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1.01: Who Should The Oakland Raiders Pick? (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Calvin Johnson. And it's really not even close, IMO.
Russell showing up overweight at the combine was bad mojo.
Quinn not throwing at the combine was a mistake.
I can't see taking a tackle #1 overall.
Adrian Peterson has some injury concerns.
And Calvin Johnson is just that good. If they get rid of Moss and have a WR corps of Johnson, Porter, and Curry, I think that would get Raider nation pretty excited.
Russell showing up overweight at the combine was bad mojo.
Quinn not throwing at the combine was a mistake.
I can't see taking a tackle #1 overall.
Adrian Peterson has some injury concerns.
And Calvin Johnson is just that good. If they get rid of Moss and have a WR corps of Johnson, Porter, and Curry, I think that would get Raider nation pretty excited.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You can just pencil me in for Joe Thomas every pick he is available during the top5 picks of the draft.
If the Raiders pass on him, Detroit should take him, if Detroit passes then Cleve should grab him, if Cleve passes the Bucs should jump on him, and on and on and on.
He will make these teams with good WR and RB that much better. Gotta have an OL to block or you go nowhere.
If the Raiders pass on him, Detroit should take him, if Detroit passes then Cleve should grab him, if Cleve passes the Bucs should jump on him, and on and on and on.
He will make these teams with good WR and RB that much better. Gotta have an OL to block or you go nowhere.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
If and only IF they can trade Moss for something then I say you take Calvin Johnson. Then you draft a qb later as Russell would have to sit anyway you might as well get the best player in the draft and sit a qb to develop anyway.If no Trade of Moss then I (and I think imma get killed for this) but they should take Brady Quinn. Now I dont know much about his mental psyche but Physically he looks like an Elite qb and I think with the weapons the raiders have now he could actually step right in and start from day one. That is as long as they can protect him.
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s_ezy
Footballguy
Calvin Johnson should also be considered by all these teamsthe first round is a lot of boom/ bust, johnson at the very worst will be an average player, these teams need average players anyways so its a win/win
perry147
Footballguy
CJ is the pick I think for the Raiders.Russell being overweight after only a very small time off is an huge indicator of future problems with him (undisciplined or maybe lazy).With the Raider trying so hard to trade Moss I think they intend to replace him with CJ.Adrian Peterson would have been a contender for this pick if Lamont had not signed back on.Quinn did throw at his pro day and the reports I have read is that he did very well and made all the throws.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Joe Thomas
jurb26
Footballguy
Thomas is going to be a monster. Oak has the worst Oline in NFL memeory.
simmonjm
Footballguy
JaMarcus Russell should be the pick. During Moss's tenure with the Raiders he has never had a Qb that can air it out accurately. I could easily see Russell putting up Culpepper type numbers with Moss and Porter as his recievers. Randy Moss has given up for the past two years because the Raiders have not done anything in his eyes to get better on offense. Randy Moss kept trying but was getting worn out seeing his QB take a sack when he is open downfield. After a while Moss just quit trying because in his eyes whats the point? JaMarcus Russell has decent mobility could survive a full season with the Raiders swiss cheese oline. The combo of Russell and Moss could really kick start that offense.
bostonfred
Footballguy
The Raiders' best bet would be to trade down, trade Moss, and get a serious talent infusion on the team. One player isn't going to help them. Trade down to Tampa for their first and second, and either take one of the tackles or trade down again and pick a defensive player. Then trade Moss for another second. End up with three of the top 35 picks and four of the top 60 players in the country.
lord_helmet
Footballguy
Thomas, Gallery has already been moved to RT so they are not unwilling to overpay him anyway
krsone21
Footballguy
I also think they should Draft Calvin Johnson but only if they can get something for Randy Moss, than draft a QB later to develop. Otherwise I am leaning towards one of the QB's not sure which one yet at this point. Ideally I would like to see the Raiders trade down a few spots and still be able to pick up one of the QB's on the board and than use those extra picks to shore up there Offensive Line.
KTM
Braaaaaaaaaap
And move Gallery to LG?
lord_helmet
Footballguy
Warpig
Footballguy
Trade down.
Assuming they keep Moss and Porter I feel CJ would be a wasted pick and they would become the next Detroit Lions franchise.
Since their O-line was pretty much the most pathetic thing last year, I could justify taking Joe Thomas but they may still be feeling the sting of taking Gallery with their #1 a few years ago and be hesitant.
I'm going against the majority thought here but I think Quinn would be the best thing for them (if they promised to bolster the O-line in the next round). Quinn is the most polished and NFL ready since he played in Weiss's offense the last 2 years. He seems to be a quality character and has less question marks than Russell.
Russell has upside or potential...but so did Ryan Leaf. I'm just not buying into this Russell kid.
Assuming they keep Moss and Porter I feel CJ would be a wasted pick and they would become the next Detroit Lions franchise.
Since their O-line was pretty much the most pathetic thing last year, I could justify taking Joe Thomas but they may still be feeling the sting of taking Gallery with their #1 a few years ago and be hesitant.
I'm going against the majority thought here but I think Quinn would be the best thing for them (if they promised to bolster the O-line in the next round). Quinn is the most polished and NFL ready since he played in Weiss's offense the last 2 years. He seems to be a quality character and has less question marks than Russell.
Russell has upside or potential...but so did Ryan Leaf. I'm just not buying into this Russell kid.
This is often the best answer, but we forced ourselves to actually pick players. The Raiders, Lions, and Browns are all in rough shape, and the elite talent this year means that the top 3 picks should have excellent trade value. I wouldn't surprised to see 2 of the 3 trade down, and I would put the Lions as the most likely team to do it.
Tau837
Footballguy
tlovyankee
Footballguy
This is a tough choice for the Raiders. They have needs that they could use a couple of these top players.
I feel that they should go for Russell or Quinn. I know CJ is a beast and he is for sure one the best players in the draft. I do not see how they can pass up on a QB unless they pick up a vetren.
Here are their needs:
QB
RB
TE
O-Line
I did not put WR up in there because they do have some talent at WR and feel this class is deep and they could still get a good one later in the draft.
Now they could go after CJ and just sh** can the season and get a top QB in next years draft, Whatever player they get will not make them win this year.
I feel that they should go for Russell or Quinn. I know CJ is a beast and he is for sure one the best players in the draft. I do not see how they can pass up on a QB unless they pick up a vetren.
Here are their needs:
QB
RB
TE
O-Line
I did not put WR up in there because they do have some talent at WR and feel this class is deep and they could still get a good one later in the draft.
Now they could go after CJ and just sh** can the season and get a top QB in next years draft, Whatever player they get will not make them win this year.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Yea I agree, as good as Calvin is I say Jamarcus is what they need with joe thomas running a close second. If they take a RB or WR I think it will be a huge mistake. You rebuild a team from the inside out, not with wide recievers. If they dont want Russel they should trade down for depth and draft picks
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Joe Thomas
A good QB should be there in the 2nd and a decent WR should be there in the 3rd.
A good QB should be there in the 2nd and a decent WR should be there in the 3rd.
Wandering wookie
Footballguy
Since trading down is not a choice (although if I were GM, I would strongly advocate it), my pick would be that of OT Joe Thomas as my philosphy would be to start with the line and build out. Gallery (sp?) can bookend one side and Thomas on the other. The second round would probably go to best available Defensive player unless a stud OL slipped out of the first round. This is were they need help the most and that is where to start. But in reality, option 1 is trading down in my book.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I'd grab Trent Edwards at the top of the 2nd after taking Thomas in the 1st.
perry147
Footballguy
Barry Sims LTPaul McQuistan LGJake Grove CKevin Boothe RGRobert Gallery RT
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I think you take Russell or Calvin.
CJ seems to be the BPA. However, there are two positions you should never pass up even if they dont pan out and thats a franchise QB or a franchise LT.....since I believe Thomas is likely to be a solid lineman but not necessarily a franchise LT. Then they must evaluate Russell/Quinn and figure out if either could possibly be that "Franchise QB". If not then trade down and get some value out of the pick. JMO
ps. RAidah fan
ps. RAidah fan
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Freaking GREAT posting. I've been saying for years that Moss makes teams worse, not better.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Can you explain why you think Russell would bring the most leadership to the Raiders?
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Calvin Johnson or Adrian Peterson, I'm torn. And I'm just not sold on JaMarcus Russell. I dunno, somebody who has "The Choosen One" tattooed on his body isn't someone I can root for.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
ConstruxBoy said:
And kill two bird with one stone.
dpeease
Footballguy
1. Russell led his LSU team 11-2 record. Both losses were both to top 5 teams at the time they were played. Yeah, its college, but he has proven he is a play maker. 2. 28 TDs/8 int last season and the only times he didn't throw at least 2 TDs were in the above losses. 3. He is 6'6, 245+ and can flat out play. He brings it each and every week. Having someone with that much talent, come in with a hungry attitude, can energize the rest of the team.
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
JaMarcus Russell
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
He has a hungry attitude alright. Just not the good kind.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Showing up overweight and out of shape at the NFL combine is a bit like showing up at your own wedding with a beer can in one hand and a hooker in the other.
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Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
So you like the fact that he disappeared against top teams with good defenses? The division with San Diego and Denver in it sounds like the perfect place for him then.
toxicbees
Footballguy
I don't think they have a choice, they need to take Russell. There is no other position on the field that can turn around a team quicker than a solid QB. One of the things that Russell does well is pick up the blitz, he's going to need to as defenses shread that swiss cheese offensive line.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Ill admit, I was also somewhat disturbed by Russell's attitude and condition at the combine. You just don't get the feeling that football is the first thing he thinks about when he wakes up and last thing he thinks about before he falls asleep - and that's the kind of dedication you need to see before you invest the #1 overall pick imo.
cstu
Footballguy
Don't ignore the fact that they can get a quality QB at 2.01 nearly as good as Russell (IMO, Stanton and Edwards aren't that far behind), but there won't be a WR of CJ's caliber at 2.01.
dpeease
Footballguy
No, I didn't like it at all. LSU was a pass interference call away from winning the AU game in spite of his bad play. The FLA game was a pure meltdown by LSU. I am not saying he is the best thing since sliced bread, but IMHO he gives the Raiders the best chance to succeed given their needs and what's in this draft.
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