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1.03: Who Should The Cleveland Browns Pick? (1 Viewer)

Sigmund Bloom

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The NFLDraftguys staff weigh in with their opinions

Note: as you might have noticed, the staff is going to mock the entire first round, so they have to stick by their earlier picks to determine the pool of who would be available. Feel free to play along as we make it through the entire first round leading up to draft day.

Who do YOU think they should take?

 
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Peterson.

CLE has other needs they could fill but Peterson has the ability to be a franchise back. IMO, Droughns is tough and plays hard but just doesn't have the talent to carry a team the way Peterson does. Having a RB threat like that could help loosen things up quite a bit for Edwards & Winslow. They could use o-line or a QB as well, but they should be able to get someone in the 2nd round that can help.

 
I dont know about Branch's ability to play nose tackle, what they really need is a guy like Jammal Williams in SD. That is the key to the defense and if Branch fits the bill they should make a slight reach here.

 
If I eliminate the guys I voted at 1.01 Johnson and 1.02 Peterson then I will say 1.03 the Browns should take Brady Quinn.

 
#1 Calvin / OAK

#2 Thomas / DET

#3 Brady Quinn / CLE

 
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1.03 Calvin Johnson, The Saints didn't need Reggie Bush but they drafted him

A) If I'm a GM I draft the player that is the best player available in most instances

B) I would almost never draft a QB with a top pick

1.01 - Joe Thomas

1.02 - Adrian Peterson

1.03 - Calvin Johnson

 
i believe it is going to be peterson. with all these free agent backs floating around unemployed. cleveland has been sniffing around none of them.

 
quinn...they need a franchise QB...and quinn is pretty enough to market.... :shrug:

as a peterson and braylon owner for my dynasty, I would also love it not seeing AD go there...

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
They signed Eric Steinbach to play LT, so forget about Joe Thomas.
I'm gonna disagree here. At least not this year. Are you suggesting Shaffer moves to guard or they cut him in June?
 
Andy Dufresne said:
They signed Eric Steinbach to play LT, so forget about Joe Thomas.
I'm gonna disagree here. At least not this year. Are you suggesting Shaffer moves to guard or they cut him in June?
Steinbach is moving to RT. Is Cleveland not happy with Shaffer at LT? I think Peterson is a no-brainer here considering the investment they've already made on OL. Bentley didn't work out, but hopefully Fraley does a good enough job to tide them over for a year (assuming Bentley can play again).
 
Andy Dufresne said:
They signed Eric Steinbach to play LT, so forget about Joe Thomas.
I'm gonna disagree here. At least not this year. Are you suggesting Shaffer moves to guard or they cut him in June?
Steinbach is moving to RT. Is Cleveland not happy with Shaffer at LT? I think Peterson is a no-brainer here considering the investment they've already made on OL. Bentley didn't work out, but hopefully Fraley does a good enough job to tide them over for a year (assuming Bentley can play again).
:hey: I guess I don't know for sure where everyone will play. I thought I'd read that Steinbach would play LT, but I must be remembering wrong.But like you said, they've spent big $ on the line already. And Savage normally doesn't take linemen very high.

 
Steinbach is playing guard. Tucker and Schaffer are the tackles. Tucker has already said he is returning and he is making too much money to sit behind somebody. The Browns guards last year were their weakness. Coleman and Andruzzi got old quick and it showed. With another solid guard, the Browns line should be pretty good.

BTW, I see them taking Peterson if he is there.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this draft turn out like a previous draft for San Diego. Franchise RB in the first (LT) and Franchise QB in the 2nd (Brees) except it would be AD and Stanton.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
They signed Eric Steinbach to play LT, so forget about Joe Thomas.
I'm gonna disagree here. At least not this year. Are you suggesting Shaffer moves to guard or they cut him in June?
Steinbach is moving to RT. Is Cleveland not happy with Shaffer at LT? I think Peterson is a no-brainer here considering the investment they've already made on OL. Bentley didn't work out, but hopefully Fraley does a good enough job to tide them over for a year (assuming Bentley can play again).
If Tucker is as healthy and in as good of shape as he says he is, I see no reason why the line doesn't shake out as....Shaffer-Steinbach-Fraley-???-Tucker

Steinbach has been very public about being most comfortable at guard, but he will play wherever the coaches want him.

 
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quinn...they need a franchise QB...and quinn is pretty enough to market.... :thumbup:
The Browns don't need pretty faces to market the team here in Cleveland. No matter how bad they are, the fans still sell out every game and buy tons of merchandise.But if they want to win, I think the Browns have to take Petersen. As bad as our team is, we can't wait around to develop a QB. We need someone to make an instant impact.
 
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I wish we would take Joe Thomas or trade down for Branch, but I think we're looking at Peterson. Like previously mentioned, if we don't pick up a free agent RB before the draft, Peterson is our destiny. Let's just hope that if we pick him that we don't spend the next 2 years repairing his ACL, fixing his collarbone, nursing staph infections, etc.

 
I think they should take Peterson. I have Thomas gone at 2, and I really think they should take Peterson over CJ if both are there at 3.

 
I wouldn't overlook the Weiss - Crennell connection. I think that Charlie has given Romeo the inside lowdown, and if Quinn is on the board he is taken by Cleveland.

If it happens that Cleveland passes on Quinn, look for him to slide down about 10 spots, the other teams may get a bit anxious as to why they would pass on him with an insider giving them a true "scouting report".

If they pass on Quinn, it has to be Peterson. Droughns will not make it past this season as a Brown.

 
Droughns will not make it past this season as a Brown.
Droughns may not make it past March 15th...
Browns weigh who'll run ball

Droughns is due bonus; Peterson looms in draft

Akron Beacon Journal (Ohio)

March 1, 2007

Free agency starts at midnight tonight, but one of the Browns' more interesting offseason decisions takes place in 15 days.

That's when a roster bonus due to running back Reuben Droughns is either paid or isn't.

If Droughns is paid the bonus, he stays with the Browns.

If Droughns is not paid the bonus, he becomes a free agent.

The rub with the money: It's $1.75 million, not a small amount. (The Browns would not confirm the figure).

That's a sum high enough that it will at least prompt discussion in Berea.

If Droughns is let go, it would probably signal the Browns' strong interest in drafting running back Adrian Peterson with their No. 3 pick. The Browns very well could decide that paying Peterson is better than paying Droughns.

Then again, not paying the bonus brings many questions.

Such as what is plan B if Peterson goes with the draft's first or second pick?

The running backs on the roster other than Droughns are Jason Wright and Jerome Harrison. Neither has proven himself a full-time NFL back.

The Browns do not want to discuss the bonus issue, and Droughns could not be reached for comment.

General Manager Phil Savage and coach Romeo Crennel have assessed Droughns' season in the past weeks. Crennel said the team was concerned that Droughns did ``regress'' in 2006, when he gained 758 yards and his per-carry average was 3.4 yards (compared with 4.5 and 4.0 in the previous two seasons).

``But I think that he has shown us that he does have the ability, that he can be a productive runner for us,'' Crennel said. ``I expect him to get back to that form that he had. That 1,200-yard form.

``That's what I'm looking for, and that's what I'm going to hope for.''

Savage said he thinks Droughns can bounce back.

``If we went into next year as it stands right now, if Reuben is one of our ball carriers, I think we'll be better in some other areas'' of the team, Savage said. ``So I'm not going to just throw my arms up, throw my hands up, and say he can't play. I won't do that with any of our players.

``We're not going to fix every single thing (this offseason), so there are areas where we have to get the most out of what we do have.''

Droughns signed a new four-year, $13.1 million contract a year ago. The contract followed consecutive 1,200-yard seasons (one with the Denver Broncos and one with the Browns).

The deal included a $2.5 million signing bonus, roster bonuses of $1.25 million in 2006 and $1.75 million this year, and salaries of $1.2 million, $1.25 million, $1.75 million and $2.75 million.

Droughns' first roster bonus gave him $3.7 million in guaranteed money last year. The Browns were not going to pass on paying the roster bonus after having paid the signing bonus.

The contract was written so that the bonus this year would either reward Droughns for a good 2006 or allow the Browns to decide whether the remainder of his contract is too hefty for their liking.

The keep-Droughns argument states that he was hampered early in the season by a shoulder injury that affected his running style. Droughns took a serious shot from Cincinnati Bengals defensive end David Pollack in the second game and ran with pain for some time afterward.

Late in the season, a sprained foot hampered Droughns, and when he returned after missing the 24-20 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers, he shared time with Wright.

Too, the Browns' offensive line struggled mightily in 2006, and it's hard to envision any back gaining a lot of yards.

The Browns obviously envisioned Droughns as their lead back when they gave him the contract a year ago. Is it fair to him to abandon that plan after the entire team -- not just Droughns -- had a miserable season?

The argument to let Droughns go is that his production did drop, and, at times, he did not seem to run as well or as hard. Droughns never will be a speed back, so many of his yards come from hard work. If he's off his game a bit, it can affect his total.

The other argument is that Peterson really is the next great back in the league. He wowed scouts by running a 4.38-second 40-yard dash last week at the NFL Scouting Combine.

If the Browns think Peterson is their man -- and Savage clearly likes University of Oklahoma players -- the $1.75 million that's due to Droughns could be better spent upgrading the line in front of Peterson.

That being said... if Droughns is let go and another team swings a trade with the Oakland Raiders or the Detroit Lions for one of the two top picks and takes Peterson, the Browns would be left without a top back -- unless Wright or Harrison grew into the role.

One thing that won't affect the team's thinking is the salary cap. Savage said the Browns will start free agency about $30 million under the $109 million salary cap.

The decision on Droughns will come down to football and value. As in: Is Droughns a good enough player to receive the money he is due?
 
They'll take Peterson but they should take 1 of Quinn or Russell. Frye is awful and won't have the excuse of a bad O'line to bail him out this year.

 
Tampa will probably take CJ (I think Oakland drafts a QB and Detroit drafts anything-but-WR), but if Quinn is still on the board they should strongly consider taking him.

 
I can't understand why any RB would ever go in the top 10 yet alone the top 3 considering how much value(or lack thereof) they fetch in trades. Shaun Alexander, Edge James, Marshall Faulk....they were all available in their primes for 2nd round picks. Why not just get a proven RB that way and focus instead on other positions? You could tell me right now that AD will be a 5 time pro bowler and have a great career and I still wouldn't take him with this pick. Obviously NFL GMs know more than me, so what am I missing here?

 
I can't understand why any RB would ever go in the top 10 yet alone the top 3 considering how much value(or lack thereof) they fetch in trades. Shaun Alexander, Edge James, Marshall Faulk....they were all available in their primes for 2nd round picks. Why not just get a proven RB that way and focus instead on other positions? You could tell me right now that AD will be a 5 time pro bowler and have a great career and I still wouldn't take him with this pick. Obviously NFL GMs know more than me, so what am I missing here?
The allure of perceived great talent plus the pressure of a need to fill for a GM leads many players to get overvalued going into the draft. I also think that fan pressure creates problems too, such as fear of backlash for passing up the Next Great Player, e.g. the Texans with Bush last year. Nobody wants to draft Sam Bowie with Jordan on the board.
 
I can't understand why any RB would ever go in the top 10 yet alone the top 3 considering how much value(or lack thereof) they fetch in trades. Shaun Alexander, Edge James, Marshall Faulk....they were all available in their primes for 2nd round picks. Why not just get a proven RB that way and focus instead on other positions? You could tell me right now that AD will be a 5 time pro bowler and have a great career and I still wouldn't take him with this pick. Obviously NFL GMs know more than me, so what am I missing here?
The allure of perceived great talent plus the pressure of a need to fill for a GM leads many players to get overvalued going into the draft. I also think that fan pressure creates problems too, such as fear of backlash for passing up the Next Great Player, e.g. the Texans with Bush last year. Nobody wants to draft Sam Bowie with Jordan on the board.
General fans are often enamored with offensive skill position players as well. The average fan can easily get caught up in the idea that a top skill position player will always instantly upgrade an offense when that may not be the case. I consider myself an oldschool win in the trenches footballguy, what does it matter if you've got this shiny new toy if you've got nobody around him or if your defense can't stop anybody?
 
They should trade down!

DL is their biggest weakness now and they can get a great RB in the top of the second.

 
I can't understand why any RB would ever go in the top 10 yet alone the top 3 considering how much value(or lack thereof) they fetch in trades. Shaun Alexander, Edge James, Marshall Faulk....they were all available in their primes for 2nd round picks. Why not just get a proven RB that way and focus instead on other positions? You could tell me right now that AD will be a 5 time pro bowler and have a great career and I still wouldn't take him with this pick. Obviously NFL GMs know more than me, so what am I missing here?
The allure of perceived great talent plus the pressure of a need to fill for a GM leads many players to get overvalued going into the draft. I also think that fan pressure creates problems too, such as fear of backlash for passing up the Next Great Player, e.g. the Texans with Bush last year. Nobody wants to draft Sam Bowie with Jordan on the board.
General fans are often enamored with offensive skill position players as well. The average fan can easily get caught up in the idea that a top skill position player will always instantly upgrade an offense when that may not be the case. I consider myself an oldschool win in the trenches footballguy, what does it matter if you've got this shiny new toy if you've got nobody around him or if your defense can't stop anybody?
So GMs are using high picks on RBs just to please the fans even though they don't believe its the best strategy? I can't believe thats really true.
 
Assani Fisher said:
I can't understand why any RB would ever go in the top 10 yet alone the top 3 considering how much value(or lack thereof) they fetch in trades. Shaun Alexander, Edge James, Marshall Faulk....they were all available in their primes for 2nd round picks. Why not just get a proven RB that way and focus instead on other positions? You could tell me right now that AD will be a 5 time pro bowler and have a great career and I still wouldn't take him with this pick. Obviously NFL GMs know more than me, so what am I missing here?
I'm not super familiar with historical trade values of RBs, but were Alexander, James and Faulk really available for 2nd round picks in their prime? How many of the top, proven RBs in the league right now can be obtained for 2nd round picks? I would guess maybe some of the lower tier RBs (McGahee, Taylor, maybe Parker) but certainly not the elite RBs?Regardless, I think you make a great point. The value of a top RB nowadays is not very high relative to other positions, and you can obtain a quality RB with some experience with a 2nd rounder. With the way offenses are run nowadays (and Denver is a great example), you can be very successful with marginal RB talent instead of requiring that unique gamechanging talent like an LT or a Jim Brown. Maybe GMs really think that it's worth taking a risk with a 1st round pick for that potential upside?Sometimes I wonder if GMs focus too much on BPA instead of using VBD like we're used to doing in FF. But we probably shouldn't short change them like that.In conclusion, ;) (Also, I don't believe that they are doing it to please the fans)
 
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Assani Fisher said:
Buckna said:
redman said:
Assani Fisher said:
I can't understand why any RB would ever go in the top 10 yet alone the top 3 considering how much value(or lack thereof) they fetch in trades. Shaun Alexander, Edge James, Marshall Faulk....they were all available in their primes for 2nd round picks. Why not just get a proven RB that way and focus instead on other positions? You could tell me right now that AD will be a 5 time pro bowler and have a great career and I still wouldn't take him with this pick. Obviously NFL GMs know more than me, so what am I missing here?
The allure of perceived great talent plus the pressure of a need to fill for a GM leads many players to get overvalued going into the draft. I also think that fan pressure creates problems too, such as fear of backlash for passing up the Next Great Player, e.g. the Texans with Bush last year. Nobody wants to draft Sam Bowie with Jordan on the board.
General fans are often enamored with offensive skill position players as well. The average fan can easily get caught up in the idea that a top skill position player will always instantly upgrade an offense when that may not be the case. I consider myself an oldschool win in the trenches footballguy, what does it matter if you've got this shiny new toy if you've got nobody around him or if your defense can't stop anybody?
So GMs are using high picks on RBs just to please the fans even though they don't believe its the best strategy? I can't believe thats really true.
I think it's more a matter of GM's for job security purposes talking themselves into a "safe" pick that won't be criticized (e.g. the Texans and Bush) instead of an unpopular or unsexy pick that may be smarter for the team but will win them no plaudits even if it works out. There's something to be said for confidence and job security.
 
Considering how poorly the Cleveland offense is and has played in the past few years, Peterson looks to be the man. I can see Russell / Quinn (whoever falls) or even Branch, a strong DT who can plug up the middle.

Peterson, Edwards and Winslow looks to be a powerful trio and if Frye can improve again this year, the Browns offense can start to look like an NFL offense again.

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
The NFLDraftguys staff weigh in with their opinions

Note: as you might have noticed, the staff is going to mock the entire first round, so they have to stick by their earlier picks to determine the pool of who would be available. Feel free to play along as we make it through the entire first round leading up to draft day.

Who do YOU think they should take?
I'd priortize as following:1 JaMarcus Russell

2 Brady Quinn

3 Calvin Johnson

More than likely Oakland takes Russell and Detroit takes JT leaving us Quinn but I'd take Russell if he's there and would gladly scoop up CJ if Russell/Quinn are off the board.

I don't think a trade down is likely but their are tons of rumors so if we somehow trade down I would then go:

4 Joe Thomas

5 Adrian Peterson

6 Allan Branch

 
Assani Fisher said:
Buckna said:
redman said:
Assani Fisher said:
I can't understand why any RB would ever go in the top 10 yet alone the top 3 considering how much value(or lack thereof) they fetch in trades. Shaun Alexander, Edge James, Marshall Faulk....they were all available in their primes for 2nd round picks. Why not just get a proven RB that way and focus instead on other positions? You could tell me right now that AD will be a 5 time pro bowler and have a great career and I still wouldn't take him with this pick. Obviously NFL GMs know more than me, so what am I missing here?
The allure of perceived great talent plus the pressure of a need to fill for a GM leads many players to get overvalued going into the draft. I also think that fan pressure creates problems too, such as fear of backlash for passing up the Next Great Player, e.g. the Texans with Bush last year. Nobody wants to draft Sam Bowie with Jordan on the board.
General fans are often enamored with offensive skill position players as well. The average fan can easily get caught up in the idea that a top skill position player will always instantly upgrade an offense when that may not be the case. I consider myself an oldschool win in the trenches footballguy, what does it matter if you've got this shiny new toy if you've got nobody around him or if your defense can't stop anybody?
So GMs are using high picks on RBs just to please the fans even though they don't believe its the best strategy? I can't believe thats really true.
I said general fans, not GM's. However, there does seem to be a prevailing attitude in all sports that given the choice of improving your offense vs. defense, improving offense will result in winning more games, faster. Just look at baseball, how often do GM's there overpay for hitters?I'm of the opinion a top of the line RB is the last piece of puzzle thing, not something to build around. I think we've been spoiled the last two years with all the 1st round RB's (4 last year, 3 in the top 5 two years ago which was the 1st time ever.) I don't think drafting a RB that early in the draft occurs as often as we think, however, there was a stretch from 98' to 01' with 1 RB going around the 5 spot each year (Jamal, LT, Ricky, Edge and Enis.) That's a great list of names, it certainly seems those "once in a lifetime" talents come along much more often than people state.As to your question, why do GM's do it? Who knows. Maybe they always think they are only 1 piece of the puzzle away, when the reality is FA's leave, guys get hurt and players don't perform up to expectations. My guess is they're going for immediate impact solutions to improve their win percentage. The pressure to perform in a short-time frame when some coaches and GM's get fired after only a season or two must be immense. Especially considering I think most of us would agree it generally takes a few years to turnaround a team. Outside of that, maybe we're just in a period of a glut of quality RB's? :drive:
 
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I'm not super familiar with historical trade values of RBs, but were Alexander, James and Faulk really available for 2nd round picks in their prime? How many of the top, proven RBs in the league right now can be obtained for 2nd round picks? I would guess maybe some of the lower tier RBs (McGahee, Taylor, maybe Parker) but certainly not the elite RBs?
The Colts traded Faulk to the Rams for a 2nd and 4th. The other two were just rumors, but it was widely believed that both could've been had for 2nd rounders AND NO TEAMS WERE EVEN WILLING TO GIVE THAT.
 
Since, in my world, both Joe Thomas and CJ have been wiped off the board...with the third pick the Brownies select Adrian Peterson. A no brainer as the Browns have not only a coach but a GM in the hot seat. Peterson will put butts in the seats and take some pressure off of the QB. Quinn or Russell may be the pick here as well but the first option is to improve the team immediately with the 3rd overall pick, hence, Peterson would be the pick. I don't see Quinn or Russell paying dividens until 2-3 years down the road which will be after either Savage and/or Crennel have been fired.

 
If he's there, the Browns have to go with Brady Quinn, especially now that they've signed Jamal Lewis.

He's from Ohio.

He's NFL ready.

The rumor is that he actually WANTS to play for the Browns.

The Browns desperately need a QB.

The Crennel/Weiss connection.

I know that people are kind of down on Quinn but I think that they're wrong. I've never been a huge fan of his but I think that my dislike for ND has colored that somewhat. He can make all the throws. He's smart. He can read defenses well. Honestly I think he's one of the most prepared QBs to enter the draft in a while. I think that you can start him from Day 1 and have a legitimate NFL QB by the end of the first year pretty easily.

 
I'm not super familiar with historical trade values of RBs, but were Alexander, James and Faulk really available for 2nd round picks in their prime? How many of the top, proven RBs in the league right now can be obtained for 2nd round picks? I would guess maybe some of the lower tier RBs (McGahee, Taylor, maybe Parker) but certainly not the elite RBs?
The Colts traded Faulk to the Rams for a 2nd and 4th. The other two were just rumors, but it was widely believed that both could've been had for 2nd rounders AND NO TEAMS WERE EVEN WILLING TO GIVE THAT.
The Faulk deal is one of the biggest lopsided deals of the last 10 or so years, and its hard to put a lot of stock in rumors. Portis (allegedly a product of the Denver o-line) fetched the best CB in the league, and I don't think Washington would turn around and trade him for a 2nd now, would they? I agree with your main point, that I wouldn't draft an RB so high when they wear out so fast... but I disagree that they have low trade values in their primes (unless they are carrying other baggage)
 
Taking Jamal Lewis kinda takes a little from the AP thing. I agree with the Branch choice, but only if we trade down. The Carr trade would make a ot of sense if we get Branch.

 

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