✦✦✦Official 2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

If they see Shazier as a ILB and slot him there... I love it. He started his final two games at ILB.

Farrior played at 220# ftr.

As an OLB (which I originally thought) I was really <_< , wondering why another OLB with Jones and Worilds.

But the first thing that I see when I get home is that he is destined for Farriors old ILB position.

He is Ludicrous Speed at that position. And what about size? The combine measurements were 6'1, 237# and proday sub 4.4.

 

[3C's]

If they see Shazier as a ILB and slot him there... I love it. He started his final two games at ILB.

Farrior played at 220# ftr.

As an OLB (which I originally thought) I was really <_< , wondering why another OLB with Jones and Worilds.

But the first thing that I see when I get home is that he is destined for Farriors old ILB position.

He is Ludicrous Speed at that position. And what about size? The combine measurements were 6'1, 237# and proday sub 4.4.

Yes, they'll have Timmons at buck and Shazier at mack. That's a crazy good duo.

 

[3C's]

Name the last CB taken in the 1st by the Steelers. Here I'll help. Chad Scott. How many pro bowls did he go to?

As many as Lipps

The cb taken in the first before that was (not neon) Deon Figures. Stellar!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

If they see Shazier as a ILB and slot him there... I love it. He started his final two games at ILB.

Farrior played at 220# ftr.

As an OLB (which I originally thought) I was really <_< , wondering why another OLB with Jones and Worilds.

But the first thing that I see when I get home is that he is destined for Farriors old ILB position.

He is Ludicrous Speed at that position. And what about size? The combine measurements were 6'1, 237# and proday sub 4.4.

Yes, they'll have Timmons at buck and Shazier at mack. That's a crazy good duo.

McShay said he had 75 tackles in last 5 games (incl 2 at ILB). 75???

 

[3C's]

If they see Shazier as a ILB and slot him there... I love it. He started his final two games at ILB.

Farrior played at 220# ftr.

As an OLB (which I originally thought) I was really <_< , wondering why another OLB with Jones and Worilds.

But the first thing that I see when I get home is that he is destined for Farriors old ILB position.

He is Ludicrous Speed at that position. And what about size? The combine measurements were 6'1, 237# and proday sub 4.4.

42" vertical. All sorts of crazy athletic measurables.

 

[3C's]

If they see Shazier as a ILB and slot him there... I love it. He started his final two games at ILB.

Farrior played at 220# ftr.

As an OLB (which I originally thought) I was really <_< , wondering why another OLB with Jones and Worilds.

But the first thing that I see when I get home is that he is destined for Farriors old ILB position.

He is Ludicrous Speed at that position. And what about size? The combine measurements were 6'1, 237# and proday sub 4.4.

Yes, they'll have Timmons at buck and Shazier at mack. That's a crazy good duo.

Inside Shaz won't be crap unless the DL does their job. You think Kuechly is good cause speed?

I think he's great (not good) because he's a great player. As is Shazier.

 

[3C's]

Name the last CB taken in the 1st by the Steelers. Here I'll help. Chad Scott. How many pro bowls did he go to?

As many as Lipps

The cb taken in the first before that was (not neon) Deon Figures. Stellar!

Woodsen what #8?

There was no Woodson in this draft? Not even remotely close.

 

[H8fulHuck]

I'm really hoping the Steelers found some CB gems by doing their research. If I relate it to me drafting a FF team, I focus an inordinate amount of research finding under valued players at WR for example when I anticipate loading up at other positions. Why bring in all those CB if you're just going to take a blue chipper in the 1st?

Taking Shazier may be telling of Spence's status. Take Spence out of the equation and Pittsburgh is desperate for a starting LB beside Timmons. You have to love the speed he brings. He could be a nice counter to teams with athletic receiving TE.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Those are some terrible 13 posts to join this thread with FUJB.

No thanks.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Those are some terrible 13 posts to join this thread with FUJB.

No thanks.

I deleted all my posted in this thread to appease you.

To join this thread? I was posting on this board about the Steelers before you mom ever knew which dad you would have.

FU sincerely IC ALKIES!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Those are some terrible 13 posts to join this thread with FUJB.

No thanks.

I deleted all my posted in this thread to appease you.

To join this thread? I was posting on this board about the Steelers before you mom ever knew which dad you would have.

FU sincerely IC ALKIES!

Pretty steady with that quality.

 

[timschochet]

So the Ravens took Mosley. How does Mosley compare to Shazier? Focusing just on this position, which guy would you rather have?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So the Ravens took Mosley. How does Mosley compare to Shazier? Focusing just on this position, which guy would you rather have?

In this thread earlier I had stated I would take Mosley... in the 2nd round.

In todays NFL I want a LB that can stay on the field on passing downs.

Mosley doesn't even compare as an athlete and has a worse injury history while being thinner and lighter.

When I watched the Mosley videos, it was always the other 'Bama players that stood out.

Though I dont doubt Mosley can be the playcaller and vocal leader (and currently is better as such) that can be a big time asset.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=110707&draftyear=2014&genpos=ILB

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=119571&draftyear=2014&genpos=OLB

 

[IC FBGCav]

Pitt was an 8-8 team last year. Having the same schedule I don't think drafting Shaz helps them to 9-7. Maybe they win more games this year but he will not be the difference. Getting OL help, getting a good CB help, can be a game improvement, even after losing Sanders, Woodley, etc.........The best addition to this team will be Blount.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Name the last CB taken in the 1st by the Steelers. Here I'll help. Chad Scott. How many pro bowls did he go to?

What does that have to do with the corners available in the first round this year?

 

[Franknbeans]

The Steelers spent a bunch of time with Dennard so there must have been something that did not convince them he was their guy. We'll never know but I have to think Fuller was their initial choice. Da Bears!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

When steelers go nickel, who is on the field?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

It's clear that their focus this off season was to get younger and faster on defense. Foote and Clark were both older and a step or two slow, which affects the whole scheme. Replacing them with Shazier (fastest LB in the draft) and Mitchell (4.45 guy) goes a long way toward solving that problem. Just those two moves alone make them a faster defense and I think both guys start right away. I suspect we'll see at least one DL pick and at least one CB pick today and tomorrow, depending on what they think they can still do in FA after the Woodley cap savings hit on June 1.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

When steelers go nickel, who is on the field?

If you're referring to Shazier here, I believe he's on the field in nickel packages. He can blitz from there or cover the flat/cover a TE or slot guy in the box.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

When steelers go nickel, who is on the field?

If you're referring to Shazier here, I believe he's on the field in nickel packages. He can blitz from there or cover the flat/cover a TE or slot guy in the box.

I'm asking in general. I don't recall the steelers version mix of dl lb cb s. Nickel is almost base d now.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

When steelers go nickel, who is on the field?

If you're referring to Shazier here, I believe he's on the field in nickel packages. He can blitz from there or cover the flat/cover a TE or slot guy in the box.

I'm asking in general. I don't recall the steelers version mix of dl lb cb s. Nickel is almost base d now.

They have a couple but IIRC, their standard nickel package replaces the nose tackle with a 5th DB. 2-4-5 in essence.

 

[3C's]

Name the last CB taken in the 1st by the Steelers. Here I'll help. Chad Scott. How many pro bowls did he go to?

What does that have to do with the corners available in the first round this year?

It was a response to a FUJB post that he deleted.

 

[irish eyes]

Great maybe they can pick up a qb or Rb in rounds 2 & 3 to round out a sh@@@@ draft. So many other players they SHOULD have taken instead of shazier.

 

[3C's]

I'm really hoping the Steelers found some CB gems by doing their research. If I relate it to me drafting a FF team, I focus an inordinate amount of research finding under valued players at WR for example when I anticipate loading up at other positions. Why bring in all those CB if you're just going to take a blue chipper in the 1st?

Taking Shazier may be telling of Spence's status. Take Spence out of the equation and Pittsburgh is desperate for a starting LB beside Timmons. You have to love the speed he brings. He could be a nice counter to teams with athletic receiving TE.

Could be Phillip Gaines. Speed!

 

[3C's]

The circle is complete now that ie is here!

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Great maybe they can pick up a qb or Rb in rounds 2 & 3 to round out a sh@@@@ draft. So many other players they SHOULD have taken instead of shazier.

ILB was a major need. I just think a Dennard/Borland combo might have proven to be better than a Shazier/CB TBD combo. Clearly, they're looking to infuse speed into the defense though, and Shazier does that. Probably more so than anyone else available at 15. I don't hate the pick at all, just think a trade down for more picks would have been helpful.

 

[3C's]

James C Wexell ‏@jimwexell

BTW, #Steelers couldn't find trade-down partner even if became so inclined.

 

[Godsbrother]

Don't get me wrong, I like Shazier and think he can really be an excellent NFL player, I'm just a little surprised by the pick.

Agreed. This just feels a bit like a luxury. There are too many holes to draft a luxury.

I don't know what kind of NFL player Shazier will turn out to be but the Steelers desperately needed an inside linebacker. Polamalu was playing ILB last season, there is no way they could continue that. If Shazier lives up to his potential then the Steelers filled a glaring hole last night.

 

[3C's]

Don't get me wrong, I like Shazier and think he can really be an excellent NFL player, I'm just a little surprised by the pick.

Agreed. This just feels a bit like a luxury. There are too many holes to draft a luxury.

I don't know what kind of NFL player Shazier will turn out to be but the Steelers desperately needed an inside linebacker. Polamalu was playing ILB last season, there is no way they could continue that. If Shazier lives up to his potential then the Steelers filled a glaring hole last night.

ding ding ding! Vince was a 2 down player...and slow. He was subbed out on obvious passing downs and in some cases Garvin came in. With that they moved Troy up closer to the line for support. With what they should eventually get with Shazier they never have to sub and Troy goes back to a more natural S spot on 3rd down. This is a big plus to the D. If, and it's a big if, Spense is fully back they had their guy but there's no way to know that now. If Spense is back they have quality depth and they can rid themselves of some marginal level players.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Since our division rivals selected Gilbert (who we had no shot at), Dennard and Moseley, we'll get real familiar with the players we passed on for Shazier.

 

[The Hank]

Don't get me wrong, I like Shazier and think he can really be an excellent NFL player, I'm just a little surprised by the pick.

Agreed. This just feels a bit like a luxury. There are too many holes to draft a luxury.

I don't know what kind of NFL player Shazier will turn out to be but the Steelers desperately needed an inside linebacker. Polamalu was playing ILB last season, there is no way they could continue that. If Shazier lives up to his potential then the Steelers filled a glaring hole last night.

ILB was a glaring need, as was CB and WR -- I'm confident that those other positions will be addressed later in this draft (and as early as tonight)

Vince Williams, while filling in admirably for Foote, is not nearly the athlete that Shazier is in terms of speed and athleticism. He is better suited as a backup and special teamer; and anyone relying on Sean Spence to do much of anything after suffering a potential career ending knee injury (not only torn acl/mensicus, but NERVE damage) is being way too optimistic that he's close to the same player they drafted in 2012 before the injury.

 

[The Hank]

I think this is going to be the next position drafted by PIT:

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 5m

Plenty WRs left: Marqise Lee, Cody Latimer, Allen Robinson, Davante Adams, Jordan Matthews, Jarvis Landry, Martavis Bryant, Donte Moncrief.

 

[Fiddles]

Hoping for Cody latimer tonight.

 

[The Hank]

Hoping for Cody latimer tonight.

I have a feeling it'll be Allen Robinson, Martavis Bryant or Donte Moncrief

 

[lod01]

I like them is this order

Latimer

Bryant - with Brown underneath, he is a nice compliment over the top.

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Robinson

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Moncrief - always steer clear of guys that let the ball get into their body

 

[3C's]

Since our division rivals selected Gilbert (who we had no shot at), Dennard and Moseley, we'll get real familiar with the players we passed on for Shazier.

When the Bengals took Dennard my first thought was "well here goes 5 years of comparisons."

 

[Idiot Boxer]

No CBs of value in the 2nd. If Louis Nix drops, he'd be the big body up front that might make the Shazier pick better.

But of course then we've still not addressed WR or CB

P.S. Don't like Cody Latimer.

 

[jurb26]

No CBs of value in the 2nd. If Louis Nix drops, he'd be the big body up front that might make the Shazier pick better.

But of course then we've still not addressed WR or CB

P.S. Don't like Cody Latimer.

Yup. Teams looking for a CB are screwed IMO. The potential difference makers are all gone. There is a big drop off after Roby. McGill is probably the next best guy. I'm sure CBs will go in the 2nd but I think there is better talent on the board at other positions. This was not a deep CB class IMO.

 

[3C's]

No CBs of value in the 2nd. If Louis Nix drops, he'd be the big body up front that might make the Shazier pick better.

But of course then we've still not addressed WR or CB

P.S. Don't like Cody Latimer.

Not a big Latimer fan either but he certainly shot up draft boards so I'm guessing he's worthy of an early pick. CB could be Gaines or McGill in the 2nd but that could be a little early for them, although most people think they're 2nd rounders. Nix would be fine but I like Tuitt more in that spot.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

NO pick on D will be wasted for this team this year. They are old and have no depth at pretty much all levels on the defense.

Shazier will have to play inside where he can be covered up and allowed to run to the ball. If they play him outside he will be engulfed, and it will have been a wasted pick.

I like Shazier. He's a really good player. A bit surprised they went that direction, but not floored. If they play him inside next to Timmons I'll be more than okay with it. Guy makes plays. They need more guys like that.

There are still a bunch of CBs worth drafting. As good as the top 3? No. It's not like this class had those three guys then 40 Delton Halls though.

 

[Blick]

Now that I've gotten over the initial shock and had a night to sleep on it, I guess I'm feeling better about the pick. I think I almost cried when Fuller went to the Bears.

 

[3C's]

NO pick on D will be wasted for this team this year. They are old and have no depth at pretty much all levels on the defense.

Shazier will have to play inside where he can be covered up and allowed to run to the ball. If they play him outside he will be engulfed, and it will have been a wasted pick.

I like Shazier. He's a really good player. A bit surprised they went that direction, but not floored. If they play him inside next to Timmons I'll be more than okay with it. Guy makes plays. They need more guys like that.

There are still a bunch of CBs worth drafting. As good as the top 3? No. It's not like this class had those three guys then 40 Delton Halls though.

D is looking pretty good. Still need a few bodies and more depth but

Heyward McClendon ??

Worilds Timmons Shazier Jones

Taylor Polamalu Mitchell Allen

Throw in Will Allen, Shamarko Thomas, William Gay as situational/sub guys. Draft someone to play the other DE spot and a future CB and this is a good draft.

ETA: if the 2nd round is Nix that would/could slide McClendon to DE. All good.

 

[Godsbrother]

NO pick on D will be wasted for this team this year. They are old and have no depth at pretty much all levels on the defense.

True although they are getting younger and faster so far this offseason.

 

[Zyphros]

Not thrilled about the pick, but it could be worse. I think the initial plan was possibly Aaron Donald/Kyle Fuller but then they both went right infront of them. I was expecting Dennard after that or a trade down and they end up taking Shazier... Not thrilled. I think it was maybe 5-10 picks too early for him and it isn't like the Steelers to reach a little.

Oh well, nothing to do but welcome him to Steeler Nation now.

 

[3C's]

Listening to SNR replay of last night and they're at the 13th or so pick. One of the guys, not sure who, said he was hearing the Steelers aren't interested in Fuller or Dennard. Guess that was right.

 

[3C's]

Not thrilled about the pick, but it could be worse. I think the initial plan was possibly Aaron Donald/Kyle Fuller but then they both went right infront of them. I was expecting Dennard after that or a trade down and they end up taking Shazier... Not thrilled. I think it was maybe 5-10 picks too early for him and it isn't like the Steelers to reach a little.

Oh well, nothing to do but welcome him to Steeler Nation now.

Gerry Dulac @gerrydulac Follow

Dallas Cowboys were ready to select Ryan Shazier at No. 16 until #Steelers grabbed him. Agent was on phone w Cowboys.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I think this is going to be the next position drafted by PIT:

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 5m

Plenty WRs left: Marqise Lee, Cody Latimer, Allen Robinson, Davante Adams, Jordan Matthews, Jarvis Landry, Martavis Bryant, Donte Moncrief.

That depth might also mean they wait until round 3 and go D-line or secondary. That was my thinking last night when I posted that I thought Landry might be the guy they target today (with the 3rd round comp pick)

If Nix is somehow still on the board when we pick in round 2, I don't know if you pass him up.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

NO pick on D will be wasted for this team this year. They are old and have no depth at pretty much all levels on the defense.

Shazier will have to play inside where he can be covered up and allowed to run to the ball. If they play him outside he will be engulfed, and it will have been a wasted pick.

I like Shazier. He's a really good player. A bit surprised they went that direction, but not floored. If they play him inside next to Timmons I'll be more than okay with it. Guy makes plays. They need more guys like that.

There are still a bunch of CBs worth drafting. As good as the top 3? No. It's not like this class had those three guys then 40 Delton Halls though.

As usual, totally agree with 5ish. Totally agree he has to play inside. I know a lot of people wanted WR/CB (myself among them, much more so CB than WR) - this is potentially an incredible LB corps going forward. If Jones makes strides the next year or two and Shazier can learn the scheme quickly and they both become what I believe they can be before Timmons starts to slow down, it will be reminiscent of the Super Bowl Steelers defenses of the past 10 years again.

 

[jurb26]

Nix in round 2 would be a dream come true IMO.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Not thrilled about the pick, but it could be worse. I think the initial plan was possibly Aaron Donald/Kyle Fuller but then they both went right infront of them. I was expecting Dennard after that or a trade down and they end up taking Shazier... Not thrilled. I think it was maybe 5-10 picks too early for him and it isn't like the Steelers to reach a little.

Oh well, nothing to do but welcome him to Steeler Nation now.

Gerry Dulac @gerrydulac Follow

Dallas Cowboys were ready to select Ryan Shazier at No. 16 until #Steelers grabbed him. Agent was on phone w Cowboys.

Second time this was posted.

Is sniping the player that Jerruh Jones wanted supposed to make me feel better about the pick?