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1.02: Who Should The Detroit Lions Pick? (1 Viewer)

The 2nd overall pick is a very juicy one this year. I would love to see the Lions trade down for a mid-late 1st and a 2nd. If they can't find a suitable trading partner....I agree that Thomas in the logical pick. However, despite the Lions horrible history with 1st round WR's...I wouldn't be dissapointed if they selected C.J.

 
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Missing with a couple of first rounders doesnt mean they should pass on the top playmaker in the draft.

Calvin Johnson WR, if he's gone Joe Thomas OT

 
Thomas would make their passing and running games better. Johnson would just make the highlight reel for being open but unable to get the ball as the Lions Q.B. gets snowed under again.

 
I'm going with Thomas.

With Roy, Furrey, and the possible signing of Curtis they'd seem to have the WR pieces that they need to run that offense. I agree that Calvin is a unique talent though, so I understand the point of view that he'd be tough to pass up. I beleive they could get Stanton in the 2nd to solve their long term QB situation. None of this matters though if your QB doesn't have time to let his WRs get down the field and it seems FA linemen are going for $7M/yr these days. Lol.

 
They SHOULD trade down. But if they stay at 2, I say Joe Thomas. However, if they think Quinn is a franchise caliber QB, they should pick him instead.

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Brady Quinn.
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go on... make your case. I know that the staff all agreed on the same player, and it wasn't Quinn.(by the way folks, Andy is also on NFLDG staff as our mock draft specialist, so this is really a 5th staff member weighing in)
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I posted this earlier in LHUCKS' daily fishing trip thread...I hear a lot about Quinn feasting against substandard competition. Russell did the same thing. I'm no statistical analysis guru, but it appears that the defenses that Russell faced were no better and his stats could be inflated a bit too. I'm starting to get a bad feeling about Russell. Here's a grid of the opponents faced, their pass defense rank, and the stats accumulated for each.Jamarcus Russell61. Louisiana-Lafayette - 13/17/253 3/0 69. Arizona - 13/20/196 2/114. @Auburn - 20/35/269 0/0113. Tulane - 17/23/198 2/067. Mississippi State - 18/20/330 3/033. @Florida - 24/41/228 1/3118. Kentucky - 15/18/226 2/086. Fresno State - 15/19/210 2/027. @Tennessee - 24/36/247 3/319. Alabama - 18/21/207 3/046. Mississippi - 20/36/223 3/036. @Arkansas - 14/22/210 2/060. Notre Dame - 21/34/332 2/1Brady Quinn49. @Georgia Tech - 23/38/246 0/053. Penn State - 25/36/287 3/089. Michigan - 24/48/234 3/397. @Michigan State - 20/36/319 5/1104. Purdue - 29/38/316 2/0 23. Stanford - 27/37/232 3/0 87. UCLA - 27/45/304 2/0 85. @Navy - 18/25/295 3/048. North Carolina - 23/35/346 4/0 75. @Air Force - 14/19/207 4/07. Army - 22/30/218 3/1 64. @USC - 22/45/274 3/03. @LSU - 15/35/148 2/2So, in each of their "signature" games (Quinn vs LSU and Russell vs Florida) they both came up small in losses. Yet Quinn is the only one taking a hit? I don't get it.There are many other things I like about Brady Quinn. 1. Four year starter one. You just can't buy that type of experience. People try to compare him to Harrington, which is totally unfair. Harrington's college career was nowhere near Quinn's. Russell had one good year, which is closer to Harrington than Quinn is. 2. He has taken the post season seriously, staying in shape. The only reason he didn't perform at the combine was because he had a bit of work done on his knee. He did, however, show up ripped, putting up 24 reps on the bench. Compare that to Russell who showed up overweight and did nothing. 3. The Lions still need a long term solution at the spot. Let's face it folks, if Millen hasn't been fired by now, he's not going to be. So he doesn't NEED a "win now" QB. He already has one in Kitna. And if Kitna goes down, Quinn is as "NFL ready" as any QB in recent memory. And forget about how he fits in a Martz system (he's a pretty good fit, IMO). He won't be there much longer.4. In the NFC North, as the weather changes, the passing game isn't nearly as vertical as earlier in the season, which plays to Quinn's strength.5. Everyone says "Joe Thomas!" Hogwash. They've paid Backus LT money, Jon Scott really came on at the end of the year, and Foster is a solid backup. If there's a problem with the line, it's the interior.
 
Joe Thomas period

Unless you get a trade partner and try and get him or Levi later in round 1

 
I would have previously said to take Thomas and that was a no brainer. However, Det did pick up Foster and I think they shoudl move down now. There is going to be a premioum price paid for top 3 spots (Thomas, Johnson and Peterson). Det could use the picks.

 
I think Thomas is a better fit than Johnson, but if Johnson's available they have to take him or trade him.

The fact that Detroit seems to have already filled their RB and OT needs in free agency does make you think they're looking at Johnson, but I don't think he's the best fit for their team. What would be interesting is if 1.1 takes Johnson, and the Lions don't want to draft a tackle or back, what would they do? Should they trade down, take a defensive player, or go best player available and forget what they've done in free agency?

 
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There are many other things I like about Brady Quinn. 1. Four year starter one. You just can't buy that type of experience. People try to compare him to Harrington, which is totally unfair. Harrington's college career was nowhere near Quinn's. Russell had one good year, which is closer to Harrington than Quinn is. 2. He has taken the post season seriously, staying in shape. The only reason he didn't perform at the combine was because he had a bit of work done on his knee. He did, however, show up ripped, putting up 24 reps on the bench. Compare that to Russell who showed up overweight and did nothing. 3. The Lions still need a long term solution at the spot. Let's face it folks, if Millen hasn't been fired by now, he's not going to be. So he doesn't NEED a "win now" QB. He already has one in Kitna. And if Kitna goes down, Quinn is as "NFL ready" as any QB in recent memory. And forget about how he fits in a Martz system (he's a pretty good fit, IMO). He won't be there much longer.4. In the NFC North, as the weather changes, the passing game isn't nearly as vertical as earlier in the season, which plays to Quinn's strength.5. Everyone says "Joe Thomas!" Hogwash. They've paid Backus LT money, Jon Scott really came on at the end of the year, and Foster is a solid backup. If there's a problem with the line, it's the interior.
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I like the way you laid this out. My thoughts on your thoughts:1) He definitely has a lower bust risk because of his body of work and is not a one year wonder (maybe a two year wonder?)2) I agree with this wholeheartedly, he seems like a man on a mission.3) The Lions need a long term solution at QB, but Kitna probably has two more good years left in him. Martzis the king of developing overlooked QBs - I think they should either continue to develop Orlovsky ordraft a guy for Martz to groom this year to fill the long term hole. The hole needs addressing, but itdoesnt demand the investment it would take to get Quinn.4) Detroit plays indoors, so we're talking maybe 3 games on the schedule, depending on when they play the away games with the division foes. This is not a compelling argument imo.5) When you're picking #2 you need to make sure you get an allpro level guy. I think you have to throwneed to the curb when you are picking in the top 5-7, and heck maybe as far down as 20. If a need is met, terrific, but you have to bag that difference maker, whether youre set at the position or not.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Andy Dufresne said:
There are many other things I like about Brady Quinn. 1. Four year starter one. You just can't buy that type of experience. People try to compare him to Harrington, which is totally unfair. Harrington's college career was nowhere near Quinn's. Russell had one good year, which is closer to Harrington than Quinn is. 2. He has taken the post season seriously, staying in shape. The only reason he didn't perform at the combine was because he had a bit of work done on his knee. He did, however, show up ripped, putting up 24 reps on the bench. Compare that to Russell who showed up overweight and did nothing. 3. The Lions still need a long term solution at the spot. Let's face it folks, if Millen hasn't been fired by now, he's not going to be. So he doesn't NEED a "win now" QB. He already has one in Kitna. And if Kitna goes down, Quinn is as "NFL ready" as any QB in recent memory. And forget about how he fits in a Martz system (he's a pretty good fit, IMO). He won't be there much longer.4. In the NFC North, as the weather changes, the passing game isn't nearly as vertical as earlier in the season, which plays to Quinn's strength.5. Everyone says "Joe Thomas!" Hogwash. They've paid Backus LT money, Jon Scott really came on at the end of the year, and Foster is a solid backup. If there's a problem with the line, it's the interior.
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I like the way you laid this out. My thoughts on your thoughts:1) He definitely has a lower bust risk because of his body of work and is not a one year wonder (maybe a two year wonder?)2) I agree with this wholeheartedly, he seems like a man on a mission.3) The Lions need a long term solution at QB, but Kitna probably has two more good years left in him. Martzis the king of developing overlooked QBs - I think they should either continue to develop Orlovsky ordraft a guy for Martz to groom this year to fill the long term hole. The hole needs addressing, but itdoesnt demand the investment it would take to get Quinn.4) Detroit plays indoors, so we're talking maybe 3 games on the schedule, depending on when they play the away games with the division foes. This is not a compelling argument imo.5) When you're picking #2 you need to make sure you get an allpro level guy. I think you have to throwneed to the curb when you are picking in the top 5-7, and heck maybe as far down as 20. If a need is met, terrific, but you have to bag that difference maker, whether youre set at the position or not.
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My thoughts on your thoughts. ;)3. I don't think Martz will be there past this next season.4. I guess I'm optomistically assuming they'll be in the playoffs sometime during Quinn's career. I'm also assuming they're not going to have homefield. And they won't be playing the Vikings :tinfoilhat: And I know it was a thin argument, that's why it's fourth! :)5. Yes and no. I don't think you need to take an all-pro LT at #2. BTW - My Quinn argument is based on the assumption Oakland takes CJ first. If they don't, the Lions should take CJ without question.
 
1.02 Adrian Peterson

A) If I'm a GM I draft the player that is the best player available in most instances

B) I would almost never draft a QB with a top pick

1.01 - Joe Thomas

1.02 - Adrian Peterson

 
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While I would be tempted to pick Quinn in this spot if I were the Lions and since, in my world sings Alice, Thomas is off the board, I would pick Calvin Johnson as he is a very true and legit WR with more than just speed. While everybody hemmed and hawed over this pick, the reality is that Kitna isn't just going to be around DET for one more year, there is good possiblity (especially with improvements to the line) that he will be able to produce and QB very reasonably for 2-4 years... Sure this leads me to think about tabbing Quinn as a suitable replacement but I think there are still some decent prospects availble via FA/draft over the next year or two. While the WR market with talent in the margins of CJ is very VERY slim indeed. More later.

 
If CJ is there that is the pick for them.

1.CJ

2. Quinn

3. Thomas

Those are the picks they need.

I know they had trouble in the past with WRs but this kid is a talent and with him, Roy, and Furrey they will have a very good lineup.

 
Assuming no trades..

CJ if he's there.

If CJ is gone, Joe Thomas.

If CJ is gone and they can deal Tater to NYG, then take AD.

Else, if they can trade down and get Gaines Adams then I'd like that scenario, too... just don't think it will happen necessarily.

 
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Assuming no trades..CJ if he's there.If CJ is gone, Joe Thomas.If CJ is gone and they can deal Tater to NYJ, then take AD. Else, if they can trade down and get Gaine Adams (sp?) then I'd like that scenario, too... just don't think it will happen necessarily.
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How many RBs is JETS going to have. They just got T.Jones. There is no way now the JETS will take Tater in a trade.
 
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I do not know why people say if this or that guy is there. If oakland does not take J Russle I would be stunned. The guys are is sick.

 
Bob Henry said:
Assuming no trades..CJ if he's there.If CJ is gone, Joe Thomas.If CJ is gone and they can deal Tater to NYJ, then take AD. Else, if they can trade down and get Gaine Adams (sp?) then I'd like that scenario, too... just don't think it will happen necessarily.
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I would think they can at least trade down to 4 with TB, who are really hot to trot for CJ and Thomas (according to our friends at the Pewter Report). This will give TB the assurance that they get one of "their guys" and the Lions will still get Adams or Jamaal Anderson. I would think the price to move up from 4 to 2 will be steep, but it will be one that the Bucs pay, since I doubt they are in the market for a QB or AD - they must come away with CJ or Thomas to really cash in the value a pick they earned by cratering so badly last year. If they stay home at 4, I see a very good possibility that neither Thomas nor CJ are there, and the Bucs would likely be forced to take the heir to Simeon Rice - Adams or Anderson, the same guys we are talking about the Lions taking if they trade down.
 
For everyone who said Calvin Johnson, who is your second choice - CJ goes first to the Raidazzz (or a team that traded up with Oakland). Now what do you do?

 
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I believe Kevin Curtis will end up in Detroit. That also (stupidly) may make them bypass Johnson if available.
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I believe Martz would actually prefer Curtis over CJ, crazy as that is. There just isn't a place for a 6-5, 230 WR in his offense. Joe Thomas is really the only pick that makes sense for DET.
 
It would be sort of tragically humorous if Millen passed on a WR who turned out to actually be worth a first round pick.

 
The Lions can't take anothe WR......that would be 4 receivers drafted in the top 10 in the past 5 years. Yes, this guy looks like the real deal, but so did Charlie Rogers and so did Mike Williams coming out of college.

The Lions could use a WR, but they don't NEED one. They had 2 WR's at 1000 plus yards this year, I wouldn't call that a NEED.

What the Lions need is a running game and a defense. If the Lions were smart, which they aren't...they would have taken either Cutler or Leinart last year when they were in position to. Instead they passed on them both and Denver and Arizona gobbled them up and they became 1st year QB starters for their teams.

I'd draft Joe Thomas and start building my running game. They don't NEED a running back, they have Tatum Bell and Kevin Jones. What they NEED is someone to block for them, their offensive line stunk. Sure, they got Foster but big deal. Players on the line are always getting hurt or dinged up and you can never have enough quality depth on an offensive line.

If Thomas was gone, I'd trade the pick away. I'd do everything in my power to act like I'm going to use the pick and then sell it for the highest bidder. This way, they get either another offensive lineman or they just strictly go Defense, which they need badly.

 
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Thomas, that O-line is terrible. What is the need for Calvin in Detroit anyways, they have Roy Williams. Anyone who lines up across from Roy is going to succeed, just look at what Mike "converted safety" Furrey did last year.

 
The Lions have gotten killed on the line of scrimmage for years....both on offense and defense. This is why they are among the worst 3rd down teams every year on both sides of the ball. Since we are basing the choices on staying at #2...and since there are no DE's worthy of the pick, I think Joe Thomas is the obvious pick. The Lions have never figured out that the game is won and lost on the line...it's time to build from the line out. The lions offensive line was terrible last year and the year before and the year before. Take Thomas. If he is gone...then they should take the other player who seems to have the least risk, Calvin Johnson. WR or not...he looks like as cant miss as they come. Nobody else is as worthy as these 2 players in my opinion.

 
tlovyankee said:
Bob Henry said:
Assuming no trades..

CJ if he's there.

If CJ is gone, Joe Thomas.

If CJ is gone and they can deal Tater to NYG, then take AD.

Else, if they can trade down and get Gaine Adams (sp?) then I'd like that scenario, too... just don't think it will happen necessarily.
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How many RBs is JETS going to have. They just got T.Jones. There is no way now the JETS will take Tater in a trade.
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Sorry that should be NYG.. my bad.
 
I'd say Thomas, but I would have Oakland taking him at #1. Russell actaully makes sense to me for the Lions here if Thomas is gone. Roy Williams is a fine #1 WR, and you have options at RB even if KJ isn't ready right away. They have a veteran QB in place, so Russell wouldn't have to be rushed into a starting role. Seems like the best pick looking at the long term future for the franchise.

 
The problem the Lions have is that their biggest needs are by far on defense. They have zero CBs right now that have any business being on an NFL roster (much less starting), they have a big hole at MLB, and they could still use help at S and DE. With the best players available being offense, it just makes sense to trade down.

 
Spartans Rule said:
The problem the Lions have is that their biggest needs are by far on defense. They have zero CBs right now that have any business being on an NFL roster (much less starting), they have a big hole at MLB, and they could still use help at S and DE. With the best players available being offense, it just makes sense to trade down.
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I think more often than not trading down makes the most sense for teams picking in the top 5.
 
I would not be surprised to see Arizona & Detroit swap picks. Arizona to take Thomas (obviously) and Detroit to take Adams or Jamaal Anderson.

 
I think Thomas will be there for the Lions, because I think OAK won't take him - although I think OAK should take him.

So I guess that's a Thomas "vote".

 
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