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☞ Official SOPRANOS Thread (2 Viewers)
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Apple Juice
Footballguy
Solid block of Sopranos at 8 - True Detective at 9 going for those with all the HBO channels.
I've watched The Sopranos so much throughout my life I should be sick of it but somehow it's still so ####in great. The more I watch it the more I love how much of a #### Tony was. The scene where he smacks around AJ and dumps his cereal out like an ###hole is hilarious. The smirk Tony gives right after is tremendous.
I've watched The Sopranos so much throughout my life I should be sick of it but somehow it's still so ####in great. The more I watch it the more I love how much of a #### Tony was. The scene where he smacks around AJ and dumps his cereal out like an ###hole is hilarious. The smirk Tony gives right after is tremendous.
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Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
"Marco Polo" was on tonight.
RN and others took me to the woodshed for suggesting that Tony should have done more to help Tony B, but after watching the episode again I still think that Tony should have stepped up just a little bit extra. If not for a moral sense of obligation, then as a smart business decision.
First, Tony makes him do grunt work regarding the repair of Phil's car. Then Tony B sees the big house having a big celebration with all the expensive food and liquor; he has a conversation with Meadow and has to hear Tony brag about footing the tuition bill for an Ivy League school. When Tony B laments about being "a slave", Tony should have paid better attention.
Obviously, Tony couldn't have known about the Peeps hit, but maybe it could have been prevented if he had acted a little differently towards the guy who did a long jail stint with his mouth shut.
RN and others took me to the woodshed for suggesting that Tony should have done more to help Tony B, but after watching the episode again I still think that Tony should have stepped up just a little bit extra. If not for a moral sense of obligation, then as a smart business decision.
First, Tony makes him do grunt work regarding the repair of Phil's car. Then Tony B sees the big house having a big celebration with all the expensive food and liquor; he has a conversation with Meadow and has to hear Tony brag about footing the tuition bill for an Ivy League school. When Tony B laments about being "a slave", Tony should have paid better attention.
Obviously, Tony couldn't have known about the Peeps hit, but maybe it could have been prevented if he had acted a little differently towards the guy who did a long jail stint with his mouth shut.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Tony S. wanted to get him "straightened out" and let him start earning, but all Tony S. wanted to do was become a masseuse. Not TS's fault TB went off the reservation.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Once Tony's deal with the Korean fell through, he wanted more action with Tony S's crew. He got it, but I agree with EB that Tony S could have done more to help Tony B.
Don't forget that the scene with Tony and Meadow hit Tony B hard because his daughter was such a mess.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Eh, I think Tony S did plenty to help Tony B. Hell, he overlooked it when it became obvious that Tony B whacked Joey Peeps, giving him the casino, which let him earn a #### ton of cash. Hell, even Christopher was pissed about that (although Christopher had his issues regarding that, as we found out a few episodes later). Had Tony B stayed on course and not gone off the reservation, he would have risen quickly, with Tony S's help, but his jealousy got the best of him. Tony B only changed his mind about the Peeps hit when his son remarked about how much better Tony S's house was than where they were living. That was like a punch to Tony B's gut.
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
How does the crew find out that Tony Blundetto is gone? We never see that scene. Do they know Tony Soprano took out his own cousin? That seems unlikely, since Tony gives the big speech about protecting members of your family. So we assume that Tony told his crew that Phil dealt with Blundetto himself?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Sil: "Johnny Sac called for you. He sounded pretty upset about something."
They knew.
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Apple Juice
Footballguy
The scene was drawn out to show the gratitude/condolences on all their faces. One of the few scenes of genuine solidarity and support from the whole crew at the same time, everyone knowing they can't acknowledge the reason out loud.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Watched "Cold Cuts" last night, when Tony B and Chris went up to Uncle Pat's farm to move a couple bodies. Tony S shows up and they pick on Chris and make him cry.
But that was also the episode when Janice beat up a soccer mom and went to anger management, changing her personality pretty drastically. Tony was dealing with his own anger issues with Melfi. Was he ever a bigger **** than when he goaded Janice out of her finally happy and peaceful existence by continuously needling her about her son until she snapped?
But that was also the episode when Janice beat up a soccer mom and went to anger management, changing her personality pretty drastically. Tony was dealing with his own anger issues with Melfi. Was he ever a bigger **** than when he goaded Janice out of her finally happy and peaceful existence by continuously needling her about her son until she snapped?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That was definitely one of Tony's biggest **** moves ever.
Aside from the final scene, my favorite part of that episode is still the shot Tony sees on TV of Janice getting tackled by the cops.
Aside from the final scene, my favorite part of that episode is still the shot Tony sees on TV of Janice getting tackled by the cops.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Thanks, thought I remembered that one discussed here.
RBM
Footballguy
Probably in my top 3 favorite scenes in the shows history. His smirk/smile after he says "I don't got a right to ask, I'm the boys uncle" is just awesome. He was so pleased with himself for getting his sister to crack. Just awesome.
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RBM
Footballguy
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I've said it before: given all of Tony's cruel, sociopathic behavior we see on the show, this could be the cruelest example.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Love that scene too...Thunderlips said:
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
I took it the the opposite way. Tony was threatened and jealous of how Janice was taking legitimate steps to correct her behavior, and wanted to drag her back down to his level. He had a look of disbelief on his face as he watched her handle the telemarketer. He seemed almost shocked by her calmnessThunderlips said:
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Last night I watched the pilot show for the first time. Says is was filmed in 1996 and the show was not picked up until 99. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Tony is almost skinny and Christopher looks like he is 20 years old. Carmela has the priest over and thinks someone is breaking in...she runs to a closet and grabs an assault rifle and cranks it..the Priest freaks out. It was hysterical.
RBM
Footballguy
Yeah this is how I took it. He wasn't going to stand for her making strides that he knows he couldn't.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
The script was written in 1996. The filming of the pilot occurred in August of 1997 and aired Jan 10, 1999.
If I am not mistaken that scene with Carmela is only one of two where she touches a gun (and the only scene where she looks like she would use it). The only other time she might have touched a gun was maybe when Tony was spring cleaning the hiding spot in the ceiling after they heard they might get searched at the wedding.
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RBM
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Brady Marino
Footballguy
It's also obvious how young Meadow and AJ looked from when the pilot was shot until the 2nd episode aired.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
What would be the Top Three ranking of subjects in this thread?
The final episode
Did Ralphie kill Pie-Oh-My
The worst episode ever: "In Camelot" or "Columbus Day"
Brady Marino
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
identikit
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
"In Camelot" at least had the all-night poker game and JT catching a beatdown."Christopher" (Columbus Day episode) is an indefensibly awful 60-minute steaming pile of garbage, straight from the mind of Imperioli. He should stick to acting.
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Balco
Footballguy
Agree here. Columbus Day episode was horrid.
"Christopher" (Columbus Day episode) is an indefensibly awful 60-minute steaming pile of garbage, straight from the mind of Imperioli. He should stick to acting.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
"Christopher" at least had the good scene at the end in the car. "He was gay, Gary Cooper?"
No scene in the show's history was ever as horrible as that old broad singing to Tony in "In Camelot."
No scene in the show's history was ever as horrible as that old broad singing to Tony in "In Camelot."
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The weirdest thing about "Christopher" was all of a sudden Bobby had a wife he was a great husband to. And she was hanging with the other mob wives. And then, boom, she's dead.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Tony's reaction to the Cooper comment was absolute gold."Christopher" at least had the good scene at the end in the car. "He was gay, Gary Cooper?"
No scene in the show's history was ever as horrible as that old broad singing to Tony in "In Camelot."
The old lady signing seductively to Tony was gag-inducing.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
IC is at least watchable if you fast-forward through every scene the old broad is in. I will never watch "Christopher" again the rest of my life.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
"In Camelot" has a scene where Christopher and J.T. are chatting at the strip bar, and the scene looks very dark and there is hardly anybody else there. It's almost like they were like, this episode is so bad, we aren't even gonna make an attempt to fill up the background with people. The badness of that episode is even more glaring when you consider how stellar Season 5 was aside from that single episode. Meanwhile, Season 4 was a bit up and down, so while "Christopher" isn't good either, it is surrounded by some episodes that are merely good, so its badness doesn't stand out as much when put in the seasonal context.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
The scene where Tony tries to read his yachting magazine and the machine by the pool rattles incessantly is hilarious.
False Start
Footballguy
Just watched the final episode and there is no doubt in my mind Tony was killed. I wish we would have been able to see how the big man got offed even though we know it was the Members Only guy with a hand gun of sorts. But the POV shots and how David Chase put it together is beyond golden.
The best episodes of the entire series are the last two episodes of Season 5 in my eyes.
Anyone who knows stuff about cinematography and how shots are placed know that he is dead. The POV shots after every time he hears the bell and looks up they show a shot of what he sees, he sees black for an extended period of time after the last bell. Keep holding out hope though.
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I really don't care if Tony's dead. He was a sociopath. What interests me is these assertions. The contention that Tony is dead has taken on properties of religion. People point to all the "evidence" while choosing to ignore the fact that no such death is shown. Again...I...don't...care if he's dead or not. I'm just not willing to assert something as factual when it very clearly is not.
False Start
Footballguy
Not my fault you and some other can not see what David Chase is trying to show people with the patterns and the cinematography. How the POV shots and the bell and Tony looking up every time he hears it is important to understanding the end. He doesn't hear the bell every time and part of the ending tries to show you that that you are seeing his POV.
Here is a great in depth break down by someone much more knowledgeable than any of us.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Using that logic, Adriana could still be alive, because, after all, we never saw her die on screen. Right?
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I think I first posted that link in 2007.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Who had tony killed?
The cinematography was great to build up tension for a big middle finger to the audience.
The cinematography was great to build up tension for a big middle finger to the audience.
False Start
Footballguy
I just re watched the last episode and found it on Google just to see thoughts. Not trying to break new ground here.Raider Nation said:
False Start
Footballguy
Butchy from NY, someone from Jersey wanting the big seat in the midst of the war. Who knows.Leeroy Jenkins said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
It's an old joke in the thread. I would guess it's been posted 10 or 15 times already. Accurate or not, give the author credit for having way too much time on his hands.
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