1.04: Who Should The Tampa Bay Buccaneers Take? (1 Viewer)

[Sigmund Bloom]

The NFLDraftguys Staff weighs in

Note: as you might have noticed, the staff is going to mock the entire first round, so they have to stick by their earlier picks to determine the pool of who would be available. Feel free to play along as we make it through the entire first round leading up to draft day.

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Who do YOU think they should take?

 

[Woz]

Clavin John if he's there obviously. He's the best player in the draft, Bucs could use a WR with Galloway aging and Clayton underperforming, and he may in fact be there if the top 3 picks go Russell/Quinn, Thomas, Peterson.

Otherwise I think they should trade down as it appears they won't be taking a shot on a QB.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Well, I've got the first three picks as CJ, Quinn, and Peterson.

I was fiddling with this last night. I think there's an outside chance that even with the plethora of QBs on the roster that Russell could be a consideration. Joe Thomas will also get a serious look.

But in the end, I came up with Gaines Adams. Their defense is getting really old. And Adams is a major upgrade to what they've got there now.

And to say I was encouraged when I saw this morning that Bloom agreed with me would be an understatment. (Of course, he assumes Thomas is gone, but oh well.)

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Well, I've got the first three picks as CJ, Quinn, and Peterson.I was fiddling with this last night. I think there's an outside chance that even with the plethora of QBs on the roster that Russell could be a consideration. Joe Thomas will also get a serious look. But in the end, I came up with Gaines Adams. Their defense is getting really old. And Adams is a major upgrade to what they've got there now.And to say I was encouraged when I saw this morning that Bloom agreed with me would be an understatment. (Of course, he assumes Thomas is gone, but oh well.)

If Thomas is there, it's a slam dunk pick. So take that as discouragement

 

[Warhogs]

I went so far:

1 Calvin Johnson

2 Adrian Peterson

3 Brady Quinn

So lets give the Bucs Joe Thomas. A nice building block on the o-line.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think I've looked at these top 5 picks too much.

Will the Cardinals please just get it over with and trade with the Lions to get Thomas?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I'm on board with Thomas, Johnson, Quinn so far, so I'll agree with Gaines Adams here to the Bucs. No reason for them to take Peterson regardless of Caddy's less than stellar year.

 

[QUEZILLA]

1. Trade down and grab Okoye

2. Joe Thomas

3. Calvin Johnson

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

1. Trade down and grab Okoye2. Joe Thomas3. Calvin Johnson

Okoye if they are still at 4, no dance partners to trade down, and Thomas/Johnson both gone?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Jamaal Anderson. I think he'll end up going ahead of Adams, and I think the Bucs go defense if Calvin is gone. Even with Thomas available, I think they are preferring to beef up the line through FA, meaning the D will need to get better/younger through the draft.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jamaal Anderson. I think he'll end up going ahead of Adams, and I think the Bucs go defense if Calvin is gone. Even with Thomas available, I think they are preferring to beef up the line through FA, meaning the D will need to get better/younger through the draft.

The reason I went Adams over Anderson is that (as I understand it) in the Tampa 2, you HAVE to have your d-linemen get to the QB. Adams seems to me to be the better pass rusher.

 

[gump]

Jamaal Anderson. I think he'll end up going ahead of Adams, and I think the Bucs go defense if Calvin is gone. Even with Thomas available, I think they are preferring to beef up the line through FA, meaning the D will need to get better/younger through the draft.

The reason I went Adams over Anderson is that (as I understand it) in the Tampa 2, you HAVE to have your d-linemen get to the QB. Adams seems to me to be the better pass rusher.

You indeed do. The zone is only good for so long...which is why Sapp was the quinticential Tampa-2 DL...he could put pressure on the QB AND stop the run, allowing the Buc LBs and safeties to play pass in the zone. Combining Sapp with Rice was downright unfair.Lot's of ifs with this pick:IF the Bucs don't trade for Randy Moss...IF the Bucs don't trade up...IF the Bucs don't trade down...Thomas is the #1 choice, Johnson is #2. But IF neither are available, I say the Bucs select either Adams or Anderson...I'll go with Adams.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Jamaal Anderson. I think he'll end up going ahead of Adams, and I think the Bucs go defense if Calvin is gone. Even with Thomas available, I think they are preferring to beef up the line through FA, meaning the D will need to get better/younger through the draft.

The reason I went Adams over Anderson is that (as I understand it) in the Tampa 2, you HAVE to have your d-linemen get to the QB. Adams seems to me to be the better pass rusher.

This was how I arrived at Adams over Anderson too, although I wouldnt argue with a pick of Anderson.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jamaal Anderson. I think he'll end up going ahead of Adams, and I think the Bucs go defense if Calvin is gone. Even with Thomas available, I think they are preferring to beef up the line through FA, meaning the D will need to get better/younger through the draft.

The reason I went Adams over Anderson is that (as I understand it) in the Tampa 2, you HAVE to have your d-linemen get to the QB. Adams seems to me to be the better pass rusher.

This was how I arrived at Adams over Anderson too, although I wouldnt argue with a pick of Anderson.

Nor would I.

 

[Sabertooth]

Jamaal Anderson. I think he'll end up going ahead of Adams, and I think the Bucs go defense if Calvin is gone. Even with Thomas available, I think they are preferring to beef up the line through FA, meaning the D will need to get better/younger through the draft.

The reason I went Adams over Anderson is that (as I understand it) in the Tampa 2, you HAVE to have your d-linemen get to the QB. Adams seems to me to be the better pass rusher.

You indeed do. The zone is only good for so long...which is why Sapp was the quinticential Tampa-2 DL...he could put pressure on the QB AND stop the run, allowing the Buc LBs and safeties to play pass in the zone. Combining Sapp with Rice was downright unfair.Lot's of ifs with this pick:IF the Bucs don't trade for Randy Moss...IF the Bucs don't trade up...IF the Bucs don't trade down...Thomas is the #1 choice, Johnson is #2. But IF neither are available, I say the Bucs select either Adams or Anderson...I'll go with Adams.

IF the Bucs aren't hit by a meteorIF Jon Gruden keeps the Chucky schtick going.IF the sun comes up tomorrow.Every team has ifs.

 

[gump]

Jamaal Anderson. I think he'll end up going ahead of Adams, and I think the Bucs go defense if Calvin is gone. Even with Thomas available, I think they are preferring to beef up the line through FA, meaning the D will need to get better/younger through the draft.

The reason I went Adams over Anderson is that (as I understand it) in the Tampa 2, you HAVE to have your d-linemen get to the QB. Adams seems to me to be the better pass rusher.

You indeed do. The zone is only good for so long...which is why Sapp was the quinticential Tampa-2 DL...he could put pressure on the QB AND stop the run, allowing the Buc LBs and safeties to play pass in the zone. Combining Sapp with Rice was downright unfair.Lot's of ifs with this pick:IF the Bucs don't trade for Randy Moss...IF the Bucs don't trade up...IF the Bucs don't trade down...Thomas is the #1 choice, Johnson is #2. But IF neither are available, I say the Bucs select either Adams or Anderson...I'll go with Adams.

IF the Bucs aren't hit by a meteorIF Jon Gruden keeps the Chucky schtick going.IF the sun comes up tomorrow.Every team has ifs.

I don't get your point. There have been rumors from everyone including the NFL for all 3 scenarios. The Moss trade may not affect anything, bc I could see Gruden going for both Moss and CJ. But if the Bucs trade up, they are going for Thomas, IMO. If the Bucs trade down, they are going for Quinn or one of the DLs.The Bucs will not move and still select Adams, unless he falls farther than people think...which is why I clarified before I answered.

 

[Sabertooth]

Jamaal Anderson. I think he'll end up going ahead of Adams, and I think the Bucs go defense if Calvin is gone. Even with Thomas available, I think they are preferring to beef up the line through FA, meaning the D will need to get better/younger through the draft.

The reason I went Adams over Anderson is that (as I understand it) in the Tampa 2, you HAVE to have your d-linemen get to the QB. Adams seems to me to be the better pass rusher.

You indeed do. The zone is only good for so long...which is why Sapp was the quinticential Tampa-2 DL...he could put pressure on the QB AND stop the run, allowing the Buc LBs and safeties to play pass in the zone. Combining Sapp with Rice was downright unfair.Lot's of ifs with this pick:IF the Bucs don't trade for Randy Moss...IF the Bucs don't trade up...IF the Bucs don't trade down...Thomas is the #1 choice, Johnson is #2. But IF neither are available, I say the Bucs select either Adams or Anderson...I'll go with Adams.

IF the Bucs aren't hit by a meteorIF Jon Gruden keeps the Chucky schtick going.IF the sun comes up tomorrow.Every team has ifs.

I don't get your point. There have been rumors from everyone including the NFL for all 3 scenarios. The Moss trade may not affect anything, bc I could see Gruden going for both Moss and CJ. But if the Bucs trade up, they are going for Thomas, IMO. If the Bucs trade down, they are going for Quinn or one of the DLs.The Bucs will not move and still select Adams, unless he falls farther than people think...which is why I clarified before I answered.

Don't you know not to believe most of what you hear this time of year?

 

[gump]

Jamaal Anderson. I think he'll end up going ahead of Adams, and I think the Bucs go defense if Calvin is gone. Even with Thomas available, I think they are preferring to beef up the line through FA, meaning the D will need to get better/younger through the draft.

The reason I went Adams over Anderson is that (as I understand it) in the Tampa 2, you HAVE to have your d-linemen get to the QB. Adams seems to me to be the better pass rusher.

You indeed do. The zone is only good for so long...which is why Sapp was the quinticential Tampa-2 DL...he could put pressure on the QB AND stop the run, allowing the Buc LBs and safeties to play pass in the zone. Combining Sapp with Rice was downright unfair.Lot's of ifs with this pick:IF the Bucs don't trade for Randy Moss...IF the Bucs don't trade up...IF the Bucs don't trade down...Thomas is the #1 choice, Johnson is #2. But IF neither are available, I say the Bucs select either Adams or Anderson...I'll go with Adams.

IF the Bucs aren't hit by a meteorIF Jon Gruden keeps the Chucky schtick going.IF the sun comes up tomorrow.Every team has ifs.

I don't get your point. There have been rumors from everyone including the NFL for all 3 scenarios. The Moss trade may not affect anything, bc I could see Gruden going for both Moss and CJ. But if the Bucs trade up, they are going for Thomas, IMO. If the Bucs trade down, they are going for Quinn or one of the DLs.The Bucs will not move and still select Adams, unless he falls farther than people think...which is why I clarified before I answered.

Don't you know not to believe most of what you hear this time of year?

At least I answered the question.

 

[QUEZILLA]

1. Trade down and grab Okoye2. Joe Thomas3. Calvin Johnson

Okoye if they are still at 4, no dance partners to trade down, and Thomas/Johnson both gone?

Plummer to Houston rumors down? Not sure how it would work, but they are potential trade partners.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

1. Trade down and grab Okoye2. Joe Thomas3. Calvin Johnson

Okoye if they are still at 4, no dance partners to trade down, and Thomas/Johnson both gone?

Plummer to Houston rumors down? Not sure how it would work, but they are potential trade partners.

I see. What I meant was:If Tampa cant find a suitable deal to trade down from 4, and Thomas and Johnson are both gone, then who is the pick? Okoye?

 

[QUEZILLA]

The only reason I say JT over CJ is because it is so hard to come by an elite LT. We have needed one for years, but they just don't hit the FA market. They especially will not hit FA in the future due to the increased placement of the tag.

 

[lord_helmet]

1. Trade down and grab Okoye2. Joe Thomas3. Calvin Johnson

Okoye if they are still at 4, no dance partners to trade down, and Thomas/Johnson both gone?

Plummer to Houston rumors down? Not sure how it would work, but they are potential trade partners.

I see. What I meant was:If Tampa cant find a suitable deal to trade down from 4, and Thomas and Johnson are both gone, then who is the pick? Okoye?

In that scenario they might as well bite the bullet and pick Quinn

 

[Otis]

Clavin John

 

[FTRWRTR]

I think ppl are getting distracted by all of cj's incredible combine stats. This is a great draft for wr. IMO the bucs should take defense(I'm high on alan branch myself but can't fault others for liking adams) at 1:4 then go with someone like meacham at 2:4

 

[QUEZILLA]

I don't mind talking about who I want, but I trust JG and BA. I learned this after 05' when I wanted Mike Williams instead of Caddy. Quez = Matt Millen

 

[T Man]

IMHO

The Bucs take either CJ or Thomas if either is available. If neither is there at #4, I think the Bucs try to trade down within the top 10. If unsuccessful they pick Quinn.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Did the Bucs sign Luke Petitgout to 3/$15.5m to be anything other than the starting LT?

 

[T Man]

Did the Bucs sign Luke Petitgout to 3/$15.5m to be anything other than the starting LT?

Probably not, but if Simms is the starter, the RT becomes as important if not moreso then the LT. Thomas likely could play either RT or LT. And, RT is not a bad training round for someone who ultimately will be the LT.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Did the Bucs sign Luke Petitgout to 3/$15.5m to be anything other than the starting LT?

Probably not, but if Simms is the starter, the RT becomes as important if not moreso then the LT.

Not necessarily as the other team's best pass rusher still stays on the left side.

Thomas likely could play either RT or LT. And, RT is not a bad training round for someone who ultimately will be the LT.

I can't see spending all that money for a right tackle. Even if he's going to EVENTUALLY take over the left side.

 

[Romulan]

Trade the pick for a stud DE (not rookie).. then use the 2.3 pick on a wr.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Jamaal Anderson. I think he'll end up going ahead of Adams, and I think the Bucs go defense if Calvin is gone. Even with Thomas available, I think they are preferring to beef up the line through FA, meaning the D will need to get better/younger through the draft.

The reason I went Adams over Anderson is that (as I understand it) in the Tampa 2, you HAVE to have your d-linemen get to the QB. Adams seems to me to be the better pass rusher.

This was how I arrived at Adams over Anderson too, although I wouldnt argue with a pick of Anderson.

Nor would I.

I'll be stunned if Gaines Adams is rated as high as you guys think. I'm fine with him being one of the top two DEs in this draft. I don't think he is, but that's not my point. Adams isn't one of the top 5 players in this draft. That's my point. This early teams need to focus on elite talent. Gaines Adams is no Manny Lawson. Adams, needs, and value mesh after the 10th pick or some team makes a big mistake reaching. Not that signing Adams is an awful thing, but serious talent at other positions is being forsaken if Adams goes top 10. Can you really justify Gaines Adams before LaRon Landry? I cannot. The elite talent in this draft is not at DE, but DE has solid talent and depth. That's a recipe for getting one in the 2nd round, like OL last year.

 

[gump]

Did the Bucs sign Luke Petitgout to 3/$15.5m to be anything other than the starting LT?

The reason I say Thomas is still #1 is that, as I mentioned in an earlier thread, an ex-player who currently works for the Bucs and is involved in Player Evals was absolutely DROOLING over him in a conversation I had with him.After the last few years, I'm not sure the Bucs could even entertain the thought of having too many good OL options. They obviously know it's the biggest weakness.

 

[Capella]

Calvin or JT are gone, I think they take Quinn and move Simms for whatever draft pick they can get.

 

[Woz]

Clavin John

Typos down?I really think they take CJ here. I think the Raiders HAVE to take a QB to appease their fans, and the Lions can't take a WR, and the Browns seem set on AD.

 

[Jason Wood]

With the Browns adding Jam Lewis today, I find it difficult to imagine Calvin Johnson will be there at 4...

So I'll say they select Gaines Adams. The Tampa defense is in need of an infusion of talent defensively, and Adams, at least in my eyes, is a better pro prospect than Mario Williams.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

With the Browns adding Jam Lewis today, I find it difficult to imagine Calvin Johnson will be there at 4...

So I'll say they select Gaines Adams. The Tampa defense is in need of an infusion of talent defensively, and Adams, at least in my eyes, is a better pro prospect than Mario Williams.

So you think the BROWNS are going to take CJ? I'd like it, but can't see it.

 

[Sabertooth]

The only reason I say JT over CJ is because it is so hard to come by an elite LT. We have needed one for years, but they just don't hit the FA market. They especially will not hit FA in the future due to the increased placement of the tag.

This is a good answer. Wideout, and dang good wideout hit the FA market often. Not so much with the offensive lineman. Who were the top five offensive linemen on the market this offseason? And who were the top 5 wideouts? I'd be willing to bet the the wideouts were a) cheaper and b) better value than the lineman.

 

[Wandering wookie]

So far, in my world, it has been:

1. Oakland-Thomas, Joe T

2. Detriot- Johnson, Calvin WR

3. Cleveland- Peterson, Adrian RB

Which leaves the Bucs to mull over their pick until all 14:59 have gone by...(since I am unable trade the pick), this leaves the Bucs to select Alan Branch DT from Michigan. While DE would be a great pick at this point, I believe that there is plenty of talent in this position that would allow for TB to move up from the 2.03 into the later 1st round to aquire a dropping talent that could develop behind Rice or Spires. For some nagging reason, I almost think that Rice may have retired or been released but from my memory, I think he is still on the team. Regardless, I feel that Branch has the tools and motor to be a solid anchor to take some heat off of the aging LB's on the team. His weight may be issue with Gruden but I still think he is the pick if I am GMing.