✈ 2015 NEW YORK JETS Thread (1 Viewer)

[Sammy B]

Some around the league believe teams will be interested in trading for Bucs QB Mike Glennon.

Although Glennon was quietly effective as a rookie in 2013, the Lovie Smith regime never gave him much of a shot. Glennon started just five games in 2014, operating mostly as a backup to 35-year-old journeyman Josh McCown. Now the Bucs, likely to select a quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick, should be even more motivated to trade Glennon than they were last year. Perhaps a QB-desperate team like the Bills or Jets would be willing to part with a late-round pick. Glennon is under contract for just $687,188 in 2015.

I'm all for giving up a later pick to take a chance on Glennon. As I said earlier, I don't think he's a franchise type talent, but it's worth exploring if he can be a solid starter in this league. I think he can be.

IMO, no point in making a trade for Glennon. He couldn't secure the TB starting gig so why give up a pick? Geno has shown more so I'm willing to stick with him over a "what if."

Geno has shown more?

Maybe saying he's shown more jumped the gun a bit but I don't see Glennon as a solution. I guess it all depends on what pick they would give up.

The thing is the Jets don't have and clear cut way to find a solution to their QB woes unless Mariota or Wilson fall to the sixth pick and that's not exactly a guaranteed solution either. Glennon completed 60% of his passes with a 19:9 TD:INT ratio as a rookie that didn't have the benefit of a training camp with starter reps. and wasn't surrounded by much talent that first season.

I don't think its a case where he couldn't secure the TB starting gig but rather where Lovie Smith thought he could bring in McCown and recreate the Bears offense that McCown was successful in. He outplayed McCown imo.

I think Glennon could be a Joe Flacco type QB with some experience - not sure he's a solution but he could be a solid option until they find a better one. I really don't think Geno has the mental makeup to be a success.

Yes, definitely agree. Glennon's TD:INT ration really stands out. I just don't want the Jets to see him as a savior and giving up the farm for him. Yeah, Geno took a huge hit last year. His rookie season was promising too, aside from that November.

 

[Kiddnets]

I'd definitely deal a 5th or 6th rder for Glennon - maybe even a 4th if no other options - nothing higher....and that still wouldnt stop me from grabbing another QB early in the draft. I'm fine letting Geno compete based on his low salary but he in no way deserves to come in as a starter. I'd like the Jets to grab a QB with some experience and a rookie in the 1st 3 rds.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Some around the league believe teams will be interested in trading for Bucs QB Mike Glennon.

Although Glennon was quietly effective as a rookie in 2013, the Lovie Smith regime never gave him much of a shot. Glennon started just five games in 2014, operating mostly as a backup to 35-year-old journeyman Josh McCown. Now the Bucs, likely to select a quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick, should be even more motivated to trade Glennon than they were last year. Perhaps a QB-desperate team like the Bills or Jets would be willing to part with a late-round pick. Glennon is under contract for just $687,188 in 2015.

I'm all for giving up a later pick to take a chance on Glennon. As I said earlier, I don't think he's a franchise type talent, but it's worth exploring if he can be a solid starter in this league. I think he can be.

IMO, no point in making a trade for Glennon. He couldn't secure the TB starting gig so why give up a pick? Geno has shown more so I'm willing to stick with him over a "what if."

Geno has shown more?

Maybe saying he's shown more jumped the gun a bit but I don't see Glennon as a solution. I guess it all depends on what pick they would give up.

The thing is the Jets don't have and clear cut way to find a solution to their QB woes unless Mariota or Wilson fall to the sixth pick and that's not exactly a guaranteed solution either. Glennon completed 60% of his passes with a 19:9 TD:INT ratio as a rookie that didn't have the benefit of a training camp with starter reps. and wasn't surrounded by much talent that first season.

I don't think its a case where he couldn't secure the TB starting gig but rather where Lovie Smith thought he could bring in McCown and recreate the Bears offense that McCown was successful in. He outplayed McCown imo.

I think Glennon could be a Joe Flacco type QB with some experience - not sure he's a solution but he could be a solid option until they find a better one. I really don't think Geno has the mental makeup to be a success.

Yes, definitely agree. Glennon's TD:INT ration really stands out. I just don't want the Jets to see him as a savior and giving up the farm for him. Yeah, Geno took a huge hit last year. His rookie season was promising too, aside from that November.

I don't think they would have to, nor would I want that.

 

[LBH]

Too bad we couldnt put Penningtons brain in Genos skull :(

 

[Sweet Love]

I'd definitely deal a 5th or 6th rder for Glennon - maybe even a 4th if no other options - nothing higher....and that still wouldnt stop me from grabbing another QB early in the draft. I'm fine letting Geno compete based on his low salary but he in no way deserves to come in as a starter. I'd like the Jets to grab a QB with some experience and a rookie in the 1st 3 rds.

Honestly, they could likely swap players (Geno and Glennon) for relatively no cap differential (I also think TB has cap room too) if TB decides not to go QB in Round 1, or the Jets could get him for next-to-nothing if TB does indeed draft a QB and are faced with having to get rid of Glennon.

 

[Kiddnets]

Sounds like Glennon is on the block - 4th rder?

Pewter Report says the Bucs would have to receive at least a fourth-round pick to even consider trading QB Mike Glennon.
The Bucs are gearing up to take a quarterback, either Marcus Mariota or Jameis Winston, with the first pick. Glennon's sophomore campaign yielded mixed results; his quarterback rating stayed about the same but his completion percentage fell under 58 percent. According to Reynolds, Tampa Bay would be "ecstatic" to receive a second-round pick for Glennon, but would probably settle for a third or fourth-rounder. The Buccaneers would likely use that pick on an offensive lineman to protect whatever quarterback they end up drafting. The Browns, Bills, Jets, Texans, Rams, Bears, Redskins and Titans are all in the market for a quarterback.

 

[Sammy B]

Sounds like Glennon is on the block - 4th rder?

Pewter Report says the Bucs would have to receive at least a fourth-round pick to even consider trading QB Mike Glennon.
The Bucs are gearing up to take a quarterback, either Marcus Mariota or Jameis Winston, with the first pick. Glennon's sophomore campaign yielded mixed results; his quarterback rating stayed about the same but his completion percentage fell under 58 percent. According to Reynolds, Tampa Bay would be "ecstatic" to receive a second-round pick for Glennon, but would probably settle for a third or fourth-rounder. The Buccaneers would likely use that pick on an offensive lineman to protect whatever quarterback they end up drafting. The Browns, Bills, Jets, Texans, Rams, Bears, Redskins and Titans are all in the market for a quarterback.

So if the Jets trade a 4th for Glennon (the highest pick I'd give) should they look into trading down from 6th? I'd be all for it based on what kind of picks they'd get in return.

 

[Kiddnets]

Sounds like Glennon is on the block - 4th rder?

Pewter Report says the Bucs would have to receive at least a fourth-round pick to even consider trading QB Mike Glennon.
The Bucs are gearing up to take a quarterback, either Marcus Mariota or Jameis Winston, with the first pick. Glennon's sophomore campaign yielded mixed results; his quarterback rating stayed about the same but his completion percentage fell under 58 percent. According to Reynolds, Tampa Bay would be "ecstatic" to receive a second-round pick for Glennon, but would probably settle for a third or fourth-rounder. The Buccaneers would likely use that pick on an offensive lineman to protect whatever quarterback they end up drafting. The Browns, Bills, Jets, Texans, Rams, Bears, Redskins and Titans are all in the market for a quarterback.

So if the Jets trade a 4th for Glennon (the highest pick I'd give) should they look into trading down from 6th? I'd be all for it based on what kind of picks they'd get in return.

If possible it would be best to wait and see if Mariotta/Winston fall to #6 - if one does fall and if he grades as a possible franchise QB you grab him.....if none fall or grade out then a trade down makes sense along with trading for Glennon....quite frankly it may not be a bad idea to deal a 4th rder and choose Mariotta/Winston at #6 so they arent rushed. It's time to develop a QB and not just throw him to the wolves

 

[QuizGuy66]

I think you guys would want to keep the pick if Cooper is there at 6 as well.

If Mariota is sitting there and the Jets brass don't love him then you could consider what kind of ransom the Eagles could throw your way.

-QG

 

[njherdfan]

I love the orange plane. That is all.

 

[rockaction]

I love the orange plane. That is all.

Orange plane? Please do tell...

 

[Bracie Smathers]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2362711-2015-nfl-draft-matt-millers-pre-combine-scouting-notebook

— This is a draft article, but first a very credible rumor that will affect the draft: I'm told the New York Jets plan to roll out the red carpet for Demaryius Thomas if he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the Denver Broncos.

 

[QuizGuy66]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2362711-2015-nfl-draft-matt-millers-pre-combine-scouting-notebook

— This is a draft article, but first a very credible rumor that will affect the draft: I'm told the New York Jets plan to roll out the red carpet for Demaryius Thomas if he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the Denver Broncos.

Broncos East?

-QG

 

[Kiddnets]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2362711-2015-nfl-draft-matt-millers-pre-combine-scouting-notebook

— This is a draft article, but first a very credible rumor that will affect the draft: I'm told the New York Jets plan to roll out the red carpet for Demaryius Thomas if he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the Denver Broncos.

Broncos East?

-QG

All that would be missing is a Hall of Fame QB lol...love the idea though!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2362711-2015-nfl-draft-matt-millers-pre-combine-scouting-notebook

— This is a draft article, but first a very credible rumor that will affect the draft: I'm told the New York Jets plan to roll out the red carpet for Demaryius Thomas if he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the Denver Broncos.

If this was true, it would be pretty stupid to leak the fact that you'll go hard after a player IF he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the team that has that option available to it.

While I'd love it on some level, I'm not sure it's wise to tie up that much money on the WR position. Decker's contract isn't crippling at all but paying him and Thomas may be a bit much - considering they have nothing at QB right now.

 

[Fariq]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2362711-2015-nfl-draft-matt-millers-pre-combine-scouting-notebook

This is a draft article, but first a very credible rumor that will affect the draft: I'm told the New York Jets plan to roll out the red carpet for Demaryius Thomas if he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the Denver Broncos.

If this was true, it would be pretty stupid to leak the fact that you'll go hard after a player IF he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the team that has that option available to it.

While I'd love it on some level, I'm not sure it's wise to tie up that much money on the WR position. Decker's contract isn't crippling at all but paying him and Thomas may be a bit much - considering they have nothing at QB right now.

Sometimes it is good to have the WR first (see Dallas drafting Irvin first and Aikman the next year). In the end, you need both- good WR corps and a good QB- of course. Thomas, Decker and Kerley catching passes from Smith or some free agent addition could have the Jets competitive immediately. The long term QB might not be acquired till the 2016 draft. I don't know. Point I am trying to make is Jets might not be really good till 2016. So, get the good players whenever you can get them. The WR free agent crop might be better this year than next.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2362711-2015-nfl-draft-matt-millers-pre-combine-scouting-notebook

This is a draft article, but first a very credible rumor that will affect the draft: I'm told the New York Jets plan to roll out the red carpet for Demaryius Thomas if he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the Denver Broncos.

If this was true, it would be pretty stupid to leak the fact that you'll go hard after a player IF he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the team that has that option available to it.

While I'd love it on some level, I'm not sure it's wise to tie up that much money on the WR position. Decker's contract isn't crippling at all but paying him and Thomas may be a bit much - considering they have nothing at QB right now.

Sometimes it is good to have the WR first (see Dallas drafting Irvin first and Aikman the next year). In the end, you need both- good WR corps and a good QB- of course. Thomas, Decker and Kerley catching passes from Smith or some free agent addition could have the Jets competitive immediately. The long term QB might not be acquired till the 2016 draft. I don't know. Point I am trying to make is Jets might not be really good till 2016. So, get the good players whenever you can get them. The WR free agent crop might be better this year than next.

Sure, but a better example of your Dallas analogy would be draft Amari Cooper (not that he's a Hall of Famer) this year and get your QB next year.

In the salary cap era tieing up huge money on WRs may not be the best route to take. I'm not 100% against it, but it would depend on what they had to pay to make it happen. While they have a ton of cap space right now, we all know that a few bad contracts and all of a sudden a team is in cap hell.

I do like the idea of pairing Decker and Thomas up, which could make an average QB (like say Fitzpatrick or Glennon) look like a good to very good QB though.

 

[LBH]

Can't see DThomas leaving Denver in any case. They would be more likely to tag him and let Julius walk imo

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Can't see DThomas leaving Denver in any case. They would be more likely to tag him and let Julius walk imo

I agree. Likely not even worth discussing.

 

[Fariq]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2362711-2015-nfl-draft-matt-millers-pre-combine-scouting-notebook

This is a draft article, but first a very credible rumor that will affect the draft: I'm told the New York Jets plan to roll out the red carpet for Demaryius Thomas if he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the Denver Broncos.

If this was true, it would be pretty stupid to leak the fact that you'll go hard after a player IF he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the team that has that option available to it.

While I'd love it on some level, I'm not sure it's wise to tie up that much money on the WR position. Decker's contract isn't crippling at all but paying him and Thomas may be a bit much - considering they have nothing at QB right now.

Sometimes it is good to have the WR first (see Dallas drafting Irvin first and Aikman the next year). In the end, you need both- good WR corps and a good QB- of course. Thomas, Decker and Kerley catching passes from Smith or some free agent addition could have the Jets competitive immediately. The long term QB might not be acquired till the 2016 draft. I don't know. Point I am trying to make is Jets might not be really good till 2016. So, get the good players whenever you can get them. The WR free agent crop might be better this year than next.

Sure, but a better example of your Dallas analogy would be draft Amari Cooper (not that he's a Hall of Famer) this year and get your QB next year.

In the salary cap era tieing up huge money on WRs may not be the best route to take. I'm not 100% against it, but it would depend on what they had to pay to make it happen. While they have a ton of cap space right now, we all know that a few bad contracts and all of a sudden a team is in cap hell.

I do like the idea of pairing Decker and Thomas up, which could make an average QB (like say Fitzpatrick or Glennon) look like a good to very good QB though.

Yes, all true. I am not crazy about the Jets landing Thomas anyway because of cap ramifications. Denver may not let him get loose anyway.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2362711-2015-nfl-draft-matt-millers-pre-combine-scouting-notebook

— This is a draft article, but first a very credible rumor that will affect the draft: I'm told the New York Jets plan to roll out the red carpet for Demaryius Thomas if he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the Denver Broncos.

If this was true, it would be pretty stupid to leak the fact that you'll go hard after a player IF he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the team that has that option available to it.

While I'd love it on some level, I'm not sure it's wise to tie up that much money on the WR position. Decker's contract isn't crippling at all but paying him and Thomas may be a bit much - considering they have nothing at QB right now.

I don't know.

This way they are informing Demaryius that if he holds out and does not sign to an extension that at least one team would pay him franchise money so if the Broncos don't offer him an extension of at least how much he'd get if he were franchised then he could expect the Jets would make him that sort of offer.

Now Denver might be forced to franchise Demaryius and I don't think they want to do that. I'm sure they'd like to make him an offer of much less but now with that 'rumor' sitting out there Demaryius' agent can demand franchise WR money.

The Jets wouldn't have to use their top draft pick on a WR. They might take a franchise QB with their top pick.

I dunno if they leaked this 'rumor' or if Demaryius Thomas' camp leaked this 'rumor' but if it was the Jets it doesn't seem too dumb to me.

 

[LBH]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2362711-2015-nfl-draft-matt-millers-pre-combine-scouting-notebook

This is a draft article, but first a very credible rumor that will affect the draft: I'm told the New York Jets plan to roll out the red carpet for Demaryius Thomas if he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the Denver Broncos.

If this was true, it would be pretty stupid to leak the fact that you'll go hard after a player IF he doesn't receive the franchise tag from the team that has that option available to it.

While I'd love it on some level, I'm not sure it's wise to tie up that much money on the WR position. Decker's contract isn't crippling at all but paying him and Thomas may be a bit much - considering they have nothing at QB right now.

I don't know. This way they are informing Demaryius that if he holds out and does not sign to an extension that at least one team would pay him franchise money so if the Broncos don't offer him an extension of at least how much he'd get if he were franchised then he could expect the Jets would make him that sort of offer.

Now Denver might be forced to franchise Demaryius and I don't think they want to do that. I'm sure they'd like to make him an offer of much less but now with that 'rumor' sitting out there Demaryius' agent can demand franchise WR money.

The Jets wouldn't have to use their top draft pick on a WR. They might take a franchise QB with their top pick.

I dunno if they leaked this 'rumor' or if Demaryius Thomas' camp leaked this 'rumor' but if it was the Jets it doesn't seem too dumb to me.

i don't think any rumors would have any bearing on his contract negotiations with the Broncos. The Broncos are going to have to give him a huge contract fitting a top tier WR or slap him with the franchise tag.

 

[njherdfan]

So the Jets will be keeping Babin and Pace and cutting Chris Johnson. I have no complaints with any of that.

 

[rockaction]

So the Jets will be keeping Babin and Pace and cutting Chris Johnson. I have no complaints with any of that.

Johnson's signing was an indication of complete incompetence by the front office. You had Ivory and Powell. There was no need for this guy.

I'm glad the Jets are turning the page in every respect.

 

[TLEF316]

cj looked decent in the preseason. I didn't think a comeback (to the point of being a capable change of pace) was completely far fetched.

Turned out he was done. Whatever. That ranks about #65 on the list of idzik brain farts

 

[njherdfan]

cj looked decent in the preseason. I didn't think a comeback (to the point of being a capable change of pace) was completely far fetched.

Turned out he was done. Whatever. That ranks about #65 on the list of idzik brain farts

Yeah, this. I'm hoping they sign Helu although it seems more likely that it will be Spiller.

 

[sheerterror]

http://nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-jets-place-pull-blockbuster-draft-trade-article-1.2117943?utm_content=buffer6e4e8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=mmehta+twitter

It's Manish - but he talks about the [pure speculation] of the Jets moving number 6 if Mariota is there for Foles, and the Eagles' 1st and 2nd's this year and next. Sign me up.

Full disclaimer, I don't think, in my wildest dreams this will end up happening, but it brings the potential of an answer at QB in Foles. OK, not particularly likely, but he's got NFL experience and has shown capability at this level - you never know. Adding 3 additional picks to the mix with a front office that, in theory, knows what it's doing from a talent evaluation standpoint, can shore up some weaknesses very quickly. Furthermore, we have ammo for next years draft if a player they deem potential franchise QB is available.

 

[rockaction]

cj looked decent in the preseason. I didn't think a comeback (to the point of being a capable change of pace) was completely far fetched.

Turned out he was done. Whatever. That ranks about #65 on the list of idzik brain farts

Yeah, this. I'm hoping they sign Helu although it seems more likely that it will be Spiller.

Funny, I'm not sure if we go back into the 2014 thread that there'd be anything like this from you two guys. I sort of remember being the first to get all over Idzik.

But hindsight and selective memory is a funny thing. I'm just pointing it out. Perhaps you guys did, and I'm just mistaken.

Johnson at that salary cost us the opportunity cost of Revis at a reasonable one. And then NE went out and won the championship.

 

[Faust]

The Jets Would Be Idiots to Trade the 6th Pick (Marcus Mariota) For Nick Foles and Draft Picks

 

[njherdfan]

cj looked decent in the preseason. I didn't think a comeback (to the point of being a capable change of pace) was completely far fetched.

Turned out he was done. Whatever. That ranks about #65 on the list of idzik brain farts

Yeah, this. I'm hoping they sign Helu although it seems more likely that it will be Spiller.

Funny, I'm not sure if we go back into the 2014 thread that there'd be anything like this from you two guys. I sort of remember being the first to get all over Idzik.

But hindsight and selective memory is a funny thing. I'm just pointing it out. Perhaps you guys did, and I'm just mistaken.

Johnson at that salary cost us the opportunity cost of Revis at a reasonable one. And then NE went out and won the championship.

What? The Jets went into the season about 25 million dollars under the cap. Revis had a salary of about 14 million this year. There are well documented reasons that Revis didn't come back here, but Johnson's contract was not one of them.

 

[Righetti]

cj looked decent in the preseason. I didn't think a comeback (to the point of being a capable change of pace) was completely far fetched.

Turned out he was done. Whatever. That ranks about #65 on the list of idzik brain farts

Yeah, this. I'm hoping they sign Helu although it seems more likely that it will be Spiller.

Funny, I'm not sure if we go back into the 2014 thread that there'd be anything like this from you two guys. I sort of remember being the first to get all over Idzik.

But hindsight and selective memory is a funny thing. I'm just pointing it out. Perhaps you guys did, and I'm just mistaken.

Johnson at that salary cost us the opportunity cost of Revis at a reasonable one. And then NE went out and won the championship.

What? The Jets went into the season about 25 million dollars under the cap. Revis had a salary of about 14 million this year. There are well documented reasons that Revis didn't come back here, but Johnson's contract was not one of them.

I had the same thought..CJ2k had morning to do with Revis. The Jets had the money and their coach desperately wanted him but the front office didn't so much as make a phone call to see if he was interested

 

[Kiddnets]

http://nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-jets-place-pull-blockbuster-draft-trade-article-1.2117943?utm_content=buffer6e4e8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=mmehta+twitter

It's Manish - but he talks about the [pure speculation] of the Jets moving number 6 if Mariota is there for Foles, and the Eagles' 1st and 2nd's this year and next. Sign me up.

Full disclaimer, I don't think, in my wildest dreams this will end up happening, but it brings the potential of an answer at QB in Foles. OK, not particularly likely, but he's got NFL experience and has shown capability at this level - you never know. Adding 3 additional picks to the mix with a front office that, in theory, knows what it's doing from a talent evaluation standpoint, can shore up some weaknesses very quickly. Furthermore, we have ammo for next years draft if a player they deem potential franchise QB is available.

http://nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-jets-place-pull-blockbuster-draft-trade-article-1.2117943?utm_content=buffer6e4e8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=mmehta+twitter

It's Manish - but he talks about the [pure speculation] of the Jets moving number 6 if Mariota is there for Foles, and the Eagles' 1st and 2nd's this year and next. Sign me up.

Full disclaimer, I don't think, in my wildest dreams this will end up happening, but it brings the potential of an answer at QB in Foles. OK, not particularly likely, but he's got NFL experience and has shown capability at this level - you never know. Adding 3 additional picks to the mix with a front office that, in theory, knows what it's doing from a talent evaluation standpoint, can shore up some weaknesses very quickly. Furthermore, we have ammo for next years draft if a player they deem potential franchise QB is available.

would be a great haul but if Mariotta turned out to be a legit franchise QB it would be devastating......

 

[Sweet Love]

The Jets Would Be Idiots to Trade the 6th Pick (Marcus Mariota) For Nick Foles and Draft Picks

Little bit of wrong in the article:

1) Lets get this out on the table: In 2013 (one year ago), Foles threw for 27 TDs, 2 INTs, and rushed for 3 more TDs. The young man was 24 at the time. I am a 40 year-old man who is a lifelong Jets fan. During my lifetime the best years for a Jets QB have been a a 29/7 year for Vinny and a 25/8 year by Ken O'Brien...beyond those two, the Jets landscape has been smattered by 16/17 years for decades. Understand, what Foles pulled off is a 1 in 20 year phenomena for me.

2) "Good luck building a contender paying Nick Foles over $10 million a year" - Well, unless I am getting a winning QB on his rookie contract, any bonafide starting QB in the NFL commands $15 million plus per year. The other good ones are on their rookie contracts. If we can get a "normal" (and I can't understate "normal") QB for north of $10 million a year, sign me up every day of the week.

3) Roster status - Really? Not in bad shape? It is pretty piss poor in general. The O-Line needs guards, desperately. We could also use some depth there in general. Well, we do need a QB, and likely a RB...these are relatively small holes to fill until you realize your secondary is a hot mess. We are talking two CB, and one Safety territory, not to mention a rushing OLB. We do not have the picks to add 7-8 starters...we will have holes.

I love the optimism, but do not see what the author is seeing.

 

[rockaction]

cj looked decent in the preseason. I didn't think a comeback (to the point of being a capable change of pace) was completely far fetched.

Turned out he was done. Whatever. That ranks about #65 on the list of idzik brain farts

Yeah, this. I'm hoping they sign Helu although it seems more likely that it will be Spiller.

Funny, I'm not sure if we go back into the 2014 thread that there'd be anything like this from you two guys. I sort of remember being the first to get all over Idzik.

But hindsight and selective memory is a funny thing. I'm just pointing it out. Perhaps you guys did, and I'm just mistaken.

Johnson at that salary cost us the opportunity cost of Revis at a reasonable one. And then NE went out and won the championship.

What? The Jets went into the season about 25 million dollars under the cap. Revis had a salary of about 14 million this year. There are well documented reasons that Revis didn't come back here, but Johnson's contract was not one of them.

Please point out to me when I said Revis should be signed and you were okay with him not being signed. Because that happened repeatedly, and was all about the cap space that you all were on Idzik's dickfor at the start of 2014. And don't try to deny it, nj. Love ya, but don't.

Love,

Rock Action

 

[njherdfan]

cj looked decent in the preseason. I didn't think a comeback (to the point of being a capable change of pace) was completely far fetched.

Turned out he was done. Whatever. That ranks about #65 on the list of idzik brain farts

Yeah, this. I'm hoping they sign Helu although it seems more likely that it will be Spiller.

Funny, I'm not sure if we go back into the 2014 thread that there'd be anything like this from you two guys. I sort of remember being the first to get all over Idzik.

But hindsight and selective memory is a funny thing. I'm just pointing it out. Perhaps you guys did, and I'm just mistaken.

Johnson at that salary cost us the opportunity cost of Revis at a reasonable one. And then NE went out and won the championship.

What? The Jets went into the season about 25 million dollars under the cap. Revis had a salary of about 14 million this year. There are well documented reasons that Revis didn't come back here, but Johnson's contract was not one of them.

Please point out to me when I said Revis should be signed and you were okay with him not being signed. Because that happened repeatedly, and was all about the cap space that you all were on Idzik's dickfor at the start of 2014. And don't try to deny it, nj. Love ya, but don't.

Love,

Rock Action

I have no idea what you're talking about. First you said that the reason Revis didn't sign here was because the Jets spend 4 million dollars on Chris Johnson. That didn't make any sense. The reason Revis didn't come here is because Woody had no interest in ever negotiating with Revis's agents again. The Jets never even made Revis an offer; it wasn't a money issue.

As for the CJ signing, my thoughts are here, and they're consistent with what I've said throughout. The signing didn't end up working out, but on the list of Idzik's awful moves, signing CJ is way at the bottom.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

3) Roster status - Really? Not in bad shape? It is pretty piss poor in general. The O-Line needs guards, desperately. We could also use some depth there in general. Well, we do need a QB, and likely a RB...these are relatively small holes to fill until you realize your secondary is a hot mess. We are talking two CB, and one Safety territory, not to mention a rushing OLB. We do not have the picks to add 7-8 starters...we will have holes.

While I don't agree with the article generally (in fact I believe it would practically be a no brainer to accept that offer) I think part of the roster "not in bad shape" view is that the team will have massive salary cap space that should allow filling some of the holes (G, CB, WR, MiLB) with still leaving some cap room and the draft to fill out the rest of the roster.

Also I don't think the safety position is as desperate once they sign some corners and can return Antonio Allen back to FS. Jaiquan Jarrett looked pretty good down the stretch and while Calvin Pryor struggled as a rookie, I believe he was mostly playing out of position as the cover safety instead of the in the box safety that he should be. With Allen at CB, the team had a bunch of safeties like Taylor and Landry that were better suited to play the run than to be in coverage. They could use some depth/upgrades of course, but it's not a barren landscape.

 

[sheerterror]

http://nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-jets-place-pull-blockbuster-draft-trade-article-1.2117943?utm_content=buffer6e4e8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=mmehta+twitter

It's Manish - but he talks about the [pure speculation] of the Jets moving number 6 if Mariota is there for Foles, and the Eagles' 1st and 2nd's this year and next. Sign me up.

Full disclaimer, I don't think, in my wildest dreams this will end up happening, but it brings the potential of an answer at QB in Foles. OK, not particularly likely, but he's got NFL experience and has shown capability at this level - you never know. Adding 3 additional picks to the mix with a front office that, in theory, knows what it's doing from a talent evaluation standpoint, can shore up some weaknesses very quickly. Furthermore, we have ammo for next years draft if a player they deem potential franchise QB is available.

http://nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-jets-place-pull-blockbuster-draft-trade-article-1.2117943?utm_content=buffer6e4e8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=mmehta+twitter

It's Manish - but he talks about the [pure speculation] of the Jets moving number 6 if Mariota is there for Foles, and the Eagles' 1st and 2nd's this year and next. Sign me up.

Full disclaimer, I don't think, in my wildest dreams this will end up happening, but it brings the potential of an answer at QB in Foles. OK, not particularly likely, but he's got NFL experience and has shown capability at this level - you never know. Adding 3 additional picks to the mix with a front office that, in theory, knows what it's doing from a talent evaluation standpoint, can shore up some weaknesses very quickly. Furthermore, we have ammo for next years draft if a player they deem potential franchise QB is available.

would be a great haul but if Mariotta turned out to be a legit franchise QB it would be devastating......

Big IF...plus I think it becomes apples to oranges if he goes to Philly and becomes a franchise QB. Given that Kelly's system is tailor made for his skill set, it would be a hard assumption to think he could have, in theory, had the same type of career and production as a Jet.

I kind of equate it to the Islanders getting rid of all those future studs in the 90s/early 2000s....looks like crap in hindsight, but there's a great chance that guys like Luongo, Chara, Spezza etc. never would have materialized into what they were having been stuck with an organization that, at the time, struggled majorly to develop its talent to the fullest potential.

 

[sheerterror]

The Jets Would Be Idiots to Trade the 6th Pick (Marcus Mariota) For Nick Foles and Draft Picks

Little bit of wrong in the article:

1) Lets get this out on the table: In 2013 (one year ago), Foles threw for 27 TDs, 2 INTs, and rushed for 3 more TDs. The young man was 24 at the time. I am a 40 year-old man who is a lifelong Jets fan. During my lifetime the best years for a Jets QB have been a a 29/7 year for Vinny and a 25/8 year by Ken O'Brien...beyond those two, the Jets landscape has been smattered by 16/17 years for decades. Understand, what Foles pulled off is a 1 in 20 year phenomena for me.

2) "Good luck building a contender paying Nick Foles over $10 million a year" - Well, unless I am getting a winning QB on his rookie contract, any bonafide starting QB in the NFL commands $15 million plus per year. The other good ones are on their rookie contracts. If we can get a "normal" (and I can't understate "normal") QB for north of $10 million a year, sign me up every day of the week.

3) Roster status - Really? Not in bad shape? It is pretty piss poor in general. The O-Line needs guards, desperately. We could also use some depth there in general. Well, we do need a QB, and likely a RB...these are relatively small holes to fill until you realize your secondary is a hot mess. We are talking two CB, and one Safety territory, not to mention a rushing OLB. We do not have the picks to add 7-8 starters...we will have holes.

I love the optimism, but do not see what the author is seeing.

I think he also really harps way too much on Foles being the centerpiece of the trade, whereas I view him as slightly above throw-in status...the real return on this hypothetical deal is 3 additional picks inside the first two rounds over the next two drafts.

 

[rockaction]

cj looked decent in the preseason. I didn't think a comeback (to the point of being a capable change of pace) was completely far fetched.

Turned out he was done. Whatever. That ranks about #65 on the list of idzik brain farts

Yeah, this. I'm hoping they sign Helu although it seems more likely that it will be Spiller.

Funny, I'm not sure if we go back into the 2014 thread that there'd be anything like this from you two guys. I sort of remember being the first to get all over Idzik.

But hindsight and selective memory is a funny thing. I'm just pointing it out. Perhaps you guys did, and I'm just mistaken.

Johnson at that salary cost us the opportunity cost of Revis at a reasonable one. And then NE went out and won the championship.

What? The Jets went into the season about 25 million dollars under the cap. Revis had a salary of about 14 million this year. There are well documented reasons that Revis didn't come back here, but Johnson's contract was not one of them.

Please point out to me when I said Revis should be signed and you were okay with him not being signed. Because that happened repeatedly, and was all about the cap space that you all were on Idzik's dickfor at the start of 2014. And don't try to deny it, nj. Love ya, but don't.

Love,

Rock Action

I have no idea what you're talking about. First you said that the reason Revis didn't sign here was because the Jets spend 4 million dollars on Chris Johnson. That didn't make any sense. The reason Revis didn't come here is because Woody had no interest in ever negotiating with Revis's agents again. The Jets never even made Revis an offer; it wasn't a money issue.

As for the CJ signing, my thoughts are here, and they're consistent with what I've said throughout. The signing didn't end up working out, but on the list of Idzik's awful moves, signing CJ is way at the bottom.

Huh?? Didn't Woody almost tamper with Revis recently? That makes no sense. Word out of Jets camp was both Woody and Rex wanted Revis last year.

Something is dysfunctional. I'm also sure 4M against the cap for a useless running back didn't help when it came to losing out on Revis.

Look, not on the boards to pick a fight with Jet fans. But this thread last year was a lot different, IIRC. (and I mean, IIRC -- memory is faulty)

 

[Reaper]

The Jets Would Be Idiots to Trade the 6th Pick (Marcus Mariota) For Nick Foles and Draft Picks

Little bit of wrong in the article:

1) Lets get this out on the table: In 2013 (one year ago), Foles threw for 27 TDs, 2 INTs, and rushed for 3 more TDs. The young man was 24 at the time. I am a 40 year-old man who is a lifelong Jets fan. During my lifetime the best years for a Jets QB have been a a 29/7 year for Vinny and a 25/8 year by Ken O'Brien...beyond those two, the Jets landscape has been smattered by 16/17 years for decades. Understand, what Foles pulled off is a 1 in 20 year phenomena for me.

2) "Good luck building a contender paying Nick Foles over $10 million a year" - Well, unless I am getting a winning QB on his rookie contract, any bonafide starting QB in the NFL commands $15 million plus per year. The other good ones are on their rookie contracts. If we can get a "normal" (and I can't understate "normal") QB for north of $10 million a year, sign me up every day of the week.

3) Roster status - Really? Not in bad shape? It is pretty piss poor in general. The O-Line needs guards, desperately. We could also use some depth there in general. Well, we do need a QB, and likely a RB...these are relatively small holes to fill until you realize your secondary is a hot mess. We are talking two CB, and one Safety territory, not to mention a rushing OLB. We do not have the picks to add 7-8 starters...we will have holes.

I love the optimism, but do not see what the author is seeing.

I see reason for optimism... I have faith in Bowles seeing what Rex did in recent years, filling holes at CB and pass rush and being a better teacher in the secondary....

Haven't been a fan of Cromartie, especially last year off injury but, I do like that Bowles knows what he can get from him if he does go that route...

Either way, with their FA money you can bet the house they add pieces, OL too.

Also the 1st draft for this HC/GM - You would have to hope they nail what looks to be an impact player at QB, OLB, WR or G... If it's me I take the QB if he's there...

Not a fan of Foles... Why would PHI let the guy go if he could replicate those #'s in a system he already knows??

I can go either way with Harvin but, I'd certainly spend his 10mill plus a good deal more for a DT, Dez or even Cobb.

 

[Fariq]

Mariota, Bell and Dupree among players who had interviews with the Jets.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/02/players_to_visit_with_jets_at_2015_nfl_combine.html

 

[Kiddnets]

This off season has to be about upgrading the offense.

White looked like a beast at the combine - gotta think he or Cooper will be there at #6 - if QB is off the board I'm thinking one of them 2 would be a great addition.

If I can dream a bit....add Iuapati, Cobb and Spiller in the off season; draft Cooper/White at #6 and a QB in rd 2-4.....Jets are back to a dynamic offense even with Geno or a retread like Fitz at QB while rookie develops. .

 

[Dr. Octopus]

After attending the NFL Combine, ESPN New York's Rich Cimini gets the "preliminary sense" that the Jets won't be using the No. 6 overall pick on a quarterback.
Per Cimini, the "vibe close to the organization" is that new GM Mike Maccagnan isn't in "quarterback-or-bust mode." Smith finished 2014 strong and will be an intriguing match for new OC Chan Gailey's Pistol Spread offense, one similar to the system in which Geno played at West Virginia. Smith improved his completion rate, TD-to-INT ratio, and QB rating as a sophomore. His physical skills are superior to any free agent quarterback's.

I'm not 100% sold of Winston or Mariota (for very different reasons) - but think you'd have to take Mariota if he's sitting there, unless the Eagles blow them away as rumored.

While the Pistol offense may be an interesting fit for Geno, and Gainey did make Tyler Thigpen and Ryan Fitzpatrick look decent in it, I'm just not ready to watch another season of Smith making terrible decisions. If it happens, I'll hope he's just a young QB still learning how to succeed and hope Gailey can get something out of him, but they better bring in a veteran like Fitzpatrick or Hoyer that can step in as soon as "bad" Geno shows up.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This off season has to be about upgrading the offense.

White looked like a beast at the combine - gotta think he or Cooper will be there at #6 - if QB is off the board I'm thinking one of them 2 would be a great addition.

If I can dream a bit....add Iuapati, Cobb and Spiller in the off season; draft Cooper/White at #6 and a QB in rd 2-4.....Jets are back to a dynamic offense even with Geno or a retread like Fitz at QB while rookie develops. .

While I think Cobb is a long shot, Iuapati should be their focus in free agency for sure. Spiller would be a nice addition as well. I'd be ok with them spending big on Iapati and a corner (Maxwell, Cromartie, etc.) and shopping at the discount rack at WR (Amendola, Shorts, Royal) so long as they use either their first or second on a WR. Decker, Cooper/White (or Strong/Coates in round 2) , Kerley, Amendola/Shorts and Amaro is more than enough in the passing game provided they get decent quarterback play.

 

[Kiddnets]

Assuming Mariotta has a solid Pro day - I still think that in the end the QBs go #1/2 - either Tenn is bluffing or someone trades up for the slot....any of you guys think the Jets should trade up for Mariotta at #2?

I say no - way to many holes to be giving up picks for a guy who is not a lock in franchise QB.

If he somehow falls to #6 I would consider taking him if he graded out high - but I dont see a scenario where the Jets should trade up for Mariotta.

 

[Fariq]

Assuming Mariotta has a solid Pro day - I still think that in the end the QBs go #1/2 - either Tenn is bluffing or someone trades up for the slot....any of you guys think the Jets should trade up for Mariotta at #2?

I say no - way to many holes to be giving up picks for a guy who is not a lock in franchise QB.

If he somehow falls to #6 I would consider taking him if he graded out high - but I dont see a scenario where the Jets should trade up for Mariotta.

You would consider Mariota at 6 if he fell. So two games he played since the infamous win in Tennessee and you would merely consider Mariota now. Back then it was, "Oh my God. The Jets won and completely ficked their future." No way should the Jets trade up to 2. It would cost too much. I still like Winston more than Mariota. I think Tennessee will draft Leonard Williams or Mariota. There is a decent chance Mariota will be available at pick 6.

 

[njherdfan]

This off season has to be about upgrading the offense.

White looked like a beast at the combine - gotta think he or Cooper will be there at #6 - if QB is off the board I'm thinking one of them 2 would be a great addition.

If I can dream a bit....add Iuapati, Cobb and Spiller in the off season; draft Cooper/White at #6 and a QB in rd 2-4.....Jets are back to a dynamic offense even with Geno or a retread like Fitz at QB while rookie develops. .

While I think Cobb is a long shot, Iuapati should be their focus in free agency for sure. Spiller would be a nice addition as well. I'd be ok with them spending big on Iapati and a corner (Maxwell, Cromartie, etc.) and shopping at the discount rack at WR (Amendola, Shorts, Royal) so long as they use either their first or second on a WR. Decker, Cooper/White (or Strong/Coates in round 2) , Kerley, Amendola/Shorts and Amaro is more than enough in the passing game provided they get decent quarterback play.

Yeah, no excuse not to get Iupati. I also would love McCourty if he ends up hitting the open market.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Assuming Mariotta has a solid Pro day - I still think that in the end the QBs go #1/2 - either Tenn is bluffing or someone trades up for the slot....any of you guys think the Jets should trade up for Mariotta at #2?

I say no - way to many holes to be giving up picks for a guy who is not a lock in franchise QB.

If he somehow falls to #6 I would consider taking him if he graded out high - but I dont see a scenario where the Jets should trade up for Mariotta.

I do not want them to trade up for Mariota, but would be fine with them grabbing him at 6.

 

[Kiddnets]

Assuming Mariotta has a solid Pro day - I still think that in the end the QBs go #1/2 - either Tenn is bluffing or someone trades up for the slot....any of you guys think the Jets should trade up for Mariotta at #2?

I say no - way to many holes to be giving up picks for a guy who is not a lock in franchise QB.

If he somehow falls to #6 I would consider taking him if he graded out high - but I dont see a scenario where the Jets should trade up for Mariotta.

You would consider Mariota at 6 if he fell. So two games he played since the infamous win in Tennessee and you would merely consider Mariota now. Back then it was, "Oh my God. The Jets won and completely ficked their future."No way should the Jets trade up to 2. It would cost too much. I still like Winston more than Mariota. I think Tennessee will draft Leonard Williams or Mariota. There is a decent chance Mariota will be available at pick 6.

True - I still think they screwed up their future winning a game that didnt help their draft position when they were out of it - but I dont blame the players and coaches who obviously wanted to win - just bad luck as usual -

It is funny though - would be something after all of that, Mariotta falls to #6 - but would that be good luck or a signal that he has issues? I still think QBs go #1/#2 at the end of the day but if he does drop to #6 I dont see how the Jets can pass on him.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Thoughts on WR after the combine - sounds like Cooper all of of sudden isn't the top guy on the board which is surprising (figured he'd be the non-QB lock for you guys at #6).

Kinda was hoping the board upgrade would've put the fanicer Jet on my laptop I have to say.

-QG