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✈ 2015 NEW YORK JETS Thread (1 Viewer)
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Interesting. My 1st thought after reading about McCoy. was that must mean Spiller is NY-bound.
Reaper
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AFC EAST... McCoy for Kiko IMO is a great deal for PHI. A RB you might have cut who is declining for a potential LB for the next decade. Feeds right into the wheelhouse of the modern day De-emphasis of the RB....
Granted the AFC east has a new RB to contend with but, some pretty good DL's he'll have to face as well...
If Chip is looking to move up for Mariota and the 6 pick is a target, I'm not too excited about the deals I see floated....
Moving down to 20, picking up a 2nd and a 1st next year???? Mehhhh. Foles?? Mehhhh....
Granted the AFC east has a new RB to contend with but, some pretty good DL's he'll have to face as well...
If Chip is looking to move up for Mariota and the 6 pick is a target, I'm not too excited about the deals I see floated....
Moving down to 20, picking up a 2nd and a 1st next year???? Mehhhh. Foles?? Mehhhh....
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Agreed - Buffalo had to give a 1st next yr to move up 4 spots....to drop from 6 to 20 it would have to be a huge haul...they would be missing out on all the blue chip players - it's also extremely doubtful Philly's pick is a good one next year....
Reaper
Footballguy
Ponied up for NFL Rewind.... Sheesh, that's the way to watch football.
Caught up on the Miami game (was out skiing) where Geno obviously looked good - Man, wr's made some plays...
Just watched the GB game - Geno played good enough - INT at end of half hurt but D had them pinned and gives up 99 yd drive then a 80 yard Jordy TD then negates an INT with 12 men on the field.
Pryor in coverage - my goodness....
Once Decker gets hurt, Geno back to throwing to Salas and that's that - loss by 7 in Lambeau
Gonna get thru the season but, ppl act as if Geno had Harvin and a healthy Decker all year. Kerely also hurt.
Firing up the Geno Bus
Caught up on the Miami game (was out skiing) where Geno obviously looked good - Man, wr's made some plays...
Just watched the GB game - Geno played good enough - INT at end of half hurt but D had them pinned and gives up 99 yd drive then a 80 yard Jordy TD then negates an INT with 12 men on the field.
Pryor in coverage - my goodness....
Once Decker gets hurt, Geno back to throwing to Salas and that's that - loss by 7 in Lambeau
Gonna get thru the season but, ppl act as if Geno had Harvin and a healthy Decker all year. Kerely also hurt.
Firing up the Geno Bus
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Deamon
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No chance they'd get that. They're saying 2 1sts and 2 2nds is about the asking price. Not Foles and a 3rd and a 4th. Especially if the trade is up to #6 and not up to #1.
Would likely be something like: Pick 6 FOR Pick 20 + Foles + 2015 2nd Rounder + 2016 First Rounder + 2016 4th Rounder.
Dr. Octopus
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So if Geno does turn a corner under a new coaching staff, if Miliner stays healthy and becomes at least a solid corner, if Pryor shows better as the "in the box" safety he's better suited for, and the Jets added some key pieces with all the cap room they have - do people start looking at Idzik a little differently.Ponied up for NFL Rewind.... Sheesh, that's the way to watch football.
Caught up on the Miami game (was out skiing) where Geno obviously looked good - Man, wr's made some plays...
Just watched the GB game - Geno played good enough - INT at end of half hurt but D had them pinned and gives up 99 yd drive then a 80 yard Jordy TD then negates an INT with 12 men on the field.
Pryor in coverage - my goodness....
Once Decker gets hurt, Geno back to throwing to Salas and that's that - loss by 7 in Lambeau
Gonna get thru the season but, ppl act as if Geno had Harvin and a healthy Decker all year. Kerely also hurt.
Firing up the Geno Bus
I know that's a lot of "ifs", but they aren't unreasonable - and I certainly wanted Idzik removed - but on some level perhaps we were all a little unfair in completely trashing him.
LBH
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He did a great job getting the Jets out of salary cap hell. I just can't stand the thought of how he screwed us on WR in the draft last year or his refusal to get CB help in FASo if Geno does turn a corner under a new coaching staff, if Miliner stays healthy and becomes at least a solid corner, if Pryor shows better as the "in the box" safety he's better suited for, and the Jets added some key pieces with all the cap room they have - do people start looking at Idzik a little differently.Ponied up for NFL Rewind.... Sheesh, that's the way to watch football.
Caught up on the Miami game (was out skiing) where Geno obviously looked good - Man, wr's made some plays...
Just watched the GB game - Geno played good enough - INT at end of half hurt but D had them pinned and gives up 99 yd drive then a 80 yard Jordy TD then negates an INT with 12 men on the field.
Pryor in coverage - my goodness....
Once Decker gets hurt, Geno back to throwing to Salas and that's that - loss by 7 in Lambeau
Gonna get thru the season but, ppl act as if Geno had Harvin and a healthy Decker all year. Kerely also hurt.
Firing up the Geno Bus
I know that's a lot of "ifs", but they aren't unreasonable - and I certainly wanted Idzik removed - but on some level perhaps we were all a little unfair in completely trashing him.
jwb
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The guy was overmatched. Feeling far more confident with the new regime just based on the few bits we've seen.LBH said:He did a great job getting the Jets out of salary cap hell. I just can't stand the thought of how he screwed us on WR in the draft last year or his refusal to get CB help in FADr. Octopus said:So if Geno does turn a corner under a new coaching staff, if Miliner stays healthy and becomes at least a solid corner, if Pryor shows better as the "in the box" safety he's better suited for, and the Jets added some key pieces with all the cap room they have - do people start looking at Idzik a little differently.Reaper said:Ponied up for NFL Rewind.... Sheesh, that's the way to watch football.
Caught up on the Miami game (was out skiing) where Geno obviously looked good - Man, wr's made some plays...
Just watched the GB game - Geno played good enough - INT at end of half hurt but D had them pinned and gives up 99 yd drive then a 80 yard Jordy TD then negates an INT with 12 men on the field.
Pryor in coverage - my goodness....
Once Decker gets hurt, Geno back to throwing to Salas and that's that - loss by 7 in Lambeau
Gonna get thru the season but, ppl act as if Geno had Harvin and a healthy Decker all year. Kerely also hurt.
Firing up the Geno Bus
I know that's a lot of "ifs", but they aren't unreasonable - and I certainly wanted Idzik removed - but on some level perhaps we were all a little unfair in completely trashing him.
Kiddnets
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Interesting - since its quiet before the storm why not one last look back -Dr. Octopus said:So if Geno does turn a corner under a new coaching staff, if Miliner stays healthy and becomes at least a solid corner, if Pryor shows better as the "in the box" safety he's better suited for, and the Jets added some key pieces with all the cap room they have - do people start looking at Idzik a little differently.Reaper said:Ponied up for NFL Rewind.... Sheesh, that's the way to watch football.
Caught up on the Miami game (was out skiing) where Geno obviously looked good - Man, wr's made some plays...
Just watched the GB game - Geno played good enough - INT at end of half hurt but D had them pinned and gives up 99 yd drive then a 80 yard Jordy TD then negates an INT with 12 men on the field.
Pryor in coverage - my goodness....
Once Decker gets hurt, Geno back to throwing to Salas and that's that - loss by 7 in Lambeau
Gonna get thru the season but, ppl act as if Geno had Harvin and a healthy Decker all year. Kerely also hurt.
Firing up the Geno Bus
I know that's a lot of "ifs", but they aren't unreasonable - and I certainly wanted Idzik removed - but on some level perhaps we were all a little unfair in completely trashing him.
IMO Idzik really didnt do much to get the ream under the cap....anyone would have cut the big 3 contracts which was for a crazy amount of money....I hope some of his players do turn out good....but the critical bungles were too much:
2014 draft - no WRs when it was biggest need on team and a loaded WR draft....kept all 12 picks - showed no creativity in trading up or down....and then whiffed on almost all of them
2014 FA - I'm fine leaving some cash aside for a rainy day but $20M with the holes this team had? Also seemed to lowball too much and by the time he got serious with an offer it was too late - let's not even talk about those CBs! .
PR - nail in the coffin - you cant be the GM of the Jets and have that rambling trainwreck of a press conference at 2-9 (or whatever they were at the time) - you dont have to have Rex's personality but you know fans are pissed and instead of inspiring and demanding accountability/turnaround - he goes out there and praises everyone in the organization including ball boys and secretaries - he was gone at that point.
Still dont have a feel for this regime but am cautiously optimistic - been eerily quiet for a team with so much $ - let's get ready to spend!
Reaper
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I didn't hate Idzik..... I was actually on board with hoarding money and not signing mostly overpriced FA's last year... I respect him for standing his ground - he played last year by his book and didn't make moves in fear of getting fired.... He got fired tho....lol... The Draft killed me (him) and yeah, in retrospect he needed another WR and CB but, not sure that helps a lot.... The whiffs he made in "the greatest WR draft Ever" were just mind blowing... He tried to play it cute and took "Deep WR draft" way too far given the lack of evaluation skills.Dr. Octopus said:So if Geno does turn a corner under a new coaching staff, if Miliner stays healthy and becomes at least a solid corner, if Pryor shows better as the "in the box" safety he's better suited for, and the Jets added some key pieces with all the cap room they have - do people start looking at Idzik a little differently.Reaper said:Ponied up for NFL Rewind.... Sheesh, that's the way to watch football.
Caught up on the Miami game (was out skiing) where Geno obviously looked good - Man, wr's made some plays...
Just watched the GB game - Geno played good enough - INT at end of half hurt but D had them pinned and gives up 99 yd drive then a 80 yard Jordy TD then negates an INT with 12 men on the field.
Pryor in coverage - my goodness....
Once Decker gets hurt, Geno back to throwing to Salas and that's that - loss by 7 in Lambeau
Gonna get thru the season but, ppl act as if Geno had Harvin and a healthy Decker all year. Kerely also hurt.
Firing up the Geno Bus
I know that's a lot of "ifs", but they aren't unreasonable - and I certainly wanted Idzik removed - but on some level perhaps we were all a little unfair in completely trashing him.
Bottom line, for the shape this team was in.. we all knew those 1st 7 games were Brutally insane... We hoped to weather the storm but, CB's and WR"s went down instead of stepping up and that was that.... 1-7 Hole.
Still think there were flashes (Just like Geno tried to say)..... But, the book on Developing a project QB and building an offense is near the opposite of what we have witnessed for too many years here...
Bottom line to me.... Geno or no Geno.... May no Jets QB have to deal with the BS set of WR's and marginal OL that Geno and Sanchez had the past 4 years or so....
I expect Decker / Kerley - A now more experience Amaro to be the minimum with the addition of a Harvin or Better and another WR Plus OL help.
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Dr. Octopus
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Drafting Shaq Evans and Jalen Saunders in Round 4 over Martravis Bryant was a HUGE blunder. I said it during the draft so it's not hindsight.
I also think that Idzik was far too conservative in free agency last season - but (now I am using hindsight) I'm not 100% sure that bringing a few big money players would have made a tremendous difference in a 4-12 season - and I'm very happy they have the abundance of cap space now.
I agree with most of the points and I certainly wanted to get rid of him - I will always be grateful that he managed to turn a guy that otherwise might have been cut and was a tremendous headache each offseason into the No. 13 overall pick (Sheldon Richardson).
I do think better days are ahead if Mac makes the right moves this offseason.
I also think that Idzik was far too conservative in free agency last season - but (now I am using hindsight) I'm not 100% sure that bringing a few big money players would have made a tremendous difference in a 4-12 season - and I'm very happy they have the abundance of cap space now.
I agree with most of the points and I certainly wanted to get rid of him - I will always be grateful that he managed to turn a guy that otherwise might have been cut and was a tremendous headache each offseason into the No. 13 overall pick (Sheldon Richardson).
I do think better days are ahead if Mac makes the right moves this offseason.
Reaper
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Starting to agree with many that McCourty could be one of the biggest FA targets which would allow them to keep Pryor close to the LOS and as a Blitzer....
That GB game was horrible for Pryor, then again, like Geno year 1, What the hell is a player who everyone knows is a project (at FS) doing as the key cog VS Aaron Rodgers in week 2??????
You can see the CB looking back at Pryor - "You got this right??" expecting over the top help and Pryor's 1st two steps taking him totally out of the play..... Over and Over again.....
Can't wait to watch Buffalo Games tonight :(
That GB game was horrible for Pryor, then again, like Geno year 1, What the hell is a player who everyone knows is a project (at FS) doing as the key cog VS Aaron Rodgers in week 2??????
You can see the CB looking back at Pryor - "You got this right??" expecting over the top help and Pryor's 1st two steps taking him totally out of the play..... Over and Over again.....
Can't wait to watch Buffalo Games tonight :(
Kiddnets
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I'm tired of having a crappy offense - I miss the days of having an explosive offense.......The defense definitely needs a CB which must be addressed as well but I really want to spend/draft on the offense for once....Franklin, Cobb/Maclin, Spiller/Vereen....with Mariotta or one of the stud WRs in FA would put this offense in a position to succeed not matter who is the QB.
Dr. Octopus
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He's a Rutgers guy so perhaps he'd like to stay home. He'd definitely fill a big need, and from what I understand this draft is not very deep at the safety position.
My plan:
- Spend "big" money on Maxwell (or "settle" for Cromartie), McCourty and Iaputi.
- Bargain shop at WR: Shorts, Amendola (if released), Royal, etc. - and the perhaps use pick 6 or second rounder on WR if the value is there.
- Bring in a veteran QB - I'm starting to think Jake Locker may be a sneaky move considering how Tyler Thigpen was successful under Chan Gailey.
- Spend a 3rd or 4th round pick at RB to compliment Ivory - maybe sign a guy like Helu if he comes cheap. I wouldn't be upset at spending a little more to get CJ Spiller or Vereen either.
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Dr. Octopus
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The thing is until you have a QB - your offense will be "crappy" regardless most likely. Spending big money at WR means little if Geno is Geno.
A good QB can work with Decker, Cooper/White/Strong, Shorts, Kerely, Amaro and Cumberland.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
True but I dont think they need a "franchise QB" to have an explosive offense - Kenny O'Brien was a solid but certainly not great Qb and the offense was explosive. Good playmakers turn a lousy QB into an avg one....an average QB into a good one.....Montana would have a tough looking good with the crappy offense the Jets have had the past few years....
Reaper
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Funny thing about Mariotta is he has the same exact lack of pro-Offense experience - Lack of having to read defenses, lack of snaps under center or even huddling / calling plays as Geno had... Ask Pat Kirwin and he says what fixes that is REPS - a lot of em, a few years for project QB's!!!!!!! WITH reliable targets he can grow with and trust...
Granted, the Jet offense is better already but, If Mariotta had to start right away given the same core and situation Geno had, I say we're in the same exact boat with ppl calling him Trash!!!
That said, I've got crazy QB envy never really having had one... I draft Mariotta and let them fight it out...
Geno might help him out if they work together - He'd be like "Dude, when I was thrown into the NFL on day 1 my WR"s were Spadola, Greg Salas, Stephen Hill and David Nelson... to go with Kerley"
Just funny reading about developing an offense and the consistency he needs to know where and when a WR is going to be and looking at this recent Jets offense..... Again even last year a Healthy Harvin, Decker and Kerley were rare.
Granted, the Jet offense is better already but, If Mariotta had to start right away given the same core and situation Geno had, I say we're in the same exact boat with ppl calling him Trash!!!
That said, I've got crazy QB envy never really having had one... I draft Mariotta and let them fight it out...
Geno might help him out if they work together - He'd be like "Dude, when I was thrown into the NFL on day 1 my WR"s were Spadola, Greg Salas, Stephen Hill and David Nelson... to go with Kerley"
Just funny reading about developing an offense and the consistency he needs to know where and when a WR is going to be and looking at this recent Jets offense..... Again even last year a Healthy Harvin, Decker and Kerley were rare.
Fariq
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How many games did you actually watch?
Reaper
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Watched every game during the year....
Watching with coaches tape where you can clearly see Pryor pre-snap is a whole new ball game...
Watched Miami and GB so far with coaches tape.
Fariq
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An earlier post made it read that you skipped the Week 17 game to go skiing.
njherdfan
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A couple things
1. Pryor was horrific in coverage last year, which is the main reason we need McCourty or someone else to play the deep safety role. It's still unclear who was supposed to play that role last year. Rex made comments that Pryor was playing out of position, but it's unclear who was supposed to fill that role.
2. While Geno was certainly good in a few games last year, it's worth noting that when he's bad he's REALLY bad. His mistakes often turn in to points for the other team, and he's still very careless with the ball. To offset that, his "good" games need to be a lot better.
3. I don't want Harvin back at that salary. I'd much rather spend the 6th pick on either Cooper or Kevin White.
4. Iupati or Orlando Franklin definitely needs to end up here.
1. Pryor was horrific in coverage last year, which is the main reason we need McCourty or someone else to play the deep safety role. It's still unclear who was supposed to play that role last year. Rex made comments that Pryor was playing out of position, but it's unclear who was supposed to fill that role.
2. While Geno was certainly good in a few games last year, it's worth noting that when he's bad he's REALLY bad. His mistakes often turn in to points for the other team, and he's still very careless with the ball. To offset that, his "good" games need to be a lot better.
3. I don't want Harvin back at that salary. I'd much rather spend the 6th pick on either Cooper or Kevin White.
4. Iupati or Orlando Franklin definitely needs to end up here.
Kiddnets
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Interesting....
ESPN's Adam Schefter believes the Jets will attempt to pay Darrelle Revis "anything he wants" if/when he becomes a free agent.
Schefter believes the Revis sweepstakes will come down to the Jets and Patriots. The Jets made the difficult, but likely correct, decision to trade Revis two years ago, but meddlesome owner Woody Johnson has apparently felt regret. The New York media has spent the better part of two years beating the drum for Revis' return. Johnson seems to feel the pressure. Whatever the motivations, Revis would fill a huge need for Gang Green, and be playing for a coach in Todd Bowles who maximizes talent and scheme much the same way Rex Ryan does.
ESPN's Adam Schefter believes the Jets will attempt to pay Darrelle Revis "anything he wants" if/when he becomes a free agent.
Schefter believes the Revis sweepstakes will come down to the Jets and Patriots. The Jets made the difficult, but likely correct, decision to trade Revis two years ago, but meddlesome owner Woody Johnson has apparently felt regret. The New York media has spent the better part of two years beating the drum for Revis' return. Johnson seems to feel the pressure. Whatever the motivations, Revis would fill a huge need for Gang Green, and be playing for a coach in Todd Bowles who maximizes talent and scheme much the same way Rex Ryan does.
Dr. Octopus
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The bolded part isn't interesting. It's idiotic. I loved the way he played/plays, but we can't be held hostage by him again. Sign a long term reasonable contract or no thanks. Maxwell or Cromartie and maybe a second tier guy will be fine.
comfortably numb
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Wonder what BMarshall would cost...
jwb
Footballguy
My wishlist:
1) WR. - I'd rather have mediocre / untested qb and excellent wr than bail at both positions. Get a good, fast WR to play across from Decker, and with Kerely and second-year Amaro, that helps even Geno greatly. Keep Harvin if the price is right, and if they can't draft someone at 6, get another guy (someone earlier mentioned Shorts. Torrey Smith could work, too.)
2) Best FA Cornerback and Cover Safety you can find. The Defense has a chance to be scary good with that D-line.
3) QB - I would try and give Geno one more year. But also bring in a Jake Locker-ish guy. Is there a sneaky second / third rounder out there, too?
Powell and Ivory are fine at RB, the D-Line can be lethal, rest can fall into place.
1) WR. - I'd rather have mediocre / untested qb and excellent wr than bail at both positions. Get a good, fast WR to play across from Decker, and with Kerely and second-year Amaro, that helps even Geno greatly. Keep Harvin if the price is right, and if they can't draft someone at 6, get another guy (someone earlier mentioned Shorts. Torrey Smith could work, too.)
2) Best FA Cornerback and Cover Safety you can find. The Defense has a chance to be scary good with that D-line.
3) QB - I would try and give Geno one more year. But also bring in a Jake Locker-ish guy. Is there a sneaky second / third rounder out there, too?
Powell and Ivory are fine at RB, the D-Line can be lethal, rest can fall into place.
Dr. Octopus
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I don't think trading away a mid-round pick to bring in a 31 year old WR, who has had his issues, would be a wise move for this team. His salary is reasonable though at least.comfortably numb said:
Early indications are Marshall is headed the Jets way for "a late round pick." Good move.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If it's truly a late pick, like say a 5-7 (although if they release Harvin they wouldn't have a 6) then I could live with it. Even if it is a mid-round pick (3-4), I wouldn't be terrible upset but wouldn't agree with the move.
VarsityBlues123
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Dr. Octopus
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Kiddnets
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Ok. I'll buy in.
So if Mariota fell to six and the rumored deal happened (Foles, Pick 20, 2015 second and 2016 first) - we could be looking at Foles throwing to Marshall, Decker, Kerley, Jalen Strong, and Amaro in a Chan Gailey fast paced pistol offense. That would be kind of fun.
So if Mariota fell to six and the rumored deal happened (Foles, Pick 20, 2015 second and 2016 first) - we could be looking at Foles throwing to Marshall, Decker, Kerley, Jalen Strong, and Amaro in a Chan Gailey fast paced pistol offense. That would be kind of fun.
Fariq
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He has not had issues recently. Watch the Football Life film on him if you have not done so yet. It is pretty good. Marshall's been one of my favorite players (hated it when Miami had him), so I am ecstatic about this trade.
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massraider
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Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 20m20 minutes ago
David Harris resigns with Jets 3 years 21.5 15 million fully guaranteed first 2 years . Wow Jets getting it done
David Harris resigns with Jets 3 years 21.5 15 million fully guaranteed first 2 years . Wow Jets getting it done
Dr. Octopus
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I watched it. I actually think he's one of the more intelligent players in the league now that he's on his medication. His insights and observations are much more forward thinking than most NFL players.
I probably shouldn't have even mentioned those past troubles, as you said, they are basically irrelevant now.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The price tag is probably a little steep, but the guy is as solid as they come and a good leader on the defense. I'm happy he's sticking around. Helps create flexibility during the draft as well, because ILB doesn't need to be a priority now.
comfortably numb
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let's try this again....comfortably numb said:
Wonder what ALuck would cost....
comfortably numb
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comfortably numb
Footballguy
I'm so on the fence with Mariotta.
On one hand I feel if he comes to NY and doesn't have the the type of offense he would need to succeed he can struggle.
However if he goes to PHI I think he can't look like a stud in that system.
Either way it could look bad for the Jets.
I don't know...
I'm at least happy to have Marshall, a true #1 stud type of target regardless who is throwing to him....but bottom line....in this day and age you have to have a high end QB to have consistent success.
On one hand I feel if he comes to NY and doesn't have the the type of offense he would need to succeed he can struggle.
However if he goes to PHI I think he can't look like a stud in that system.
Either way it could look bad for the Jets.
I don't know...
I'm at least happy to have Marshall, a true #1 stud type of target regardless who is throwing to him....but bottom line....in this day and age you have to have a high end QB to have consistent success.
A homeless man and People Magazine. Unless you're a hearsay buff, who cares?
jwb
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njherdfan
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I'm thrilled with the Marshall trade. Finally, we give Geno some weapons and let him succeed or fail on his own. Marshall is an AWESOME receiver, and Decker is one of the better #2 receivers in the NFL. Put them next to Amaro and Kerley, and this is actually a good group of pass catchers.
I'm not thrilled with the Harris contract. I feel like resigning vets who are past their primes is what bad teams do. I know that a lot of people think Harris is a good player who can stop the run well. Personally, I think a MLB who can't carry at all is not worth very much, especially considering how good our DL is. Oh, well. Hopefully the guaranteed 2nd year won't hurt the Jets next year.
I'm not thrilled with the Harris contract. I feel like resigning vets who are past their primes is what bad teams do. I know that a lot of people think Harris is a good player who can stop the run well. Personally, I think a MLB who can't carry at all is not worth very much, especially considering how good our DL is. Oh, well. Hopefully the guaranteed 2nd year won't hurt the Jets next year.
VarsityBlues123
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