☞ Official SOPRANOS Thread (4 Viewers)

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Don't people realize the titles never have to do anything with the actual storyline of the episode? "Made in America" could as simple as the saying on the back of something that Tony purchases in a store.

Last week's title didnt mean anything??I'm thinking Made In America is a reference to the American mob being different in its traditions etc than the mafia originating in Sicily.

I don't think the term 'The Blue Comet' had a lot to do with the show.

maybe not the show as a whole, but they have some meaning. I dunno, while Bobby went into the trainstore and his cellphone was ringing I was thinking "oh ####" but it wasnt really until I heard the train was called a "blue comet" that I knew the mother####er was getting capped inside the store.

 

[Billy Bats]

Don't people realize the titles never have to do anything with the actual storyline of the episode? "Made in America" could as simple as the saying on the back of something that Tony purchases in a store.

Last week's title didnt mean anything??I'm thinking Made In America is a reference to the American mob being different in its traditions etc than the mafia originating in Sicily.

I don't think the term 'The Blue Comet' had a lot to do with the show.

Wasn't that the train that BB was buying just before he got whacked?

 

[Sabertooth]

There's no scraps in my scrap book.

The look on Butchie's face was great... Kind of like wtf?

The best bit of acting that guy has done.

During his scenes I spend the majority of the time trying to figure out who exactly he is looking at

One eye fishing. One eye picking worms.

 

[Dexter Manley]

If you go back to episode 1 this season, there was excellent foreshadowing of Bobby's demise. If he doesn't do the hit Tony asks for, he's never in the top 3, and doesn't get whacked. Also, remember how the drummer dude ripped his shirt open, and he gets shot countless times in the chest.

 

[Raider Nation]

One thing I thing has been notably absent from these discussions is this.

Why would Grasso keep warning Tony about NY's intentions to hurt him and his crew?

I touched on that in the 4th point here.Simply put, I think Agent Harris actually likes Tony.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I also thought there was signifigance in the opening scene when Sil uses a garrot to whack the dude playing both sides of the fence, rather than capping him with a gun. It was basically meant to show that Sil doesn't walk around packing heat. And then of course when Sil gets whacked (for all practical purposes), he didn't have a gun on his person, and had to reach into the backseat for his briefcase to try and retrieve one.

 

[Capella]

Just read another quote where Chase says that to see where the finale is headed, look back to the first episode.

Ducks?

 

[Sabertooth]

Just read another quote where Chase says that to see where the finale is headed, look back to the first episode.Ducks?

First episode of the season or the series?

 

[mozzy84]

One thing I thing has been notably absent from these discussions is this.

Why would Grasso keep warning Tony about NY's intentions to hurt him and his crew?

I touched on that in the 4th point here.Simply put, I think Agent Harris actually likes Tony.

 

[Funkley]

Just read another quote where Chase says that to see where the finale is headed, look back to the first episode.Ducks?

First episode of the season or the series?

I took it as first episode of the series.

 

[Capella]

Just read another quote where Chase says that to see where the finale is headed, look back to the first episode.Ducks?

First episode of the season or the series?

series

 

[Nipsey]

Is Benny still alive? I don't remember seeing hm last week.

You're gonna want a snort. Take it. Bennie? He's gone. I didn't want to overload you with the Halo 3 thread going full throttle. He'd been playin' both sides of the fence. Measures were taken.

 

[gump]

So Melfi drops Tony because she thinks he is a Sociopath who is playing her.

But is Tony really a Sociopath? I don't think so...a lot of his feelings are sincere.

 

[Apu]

I think Tony will die from one of his panic attacks.

 

[jdoggydogg]

So Melfi drops Tony because she thinks he is a Sociopath who is playing her.

But is Tony really a Sociopath? I don't think so...a lot of his feelings are sincere.

Note sure about that.- Tony says he loves Carmella

Think about the way that Tony has treated Carmella. Hard to call that loving behavior.

- Tony says he loved Chris

Sabotaged his sobriety then killed him.

- Tony says he loves his children

Tony routinely tells AJ he's a whimp. Meadow's one of the only people that Tony has been nice too mostly.

 

[gump]

So Melfi drops Tony because she thinks he is a Sociopath who is playing her.

But is Tony really a Sociopath? I don't think so...a lot of his feelings are sincere.

Note sure about that.- Tony says he loves Carmella

Think about the way that Tony has treated Carmella. Hard to call that loving behavior.

- Tony says he loved Chris

Sabotaged his sobriety then killed him.

- Tony says he loves his children

Tony routinely tells AJ he's a whimp. Meadow's one of the only people that Tony has been nice too mostly.

I agree he's an ### sometimes, but doesn't he really love his family? Or is that one thing Chase will show us in the end...that T is truly a Sociopath and cares about nothing but himself?Or does he show us that T is not a Sociopath...by doing something like sacrificing himself for his family?

 

[Darth Cheney]

The only thing with the duck is didn't he drain the pool?

I think that Apu who said he'll die from a panic attack might be on to something.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

Just read another quote where Chase says that to see where the finale is headed, look back to the first episode.

Ducks?

episode recaps...Season 1, Episode 1:

Anthony Soprano, a capo in the DiMeo Crime Family, begins therapy with Dr. Jennifer Melfi after having anxiety attacks. His mother, Livia, refuses to move to a nursing home. Tony's Uncle Junior wants to use Tony's friend's restaurant as a location for a murder, but Tony prevents this by having the restaurant blown up. Christopher Moltisanti, Tony's nephew, murders the representative of a Czech mob that was trying to move in on the family waste management company.

Season 6, Episode 1:

Eugene Pontecorvo is constrained by obligations when he attempts to retire to Florida. Hesh and his son-in-law become the victims of a brutal assault. The FBI loses an informant within Tony's network, and seek to gain a replacement. Uncle Junior's increasingly diminished mental state leads to shocking results.

probably not enough info in these recaps to find a correlation, but there are lengthier episode recaps on HBO's site.ETA: Tony also gets shot by a paranoid uncle June on the first episode of season 6.

 

[jdoggydogg]

So Melfi drops Tony because she thinks he is a Sociopath who is playing her.

But is Tony really a Sociopath? I don't think so...a lot of his feelings are sincere.

Note sure about that.- Tony says he loves Carmella

Think about the way that Tony has treated Carmella. Hard to call that loving behavior.

- Tony says he loved Chris

Sabotaged his sobriety then killed him.

- Tony says he loves his children

Tony routinely tells AJ he's a whimp. Meadow's one of the only people that Tony has been nice too mostly.

I agree he's an ### sometimes, but doesn't he really love his family? Or is that one thing Chase will show us in the end...that T is truly a Sociopath and cares about nothing but himself?Or does he show us that T is not a Sociopath...by doing something like sacrificing himself for his family?

Sure, Tony does exhibit some signs of empathy. So perhaps he's not a true sociopath. But he certainly does exhibit a huge sociopathic streak.

 

[Shrek]

5) Absolutely no way Tony goes into protection with the FBI. That would be the worst ending ever.

Goodfellas down?

I think that it would be wrong to equate Tony's character with Henry Hill's character. Their relative importance to their families is completely different IMO.

 

[jdoggydogg]

5) Absolutely no way Tony goes into protection with the FBI. That would be the worst ending ever.

Goodfellas down?

I think that it would be wrong to equate Tony's character with Henry Hill's character. Their relative importance to their families is completely different IMO.

Plus, in Hill's case, his "friend" in the Mafia was going to kill him. Tony still has loyal members of his crew - whereas Hill was alone.

 

[Ghost Rider]

5) Absolutely no way Tony goes into protection with the FBI. That would be the worst ending ever.

Goodfellas down?

Henry Hill - a soldier in a crew. Not a made guy. Tony Soprano - the boss of New Jersey. HUGE difference.

Just read another quote where Chase says that to see where the finale is headed, look back to the first episode.Ducks?

Maybe Artie will finally seek revenge for Tony blowing up his restaurant...

 

[KGB]

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[pitt100]

If you remember from the first episode of the series the only time Tony has ever shown any remorse or true feelings of sadness were when the ducks learned to fly and left. That really bothered him. Nothing else has....Livia's death, Christopher's death, Uncle Junior's state etc... My guess is Chase will have Gandolfini give us an Edie Falco type performance of grief. Gandolfini hasn't let loose emotionally like Falco has in the whole series. what iwill cause this is anyone's guess. Loss of AJ, Meadow, Carm? All of them? Maybe they go to Artie's and have dinner and the place blows up again--Maybe Artie dies and Tony loses it. I don't know. But I have a feeling Tony loses it emotionally over something in the finale. IMHO.

 

[Wheelhouse]

I'm afraid I may have read a spoiler to the last episode that may be the actual ending.

 

[Capella]

If you remember from the first episode of the series the only time Tony has ever shown any remorse or true feelings of sadness were when the ducks learned to fly and left. That really bothered him. Nothing else has....Livia's death, Christopher's death, Uncle Junior's state etc... My guess is Chase will have Gandolfini give us an Edie Falco type performance of grief. Gandolfini hasn't let loose emotionally like Falco has in the whole series. what iwill cause this is anyone's guess. Loss of AJ, Meadow, Carm? All of them? Maybe they go to Artie's and have dinner and the place blows up again--Maybe Artie dies and Tony loses it. I don't know. But I have a feeling Tony loses it emotionally over something in the finale. IMHO.

Well in recent shows, he's lost (or killed) his nephew, best friend and brother in law. All his doing too. That's already a lot for anybody to go through, even an ice-cold killer like Tony.

 

[kupcho1]

To me, Tony is the "golden child" of the NY/NJ mob scene...he came in young, he TOOK the throne instead of having it handed to him, and he seems to have the upmost respect of the bosses we've seen.

Nice one! I can't believe no one else noticed this.

 

[Raider Nation]

Just read another quote where Chase says that to see where the finale is headed, look back to the first episode.

Ducks?

This was in the very first post in this thread:

Episode #9 (6/10/07) -- "Going Home"

Tony thinks back to his first meeting with Dr. Melfi. Artie ponders a problem from his past. Some unexpected visitors arrive at the Soprano household. Written and directed by David Chase.

If they actually play a clip from the first episode, pay attention to how different his speech is.

 

[Raider Nation]

Clip from first episode

 

[regularguy]

I'm afraid I may have read a spoiler to the last episode that may be the actual ending.

Maybe so, but I'd be surprised. I've read very few accurate spoilers in the last few weeks and many that seemed believable.

 

[The Gator]

Clip from first episode

GB Youtube replies.

xAlexisonfirex (1 month ago)

HE WENT TO SCHOOL WITH MY DAD AND AUNTS. Only a grade under my dad, but my aunts are like 5-7 years older than him.

Okay, dude.

 

[Wheelhouse]

I'm afraid I may have read a spoiler to the last episode that may be the actual ending.

Maybe so, but I'd be surprised. I've read very few accurate spoilers in the last few weeks and many that seemed believable.

I heard that whoever spills the beans will be fined at least 5 figures. The spoiler I read seemed too specific to be someone's idea of what might happened. So much so that I don't want to post it here, not even in a spoiler tag.

 

[Silver & Black]

I just went back and watched the very first episode and gleaned some very intersting info.

The first thing that really struck me was when Tony realizes the significance of the ducks leaving his house and tells Dr. Melfi about his dream. He cries and realizes that he is afraid, always afraid of losing his family. When the ducks had their babies and they learned to fly and left him, that realization became all too clear. He cried like a baby when he came to that realization and Dr. Melfi passed him the tissues.

I think this is very important. I think Chase won't kill Tony off, that is too easy. I think somehow, he ends up on top over NY. But his worst dreams come true and he loses one or all of the members of his true family in the process. His punishment is having to live with that, as opposed to the quick and easy path of being whacked.

Also, Tony spends a lot of time in episode number one talking about the old days and how everyone now flips to the feds. Nobody has any code. You can just tell that he has a deep, deep hatred for that and I don't think he would ever turn state's evidence, no matter what.

Lastly, the scene with Uncle Junior driving Livia to AJ's birthday party is very, very interesting. Uncle Junior tells Livia how Tony continues to interfere with how he does things by blowing up Artie's restaurant. He tells her that Tony is always snubbing NY and that "something may have to be done with him." He looks out of the corner of his eyes to see how she reacts, and she doesn't say or do anything and he gives a small nod of self satisfaction to himself.

I would say that Uncle Junior having some role in having Tony killed is the most obvious clue from the first episode of the series, but I just don't see how that can happen now with only 1 hour left in the show. No. I think the clue or clues were subtle and meant to point us in the direction of what is going to happen.

I think the final episode starts off with the resolution of the war with NY, one way or another. Something happens to Carm or the kids, but Tony ends up winning and getting Phil and all the major impediments in NY. Tony winds up on top in the mob world, but has to deal with the ramifications of what happened to his real family. Just like Chase has gone out of his way to show us this season, Tony is a ruthless animal and reaks carnage on NY. But when the dust settles, he loses his closest mob pal in Sil, Bobby is gone and in al llikelihood, Paulie gets killed as well. Tony consolidates and ends up on top but at tremendous personal loss to his mob and true families.

No matter what, that first episode shows that Tony does care about his true family. That is what the whole duck thing was about and I think that is what Chase is trying to tell us. He wins and loses. And worst of all, he gets to live and have to deal with it, which is what the movie or continued spin off series is going to deal with.

Oh, and my favorite scene from that first episode is by far when Carm hears someone trying to pry open a window. Does she call 911. Of course not. She goes into the closet and pulls out a huge machine gun and goes running out into the yard, only to find Meadow sneaking into the house. And the best part is, she doesn't put the gun away but chides Meadow for what she has done, all the while, continuing to point the huge gun at her. Awesome stuff, and man, Carm looked good back then. Tell me she doesn't know what Tony is into...my ####!

 

[Capella]

I'm afraid I may have read a spoiler to the last episode that may be the actual ending.

Maybe so, but I'd be surprised. I've read very few accurate spoilers in the last few weeks and many that seemed believable.

I heard that whoever spills the beans will be fined at least 5 figures. The spoiler I read seemed too specific to be someone's idea of what might happened. So much so that I don't want to post it here, not even in a spoiler tag.

I appreciate you not doing that. There's usually some dbag like Posty who will put spoilers to something in a thread title.

 

[Wheelhouse]

I just went back and watched the very first episode and gleaned some very intersting info.The first thing that really struck me was when Tony realizes the significance of the ducks leaving his house and tells Dr. Melfi about his dream. He cries and realizes that he is afraid, always afraid of losing his family. When the ducks had their babies and they learned to fly and left him, that realization became all too clear. He cried like a baby when he came to that realization and Dr. Melfi passed him the tissues.

This makes sense - Meadow contemplating an offer on the west coast (as previously stated in a description of the Made in America episode) means she is leaving the coop. This ties into Tony being sad that the baby ducks learned to fly and left the nest. The same might be true if Meadow decides to leave. As for AJ - who knows?

 

[Nipsey]

I'm afraid I may have read a spoiler to the last episode that may be the actual ending.

Maybe so, but I'd be surprised. I've read very few accurate spoilers in the last few weeks and many that seemed believable.

I heard that whoever spills the beans will be fined at least 5 figures. The spoiler I read seemed too specific to be someone's idea of what might happened. So much so that I don't want to post it here, not even in a spoiler tag.

Guess again.

 

[Capella]

I don't think this whole thing was written out when the series started , so why would he be dropping clues about how it ends in the first episode?

I remember seeing a quote years ago about how he already knew how the series would conclude.

 

[Raider Nation]

I don't think this whole thing was written out when the series started , so why would he be dropping clues about how it ends in the first episode?

I remember seeing a quote years ago about how he already knew how the series would conclude.

LOL, yep... he knew how the series would conclude before the series even began.GB having a vision.

 

[Colin Dowling]

it's good to have an uncle as a higher up at hbo.i was also happy that the big bang happened only halfway through the finale and they still had about 20 minutes of followup following the plot ending.let me say i think this season has been up and down but i can guarantee nobody who has been a fan of the sopranos will be let down...at all.it's a very "holy sh%t" ending.

That was way too much to say. I had never considered a terrorist attack would end the show until this thread, but based on your descriptions that you revealed, when asked to sign a contract not to, I was tipped. Obviously the last episode foreshadowed, but next time you are asked to sign something concerning a big secret you're being let in on, don't ruin it for everyone else. I swear, if I were a producer on this show I'd enforce the terms of the contract and drag your ### into court.

Please post narrative of how you were lured in to this thread with no idea that it might contain spoilers.

 

[Billy Bats]

You guys aren't serious, right?

 

[pricklypete]

Just watched this. I thought it was kind of funny that the first ever hit was Christopher shooting a guy in the head snorting blow off of a cleaver.

The guy falls to the ground and the camera stays focused on the bloody cleaver.

 

[QUEZILLA]

I'm afraid I may have read a spoiler to the last episode that may be the actual ending.

post it

 

[kupcho1]

I'm afraid I may have read a spoiler to the last episode that may be the actual ending.

Maybe so, but I'd be surprised. I've read very few accurate spoilers in the last few weeks and many that seemed believable.

I heard that whoever spills the beans will be fined at least 5 figures. The spoiler I read seemed too specific to be someone's idea of what might happened. So much so that I don't want to post it here, not even in a spoiler tag.

Guess again.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/ne...ody-count_N.htm



It all comes down to this: Fans of The Sopranos are obsessing over who goes next as the show ends its nine-year HBO run Sunday (9 p.m. ET/PT).

Last week's bloodbath saw the execution of Tony's crewmembers Bobby "Bacala" Baccalieri and — apparently — Silvio Dante, who was shot and lies gravely wounded in the hospital. Viewers learned secondhand that doctors don't expect him to regain consciousness.

Bobby had the more flamboyant death scene, gunned down by rival family Phil Leotardo's goons as he purchased a cherished model train. (The episode's title was "The Blue Comet.")

"I thought I was going to die with a bunch of Bada Bing broads in bed with me," actor Steve Schirripa says. Instead, "I got stuck with the train sets."

He figures he's lucky to have made it this far — "the more you do on the show, the better chance you have to get killed" — and he relished his cinematic exit.

"If you're going to go out, there's no better way than that, man. When I saw it, it was pretty disturbing," he says. "The intercuts with the train, the little people and the screaming. It was an incredibly well-edited scene." The scene was filmed in Long Island, N.Y., during a bitter cold snap a day after a mid-February blizzard.

In contrast, Silvio was gunned down more conventionally, as he made a hasty exit from the strip club with cash. (His colleague Patsy Parisi escaped on foot.)

Actor Steven Van Zandt says he has been getting "dozens and dozens of calls" from horrified friends who were surprised because Sil was more consigliere than enforcer. "There's quite a lot of sympathy, which is kind of touching."

Echoing his former castmate, he shrugs off his shooting, deferring to creator David Chase's "one-man vision" and noting that "it's the next-to-last show. It's not exactly that big a deal."

Executive producer Terry Winter says reaction to Sunday's episode was "bittersweet": It pleased fans of Sopranos-style violence but caused "a tinge of sadness that people they have come to love" meet their Maker.

"It's hard to watch," he says. "If you do your job right, people care."

He says the windup actually was mapped out by Chase while writing the fifth season, which aired in 2004. "We've never written to audiences' expectations. That's a recipe for disaster. Whatever you do, somebody's going to complain."

Winter clears up a couple of unclear points in the episode: The Italians recruited for the botched hit on Phil did in fact kill the Soprano rival's mistress, but they mistook her gray-haired father for Phil, who wasn't there. And Tony's hideaway, in which he's last glimpsed slumped on a mattress, clutching a huge rifle, isn't his mother Livia's or Uncle Junior's home but a previously unseen safe house used to store loot or host sexual conquests.

As is customary, the actors learned their fates from Chase, who paid his first visit to Schirripa's apartment to break the news, saying, "I guess you know why I'm here," Schirripa recalls. "I said, 'How's it happen?' Then I thanked him for changing my life and making me part of this thing that will never happen again."

 

[avoiding injuries]

Thanks.

 

[WJH]

Tony's hideaway, in which he's last glimpsed slumped on a mattress, clutching a huge rifle, isn't his mother Livia's or Uncle Junior's home but a previously unseen safe house used to store loot or host sexual conquests.

Thansk for clearing that up

 

[riverrat]

Chase always does at least one dream episode a season, that we all hate, and he hasn't yet. Here's what's coming Sunday: Tony is sleeping on the mattress in the flop house cradling Bobby's assault rifle. He dreams about Big ##### being a fish, the ducks, the bear eating the Russian, whatever. Then, after an hour, Tony wakes up. Fade to black.

 

[gump]

Not sure if you guys have seen these pics from a poster on HBO.com of the final episode...

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[Capella]

Not sure if you guys have seen these pics from a poster on HBO.com of the final episode...

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[ooofffaaa]

There are a few websites out there with proof (photos) of how it ends.

I wish I never clicked on any of them.