⚽ Soccer Match-day Thread (2 Viewers)

[massraider]

The Trossard second yellow was really clear for lowering a shoulder into the man without looking at the ball. I didn't think Oliver hesitated- blew the foul, walked towards Trossard reaching for his pocket. Kicking the ball away didn't figure into this imo.

I thought they confirmed after the game it was for kicking the ball away?
Article
"The Premier League match centre Twitter/X account explained the decision, confirming that the yellow card was not for the initial foul on Silva, writing: "The referee issued a second yellow card to Leandro Trossard for delaying the restart."

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Based on this, he pulls the yellow after the ball is kicked, does not look to me like he was booking him for the foul.

Ah... My take was just based on watching the highlights. It is clear he calls the foul and then pulls the yellow after the ball kick away. I saw it wrong.

my opinion stands either way. Yellow worthy challenge, imo, and stupid and obvious yellow for kicking the ball away. If your carrying a yellow already, especially in a huge match like this, both plays are stupid by trissard

Yep.

And you know what? If it is a yellow card when Bournemouth is playing Everton in the 70th minute, it should be a yellow when the Trossard does it in the first half of a mega-game.

I don't want refs swallowing their whistles because people want a more fun match to watch on TV. The call is the call, and that 2nd yellow was Trossard's fault, not Michael Oliver's.

 

[B Maverick]

The Trossard second yellow was really clear for lowering a shoulder into the man without looking at the ball. I didn't think Oliver hesitated- blew the foul, walked towards Trossard reaching for his pocket. Kicking the ball away didn't figure into this imo.

I thought they confirmed after the game it was for kicking the ball away?
Article
"The Premier League match centre Twitter/X account explained the decision, confirming that the yellow card was not for the initial foul on Silva, writing: "The referee issued a second yellow card to Leandro Trossard for delaying the restart."

Video

Based on this, he pulls the yellow after the ball is kicked, does not look to me like he was booking him for the foul.

Ah... My take was just based on watching the highlights. It is clear he calls the foul and then pulls the yellow after the ball kick away. I saw it wrong.

my opinion stands either way. Yellow worthy challenge, imo, and stupid and obvious yellow for kicking the ball away. If your carrying a yellow already, especially in a huge match like this, both plays are stupid by trissard

Yep.

And you know what? If it is a yellow card when Bournemouth is playing Everton in the 70th minute, it should be a yellow when the Trossard does it in the first half of a mega-game.

I don't want refs swallowing their whistles because people want a more fun match to watch on TV. The call is the call, and that 2nd yellow was Trossard's fault, not Michael Oliver's.

Agree with the bolded.

As for the yellow on Trossard for kicking the ball away? Too close to the whistle and he was passing to a winger for a break. Not delaying a restart like Rice did for his. That is when you have to have some sense of the moment, the atmosphere and the game.

 

[massraider]

As for the yellow on Trossard for kicking the ball away? Too close to the whistle and he was passing to a winger for a break. Not delaying a restart like Rice did for his. That is when you have to have some sense of the moment, the atmosphere and the game.

I figure Trossard did two things there that people have gotten carded for.

I see what you saying on that one, and looking at the replay, I could maybe make a better case for the charge into....Kovacic? Whoever. That's the kind of stuff guys on a yellow don't do.


I like that Arsenal goes all Charles Oakley/Anthony Mason vs City. And that Haaland doink of Gabriel was amazing. Some top sh#thousery there. I dunno how you get revenge on him, it's not like Arsenal can plan on roughing him up next game. You'll wind up with two CBs on the ground.

 

[El Floppo]

The Trossard second yellow was really clear for lowering a shoulder into the man without looking at the ball. I didn't think Oliver hesitated- blew the foul, walked towards Trossard reaching for his pocket. Kicking the ball away didn't figure into this imo.

I thought they confirmed after the game it was for kicking the ball away?
Article
"The Premier League match centre Twitter/X account explained the decision, confirming that the yellow card was not for the initial foul on Silva, writing: "The referee issued a second yellow card to Leandro Trossard for delaying the restart."

Video

Based on this, he pulls the yellow after the ball is kicked, does not look to me like he was booking him for the foul.

Ah... My take was just based on watching the highlights. It is clear he calls the foul and then pulls the yellow after the ball kick away. I saw it wrong.

my opinion stands either way. Yellow worthy challenge, imo, and stupid and obvious yellow for kicking the ball away. If your carrying a yellow already, especially in a huge match like this, both plays are stupid by trissard

Yep.

And you know what? If it is a yellow card when Bournemouth is playing Everton in the 70th minute, it should be a yellow when the Trossard does it in the first half of a mega-game.

I don't want refs swallowing their whistles because people want a more fun match to watch on TV. The call is the call, and that 2nd yellow was Trossard's fault, not Michael Oliver's.

Agree with the bolded.

As for the yellow on Trossard for kicking the ball away? Too close to the whistle and he was passing to a winger for a break. Not delaying a restart like Rice did for his. That is when you have to have some sense of the moment, the atmosphere and the game.

Ah again... Didn't realize he was kicking toward a teammate, not just kicking the ball away. Could be he didn't even hear the first whistle and kept playing. Yeesh. Not as clear cut as it seemed on my first highlight viewing.

 

[El Floppo]

Speaking of nasty challenges and inconsistent reffing...

The two footed jumping tackle by Martinez vs Palace was a shocker. Whenever I watch United, he does something crazy yellow/red worthy, but this was the worst that I've seen. Only let off, I guess, because he didn't hit the other player. Shocking tackle to see in today's game... Drew a yellow, but yikes- really should've been red.

I didn't see the game but did see some commentary about it. Old school probably fine, today probably red even though there was no contact and he got all ball....

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Again, he gets ball and doesn't even touch the defender. And gets the yellow. But that's a red. You know jumping in like that in your celebrity league would lead to a giant fight along with a likely broken leg. Theres never a time that method of tackle is anything but breaking legs... Even in this situation where it's all ball and no leg. I mean hell- even in my day that was a shocking tackle that would get booked.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

lol Haaland after the equalizer. That is top level grade A stuff. Gabriel tried to give it back to him on the kickoff and that didn't go so well.

Honestly, throwing the ball into a guys head like that should have been a red card.

I can see in the heat of the moment that the ref may have missed it or not thought too much about it but the fact that the EPL officials reviewed this incident after the game and are not even issuing a basic fine, much less a suspension is nuts.

My understanding is that it’s one of those technical issues where they can’t review it under their own rules if the ref didn’t see it and issue a card.

I thought if the ref didn't see it is when they can review and issue a fine/ban. They can not review or add punishment if the ref sees it and declines to do anything.


I didn't see the game, but from what I have read, Halaand should have had 2 yellows well before throwing the ball into the back of his head, which also should have been a red.
But again, its Michael Oliver. And to a lesser extend, City.

Article explaining

"Referee Michael Oliver did not issue a yellow or red card to Haaland after deeming it was not an act of violent conduct. John Brooks was on VAR duty and agreed with Oliver, deciding that a red card for Haaland was not necessary.
As a result, the FA will not get involved or issue a punishment to Haaland for throwing the ball at Gabriel. "

Basically, Oliver and Brooks decided intentionally throwing the ball into the back of someone's head is NOT violent conduct worth a red. Since they saw it, no further action can be taken.
How anyone can see that and think that is not a red, I have no idea.

Once again proving Michael Oliver is the worst ref in the EPL.

Not in the mood to defend Oliver or Haaland but I didn't remotely consider this to be violent conduct. It was pure ####housery that I thought was hilarious at the time and still do. Admittedly, I realized that I don't like this Gabriel guy only because I despised the other Brazilian Gabriel who played as a defender for Arsenal years ago and had confused the two.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

also, there is actual live football today so WRONG THREAD

(CFC up 3-0 at home to first place Barrow AFC in the little cup)

 

[B Maverick]

As for the yellow on Trossard for kicking the ball away? Too close to the whistle and he was passing to a winger for a break. Not delaying a restart like Rice did for his. That is when you have to have some sense of the moment, the atmosphere and the game.

I figure Trossard did two things there that people have gotten carded for.

I see what you saying on that one, and looking at the replay, I could maybe make a better case for the charge into....Kovacic? Whoever. That's the kind of stuff guys on a yellow don't do.


I like that Arsenal goes all Charles Oakley/Anthony Mason vs City. And that Haaland doink of Gabriel was amazing. Some top sh#thousery there. I dunno how you get revenge on him, it's not like Arsenal can plan on roughing him up next game. You'll wind up with two CBs on the ground.

Oh for sure Troussard needs to have more sense than to go in like that while on a yellow. Asking to be sent off in a big game, esp with the history of a guy like Oliver on the whistle. And if they had booked him for the shoulder charge you would hear a lot of "soft card but probably right" and "What happened to Oliver not wanting to change a game like that?". But overall the debate is much smaller and not as controversial.

What riles up the fans is how many times kicking the ball away to delay a restart went unpunished over the first few weeks of games and yet Arsenal has 2 sent off. The consistency of it all is the pain point.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Not in the mood to defend Oliver or Haaland but I didn't remotely consider this to be violent conduct. It was pure ####housery that I thought was hilarious at the time and still do.

I don't think anyone considers it truly violent. However, ****housery like that can be the match that ignites something really bad. They were kind of lucky nothing transpired. All you needed was one hot temped Arsenal player who responded, and that could turned ugly.

Punishing this behavior after the game may help preventing something stupid happening in the future.

 

[B Maverick]

lol Haaland after the equalizer. That is top level grade A stuff. Gabriel tried to give it back to him on the kickoff and that didn't go so well.

Honestly, throwing the ball into a guys head like that should have been a red card.

I can see in the heat of the moment that the ref may have missed it or not thought too much about it but the fact that the EPL officials reviewed this incident after the game and are not even issuing a basic fine, much less a suspension is nuts.

My understanding is that it’s one of those technical issues where they can’t review it under their own rules if the ref didn’t see it and issue a card.

I thought if the ref didn't see it is when they can review and issue a fine/ban. They can not review or add punishment if the ref sees it and declines to do anything.


I didn't see the game, but from what I have read, Halaand should have had 2 yellows well before throwing the ball into the back of his head, which also should have been a red.
But again, its Michael Oliver. And to a lesser extend, City.

Article explaining

"Referee Michael Oliver did not issue a yellow or red card to Haaland after deeming it was not an act of violent conduct. John Brooks was on VAR duty and agreed with Oliver, deciding that a red card for Haaland was not necessary.
As a result, the FA will not get involved or issue a punishment to Haaland for throwing the ball at Gabriel. "

Basically, Oliver and Brooks decided intentionally throwing the ball into the back of someone's head is NOT violent conduct worth a red. Since they saw it, no further action can be taken.
How anyone can see that and think that is not a red, I have no idea.

Once again proving Michael Oliver is the worst ref in the EPL.

Not in the mood to defend Oliver or Haaland but I didn't remotely consider this to be violent conduct. It was pure ####housery that I thought was hilarious at the time and still do. Admittedly, I realized that I don't like this Gabriel guy only because I despised the other Brazilian Gabriel who played as a defender for Arsenal years ago and had confused the two.

Seriously? Throwing the ball into the back of the head of another player in today's game? You have to be joking. Instant red.

I will agree with the bolded though.

 

[B Maverick]

Punishing this behavior after the game may help something stupid happening in the future.

Won't happen because Oliver and Brooks (VAR) saw the incident and didn't deem it worth anything, so the FA can not go back and punish.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

lol Haaland after the equalizer. That is top level grade A stuff. Gabriel tried to give it back to him on the kickoff and that didn't go so well.

Honestly, throwing the ball into a guys head like that should have been a red card.

I can see in the heat of the moment that the ref may have missed it or not thought too much about it but the fact that the EPL officials reviewed this incident after the game and are not even issuing a basic fine, much less a suspension is nuts.

My understanding is that it’s one of those technical issues where they can’t review it under their own rules if the ref didn’t see it and issue a card.

I thought if the ref didn't see it is when they can review and issue a fine/ban. They can not review or add punishment if the ref sees it and declines to do anything.


I didn't see the game, but from what I have read, Halaand should have had 2 yellows well before throwing the ball into the back of his head, which also should have been a red.
But again, its Michael Oliver. And to a lesser extend, City.

Article explaining

"Referee Michael Oliver did not issue a yellow or red card to Haaland after deeming it was not an act of violent conduct. John Brooks was on VAR duty and agreed with Oliver, deciding that a red card for Haaland was not necessary.
As a result, the FA will not get involved or issue a punishment to Haaland for throwing the ball at Gabriel. "

Basically, Oliver and Brooks decided intentionally throwing the ball into the back of someone's head is NOT violent conduct worth a red. Since they saw it, no further action can be taken.
How anyone can see that and think that is not a red, I have no idea.

Once again proving Michael Oliver is the worst ref in the EPL.

Not in the mood to defend Oliver or Haaland but I didn't remotely consider this to be violent conduct. It was pure ####housery that I thought was hilarious at the time and still do. Admittedly, I realized that I don't like this Gabriel guy only because I despised the other Brazilian Gabriel who played as a defender for Arsenal years ago and had confused the two.

Seriously? Throwing the ball into the back of the head of another player in today's game? You have to be joking. Instant red.

I will agree with the bolded though.

I agree City would have no complaints if that's a red in today's game as you say, but disagree that its violent conduct. There's much more violent off-ball / dead ball contact throughout the game that never gets called. Haaland smashing into Partay on the kickoff a few minutes later was far more violent conduct. He's a bit like Diego Costa - an absolute pr*ck but you love him when he's on your side.

 

[El Floppo]

lol Haaland after the equalizer. That is top level grade A stuff. Gabriel tried to give it back to him on the kickoff and that didn't go so well.

Honestly, throwing the ball into a guys head like that should have been a red card.

I can see in the heat of the moment that the ref may have missed it or not thought too much about it but the fact that the EPL officials reviewed this incident after the game and are not even issuing a basic fine, much less a suspension is nuts.

My understanding is that it’s one of those technical issues where they can’t review it under their own rules if the ref didn’t see it and issue a card.

I thought if the ref didn't see it is when they can review and issue a fine/ban. They can not review or add punishment if the ref sees it and declines to do anything.


I didn't see the game, but from what I have read, Halaand should have had 2 yellows well before throwing the ball into the back of his head, which also should have been a red.
But again, its Michael Oliver. And to a lesser extend, City.

Article explaining

"Referee Michael Oliver did not issue a yellow or red card to Haaland after deeming it was not an act of violent conduct. John Brooks was on VAR duty and agreed with Oliver, deciding that a red card for Haaland was not necessary.
As a result, the FA will not get involved or issue a punishment to Haaland for throwing the ball at Gabriel. "

Basically, Oliver and Brooks decided intentionally throwing the ball into the back of someone's head is NOT violent conduct worth a red. Since they saw it, no further action can be taken.
How anyone can see that and think that is not a red, I have no idea.

Once again proving Michael Oliver is the worst ref in the EPL.

Not in the mood to defend Oliver or Haaland but I didn't remotely consider this to be violent conduct. It was pure ####housery that I thought was hilarious at the time and still do. Admittedly, I realized that I don't like this Gabriel guy only because I despised the other Brazilian Gabriel who played as a defender for Arsenal years ago and had confused the two.

Seriously? Throwing the ball into the back of the head of another player in today's game? You have to be joking. Instant red.

I will agree with the bolded though.

I agree City would have no complaints if that's a red in today's game as you say, but disagree that its violent conduct. There's much more violent off-ball / dead ball contact throughout the game that never gets called. Haaland smashing into Partay on the kickoff a few minutes later was far more violent conduct. He's a bit like Diego Costa - an absolute pr*ck but you love him when he's on your side.

Plus he scores boatloads of goals. And the awful pony.

 

[B Maverick]

lol Haaland after the equalizer. That is top level grade A stuff. Gabriel tried to give it back to him on the kickoff and that didn't go so well.

Honestly, throwing the ball into a guys head like that should have been a red card.

I can see in the heat of the moment that the ref may have missed it or not thought too much about it but the fact that the EPL officials reviewed this incident after the game and are not even issuing a basic fine, much less a suspension is nuts.

My understanding is that it’s one of those technical issues where they can’t review it under their own rules if the ref didn’t see it and issue a card.

I thought if the ref didn't see it is when they can review and issue a fine/ban. They can not review or add punishment if the ref sees it and declines to do anything.


I didn't see the game, but from what I have read, Halaand should have had 2 yellows well before throwing the ball into the back of his head, which also should have been a red.
But again, its Michael Oliver. And to a lesser extend, City.

Article explaining

"Referee Michael Oliver did not issue a yellow or red card to Haaland after deeming it was not an act of violent conduct. John Brooks was on VAR duty and agreed with Oliver, deciding that a red card for Haaland was not necessary.
As a result, the FA will not get involved or issue a punishment to Haaland for throwing the ball at Gabriel. "

Basically, Oliver and Brooks decided intentionally throwing the ball into the back of someone's head is NOT violent conduct worth a red. Since they saw it, no further action can be taken.
How anyone can see that and think that is not a red, I have no idea.

Once again proving Michael Oliver is the worst ref in the EPL.

Not in the mood to defend Oliver or Haaland but I didn't remotely consider this to be violent conduct. It was pure ####housery that I thought was hilarious at the time and still do. Admittedly, I realized that I don't like this Gabriel guy only because I despised the other Brazilian Gabriel who played as a defender for Arsenal years ago and had confused the two.

Seriously? Throwing the ball into the back of the head of another player in today's game? You have to be joking. Instant red.

I will agree with the bolded though.

I agree City would have no complaints if that's a red in today's game as you say, but disagree that its violent conduct. There's much more violent off-ball / dead ball contact throughout the game that never gets called. Haaland smashing into Partay on the kickoff a few minutes later was far more violent conduct. He's a bit like Diego Costa - an absolute pr*ck but you love him when he's on your side.

Yes you are correct that Halaand should have seen multiple yellows and reds in the game. That still doesn't diminish the fact that throwing the ball into the back of someone's head should be a red every day of the week.

And I would argue it is violent conduct because it was not in the run of play where one player is ready or expecting it. They are not battling for the ball or position and expect something violent could happen. Its during a dead ball where nothing should be happening.

 

[titusbramble]

Speaking of nasty challenges and inconsistent reffing...

The two footed jumping tackle by Martinez vs Palace was a shocker

I did mention this one close to the time

 

[B Maverick]

also, there is actual live football today so WRONG THREAD

(CFC up 3-0 at home to first place Barrow AFC in the little cup)

Chelsea 5-0, but its only Barrow.....

Walsall takes Leicester to PKs and loses. City beat Watford 2-1 and villa win 2-1

4th round draw will take place after Liverpool versus West Ham United (tomorrow). The time will not be confirmed until after the final whistle due to the potential of a penalty shootout, but it is likely to be at some point between 10pm and 10.15pm.

 

[titusbramble]

also, there is actual live football today so WRONG THREAD

(CFC up 3-0 at home to first place Barrow AFC in the little cup)

Chelsea 5-0, but its only Barrow.....

Walsall takes Leicester to PKs and loses

Was the perfect shoot out from Leicester, score all three and save all three.

Barrow is a weird place. Takes forever to get there regardless of how close you appear to be. Cheap beer because not great Northern town. Went their as our U21s played them pre season when they were still non league, must have been 6-7 years ago now, was a LONG day. Speaking of which, Portsmouth away this weekend

 

[B Maverick]

also, there is actual live football today so WRONG THREAD

(CFC up 3-0 at home to first place Barrow AFC in the little cup)

Chelsea 5-0, but its only Barrow.....

Walsall takes Leicester to PKs and loses

Was the perfect shoot out from Leicester, score all three and save all three.

Barrow is a weird place. Takes forever to get there regardless of how close you appear to be. Cheap beer because not great Northern town. Went their as our U21s played them pre season when they were still non league, must have been 6-7 years ago now, was a LONG day. Speaking of which, Portsmouth away this weekend

Just checked on the map, wow that does seem remote even though its not far from Manchester.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

lol Haaland after the equalizer. That is top level grade A stuff. Gabriel tried to give it back to him on the kickoff and that didn't go so well.

Honestly, throwing the ball into a guys head like that should have been a red card.

I can see in the heat of the moment that the ref may have missed it or not thought too much about it but the fact that the EPL officials reviewed this incident after the game and are not even issuing a basic fine, much less a suspension is nuts.

My understanding is that it’s one of those technical issues where they can’t review it under their own rules if the ref didn’t see it and issue a card.

I thought if the ref didn't see it is when they can review and issue a fine/ban. They can not review or add punishment if the ref sees it and declines to do anything.


I didn't see the game, but from what I have read, Halaand should have had 2 yellows well before throwing the ball into the back of his head, which also should have been a red.
But again, its Michael Oliver. And to a lesser extend, City.

Article explaining

"Referee Michael Oliver did not issue a yellow or red card to Haaland after deeming it was not an act of violent conduct. John Brooks was on VAR duty and agreed with Oliver, deciding that a red card for Haaland was not necessary.
As a result, the FA will not get involved or issue a punishment to Haaland for throwing the ball at Gabriel. "

Basically, Oliver and Brooks decided intentionally throwing the ball into the back of someone's head is NOT violent conduct worth a red. Since they saw it, no further action can be taken.
How anyone can see that and think that is not a red, I have no idea.

Once again proving Michael Oliver is the worst ref in the EPL.

Not in the mood to defend Oliver or Haaland but I didn't remotely consider this to be violent conduct. It was pure ####housery that I thought was hilarious at the time and still do. Admittedly, I realized that I don't like this Gabriel guy only because I despised the other Brazilian Gabriel who played as a defender for Arsenal years ago and had confused the two.

Seriously? Throwing the ball into the back of the head of another player in today's game? You have to be joking. Instant red.

I will agree with the bolded though.

I agree City would have no complaints if that's a red in today's game as you say, but disagree that its violent conduct. There's much more violent off-ball / dead ball contact throughout the game that never gets called. Haaland smashing into Partay on the kickoff a few minutes later was far more violent conduct. He's a bit like Diego Costa - an absolute pr*ck but you love him when he's on your side.

Yes you are correct that Halaand should have seen multiple yellows and reds in the game. That still doesn't diminish the fact that throwing the ball into the back of someone's head should be a red every day of the week.

And I would argue it is violent conduct because it was not in the run of play where one player is ready or expecting it. They are not battling for the ball or position and expect something violent could happen. Its during a dead ball where nothing should be happening.

Some real off-ball (or on ball?) violent conduct today by Endrick that alas was only a yellow --> https://x.com/AtletiOnTop/status/1838692416578294190

 

[encaitar]

also, there is actual live football today so WRONG THREAD

(CFC up 3-0 at home to first place Barrow AFC in the little cup)

Chelsea 5-0, but its only Barrow.....

Walsall takes Leicester to PKs and loses

Was the perfect shoot out from Leicester, score all three and save all three.

Barrow is a weird place. Takes forever to get there regardless of how close you appear to be. Cheap beer because not great Northern town. Went their as our U21s played them pre season when they were still non league, must have been 6-7 years ago now, was a LONG day. Speaking of which, Portsmouth away this weekend

I know most of these small squads prefer to play at one of the big stadiums like Barrow did today at Stamford Bridge, for both the money and for the experience. However, I just looked up Barrow's stadium and imagining a big team like Chelsea having to play there is kinda funny. Wonder what Madueke would've said about Barrow considering he thought Wolverhampton was ****?

 

[El Floppo]

Speaking of nasty challenges and inconsistent reffing...

The two footed jumping tackle by Martinez vs Palace was a shocker

I did mention this one close to the time

Fwiw... Re Martinez and Tross


The Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents (KMI) Panel has unanimously backed the decision not to show a red card to Manchester United defender Lisandro Martínez in Saturday's 0-0 draw at Crystal Palace.

Referee David Coote booked Martínez for his challenge on Daichi Kamada in the 63rd minute. The VAR, Chris Kavanagh, checked the tackle, which saw the Argentina international leave the ground and jump in with both feet, but opted not to send Coote to the pitchside monitor to review his decision.

Guidance issued by UEFA, and followed by PGMOL and the Premier League, states that if there is no contact with a challenge of this nature, which is completed before reaching the opponent, only a yellow card should be shown. Even though Martínez left the ground and appeared to stamp, he brought his feet down onto the ball rather than the opponent.

The KMI Panel's findings, seen by ESPN, appear to be contradictory in nature -- though they follow the guidance issued. The KMI Panel stated that "the action viewed in isolation is a ridiculous challenge. Martinez is so fortunate that he doesn't contact Kamada." It went on to add that the decision was "supported as correct on the basis that the action by Martinez had been completed and no contact was made, however the panel felt very strongly that this type of challenge has no place on the pitch."

Meanwhile, Michael Oliver's decision to show a second yellow card to Arsenal forward Leandro Trossard for delaying the restart in Sunday's 2-2 draw at Manchester City was also supported, by a vote of 4-1. Erling Haaland throwing the ball onto the back of the head of Gabriel Magalhães was not considered to be a key match incident.

 

[The Gator]

Man, Diogoal Jota would be amazing if would stop getting hurt. Please last all season.

 

[B Maverick]

Erling Haaland throwing the ball onto the back of the head of Gabriel Magalhães was not considered to be a key match incident.

'was not considered to be a key match incident."

That is hilarious and absolutely asinine. I can't wait for someone to throw a ball into the back of Halaand's head and get shown a red card. Can you imagine the outcry?

 

[B Maverick]

Fwiw... Re Martinez and Tross


The Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents (KMI) Panel has unanimously backed the decision not to show a red card to Manchester United defender Lisandro Martínez in Saturday's 0-0 draw at Crystal Palace.

Referee David Coote booked Martínez for his challenge on Daichi Kamada in the 63rd minute. The VAR, Chris Kavanagh, checked the tackle, which saw the Argentina international leave the ground and jump in with both feet, but opted not to send Coote to the pitchside monitor to review his decision.

Guidance issued by UEFA, and followed by PGMOL and the Premier League, states that if there is no contact with a challenge of this nature, which is completed before reaching the opponent, only a yellow card should be shown. Even though Martínez left the ground and appeared to stamp, he brought his feet down onto the ball rather than the opponent.

The KMI Panel's findings, seen by ESPN, appear to be contradictory in nature -- though they follow the guidance issued. The KMI Panel stated that "the action viewed in isolation is a ridiculous challenge. Martinez is so fortunate that he doesn't contact Kamada." It went on to add that the decision was "supported as correct on the basis that the action by Martinez had been completed and no contact was made, however the panel felt very strongly that this type of challenge has no place on the pitch."

Meanwhile, Michael Oliver's decision to show a second yellow card to Arsenal forward Leandro Trossard for delaying the restart in Sunday's 2-2 draw at Manchester City was also supported,

I understand the Trossard second yellow. I would argue the time between the whistle and him playing the ball plus it would have sparked a counter should have been considered. More important is the lack of consistency from game to game in booking these "delays". But in a vacuum it is not wrong.

As for Martinez, that is interesting since most refs overlook the lack of contact in these things. To have them back it up based on that is interesting.

 

[B Maverick]

In other news, a lot of Europa League action going on today.

 

[El Floppo]

Erling Haaland throwing the ball onto the back of the head of Gabriel Magalhães was not considered to be a key match incident.

'was not considered to be a key match incident."

That is hilarious and absolutely asinine. I can't wait for someone to throw a ball into the back of Halaand's head and get shown a red card. Can you imagine the outcry?

That whole thing is full of... Stuff.

2 footed jumping stomping tackle..." Theres no place in the game for that kind of challenge... But we'll allow it"

 

[B Maverick]

Erling Haaland throwing the ball onto the back of the head of Gabriel Magalhães was not considered to be a key match incident.

'was not considered to be a key match incident."

That is hilarious and absolutely asinine. I can't wait for someone to throw a ball into the back of Halaand's head and get shown a red card. Can you imagine the outcry?

That whole thing is full of... Stuff.

2 footed jumping stomping tackle..." Theres no place in the game for that kind of challenge... But we'll allow it"

It's all so ridiculous when they start justifying things that shouldn't be justified.

 

[titusbramble]

lol mun

 

[B Maverick]

Such a United goal to give up.

Maguire dives in to get megged.
Erikson turns into the attacker to give it away
Dalot and another player get split like they are cones.

 

[El Floppo]

Arsenal started a 16yo GK today.

 

[titusbramble]

Need a United goal to hit a little bet builder

 

[NewlyRetired]

Arsenal started a 16yo GK today.

I saw on X that he was born after the last time Spurs won a trophy...

now that is just mean...

 

[NewlyRetired]

Such a United goal to give up.

Maguire dives in to get megged.
Erikson turns into the attacker to give it away
Dalot and another player get split like they are cones.

The Maguire tackle attempt was........ummm......unique

x.com

x.com

 

[B Maverick]

Such a United goal to give up.

Maguire dives in to get megged.
Erikson turns into the attacker to give it away
Dalot and another player get split like they are cones.

The Maguire tackle attempt was........ummm......unique

x.com

x.com

Maybe he should have tried the Martinez Matrix Maneuver. 2 footed is better than 1.

 

[El Floppo]

Such a United goal to give up.

Maguire dives in to get megged.
Erikson turns into the attacker to give it away
Dalot and another player get split like they are cones.

The Maguire tackle attempt was........ummm......unique

x.com

x.com

Maybe he should have tried the Martinez Matrix Maneuver. 2 footed is better than 1.

No, no... The walk and sit spread eagled tackle was majestic- magisterial even.

 

[El Floppo]

Such a United goal to give up.

Maguire dives in to get megged.
Erikson turns into the attacker to give it away
Dalot and another player get split like they are cones.

The Maguire tackle attempt was........ummm......unique

x.com

x.com

That was made for the laugh emoji.

 

[El Floppo]

Andy... What's this Campeones Cup tonight?

 

[B Maverick]

Such a United goal to give up.

Maguire dives in to get megged.
Erikson turns into the attacker to give it away
Dalot and another player get split like they are cones.

The Maguire tackle attempt was........ummm......unique

x.com

x.com

Maybe he should have tried the Martinez Matrix Maneuver. 2 footed is better than 1.

No, no... The walk and sit spread eagled tackle was majestic- magisterial even.

Can always count on Maguire for a majestic magisterial missed-tackle.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Andy... What's this Campeones Cup tonight?

Winner of previous MLS season vs Winner of previous Liga MX season (the winners of the Liga MX Apertura and Clausura seasons play each other to determine who plays in this game)

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Looking forward to the Arsenal match on 10/27 already. Slot thru 7 games has got Liverpool playing as good as looked at any point last year IMO.

 

[El Floppo]

Ok... 18yo sub for Milan draws a straight red. Just thinking about it compared to Martinez.

This kid slid straight at the attacker, won ball and hammered the guy afterwards. Looked to intentionally keep his studs angled down as he slid. Straight red. For me, not even a foul...and I know it ended up destroying the other player. And then we have Martinez who freaking jumped/stomped down with both feet into the tackle and only gets a yellow.

Blows out.

 

[B Maverick]

Ok... 18yo sub for Milan draws a straight red. Just thinking about it compared to Martinez.

This kid slid straight at the attacker, won ball and hammered the guy afterwards. Looked to intentionally keep his studs angled down as he slid. Straight red. For me, not even a foul...and I know it ended up destroying the other player. And then we have Martinez who freaking jumped/stomped down with both feet into the tackle and only gets a yellow.

Blows out.

If I am looking at the correct video (on twitter), he goes through the ball and studs up on the foot/ankle. As much as I agree with you because we are old school, today that's a red every time. Except if you play for City. And the contact is what was lacking for Martinez to get a red.

 

[El Floppo]

Ok... 18yo sub for Milan draws a straight red. Just thinking about it compared to Martinez.

This kid slid straight at the attacker, won ball and hammered the guy afterwards. Looked to intentionally keep his studs angled down as he slid. Straight red. For me, not even a foul...and I know it ended up destroying the other player. And then we have Martinez who freaking jumped/stomped down with both feet into the tackle and only gets a yellow.

Blows out.

If I am looking at the correct video (on twitter), he goes through the ball and studs up on the foot/ankle. As much as I agree with you because we are old school, today that's a red every time. Except if you play for City. And the contact is what was lacking for Martinez to get a red.

I saw it once and one replay... Looked like studs down as much as humanly possible when sliding. For me, if that's a red they need to just make slide tackles illegal. But your comment makes think I need to see the video again.

 

[B Maverick]

Ok... 18yo sub for Milan draws a straight red. Just thinking about it compared to Martinez.

This kid slid straight at the attacker, won ball and hammered the guy afterwards. Looked to intentionally keep his studs angled down as he slid. Straight red. For me, not even a foul...and I know it ended up destroying the other player. And then we have Martinez who freaking jumped/stomped down with both feet into the tackle and only gets a yellow.

Blows out.

If I am looking at the correct video (on twitter), he goes through the ball and studs up on the foot/ankle. As much as I agree with you because we are old school, today that's a red every time. Except if you play for City. And the contact is what was lacking for Martinez to get a red.

I saw it once and one replay... Looked like studs down as much as humanly possible when sliding. For me, if that's a red they need to just make slide tackles illegal. But your comment makes think I need to see the video again.

I agree with you. But you know how the slo-mo and screen shot of VAR makes it look worse than it is. I hate that what we cheered as a good tackle growing up and used to pump up your team now is a red.

 

[encaitar]

Ok... 18yo sub for Milan draws a straight red. Just thinking about it compared to Martinez.

This kid slid straight at the attacker, won ball and hammered the guy afterwards. Looked to intentionally keep his studs angled down as he slid. Straight red. For me, not even a foul...and I know it ended up destroying the other player. And then we have Martinez who freaking jumped/stomped down with both feet into the tackle and only gets a yellow.

Blows out.

If I am looking at the correct video (on twitter), he goes through the ball and studs up on the foot/ankle. As much as I agree with you because we are old school, today that's a red every time. Except if you play for City. And the contact is what was lacking for Martinez to get a red.

I saw it once and one replay... Looked like studs down as much as humanly possible when sliding. For me, if that's a red they need to just make slide tackles illegal. But your comment makes think I need to see the video again.

I can't see how this is a red in any situation.

Gotta agree with Floppo here. That's essentially a textbook slide tackle.

 

[titusbramble]

Third round of FA Cup qualifying today, one round before the Conference sides enter and two rounds before the first round proper where we get League 1/2 sides enter. Local side Wythenshawe Town are televised but one down at home to Farsley Celtic, there's a huge derby between Radcliffe and Bury, and another interesting one is Guiseley against former league side Censoredthorpe United

Meanwhile in higher levels, nearly 24 hours after I left the house I am now in Portsmouth

 

[Mjolnirs]

Bayern v Leverkusen!

 

[encaitar]

Cole Palmer is unreal. He's making a statement that he's one of the best in football right now. Crazy that Southgate wouldn't give this kid any game time in the Euros this summer. He's miles better than any other English winger/CAM at this point and it's not close. 4 goals in one half. Insane.

 

[El Floppo]

Cole Palmer is unreal. He's making a statement that he's one of the best in football right now. Crazy that Southgate wouldn't give this kid any game time in the Euros this summer. He's miles better than any other English winger/CAM at this point and it's not close. 4 goals in one half. Insane.

This guy?

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fvpjn44wy30871.jpg%3Fwidth%3D675%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D251344032ccdecbd1b448126a3079e4cf541c570

 

[Redwes25]

Ok... 18yo sub for Milan draws a straight red. Just thinking about it compared to Martinez.

This kid slid straight at the attacker, won ball and hammered the guy afterwards. Looked to intentionally keep his studs angled down as he slid. Straight red. For me, not even a foul...and I know it ended up destroying the other player. And then we have Martinez who freaking jumped/stomped down with both feet into the tackle and only gets a yellow.

Blows out.

If I am looking at the correct video (on twitter), he goes through the ball and studs up on the foot/ankle. As much as I agree with you because we are old school, today that's a red every time. Except if you play for City. And the contact is what was lacking for Martinez to get a red.

I saw it once and one replay... Looked like studs down as much as humanly possible when sliding. For me, if that's a red they need to just make slide tackles illegal. But your comment makes think I need to see the video again.

I can't see how this is a red in any situation.

Gotta agree with Floppo here. That's essentially a textbook slide tackle.

I agree with this. That was a fine tackle.