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​ 🏛️ ​Official Supreme Court nomination thread - Amy Coney Barrett (2 Viewers)

squistion said:
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 1m1 minute ago

Avenatti is a third rate lawyer who is good at making false accusations, like he did on me and like he is now doing on Judge Brett Kavanaugh. He is just looking for attention and doesn’t want people to look at his past record and relationships - a total low-life!
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Michael Avenatti‏ @MichaelAvenatti 6m6 minutes ago

“False accusations?” Like those crimes your fixer Cohen pled to? You are an habitual liar and complete narcissist who also is a disgrace as a president and an embarrassment to our nation. You are so inept that your “best and brightest” are Cohen and Giuliani. Let’s go.

 
timschochet said:
I believe you. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But if it's a smear job, why didn't Gorsuch get all of these accusations? And why are these women willing to face perjury and death threats? As well as their lives never being the same? Just to stop Kavanaugh? Come on, you should know better than this.

Pull him and move on to the next guy. One without the baggage. 
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Just a guess but conservative replacing a conservative versus conservative replacing a swing.  That being said, I don’t believe it is a smear job.  Just pointing out the difference.

 
With regard to this latest accusation- even if Kavanaugh's name is pulled, it still has to be investigated, right? How can he continue to serve on the court that he's currently on?

 
squistion said:
Michael Avenatti‏ @MichaelAvenatti 6m6 minutes ago

“False accusations?” Like those crimes your fixer Cohen pled to? You are an habitual liar and complete narcissist who also is a disgrace as a president and an embarrassment to our nation. You are so inept that your “best and brightest” are Cohen and Giuliani. Let’s go.
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I don't like Avenatti at all, but I have to admit there's some value to him being the banana in Trump's tailpipe.

 
squistion said:
Michael Avenatti‏ @MichaelAvenatti 6m6 minutes ago

“False accusations?” Like those crimes your fixer Cohen pled to? You are an habitual liar and complete narcissist who also is a disgrace as a president and an embarrassment to our nation. You are so inept that your “best and brightest” are Cohen and Giuliani. Let’s go.
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"Lightbulb!"

/Vince Mcmahon

 
unckeyherb said:
Just a guess but conservative replacing a conservative versus conservative replacing a swing.  That being said, I don’t believe it is a smear job.  Just pointing out the difference.
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The implication of your argument, if I understand you correctly, is that if Brett Kavanaugh had been Trump's selection in 2017 to replace Antonin Scalia, none of these women would have appeared. That seems exceedingly unlikely to me.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Tim - I just want a conservative on the Supreme Court, I have no vested interest in Kavanaugh.  It absolutely stinks like a smear job.
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I too want a conservative on the Supreme Court. I think Feinstein should have went to Grassley back in July and say I’ve got this about a women who wishes to remain anonymous and I will not be brining it up at the hearing. I do not believe the Democrats organized the other accusers and a smear campaign, however.

 
Avenatti - “Here is a picture of my client Julie Swetnick. She is courageous, brave and honest. We ask that her privacy and that of her family be respected.”

Yes, right.  :lol:

 
This is disappointing. I naively thought Lindsey was a decent person.

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“If Republicans bail out on this good man because of the smears and character assassination perpetrated by Michael Avenatti, we deserve our fate.” -- Lindsey Graham

 
Question- after he is confirmed if more evidence comes to light and it can be proven is he above the law or can legal action be taken against him?

 
whoknew said:
This is disappointing. I naively thought Lindsey was a decent person.

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“If Republicans bail out on this good man because of the smears and character assassination perpetrated by Michael Avenatti, we deserve our fate.” -- Lindsey Graham
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SO can't wait to vote his ### out.

 
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GoBirds said:
Question- after he is confirmed if more evidence comes to light and it can be proven is he above the law or can legal action be taken against him?
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I know of no reason action cannot be taken against him - however, I believe removal from the bench would require impeachment.

 
GoBirds said:
Question- after he is confirmed if more evidence comes to light and it can be proven is he above the law or can legal action be taken against him?
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Two answers:

1. First off he can be impeached. This would be extremely difficult as I believe it's been well over 100 years since a judge was removed. But it can be done. As with the President, you need a majority vote in the House for impeachment, then 2/3rds vote in the Senate for removal.

2. As a sitting Supreme Court Justice, can he be indicted for a crime? This question, like the one for the President, has never actually come up. It would end up I suspect being decided by the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh would have to recuse himself. I don't know what the outcome would be. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
Off topic question...any of you guys experience where every once in a while a post sneaks through from somebody you have on ignore? If i refresh the screen it will be back hidden. 
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it is likely because some other notification is up on the screen (like the black box indicating that there are new replies) that I guess interferes with the programming.

 
proninja said:
Brace yourself for concern! 
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Keeping at open mind, doesn't think Ford is part of a vast conspiracy, understands why Ford wouldn't report the crime when she was 15, hearings tomorrow won't be enough to give us all the answers, Friday's vote will be clouded with doubt. 

So, typical Flake.  Took a shot at Trump, but won't go so far as actually do anything other than tow the party line.  

 
squistion said:
squistion said:
Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 1m1 minute ago

Avenatti is a third rate lawyer who is good at making false accusations, like he did on me and like he is now doing on Judge Brett Kavanaugh. He is just looking for attention and doesn’t want people to look at his past record and relationships - a total low-life!
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Michael Avenatti‏ @MichaelAvenatti 6m6 minutes ago

“False accusations?” Like those crimes your fixer Cohen pled to? You are an habitual liar and complete narcissist who also is a disgrace as a president and an embarrassment to our nation. You are so inept that your “best and brightest” are Cohen and Giuliani. Let’s go.
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I can see Avenatti filing a defamation lawsuit, just so he can depose Trump when he tries to raise truth as a defense.

 
timschochet said:
With regard to this latest accusation- even if Kavanaugh's name is pulled, it still has to be investigated, right? How can he continue to serve on the court that he's currently on?
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Although not nearly as salacious as his current problems, some of the newly-released emails indicate he provided false testimony in his 2006 confirmation hearings for the DC Circuit job. Russ Feingold did a short piece about it at Huffpost over a week ago, before things really blew up: We Know Brett Kavanaugh Has Lied Already 

 
whoknew said:
This is disappointing. I naively thought Lindsey was a decent person.

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“If Republicans bail out on this good man because of the smears and character assassination perpetrated by Michael Avenatti, we deserve our fate.” -- Lindsey Graham
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Yeah it didn’t take him long to forget about his so called dear friend McCain and bring some of his decency to the Senate.

 
timschochet said:
Lindsay Graham- "Why did she keep going to the parties?"
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I'm not defending anyone. Unlike alot of people here I don't claim to know if any of this or all of this or none if this is true.

But haven't you ever asked yourself why she would continue to go to these parties?

Or why noone ever told anyone what was allegedly going on at these parties?

I have

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
I'm not defending anyone. Unlike alot of people here I don't claim to know if any of this or all of this or none if this is true.

But haven't you ever asked yourself why she would continue to go to these parties?

Or why noone ever told anyone what was allegedly going on at these parties?

I have
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No. Because I've read quite a bit about sexual victims.  I urge you to spend some time doing the same, and these questions will never again occur to you. 

 
Flake's transcript:

Mr. President,

I rise today to say a few words about the two human beings who will be providing extraordinarily important testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee tomorrow - Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and Judge Brett Kavanaugh, who will testify in that order.

Two human beings. It feels a bit odd in this political setting to specify their humanity that way, doesn’t it? And I admit it feels strange to have to do that. But we in this political culture and in this city and in this building and even in this chamber – we seem to sometimes forget that before this woman and this man are anything else, they are human beings.

We sometimes seem intent on stripping people of their humanity so that we might more easily disregard or defame them and put them through the grinder that our politics requires. We seem, sometimes, to even enjoy that.

For the past two weeks we have certainly seen that happen to both of these human beings, for whatever reason – because we think we are right and they are wrong, because we think that our ideological struggle is more important than their humanity, because we are so practiced at dehumanizing people that we have also dehumanized ourselves.

Whatever else they are or have become to us, whatever grotesque caricature we have made of them or ourselves, before we are Democrats or Republicans, before we are even Americans, we are human beings. As President Kennedy said, “We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal.”

And so these witnesses who will testify in a very important hearing tomorrow, these unwitting combatants in an undeclared war - these people are not props for us to make our political points, nor are they to be “demolished like Anita Hill” as was said on conservative media the other night. Nor is one them a “proven sex criminal” as has been circulating on the left side of the Internet. These are human beings, with families and children – people who love them and people whom they love and live for – and each is suffering through the very ugly process that we have created.

I will not review the unseemly process that brought us to this point, because that is for another time, and in any case didn’t start with this particular nomination. But here we are.

There was an earlier case, twenty-seven years ago, from which you might have thought we would have learned something, but the past couple of weeks makes it clear that we really haven’t learned much at all. Consequently, there have been cries from both sides of these proceedings that each of these witnesses has fallen victim to character assassination. Both of those claims are absolutely correct. And so I will say to these witnesses – these human beings - we owe both of you a sincere apology.

An apology is inadequate, of course, but it’s a start. We can’t very well undo the damage that has been done, but we can govern our own behavior as we go through this painful hearing tomorrow, and the days afterward. We must do that, lest we do even more damage. Some of the public comments about both of these witnesses have been vile.

Not unrelated to those comments, each of these witnesses have reportedly been subject to death threats, and for that we should be ashamed. The toxic political culture that we have created has infected everything, and we have done little to stop it. In fact, we have only indulged it, and fanned the flames, taken partisan advantage at every turn, and deepened the ugly divisions that exist in our country.

These past two years, we have tested the limits of how low we can go. And my colleagues, I say to you that winning at all costs is too high a cost. If we cannot have a human – rather than a political – response to these witnesses, if we are heedless to the capacity that we have to do real and lasting damage, then maybe we shouldn’t be here.

When Dr. Ford came forward, I felt strongly that her voice needed to be heard, and that is why I informed Chairman Grassley that the Judiciary Committee could not and should not proceed to vote until she had the opportunity to make her voice heard, until such time that her claims were fully aired and carefully considered, her credibility gauged. This is a lifetime appointment. This is said to be a deliberative body. In the interest of due diligence and fairness, it seemed to me to be the only thing to do.

Not everybody felt that way. One man, somewhere in the country, called my office in Arizona and left a message saying that he was tired of me “interrupting our president” and that for the offense of allowing Dr. Ford to be heard, for this offense, me and my family would be “taken out.”

I mention this with reluctance, but only to say that we have lit a match, my colleagues. The question is, do we appreciate how close the powder keg is?

Tomorrow, we have a hearing. Many members of this body, from both parties, have already made up their minds, on the record, in advance of this hearing. They will presumably hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest. One is tempted to ask, why even bother to have a hearing?

I do not know how I will assess the credibility of these witnesses – these human beings – on the grave matters that will be testified to, because I have not yet heard a word of their testimony, and because I am not psychic. I am not gifted with clairvoyance. Given these limitations, I will have to listen to the testimony before I make up my mind about the testimony.

What I do know is that I don’t believe that Dr. Ford is part of some kind of vast conspiracy from start to finish to smear Judge Kavanaugh, as has been alleged by some on the right.

And what I do know is that I don’t believe that Judge Kavanaugh is some kind of serial sexual predator, as has been alleged by some on the left. 

I must also say that separate and apart from this nomination and the facts that pertain to it, I do not believe that a claim of sexual assault is invalid because a 15-year-old girl didn’t promptly report the assault to the authorities, as the President of the United States said just two days ago. How uninformed and uncaring do you have to be to say things like that, much less believe them? Do we have any idea what kind of message that sends, especially to young women? How many times do we have to marginalize and ignore women before we learn that important lesson?

And now, if I might say a word or two about the human beings first, on the Judiciary Committee and then in the full senate who will have to weigh the testimony we will hear tomorrow, and come to a decision on this nomination.

The Judiciary Committee is scheduled to vote on Judge Kavanaugh’s nomination on Friday. I hope that tomorrow’s hearing gives us some guidance on how we vote. But those of us on the Committee have to be prepared for the possibility, indeed the likelihood, that there will be no definitive answers to the very large questions before us. In legal terms, the outcome might not be dispositive.

While we can only vote yes or no, I hope that we in this body will acknowledge that we don’t have all the answers. We are imperfect, and we make imperfect decisions. This monumental decision will no doubt fit that description. Up or down, yes or no, however this vote goes, I am confident in saying that it will forever be steeped in doubt. This doubt is the only thing of which I am confident in this process.

I say to all of my colleagues: For this process to be a process, we must have open minds. We must listen. We must do our best, seek the truth, in good faith. That is our only duty.

Thank you, Mr. President. I yield the floor.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2018/09/26/sen-jeff-flake-full-transcript-senate-speech-brett-kavanaugh/1433244002/
 
Cowboysfan8 said:
I'm not defending anyone. Unlike alot of people here I don't claim to know if any of this or all of this or none if this is true.

But haven't you ever asked yourself why she would continue to go to these parties?

Or why noone ever told anyone what was allegedly going on at these parties?

I have
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Yes...similarly why do those boys continue to go back to church knowing a priest who has molested them in the past will do it again...AMIRIT111!1!1!1!1!

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
I'm not defending anyone. Unlike alot of people here I don't claim to know if any of this or all of this or none if this is true.

But haven't you ever asked yourself why she would continue to go to these parties?

Or why noone ever told anyone what was allegedly going on at these parties?

I have
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Oof. Where did you grow up?

 
timschochet said:
I believe you. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But if it's a smear job, why didn't Gorsuch get all of these accusations? And why are these women willing to face perjury and death threats? As well as their lives never being the same? Just to stop Kavanaugh? Come on, you should know better than this.

Pull him and move on to the next guy. One without the baggage. 
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Because the Midterms are in less than 2 months.  Democrats are hoping to delay and then reject any new replacement nominee that Trump puts out there if they win the Senate.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Because the Midterms are in less than 2 months.  Democrats are hoping to delay and then reject any new replacement nominee that Trump puts out there if they win the Senate.
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Don't complain about delays. Please. Republicans held Scalia's seat open for over 400 days. Don't recall you or any of the other Trump supporters complaining about that.

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
I'm not defending anyone. Unlike alot of people here I don't claim to know if any of this or all of this or none if this is true.

But haven't you ever asked yourself why she would continue to go to these parties?

Or why noone ever told anyone what was allegedly going on at these parties?

I have
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Mark Judge's ex-girlfriend Elizabeth Rasor said he told her about parties like this:

After seeing Judge’s denial, Elizabeth Rasor, who met Judge at Catholic University and was in a relationship with him for about three years, said that she felt morally obligated to challenge his account that “ ‘no horseplay’ took place at Georgetown Prep with women.” Rasor stressed that “under normal circumstances, I wouldn’t reveal information that was told in confidence,” but, she said, “I can’t stand by and watch him lie.” In an interview with The New Yorker, she said, “Mark told me a very different story.” Rasor recalled that Judge had told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman. Rasor said that Judge seemed to regard it as fully consensual. She said that Judge did not name others involved in the incident, and she has no knowledge that Kavanaugh participated. But Rasor was disturbed by the story and noted that it undercut Judge’s protestations about the sexual innocence of Georgetown Prep.
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Also as far as why she would keep going to the parties: I admit that crossed my mind too.  One possibility is that a girl from Gaithersburg HS (not just a public school, but also a relatively remote not particularly good one) who found herself partying with the elite of the elite would have every motivation to view things in the most forgiving light possible and to keep going. In the mind of a DC-area 17-21 year old it's probably something like a struggling actor getting invited to A-list parties.

 
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A govt employee with multiple security clearances just accused a federal judge of being a drunken gang rapist in a sworn statement. I don't see how he gets through at this point.

 
mrip541 said:
A govt employee with multiple security clearances just accused a federal judge of being a drunken gang rapist in a sworn statement. I don't see how he gets through at this point.
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The Banana Republicans will stoop to any level to appease their corporation overlords.  

 
Kavanaugh's attorney fighting back on TV.  Says Kavanaugh doesn't know who Swetnick is, asks if what happened at these parties were so bad, why didn't she go to the police?

 
Sammy3469 said:
Yes...similarly why do those boys continue to go back to church knowing a priest who has molested them in the past will do it again...AMIRIT111!1!1!1!1!
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No, you're not "rite"

roadkill1292 said:
Oof. Where did you grow up?
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"Oof?" Seriously?

I grew up in a place where if this was happening, someone would have told someone this was happening. This happened at 10 parties?

Where I grew up, one of these girls (at the VERY least) male family members or friends would have been told about it and these ####ers would have ended up in the hospital or among the missing if this was happening.

Where did you grow up?

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Kavanaugh's attorney fighting back on TV.  Says Kavanaugh doesn't know who Swetnick is, asks if what happened at these parties were so bad, why didn't she go to the police?
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She closed by wondering why anyone would want to submit themselves to the nomination process if this is what is going to happen to them.

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
No, you're not "rite"

"Oof?" Seriously?

I grew up in a place where if this was happening, someone would have told someone this was happening. This happened at 10 parties?

Where I grew up, one of these girls (at the VERY least) male family members or friends would have been told about it and these ####ers would have ended up in the hospital or among the missing if this was happening.

Where did you grow up?
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So you must not have growing up anytime prior to 2017 in the US

 
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