✈ 2015 NEW YORK JETS Thread (1 Viewer)

[TLEF316]

Tannenbaum panics in negotiations and over pays. His deals with revis (giving away the right to franchise him) and sanchez (giving him the extension after the failed courtship of peyton) crippled the franchise from 2011-2014.

No real history as a scout so his talent evaluation and drafting was sketchy at best. They went through a brief period when they found some decent mid round players (kerley, slausen and a few others that I'm forgetting) but then had some horrendous busts near the top of the draft.

Hes a bean counter and not a football man. I wouldn't want any part of him running my franchise. Sorry

 

[Reaper]

You're a big believer in Geno and you were right from jump street.

Meh..

I know I have the avatar and liked the pick value.. But, more than anything i'm a believer in proper QB Development and Analyzing a QB in a proper system with proper weapons while acknowledging the Strength of Opponent.

Pat Kirwin discusses this in length in his book - how a project QB needs consistent weapons and Reps before you can truly analyze..... Last year's 4 win team was a disaster on many levels - Offense aside, the Defense was much weaker, the coaching IMO weaker, penalties, plus killer schedule...The WCO is a disaster for any young project QB - Kirwin went over that in depth on his show with Jim Miller how the Crazy terminology and pressure would be off the QB this year with the Gailey quick throw system that added weapons - Night and Day.

I never guaranteed or Promised anything For Geno...... He was and is Just another young Project with good talent that SO FAR IMO has had lousy opportunities....

Hey, it took Fitz over 10 years to get THIS magical shot. I'll still think Geno is a good roll of the dice for some team.

What I am a believer in.......... is that with this Staff GM/HC, It will be a long time before some young project QB comes in here and is force fed a Crap Situation like Geno was..... Wether it's Petty or a Draft pick, God Bless that they won't have to deal with that incompetence and will at the very least give ppl a proper situation to look at the tape and Analyze the body of work.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Tannenbaum panics in negotiations and over pays. His deals with revis (giving away the right to franchise him) and sanchez (giving him the extension after the failed courtship of peyton) crippled the franchise from 2011-2014.

No real history as a scout so his talent evaluation and drafting was sketchy at best. They went through a brief period when they found some decent mid round players (kerley, slausen and a few others that I'm forgetting) but then had some horrendous busts near the top of the draft.

Hes a bean counter and not a football man. I wouldn't want any part of him running my franchise. Sorry

Bless you,

TBaum panics, makes perfect sense in relation to Suh who was on record as saying Miami paid him the most, I'll bet his agent was licking his chops when he found Tannenbaum at the controls down here.

Don't be sorry, read my opening post in the Miami Dolphins thread and you will see where I quickly place the blame.

 

[Reaper]

Greetings Jetsfans, question and try not to snicker n sneer

-What can you tell us about Mike Tannenbaum?

I was never a fan of Tannenbaum - a glorified Accountant.....

That said, he had some decent years with Strong ppl around him who did the Shopping for groceries...

As stated tho - even his accounting was for #### at times.....

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I never guaranteed or Promised anything For Geno...... He was and is Just another young Project with good talent that SO FAR IMO has had a lousy opportunity....

He certainly played a role in contributing to the lousy opportunity you'd have to admit.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Tannenbaum panics in negotiations and over pays. His deals with revis (giving away the right to franchise him) and sanchez (giving him the extension after the failed courtship of peyton) crippled the franchise from 2011-2014.

No real history as a scout so his talent evaluation and drafting was sketchy at best. They went through a brief period when they found some decent mid round players (kerley, slausen and a few others that I'm forgetting) but then had some horrendous busts near the top of the draft.

Hes a bean counter and not a football man. I wouldn't want any part of him running my franchise. Sorry

Bless you,

TBaum panics, makes perfect sense in relation to Suh who was on record as saying Miami paid him the most, I'll bet his agent was licking his chops when he found Tannenbaum at the controls down here.

Don't be sorry, read my opening post in the Miami Dolphins thread and you will see where I quickly place the blame.

He also likes "splashy" type moves which also fits into the Suh overpay. He's a nice guy and seems to be a hard worker but I did not hate to see him go.

 

[Reaper]

I never guaranteed or Promised anything For Geno...... He was and is Just another young Project with good talent that SO FAR IMO has had a lousy opportunity....

He certainly played a role in contributing to the lousy opportunity you'd have to admit.

YES.... And IMO and by what's he said this week - He's learned a ton watching an old vet how he runs the offense, communicates with his players, and how a season unfolds.....

I wish he could have sat behind Fitz as a rookie..... Problem is, in 2013 with the weapons and offense they ran, I'm not sure Fitz could have won more than the 8 they won.... Either way it would have been more of a proper way to develop a project,

If Fitz started 2013 and 2014 on those Jets teams, He might be retired by 2015....lol

 

[Kiddnets]

I was tempted to bring back my Jet disaster thread after Sunday lol.....obviously the season was not a disaster but man oh man is there any other team that knows how to tease and then stick it to their fan base more than the Jets? If you spoke to most Jet fans before the season we would have jumped for 10 wins.....10-6 isnt the problem....the problem was how they finished. Destiny in their own hands...playing an inferior team (on paper at least) that has nothing to play for....and to make matters worse...they played awful, made a ton of mistakes and still should have won! Really ugly painful loss

The thing that hurts most is the lost opportunity - I'm reminded of losing that heart breaker to the Broncos in the AFCCG under Parcells because I knew whoever won the AFC would paste a lousy NFC team that yr.....similar this year....the Jets could beat any team in the AFC playoffs...living in the NY area Ive seen the Giants get hot at the right time with a flawed team and roll to a Super Bowl. I honestly thought that was happening this year...oh well. Next yr this team is older...may not be as talented...and will have a tougher schedule....not going to be easy but hopefully they find a way to build off this year's good things.

On to the future I guess - sorry for the length but this is cheaper than therapy!

QB - Fitz had a Vinny type revival....definitely need to keep him short term while developing a young QB but wouldnt break the bank for him - both parties need each other so hopefully a reasonable deal will get done. Geno will likely be the backup as he's dirt cheap but wouldnt shock me if they draft another young QB in mid rds and send Geno packing. I like QBs getting time to develop behind a pro like Fitz - a luxury that Geno was not afforded and it's the best we can hope for right now.

RB - Ivory and Powell both FAs - I like them both as a tandem....very impressed with Powell this yr but both have had their share of injuries....doubt they are both back....figure Ivory gets more money and leaves while Powell stays and they draft a young RB in mid rds.

WR - What a year for Marshall/Decker and they are locked up for a while - havent had these type of game changers in ages so Im going to enjoy even though they will likely take a step back next yr. Does anyone draft worse in the 2d rd then the Jets? Devin Smith looked God awful - I know it was a red shirt year but what a disaster....I am expecting nothing out of him in the future....hope he proves me wrong. Count me in on the what the heck happened Kerley? The guy has always looked solid to me but fell completely out of favor. If Smith is the bust I think he is they should look to draft a WR with upside or grab a cheap one in FA for depth

TE - Disaster - the Amaro injury hurt but I'm not sold on him...this is a big position of need. I know Gailey doesnt like to use the TE but it's inexcusable how bad the production was from this position. This has to be upgraded in the offseason.

OL - Big focus as well - Mangold starting to age but can probably get a few more yrs out of him at a high level. Jock played lousy and Brick's production has fallen big time....Brick is also on the books for over $10M next year that must be lowered without punting it down the road as he is declining. I think OL has to be a top priority in the draft. I'm talking 1st or 2d rd. Grab a stud OT and put him at RT for a year while learning from Brick - then switch him over to LT in 2017. This really has to be done....the guard position can probably be upgraded in FA for reasonable amt

DL - Strength of the team but shaky pass rush. I think they will let Snacks go...franchise Wilk and deal him. I personally think that's a mistake. Wilk is a beast and a good locker room guy, I would be very wary of giving Richardson big money after last of season's issues. He's probably one screw up away from a year long suspension. I would find a way to keep both this year and then deal Richardson next offseason when hopefully he shows he can stay out of trouble. Williams had a very good rookie season and I am very high on him. Great pick.

LB - old and slow - besides OL this is the 2d area of high concern. The LBs just cant stay with quick offensive guys anymore. Harris is a great leader but shouldnt be on the field on 3rd down. Davis has not taken the next step and is shaky as well. Mauldin showed some nice potential as a pass rusher....but this group needs a tackling/cover guy as well as an OLB to deliver heat. I expect the 1st and 2d picks to be OL and OLB is the value is there. I also see FA signing to bolster this core.

CB - Revis is not Revis Island anymore - he's still a top 5 CB but he clearly cant hang with the young studs like Hopkins and Watkins...and thats ok - problem is coaches didnt give him any help for some reason. It's like they were in denial, i dont think he falls too far in production next yr. Cro on the other hand is a goner. big cap number in savings as well as a bad season. Let M Williams and battle it out in camp. Skrine was decent so not too worried about CBs. Millner and McDougle probably gone - what a waste of a draft.

S - Very happy about Pryor's development - Bowles used him much better than Rex. He looks like a stud S in the making. Gilchrist is decent enough to not make this a priority.

ST - Huge problem - ST's were a disaster all year. The coach should be fired this week - bring in Westy as a consultant if he doesnt want to coach again. This unit sucked on all fronts. Worst punter in the league that for some reason they kept rolling out there as if there were no other options. The shank in Buffalo was terrible and was a big factor in getting down early. You can't have that happen from a punter and it wasnt his first. Bullock was an underwhelming replacement for Folk....hopefully Folk comes back healthy.....the key though is the horrible Idzick drafts have really decimated STs. Those mid to late rders need to contribute on STs and most of those guys stunk and were cut. There needs to be a concerted effort to upgrade this unit.

Coaching - Nice first season from Bowles - there are some areas I'd like him to improve on - namely adjustments and time mgt....but he was a calm, motivating force that was perfect for the post Rex era. My concern is that his laid back quiet style is going to get old real quick on the media/NY fans is they follow up this yr with a losing season. He could be the long term coach the Jets have been looking for. I was hugely concerned about Gailey as OC...boy was I wrong. Outside of a few head scratches..the O was fresh and very multifaceted. I think he is happy to be an OC and will keep this offense humming. Like Rex I figure Bowles has a big hand in the D so not worried about the DC...need to find a better pass rush next yr.

 

[TLEF316]

I'm legitimately concerned that Powell was on ped's this year. Now, I realize that everyone is probably on something but that burst came out of nowhere. Wouldn't shock me to see him get popped for 4 games at some point.

Other than the first buffalo game (that was the one where they threw 50 million screen passes that never went anywhere, right? ) Gailey did a great job. The other losses were mostly on the players or the defense (or the horrible special teams)

 

[Fariq]

I'm legitimately concerned that Powell was on ped's this year. Now, I realize that everyone is probably on something but that burst came out of nowhere. Wouldn't shock me to see him get popped for 4 games at some point.

Other than the first buffalo game (that was the one where they threw 50 million screen passes that never went anywhere, right? ) Gailey did a great job. The other losses were mostly on the players or the defense (or the horrible special teams)

Because he had some good games? Powell had good games in other seasons. His best game was in the penalty fest win over Buffalo in 2013. I did not see a "Powell burst" come out of nowhere. So, I wholeheartedly disagree with you here.

 

[Fariq]

Not a bitter Giants fan at all. I just know who Fitzpatrick is. The Jets and Fitz are/will be inconsistent and stuck in limbo because he is an inconsistent journeymen QB. They were 2nd in the NFL with 3 and outs. Keep in mind in 2011 Fitz did this very same thing he did with the Jets this year. He was fools gold and convinced enough people that he could be a starter. He then reverted back to 3 below average years.

Look Jets fans can move forward with Fitz as your starter, but be prepared for a let down like you felt today.

What else will you tell us? On a nice clear day, the sky is blue? Water is wet? Adult whales are large? We get it. Fitzpatrick is limited. I don't recall any Jets fans here saying he is the next Johnny Unitas.

Did Fitzpatrick cut you off while driving on the Parkway? Did he not hold the door open for your Grandma when she was walking into a convenience store? You came into this thread shortly after a crushing Jets defeat to annoy Jets fans. You didn't even see the whole game. We know this because your commentary on the game indicates as much. Also, we figure you likely were watching the Giants game.

 

[Fariq]

Tannenbaum panics in negotiations and over pays. His deals with revis (giving away the right to franchise him) and sanchez (giving him the extension after the failed courtship of peyton) crippled the franchise from 2011-2014.

No real history as a scout so his talent evaluation and drafting was sketchy at best. They went through a brief period when they found some decent mid round players (kerley, slausen and a few others that I'm forgetting) but then had some horrendous busts near the top of the draft.

Hes a bean counter and not a football man. I wouldn't want any part of him running my franchise. Sorry

I agree.

Tannenbaum was pretty bad. If he only focuses on the salary cap, the damage will be limited. If you let him make personnel moves, then he will look to win the offseason with big splash moves. The second contract given to Mark Sanchez was unbelievably bad.

 

[TLEF316]

I'm legitimately concerned that Powell was on ped's this year. Now, I realize that everyone is probably on something but that burst came out of nowhere. Wouldn't shock me to see him get popped for 4 games at some point.

Other than the first buffalo game (that was the one where they threw 50 million screen passes that never went anywhere, right? ) Gailey did a great job. The other losses were mostly on the players or the defense (or the horrible special teams)

Because he had some good games? Powell had good games in other seasons. His best game was in the penalty fest win over Buffalo in 2013. I did not see a "Powell burst" come out of nowhere. So, I wholeheartedly disagree with you here.

To me, he looked SIGNIFICANTLY more explosive this season. He's always been a versatile back with decent vision and hands, but I've never seen him accelerate to the 2nd level like he did this season.

And in a contract year for a 27 year old back that probably only has less than $3 Mil in the bank (only like $5.2 Mil in cash in career earnings) I don't think its a huge reach. This was pretty much his last shot at earning a decent pay day.

 

[Fariq]

RB - Ivory and Powell both FAs - I like them both as a tandem....very impressed with Powell this yr but both have had their share of injuries....doubt they are both back....figure Ivory gets more money and leaves while Powell stays and they draft a young RB in mid rds.

WR - What a year for Marshall/Decker and they are locked up for a while - havent had these type of game changers in ages so Im going to enjoy even though they will likely take a step back next yr. Does anyone draft worse in the 2d rd then the Jets? Devin Smith looked God awful - I know it was a red shirt year but what a disaster....I am expecting nothing out of him in the future....hope he proves me wrong. Count me in on the what the heck happened Kerley? The guy has always looked solid to me but fell completely out of favor. If Smith is the bust I think he is they should look to draft a WR with upside or grab a cheap one in FA for depth

Initially we were told Kerley wasn't playing from scrimmage because he missed OTAs or meetings or something due to injury and fell behind. By midseason, when Thompkins was brought in and played right away, it became clear this staff just doesn't think much of Kerley. He needs a change of scenery.

I liked Smith in college and still do. His teammates like him. He must be a decent guy and he obviously tries hard. Did he just have a poor year or is he going to be a bust? I think it is the former. That said, I would want another WR drafted in an early round. If Decker or Marshall went down, one would not feel comfortable with Smith being elevated to a starting WR position early in the 2016 season.

Rex Ryan wanted to sign Powell. Surprisingly, Powell went back to the Jets. I don't see why Powell won't be back in 2016. I would not look to resign Ivory. He played well but he did not play enough. I want my lead back to be more reliable. He runs very hard. It is nice to watch but he has played six NFL seasons already. He will age faster than a typical RB based on his style of running. I believe it is time to move on.

 

[Fariq]

I'm legitimately concerned that Powell was on ped's this year. Now, I realize that everyone is probably on something but that burst came out of nowhere. Wouldn't shock me to see him get popped for 4 games at some point.

Other than the first buffalo game (that was the one where they threw 50 million screen passes that never went anywhere, right? ) Gailey did a great job. The other losses were mostly on the players or the defense (or the horrible special teams)

Because he had some good games? Powell had good games in other seasons. His best game was in the penalty fest win over Buffalo in 2013. I did not see a "Powell burst" come out of nowhere. So, I wholeheartedly disagree with you here.

To me, he looked SIGNIFICANTLY more explosive this season. He's always been a versatile back with decent vision and hands, but I've never seen him accelerate to the 2nd level like he did this season.

And in a contract year for a 27 year old back that probably only has less than $3 Mil in the bank (only like $5.2 Mil in cash in career earnings) I don't think its a huge reach. This was pretty much his last shot at earning a decent pay day.

We will agree to disagree then. Often I don't pay attention to NFL contracts because they are so fake. When the Jets resigned him this past offseason, it was for one year? If so, then, maybe he will leave.

 

[Fariq]

QB - Fitz had a Vinny type revival....definitely need to keep him short term while developing a young QB but wouldnt break the bank for him - both parties need each other so hopefully a reasonable deal will get done. Geno will likely be the backup as he's dirt cheap but wouldnt shock me if they draft another young QB in mid rds and send Geno packing. I like QBs getting time to develop behind a pro like Fitz - a luxury that Geno was not afforded and it's the best we can hope for right now.

RB - Ivory and Powell both FAs - I like them both as a tandem....very impressed with Powell this yr but both have had their share of injuries....doubt they are both back....figure Ivory gets more money and leaves while Powell stays and they draft a young RB in mid rds.

WR - What a year for Marshall/Decker and they are locked up for a while - havent had these type of game changers in ages so Im going to enjoy even though they will likely take a step back next yr. Does anyone draft worse in the 2d rd then the Jets? Devin Smith looked God awful - I know it was a red shirt year but what a disaster....I am expecting nothing out of him in the future....hope he proves me wrong. Count me in on the what the heck happened Kerley? The guy has always looked solid to me but fell completely out of favor. If Smith is the bust I think he is they should look to draft a WR with upside or grab a cheap one in FA for depth

TE - Disaster - the Amaro injury hurt but I'm not sold on him...this is a big position of need. I know Gailey doesnt like to use the TE but it's inexcusable how bad the production was from this position. This has to be upgraded in the offseason.

DL - Strength of the team but shaky pass rush. I think they will let Snacks go...franchise Wilk and deal him. I personally think that's a mistake. Wilk is a beast and a good locker room guy, I would be very wary of giving Richardson big money after last of season's issues. He's probably one screw up away from a year long suspension. I would find a way to keep both this year and then deal Richardson next offseason when hopefully he shows he can stay out of trouble. Williams had a very good rookie season and I am very high on him. Great pick.

LB - old and slow - besides OL this is the 2d area of high concern. The LBs just cant stay with quick offensive guys anymore. Harris is a great leader but shouldnt be on the field on 3rd down. Davis has not taken the next step and is shaky as well. Mauldin showed some nice potential as a pass rusher....but this group needs a tackling/cover guy as well as an OLB to deliver heat. I expect the 1st and 2d picks to be OL and OLB is the value is there. I also see FA signing to bolster this core.

CB - Revis is not Revis Island anymore - he's still a top 5 CB but he clearly cant hang with the young studs like Hopkins and Watkins...and thats ok - problem is coaches didnt give him any help for some reason. It's like they were in denial, i dont think he falls too far in production next yr. Cro on the other hand is a goner. big cap number in savings as well as a bad season. Let M Williams and battle it out in camp. Skrine was decent so not too worried about CBs. Millner and McDougle probably gone - what a waste of a draft.

CB- Due to the salary cap situation, I think Milliner may be brought back.

LB- Nick Kwiatkoski from WVU is going to be good. He is an inside linebacker. I am not sure he could convert to the outside. injuries could ruin everything but I expect this guy to be an impactful player. I'd love to see him on the Jets.

DL- I expect the Jets to resign Harrison. If he goes, then a guy like Kenny Clark from UCLA could be drafted.

TE- I really don't know what the heck the Jets will do with this position.

WR- Sterling Shepard would be an ideal fit on the Jets. He is a shorter receiver in the Jarvis Landry mold (I wanted Landry on the Jets in 2014 but he went to some other team). He will play good football. De'Runnya Wilson is a big possession receiver who would be a good fit if the Jets want to go big. Base defense is basically 4-2-5 these days. Marshall-Decker-Enunwa-Wilson in 4-receiver sets would be tough on defenses.

RB- When I watch Ezekiel Elliott play I see an all-around back. He reminds me of Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith and Marcus Allen because he can run, catch and pick up the blitz. Is first round too early to take a running back? Yeah, it usually doesn't make sense these days. What if Derrick Henry lasted into round 2? Trading up to get him would make sense to me. I absolutely do not buy into this idea that Henry is the next Andre Williams. I see him as more similar to Steven Jackson or pre-bloated Eddie Lacy. There is no dancing with this guy. He will get the handoff and run. Henry will be a 3-down player because he will help in pass protection. I see Henry as a clear upgrade over Ivory. The other RB I am intrigued by is Jonathan Williams from Arkansas. He is expected to play in the Senior Bowl.

 

[Kiddnets]

Good stuff Fariq.....

I think Mac is a best player available guy for the draft - proved that with Williams rather than reach for a lesser player....hopefully the BPA fills needs though because there are a bunch. I personally would have been ok selecting Gurley in the 1st rd last yr because this team needed explosive playmakers....unless there is a stud RB in the 1st I think you wait on that position - better value later. The early value as far as toughest positions to fill IMO are OT and OLB...unless there is a huge drop I can't see them passing up on these positions.

TE is a huge problem - hopefully Amaro comes back 100% next year as he showed flashes of potential - but the Jets have whiffed on every TE drafted since Mickey Shuler. This is a black hole position that needs to be filled.

 

[Kiddnets]

Still bummed so trying to distract the pain by looking more to 2016. This is my therapy so sorry for the long post....need to turn the page and look toward the future or I'll keep reliving that lost opportunity.

looking at cap room next yr....overthecap has them at about $19M under going into next season. Thats assuming there is not a huge jump in cap so that's a conservative projection. I took a look at the contracts and based on my understanding throw out the below.

Brick's cap number is $14M! That must be renegotiated as the dead money is only $5M - some leverage there to get a deal done without rolling it down the line like Tanny always did. Figure they shave that number down at least $5M so looking at $24M

Cro has an full unguaranteed $8M cap number next yr - nice move Mac and see ya Cro - $32M

Other interesting contracts - Mangold has no dead money anymore - maybe renegotiated one more time - more confident in stretching him out more unlike Brick.....Millner is all dead money if cut $4M hit with no cap savings in this last yr - looks like he'll be back. Harris overpaid at $7.5M but it's guaranteed and its his last yr....maybe they can find some middle ground as well but he is declining fast so hope he doesnt stretch that out. Giacomeni is a $3.8M cap saving by cutting him - good chance he's cut. Skrine has a very surprisingly high cap number at $7.5M - but all dead if they cut him so he's definitely here.

So for fun Im estimating about $38M in space going into the offseason....

Fitz - not on the books - $3.2M last yr....he's due for a raise but don't back up the truck....McNown received a $5.5M per yr deal after his one big season...Foles got a ridiculous $12M - I say they split the difference and make a deal for about $8M yr for 2-3 yrs. I think both parties need each other so a deal will get done. Fitz is a great vet/mentor to develop Petty and another young QB. That lowers the cap availability to $30M

Wilkerson - the other big domino - if they franchise him it is a whopping $16M hit which will severely limit what they can do....I think they sign him to a long term deal or trade him.....Im a huge fan so Im going to assume they sign him and find a deal that is fair but cap friendly - say a $10M hit the 1st yr with a big bonus that gets spread out. down to $20M

Snacks - Not very sure what his market rate will be - he made $2,3M in 2015 and will be in demand. I think they may let him go if the bidding gets too high but let's say he gets a raise to $4M and stays. $16M left

RB - with $16M left and a lot of holes to fill I predict this is where the axe will fall. I love Ivory but some team is going to love him as well and overpay. Based on the injuries, running style and other options I think he goes. Powell made $2M last yr on a 1 yr deal...figure he gets a raise and a bonus to raise that number to $3M and they let Ivory walk.

So after resigning our main players that leaves the team with about $13M left. Figure they need to save $5M for the draft and that's only $8M left for FAs....so unless Im reading it wrong it seems the offseason comes down to signing their own players....if they sign or franchise Wilk there wont be much money to spend....if they deal Wilk for a 1st they can probably add a nice FA along with a hopeful 1st rder they would get for him - Id rather have Wilk and deal Sheldon after this season.

So while last off season was a spending on FA I think this off season will focus on their own core and the draft....If they can lock in Fitz/Wilk/Snacks/Powell.....draft an OL stud, RB and LB early they make a run of 1-2 yrs with this group which makes sense on paper as in 2018 most of the big contracts are off the books. Hopefully Petty and/or another mid rd young QB develop in the 2 yrs and are ready to take command just as Brady/Fitz are finishing up their runs.

What do you guys think of this or anything else in the next 1-2 yrs.....

 

[Arodin]

Only a casual follower of the Jets who likes reading team offseason threads for news and analysis.

Who is "Snacks?"

 

[TLEF316]

Only a casual follower of the Jets who likes reading team offseason threads for news and analysis.

Who is "Snacks?"

Nose tackle Damon Harrison.

 

[Reaper]

If you're in to Podcasts.... This is pretty good http://www.blogtalkradio.com/lets-talk-jets/2016/01/06/the-new-york-jets-fall-short-in-their-bid-for-a-playoff-spot

No sugar coating in there tho - Just some MAD ppl over an opportunity blown - Horrible coaching / Game plan and a "Fools Gold" of a year...

Really unacceptable to get Out coached by Rex Ryan... Ivory not getting carries, Playing off Watkins....What a disaster.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Well I guess it's some small consolation to a disappointing season that the Jets Week 16 win over the Patriots was, at least to some small extent, responsible for keeping the Pats out of the Super Bowl. New England hasn't won a road playoff game since 2006.

Of course, it should have been a springboard for the Jets to get in so it's bittersweet, but it's something at least.

 

[TLEF316]

:confetti:

 

[Reaper]

Now just sign Von Miller

Jets are going from the easiest schedule in the NFL to possibly the most difficult.... Fill those holes!!!

 

[TLEF316]

I'm hoping that the OLB from Notre Dame with the torn ACL falls to 20. Risk worth taking.

 

[rockaction]

What's going to happen with WIlkerson, and why is a tag-and-trade "next to impossible" according to Cimini? I'm not sure I understand why this year would be so easy. Is it because of an impending holdout. A tough draft match at the top of the draft?  I'd imagine Wilkerson could (indeed, has to) bring a high first-rounder. 

 

[RUSF18]

What's going to happen with WIlkerson, and why is a tag-and-trade "next to impossible" according to Cimini? I'm not sure I understand why this year would be so easy. Is it because of an impending holdout. A tough draft match at the top of the draft?  I'd imagine Wilkerson could (indeed, has to) bring a high first-rounder. 

No one is going to pay that kind of draft pick price to trade for him and give him $50 million guaranteed. 

 

[Grahamburn]

I guess there are some Glennon for Wilkerson grumblings?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why are we back in 2015?

 

[massraider]

What if Wilkerson was the piece that got them up the draft to take a QB?

 

[Fariq]

Why are we back in 2015?

It took a ridiculous post to do it but we are back in 2016.

 

[rockaction]

No one is going to pay that kind of draft pick price to trade for him and give him $50 million guaranteed. 

I'm still not sure why it was ridiculous, but so it goes. 

2015 and infinity to beyond. 

Or, wait, is that like beyond the beyond

Or infinity to infinity.

?

 

[rockaction]

What if Wilkerson was the piece that got them up the draft to take a QB?

We could swallow that, but it isn't happening. 

 

[massraider]

We could swallow that, but it isn't happening. 

Yes, seems unlikely.  

Trading a franchised player is difficult, it's nothing but downside for the team that gets him, and if the Jets don't get a 1st rounder, they face massive criticism.  Which is really silly, who said a 1st rounder was the price for a guy on an expensive 1 year deal?  It's not a realistic goal, and the Jets should have had their media mouthpieces saying as much.  

The other part that I think makes a deal impossible is that I think Mo wants top dollar, meaning money he would make as a true free agent.  I think he wants Olivier Vernon money.  You only get that when you are a free agent, not when you are still under control of a team.  The fact that the Jets have been negotiating for two years and no deal, that's pretty alarming.  

The number of teams that can afford him is not large, the teams that might move a 1st rounder for him is pretty small I would guess, and no one is gonna make a deal without a long term deal in place.   Come hell or high water, Mo is getting to unrestricted free agency next year.  He's been complaining about money for two years, it'll be three next March.  He's not taking less money now.  

I never thought that the Jets had to trade Mo, I always thought that having him play another year, then getting a comp pick for him later was a fine outcome. Especially if you are trying to get a playoff team together, which the Jets definitely should be trying to do.  

But my thinking has changed.  The contracts they would have to mess with to sign Fitz, are contracts they shouldn't mess with.  Older guys they may want to just cut in a year or so.  Hanging onto Mo means they cannot afford a QB, or have to cut their left tackle before they have a replacement in place.  His franchise number is keeping them from doing anything.  They should let him go.  Rescind the offer, get a 3rd rounder next year, start Williams at LE, and move the heck on.  

 

[rockaction]

Yes, seems unlikely.  

Trading a franchised player is difficult, it's nothing but downside for the team that gets him, and if the Jets don't get a 1st rounder, they face massive criticism.  Which is really silly, who said a 1st rounder was the price for a guy on an expensive 1 year deal?  It's not a realistic goal, and the Jets should have had their media mouthpieces saying as much.  

The other part that I think makes a deal impossible is that I think Mo wants top dollar, meaning money he would make as a true free agent.  I think he wants Olivier Vernon money.  You only get that when you are a free agent, not when you are still under control of a team.  The fact that the Jets have been negotiating for two years and no deal, that's pretty alarming.  

The number of teams that can afford him is not large, the teams that might move a 1st rounder for him is pretty small I would guess, and no one is gonna make a deal without a long term deal in place.   Come hell or high water, Mo is getting to unrestricted free agency next year.  He's been complaining about money for two years, it'll be three next March.  He's not taking less money now.  

I never thought that the Jets had to trade Mo, I always thought that having him play another year, then getting a comp pick for him later was a fine outcome. Especially if you are trying to get a playoff team together, which the Jets definitely should be trying to do.  

But my thinking has changed.  The contracts they would have to mess with to sign Fitz, are contracts they shouldn't mess with.  Older guys they may want to just cut in a year or so.  Hanging onto Mo means they cannot afford a QB, or have to cut their left tackle before they have a replacement in place.  His franchise number is keeping them from doing anything.  They should let him go.  Rescind the offer, get a 3rd rounder next year, start Williams at LE, and move the heck on.  

Whoa. Thanks for your response. That's why we took Williams, I guess, and made a run at 2015. Which wasn't a terrrible move (the run in 2015), in retrospect. We were good. 

 

[Grahamburn]

Which is why there's talk of him being traded for Mike Glennon, but I guess that's silly?  Glennon is set to make $675K. 

 

[massraider]

Sorry to go all Bob MaGaw there.

 

[rockaction]

Sorry to go all Bob MaGaw there.

 But if you know it, and somebody cares, show it.  

 

[massraider]

Which is why there's talk of him being traded for Mike Glennon, but I guess that's silly?  Glennon is set to make $675K. 

I think there are a few teams waiting to see if Kaep shakes loose on April 1.  

If the 49ers don't blink, and guarantee his salary this year, I think everything else gets in motion.  Teams either get serious about a trade for Kaep, or not, and the Jets make a move with Brick, and re-sign Fitz.  

 

[rockaction]

I think there are a few teams waiting to see if Kaep shakes loose on April 1.  

If the 49ers don't blink, and guarantee his salary this year, I think everything else gets in motion.  Teams either get serious about a trade for Kaep, or not, and the Jets make a move with Brick, and re-sign Fitz.  

Who fills in for Brick?  Are they that confident in the Seattle '11-'12 line? 

Jesus. This ####### sport...

 

[massraider]

Who fills in for Brick?  Are they that confident in the Seattle '11-'12 line? 

Jesus. This ####### sport...

See, if they let Mo go, they don't have to make a tough decision on Brick.  I'm kind of a Jets fan at this point.  A) Screw the Pats  B)I loved Leonard Williams C) Loved watching Bowles defense in AZ.  

I hope they take Lynch at their pick, and let Fitz walk.  They have to figure that Gailey was the reason Fitz threw 30 last year, let him work some magic with Petty/Geno and prep Lynch to take over in December/next year.  I don't see the massive difference between Wentz and Lynch as prospects.   I still think Goff might go before Wentz.  

Everyone says Fitz is being a harda** about the contract but the Jets right now cannot even afford to pay him Chase Daniel money.  I dunno if the Jets are offering him anything reasonable at this point.  

 

[rockaction]

See, if they let Mo go, they don't have to make a tough decision on Brick.  I'm kind of a Jets fan at this point.  A) Screw the Pats  B)I loved Leonard Williams C) Loved watching Bowles defense in AZ.  

I hope they take Lynch at their pick, and let Fitz walk.  They have to figure that Gailey was the reason Fitz threw 30 last year, let him work some magic with Petty/Geno and prep Lynch to take over in December/next year.  I don't see the massive difference between Wentz and Lynch as prospects.   I still think Goff might go before Wentz.  

Everyone says Fitz is being a harda** about the contract but the Jets right now cannot even afford to pay him Chase Daniel money.  I dunno if the Jets are offering him anything reasonable at this point.  

I remember you mocking Leonard Williams at 4 to the Raiders. Gailey was the reason for Fitz, and that's why I actually had Fitz starting and succeeding (at least in my head). I remember Gailey and Fitz in Buffalo vividly. 

So we rebuild for a year, I guess. WIth Lynch? Yikes. 

 

[massraider]

I remember you mocking Leonard Williams at 4 to the Raiders. Gailey was the reason for Fitz, and that's why I actually had Fitz starting and succeeding (at least in my head). I remember Gailey and Fitz in Buffalo vividly. 

So we rebuild for a year, I guess. WIth Lynch? Yikes. 

I don't think they are a title team next year.  Whether Fitz is there or not.  

Any draft pick of a QB is a pick for the future, but your future can't get started without a QB.  Also, I see no reason why a young QB cannot come in, and run around like a rookie Big Ben, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson etc.  Let Gailey design an offense to hide the flaws, like he did with Fitz, a weak-armed QB who thinks he's Brett Favre.   Gailey did a great job with him.  

They have a defense and a running game, and smart coaches, as far as I can tell.  I'm not 100% certain that the 2016 Jets can't do better than the 2015 Jets with some combo of Petty/Lynch.  

 

[identikit]

Any of you diehard Jets fans heard of 'The Gauntlet.' ?

Supposedly happens in/around the entrance/exits during games involving beating down fans who are scrambling for dollars.

Maybe an urban legend, but something tells me it's real.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Any of you diehard Jets fans heard of 'The Gauntlet.' ?

Supposedly happens in/around the entrance/exits during games involving beating down fans who are scrambling for dollars.

Maybe an urban legend, but something tells me it's real.

In the old stadium, people used to throw money down in the middle of the spirals (walkways into the upper bowls of the stadium) and when some one would jump into the bottom pit to collect the money people would dump beer etc. on them - but no "beat downs" - perhaps an idiot would chuck a full plastic bottle of beer or soda. That was what I though was known as the gauntlet.

Chicks used to flash their boobs lined around the spirals and there was as much pot smoke as a Dead concert. Ahhh, good times.

 

[Rodrigo Duterte]

If your team shows up with the kind of focus, effort and complete lack of discipline like the Jets did tonight, you should be given your walking papers before you get in the car.  Where is the leadership?  On national television / Monday night no less.  I can not even see a shred of pride out there.  What a total embarrassment to the organization.

 

[LBH]

Yeah this is about as embarrassing a showing I've seen in a long time. Looks like they have totally quit 

 

[BobbyLayne]

Wait

The perpetual J-E-T-S thread had zero posts for 35 weeks?

 

[Rodrigo Duterte]

Oops, I posted in an thread.  I found the link from the pinned thread for teams and players.  Maybe they'll update that link.