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Scotland had three nice scoring chances and other than the header by Stones I don't recall another one from England.  Deserved draw for Scotland.  

England are so consistently less than the sum of their parts, and robotic.  It's like watching 10 James Milners most of the time.  I'd give Graelish more minutes and have the team find him with the ball.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Scotland had three nice scoring chances and other than the header by Stones I don't recall another one from England.  Deserved draw for Scotland.  

England are so consistently less than the sum of their parts, and robotic.  It's like watching 10 James Milners most of the time.  I'd give Graelish more minutes and have the team find him with the ball.
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There's much more knowledgeable folks in here than me but in addition to always playing scared, there's no cohesion because they don't have a style of play that the players expect and/or are used to.  Sterling and Foden are running at guys and making runs and James, Rice and Shaw are making safe passes and not running in to space made for them.  But that's not how their club teams play.  Also, I don't think English players play for the shirt the way many other countries do.  This may not be fair to say but I don't think there's a national sense of pride in English players the same way there is for most of these sides.  Watching England is like watching an All-Star team.

 
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AAABatteries said:
Most Americans I talk to seem to want the English to lose  :shrug:
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Maybe it's just me, but it seems that EVERY major tournament (& qualifiers), the English-speaking talking heads & "pundits" put England amongst the top few teams, when their track record is so poor.

The only thing they ever  "Bring Home" is their dejected squad on the first plane back to England.

C'mon guys, you know I have absolutely no bias or bitterness when it comes to The Three crying Lions...

...where's @Sebowski when I need him...

 
Kafka said:
Maybe it's just me, but it seems that EVERY major tournament (& qualifiers), the English-speaking talking heads & "pundits" put England amongst the top few teams, when their track record is so poor.

The only thing they ever  "Bring Home" is their dejected squad on the first plane back to England.

C'mon guys, you know I have absolutely no bias or bitterness when it comes to The Three crying Lions...

...where's @Sebowski when I need him...
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Oh - I don’t listen to those folks about anything but definitely not about soccer.  Generic American sports journalists are typically not too great with their soccer knowledge.  

 
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England were scared to lose that match - embarrassing.
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I think England is incredible overrated in this honestly. Scotland is my 3rd team next to Italy and US but if England can't beat Scotland in a major tournament and draw and not score 1 goal then you cannot call yourself a great team. English tabloids tomorrow should be fun to to read and see the mass hysteria. Especially after how they all reacted after the first match. England was lucky it didn't lose. I saw most of the 2nd half missed the first and most of the chances seemed to be for Scotland besides the end there. 

 
DJackson10 said:
I think England is incredible overrated in this honestly. Scotland is my 3rd team next to Italy and US but if England can't beat Scotland in a major tournament and draw and not score 1 goal then you cannot call yourself a great team. English tabloids tomorrow should be fun to to read and see the mass hysteria. Especially after how they all reacted after the first match. England was lucky it didn't lose. I saw most of the 2nd half missed the first and most of the chances seemed to be for Scotland besides the end there. 
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Not really - Stones missed a sitter hitting the post and they had a couple other decent chances.  Draw was a fair result

 
People are completely overreacting.  England is still extremely likely to go through.  Germany drew Ghana in the second group stage game in 2014.  Portugal was terrible in the group stage in 2016, and to be fair, pretty much the entire tournament.  Spain lost to Switzerland in the first game of the 2010 World Cup.  

Italy looks great right now, but the team that looks best in the first week rarely wins major tournaments.  Just too much luck and variance involved in the knockout rounds.  And considering the England probably doesn't want anyone out of the Group of Death in the knockouts, this result is hardly catastrophic.  

 
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People are completely overreacting.  England is still extremely likely to go through.  Germany drew Ghana in the second group stage game in 2014.  Portugal was terrible in the group stage in 2016, and to be fair, pretty much the entire tournament.  Spain lost to Switzerland in the first game of the 2010 World Cup.  

Italy looks great right now, but the team that looks best in the first week rarely wins major tournaments.  Just too much luck and variance involved in the knockout rounds.  And considering the England probably doesn't want anyone out of the Group of Death in the knockouts, this result is hardly catastrophic.  
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England are very lethargic and not showing any signs of being able to pull it together when the knockout rounds start. 
 

Defensively sound though - so that keeps them in games. 
 

 
Euro 2020/Copa America Goals By Club

Inter Milan (ITA) - 4

Juventus (ITA) - 4

Bayer Leverkusen (GER) - 3

Borussia Dortmund (GER) - 3

Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - 3

Borussia Monchengladbach (GER) - 2

Flemengo (BRA) - 2

Gent (BEL) - 2

Lazio (ITA) - 2

PSV Eindhoven (NED) - 2

RB Leipzig (GER) - 2

San Lorenzo (ARG) - 2

Sassuolo (ITA) - 2

West Ham United (ENG) - 2

Al-Taawoun (KSA) - 1

Atalanta (ITA) - 1

Atletico Miniero (BRA) - 1

Augsburg (GER) - 1

Barcelona (ESP) - 1

Blackburn Rovers (ENG2) - 1

Boca Juniors (ARG) - 1

Bolivar (BOL) - 1

Cardiff City (WAL) - 1

Everton (ENG) - 1

Genoa (ITA) - 1

Leeds United (ENG) - 1

Liverpool (ENG) - 1

Lyon (FRA)  -1

Manchester City (ENG) - 1

Napoli (ITA) - 1

Real Betis (ESP) - 1

Shanghai Port (CHN) - 1

Swansea City (WAL) - 1

Torino (ITA) - 1

Union Berlin (GER) - 1

Wolfsburg (GER) - 1

(OG) Juventus (ITA) - 2

(OG) Borussia Dortmund - 1

Euro 2020/Copa America Goals By League

Serie A (ITA) - 16

Bundesliga (GER) -13

Premier League (ENG) - 6

Ligue 1 (FRA) - 4

Argentine Primera Division (ARG) - 3

Brasileirão (BRA) - 3

English Championship (ENG2/WAL) - 3

Belgian First Division A (BEL) - 2

Eredivisie (NED) - 2

La Liga (ESP) - 2

Bolivian Primera Division (BOL) - 1

Chinese Super League (CHN) - 1

Saudi Professional League (KSA) - 1

(OG) Serie A (ITA) - 2

(OG) Bundesliga (GER) - 1

 
England...sterling and foden  running at defenders, everybody else waiting for something. They needed to play the ball quicker and get some width. I was shocked to see Kane subbed out...shocked, because I didnt know he was even on the field to begin with.

Thought Graelish and Mount got them clicking through the gears better.

This team needs some Lindgard.

 
What’s the rankings for the national anthems - France’s is just outstanding and iconic.  Italy’s is cool.  Germany - solid.  God Save the Queen is a little meh.

I go France*
 

*admittedly I’m not we’ll versed here, especially with some of these smaller countries 

 
I vote France anthem too.

P.S. Of course Parvard started after being knocked out last game and being listed as doubtful all week.  :rolleyes:

 
Just a comedy of errors for France there. Awful by Pavard to let him run past untouched. Varane afraid to even try a tackle. Lloris beat near post.

Now Hungary will bunker even more.

 
I find it fascinating how a team with such a vast talent discrepancy can pull off something like this, even if it doesn't end this way.

And how does a team as loaded as France not put anything into the back of the net up until now?

 
Sinn Fein said:
Dembele has not been very good since coming on.
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He's playing a lot deeper than he is best at. Have got to think they would prefer Coman for that role if he was in the squad. Ronaldo is going to feast on the LW with how France looks. They need to figure out how to go three in the back before that game.

 
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