was the next-to-last episode of Season 5 (where Tony has a bunch of random dreams including losing his teeth during dinner with Annette Bening and nearly banging Carmine Sr.)I'd sooner put up with another melodramatic Melfi session than deal with that "look deeper into the meaning" nonsense.
  3. http://drawergeek.blogspot.com/2007/06/sop...y-happened.html

    Found this on a message board. If this is all true, I think people who hated that finale might do a 180. Wow.

    "OK, at first I was really angry. I mean really, really angry. I can't believe though that no-one has posted by now what happened. The only thing I saw that was right, was that in the last scene we are seeing through Tony's eyes. Remember in the first season when Tony was speaking with Bobby...basically saying that you don't see your death happening?

    So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.

    So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the black guys at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?).

    Absolutely incredible!!!! There were three people in the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase's way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on forever despite that he would like it to "don't stop". Not the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye, so does he. No more Tony and I guess we are supposed to be happy that Meadow didn't get clipped as well (she would have been between the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that family.

    Thank you David Chase for making it so obscure that I feel bad for hating you at first. Absolutely amazing!!!!"

    ALSO:

    "I feel much better about this finale after watching it a second time. In the split second before the screen goes blank you can see panic rushing over Tony's face and he also seems to be reaching under the table for something."

    wow. my post below yours now looks very stupid.
    If those folks are indeed the people from past episodes, that would make the whole thing a lot better.
    imdb doesn't have the complete cast list of each season/episode that I can find.
    You have millions of viewers, many of them casual viewers who enjoy the basic concept of a mafia boss trying to lead two separate "families."

    Why would you create an ending that caters to only the select hardcore fans that follow everything down to the tiniest detail?

  4. ;) What a bunch of wimps. The outrage!!!It was fine. Better than I thought it would be.

    Sometimes I wonder what show people have watched for 86 episodes. Expecting a huge, ridiculous Scarface shootout? CHECKWondering why they're focused on his family? CHECKComplaining about Tony's therapy? CHECKUnsatisfied and complaining about no resolution? CHECKIt's been this way throughout. Either some of you people are extremely hard-headed, just don't get it, just don't care or are in denial about what the show is about. Unbelievable.
    Good posting.I'd like to thank these people for watching though. Because of them The Sopranos was able to reach 86.
    Nobody's watching Big Love, yet that's coming back for another season. :lmao:
  5. Loved the ending. If nothing else, it will be memorable. I sat there staring at the screen with my mouth open for about 30 seconds of credits, then said, "I can't believe they just ####### did that."By the way...boring? Phil got his ####### HEAD run over.

    Elizabeth Berkley made out with Gina Gershon for three seconds in the closing moments of "Showgirls."That doesn't mean it's not one of the worst movies ever made.
  6. All you guys looking for blood and guts need to watch a different show. This show has always been about Tony and how everything around him effects his family.

    What about those of us who have always understood that and still didn't care much for the ending?
    if you didn't like the ending that's fine....but to all those who didn't think there was closure....there was.
    I disagree. There was no closure whatsoever. The series didn't end; it just went on and on and on.Yea I get it. Like I said before, it's been done. The "it's not really an ending" ending. I just don't see the creativity or originality in that.
    So you only would have liked one of the following options:a) Tony deadb) Tony in jailc) Tony in witness protection?Maybe I'm not 100% right here, but the "apologists" have provided some damn good explanation on why it was "really an ending"
    No they haven't.
    :blackdot:
  7. A cool ending would have Tony getting popped but not by NY but by Adriana's mom.

    Eh. 24 did that in Season 3 (Stephen Saunders, the lead villian, gets killed by the wife of one of Saunders' victims.) Believe me, it's not all it's cracked up to be.Now the brusing guy that was Tony's original bodyguard? That would have been something.
  8. Now it's very clear that The Sopranos isn't over.

    you say that like it's a bad thing
    yes, I do. When I expected an ending.
    You got an ending. Phil's dead.

    WTF is wrong with you people? Are we watching the same show?

    I don't care about the NY family. I wanted a resolution to The Sopranos

    I didn't get it.

    Can the show do no wrong with you?

    You got a resolution. His family is safe. Why would it be more of a resolution if everybody died? Makes no sense. How many times has a season ended with Tony and his family? 1, 2, 3, 6 and now 7.

    And yes, I thought the middle 15 minutes was boring. The last 20 minutes ruled though.

    :goodposting:

    It's very clear IMO.

    All you guys looking for blood and guts need to watch a different show. This show has always been about Tony and how everything around him effects his family.

    will all the apologists get it straight. Not everyone needed blood and guts. Even a "rat" storyline would have sufficed.

    Something!

    Bars slamming in his face. End scene. Would have been good enough.

    This was a cheap copout of the highest offer. Can't believe how many apologists are in this thread.

    Can anybody please tell me how this high society family with the fancy cars, big houses, disposable income, and the taste for the finer things in life is suddenly eating at some dive diner sharing onion rings?!?

  9. When was the last time a show's last episode was any good?

    Seinfeld was actually brilliant in its own way. Same with Roseanne. People still rave about the end of Newhart to this day (even though it was a boring POS.) NYPD Blue had a satisfying ending. St. Elsewhere is one of the most talked about finales in TV history.And that's just off the top of my head. No excuse for Chase's latest BS.
  10. Re: Whether or not the Ukranian girl was Phil's goomar:

    Couldn't a Sopranos historian (likely RaiderNation) pull up the episode where Tony had Phil's restaurant blown up? (I think the finale of the first part of this season.) He opens the door for an attractive blonde girl, walks her out of the car, and then both are thrown backwards by the explosion.

    I could be thinking in too simple terms for an answer to a Sopranos question though! :rolleyes:

  11. Was out of town yesterday so I caught this episode on On Demand last night. Fantastic stuff. I have no problem calling Season 6B the best so far. I know so many have much love for Seasons 1 & 2, but I've found every episode captivating this season, including the much criticized "Monopoly by the Shore" opener.Everything was going so smoothly through the first set of episodes too and then David Chase reverted to his old crutch: A character graphically vomiting on screen. Why? Is it really necessary? Don't give me the standard line of crap how "it shows how Tony can't keep his evil inside him no matter how hard he tries" or other excuses. Chase obviously has some sort of vomit fetish or feels he needs to use the vomit to be shocking.Beyond that little quirk, nothing but high praise for just about everything that's gone on this season. At least Chase has (so far) refrained from the pretentious and boring dream sequences.

    you ever take peyote?? you always puke, always
    He seems obsessed with having at least one, visible vomit scene on camera each season and it's unnecessary.
    Why do you consider it unnecessary?
    Besides it being disgusting and possible distracting from the storyline? Chase is brilliant enough to imply a character is vomiting without being graphic. If he did it once in a while (like the finale of Season 2), I could understand. But he feels it's necessary to do it all the time (mostly through Tony) and he could make the point just as strong with sound effects or others' reactions.I'll throw the question back at you: Why do you feel it IS necessary?
  12. Was out of town yesterday so I caught this episode on On Demand last night. Fantastic stuff. I have no problem calling Season 6B the best so far. I know so many have much love for Seasons 1 & 2, but I've found every episode captivating this season, including the much criticized "Monopoly by the Shore" opener.Everything was going so smoothly through the first set of episodes too and then David Chase reverted to his old crutch: A character graphically vomiting on screen. Why? Is it really necessary? Don't give me the standard line of crap how "it shows how Tony can't keep his evil inside him no matter how hard he tries" or other excuses. Chase obviously has some sort of vomit fetish or feels he needs to use the vomit to be shocking.Beyond that little quirk, nothing but high praise for just about everything that's gone on this season. At least Chase has (so far) refrained from the pretentious and boring dream sequences.

    you ever take peyote?? you always puke, always
    I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be an element of realism. But there's no reason to have the act of vomiting clearly displayed. You can do it off-camera, showing Tony from the back while he retches into the toilet, etc. He seems obsessed with having at least one, visible vomit scene on camera each season and it's unnecessary.
  13. Was out of town yesterday so I caught this episode on On Demand last night. Fantastic stuff. I have no problem calling Season 6B the best so far. I know so many have much love for Seasons 1 & 2, but I've found every episode captivating this season, including the much criticized "Monopoly by the Shore" opener.

    Everything was going so smoothly through the first set of episodes too and then David Chase reverted to his old crutch: A character graphically vomiting on screen. Why? Is it really necessary? Don't give me the standard line of crap how "it shows how Tony can't keep his evil inside him no matter how hard he tries" or other excuses. Chase obviously has some sort of vomit fetish or feels he needs to use the vomit to be shocking.

    Beyond that little quirk, nothing but high praise for just about everything that's gone on this season. At least Chase has (so far) refrained from the pretentious and boring dream sequences.

  14. Wow, did opie and anthony really have a 0.0 rating in Dallas and Vegas?

    Not sure on the Dallas numbers but 0.0 is obviously false.
    Why obviously false?
    A 0.0 means you have absolutely no listeners. They had a following in Texas (however small it was) and as I said, airing in Dallas helped Norton sell out his comedy shows.Plus, since Sabean screwed up the Chicago numbers (which even Howard admitted) and the Vegas numbers were proven to be a blatant lie, it's kind of hard to believe anything he says about his competition at this point.
  15. Wow, did opie and anthony really have a 0.0 rating in Dallas and Vegas?

    Nope. More Hoo Hoo lies. Originally, Stern's lackey Tim Sabean said it was Chicago but he was wrong. He also said ratings were flat across the board but that was a lie because they are doing well in several markets including NYC and Buffalo. The Vegas numbers were proven false by Vegas station management (they did have close to a 0.0 when they originally took over for Rover.) Not sure on the Dallas numbers but 0.0 is obviously false. I'm sure it was real low but not non-existent. Jim Norton's Texas comedy shows sold out there and it's only because of the presence of the show.Amazing that Stern just can't admit that others succeed in radio. He's got a billion dollar deal and has satellite's most powerful executive in his back pocket. Unless he's willing to take O&A to task like he did back when he had balls, he should STF up and keep his hole in line.
  16. What would be a very weak "Seinfeld-like weak" ending for the show?

    I used to think the Seinfeld finale was weak. But the more you watch it, the more you realize what a clever, appropriate way it was to end the show. Just a shame no amount of money was going to convince Jerry to agree to "Seinfeld: Life After the Big House"
  17. Bobby's a made guy, yet he had never kilt anyone before?

    How's that work. :devil: I thought a whacking was Condition #1 on being made.

    I think being a top earner trumps that. Remember: Bobby is also the only member of the family without a gumar. He gets the job done, cracks a few skulls, but doesn't get in the position where he has to take someone out (until yesterday.)

    Speaking of which, that was something else I enjoyed about last night. The foreshadowing on the boat with Tony reminiscing about Bobby's dad (the killer) and how Bobby never wanted to take that route.

  18. So instead of puking, we get to see some guy crapping on the holding cell toilet? Nice. Did anybody else catch this? :yes:

    :coffee: The fact that David Chase didn't rely on puking or another self-important dream sequence made it a solid episode for me.I thoroughly enjoyed it despite the slow the start. So much subtle comedy (Christopher's cameo, the house stuck to the face, Tony's singing) and a fight where Tony finally gets his butt kicked (c'mon FBG, you filter every different way of saying the PG-rated version of the word?!?)...yet can't bring himself to admit it.Like I've said before, I don't need graphic violence, explicit sex (although it's always nice), or toilet humor to enjoy the show. Just give me an intriguing storyline, interesting dialogue, and characters I care about, and you're on the right track to ending the season the right way!
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