1.06 Rookie Draft - Dynasty (1 Viewer)

[The Houston Stallions]

TE required dynasty league. Rookie pic 1.06. Do you take a stud TE or QB?

 

[The Houston Stallions]

I think the decision is really between Davis, Leinart, and Young. I just threw the others in there for options.

Davis is clearly the most talented of the 3. But Young and Leinart are in good situations and should be starting next season at the latest.

 

[-OZ-]

Need based really. Everything equal, I probably take VD.

 

[jurb26]

I'm thinking either Leinert or Davis will go 5. My vote was for Leinert though. He is as rady as you can get coming in, has a QB in front of him that shouldn't make it past 3 weeks upright and amazing talent around him at the skill positions. Actually, I can see him going as high as 3rd. I think Bush and Williams create a nice seperation above everyone else.

 

[creeps1313]

Voted Lienart...but thats because i need one..BAD. If I already had a stud QB Id go with Davis.

 

[The Houston Stallions]

I'm thinking either Leinert or Davis will go 5.  My vote was for Leinert though.  He is as rady as you can get coming in, has a QB in front of him that shouldn't make it past 3 weeks upright and amazing talent around him at the skill positions.  Actually, I can see him going as high as 3rd.  I think Bush and Williams create a nice seperation above everyone else.

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No telling when Warner will go down and if that will be best for Leinart in the long run.But I agree about the value presented. I recently traded down from 1.02 when I also had 1.01. I took Bush there and got 1.06 and 2.01 for the pick. My goal was to draft White, Leinart, or Davis.

My only starting QB is Carr and I have Gaines and Jolly at TE. That makes TE more of a priority but QB must be addressed. In such a deep TE draft, I can easily draft one in a later round. But Davis is an absolute stud!!

It's just the Leinart upside that makes me ponder this selection.

 

[Red Herring]

Tough choice between Leinart and Davis. Young is out of the discussion since you will probably be wating till at least year 3 for a decent fantasy year, maybe longer. Fantasy, even dynasty, is all about winning now.

I voted Lienart for the quality of weapons around him. If Alex Smith doesn't develop, it could be a couple years before Davis becomes what you drafted him at 1.05/1.06 for. Lienart probably gets a few starts at the end of this year (barring Warner staying healthy -- yeah right) and will be a top 12 guy in '07 easily.

 

[Kleck.]

Need based really. Everything equal, I probably take VD.

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I agree. If there is a need to fill at QB you might as well take your pick. If you are a KJones or Taylor/GJones owner I think you could make an argument to take Calhoun or Drew here. Consensus dynasty rankings just don't work IMO as each league can be so different from others. But, all things being equal and following the BPA strategy, I'd take Vernon Davis.

 

[The Houston Stallions]

Tough choice between Leinart and Davis. Young is out of the discussion since you will probably be wating till at least year 3 for a decent fantasy year, maybe longer. Fantasy, even dynasty, is all about winning now.

I voted Lienart for the quality of weapons around him. If Alex Smith doesn't develop, it could be a couple years before Davis becomes what you drafted him at 1.05/1.06 for. Lienart probably gets a few starts at the end of this year (barring Warner staying healthy -- yeah right) and will be a top 12 guy in '07 easily.

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I also have the 1.11 pick so I could still get a top 3 QB or maybe Lewis at TE.

 

[mcjc4]

I voted for Leinart as well, but I did because I'm pretty sure 3-5 years from now he will be a Pro-Bowler putting up sick numbers in that offense.

 

[cstu]

I voted for Leinart as well, but I did because I'm pretty sure 3-5 years from now he will be a Pro-Bowler putting up sick numbers in that offense.

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[mike11162]

I take Leinart because he's BPA, but need could change that. If I had to have another RB, I take Norwood every day of the week before Calhoun or Drew. Why is Calhoun even in this poll? Is he even a first round pick in a 12 team rookie draft?

 

[Red Herring]

Tough choice between Leinart and Davis. Young is out of the discussion since you will probably be wating till at least year 3 for a decent fantasy year, maybe longer. Fantasy, even dynasty, is all about winning now.

I voted Lienart for the quality of weapons around him. If Alex Smith doesn't develop, it could be a couple years before Davis becomes what you drafted him at 1.05/1.06 for. Lienart probably gets a few starts at the end of this year (barring Warner staying healthy -- yeah right) and will be a top 12 guy in '07 easily.

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I also have the 1.11 pick so I could still get a top 3 QB or maybe Lewis at TE.
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In that scenario, I take Leinart/TE. Leinart landed in such a better situation than Young, and Cutler has some developing to do as well. IMO, you get better stats out of, say leinart/lewis than you would out of Davis/Cutler. I also think its much more likely a serviceable TE falls to you at 1.11 than young/cutler...

 

[Fullback Fro]

I would take Young. I see a young McNabb here.

 

[Tick]

I can't believe Jackson doesn't have a vote - he would be my second choice here.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

I can't believe Jackson doesn't have a vote - he would be my second choice here.

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I have the 1.6 in 3 leagues. Wouldn't you know it: in all three I am set at QB and TE. So I'm obviously considering trading down or out of the 1st round or looking at one of the top receivers... just seems a little high in the 1st to go receiver. Definitely have to think need versus value (if I can't trade down).

 

[SoloMatisse]

Who would you rather have between Carson Palmer and Kellen Winslow, Jr. ? not a direct correlation between the players, but just think along those lines. Davis will certainly not waste 2 years of his NFL life, but a QB vs TE?....the QB throwing to a league best tandem in Fitzgerald and Boldin with Edge in the backfield?.....and a TE taking balls from one of the worst Qs in the league with no other significant help???...hats not really even close. Leinart.

 

[The Houston Stallions]

Well, this began as an easy choice, being Davis. Because I have Carr and he can be a top 10 QB himself. But Leinart could be the #1 QB next year and Davis, although appears to be a stud, is no shoe in for stardom.

I'm definately weaker at TE than QB but both need attention. I have no #2 QB because of offseason trades.

 

[Birdie048]

Voted QB here .... I really hate the "Hollywood" boy, but Leinart has the weapons to excell!

Young needs a whole new offense to stay alive in 2006!

Edit to add... my TE required league is auction.... a TE that high is not worth the cap hit.

 

[J-Money]

davis went #2 in our draft

 

[trader jake]

davis went #2 in our draft

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that owner clearly doesn't understand value

even if he's stacked at RB he could have added something and still moved down to #5 or #6 and selected vernon davis

i'd go matt leinart at 1.06. the talent and opportunity are both there...and with leinart so is the surrounding cast and system to succeed

 

[The Houston Stallions]

davis went #2 in our draft

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that owner clearly doesn't understand value

even if he's stacked at RB he could have added something and still moved down to #5 or #6 and selected vernon davis

i'd go matt leinart at 1.06. the talent and opportunity are both there...and with leinart so is the surrounding cast and system to succeed

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I took Leinart. I had the 1.01, 1.02, and 1.11 pics in this draft. I took Bush at 1.01. Traded 1.02 for 1.06 and 2.01. Because I'm not sold on the other RBs and would have gone Maroney if I stayed. But I'm actually pretty good at RB with the addition of Bush. Really need help at TE and QB. Also, this is a IDP draft. Which makes the 2nd round pretty valuable.

Thanks for the opinions. I was starting to ish I had just stayed at 1.02 and picked Maroney. He would have been an easier choice than Leinart/Davis.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

davis went #2 in our draft

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that owner clearly doesn't understand value

even if he's stacked at RB he could have added something and still moved down to #5 or #6 and selected vernon davis

i'd go matt leinart at 1.06. the talent and opportunity are both there...and with leinart so is the surrounding cast and system to succeed

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Actually, I would say that you don't understand dynasty leagues and are more concerned with looking smart than getting the player you want. Value means that you take a player at the last possible moment that he will be on the board. IN more than one draft, Davis goes at 4. Bloom, who knows a thing or two about dynasty, said he would have been thrilled to get Davis at 4. SO if you want Davis, and you slide to 5 to get him, you may be in for a surprise.Four years ago, after the first Patriots superbowl run, I held off on drafting Tom Brady in the seventh round, even though I though he would be great, because no one was drafting him before round ten. He went two picks before me in round eight to a team that had a QB. That guy has never had to worry about the QB position since.

In dynasty, if you like a player, and there is a question he may be gone, you just take him. You will have that player or another player for a long time. If you get to cute, it usually bites you.

 

[Slinger]

So I take it you're the one who drafted Vernon Davis with the 1.2 pick?

 

[trader jake]

In dynasty, if you like a player, and there is a question he may be gone, you just take him. You will have that player or another player for a long time. If you get to cute, it usually bites you.

didn't intend to sound harsh with my earlier post my experience in dynasty leagues just leads me to draft RB's at almost every reasonable chance during rookie drafts. getting the guy you want is important but not at the expense of taking a TE #2 when 4 1st round talent RB's are all still available. in this years draft there are plenty of quality rookie TE's available on top of it (of course none at vernon davis' ability)drafting vernon davis just doesn't make sense at #2 imo...no matter what your dynasty roster looks likejust my 2 cents...good luck

 

[rabidfireweasel]

No, not at all. I simply think that "value" is overrated and misunderstood in dynasty leagues. In a redraft, it is a little more solid concept, where you simply are projecting players for a year. When you are projecting players for a career, you must consider talent, first and foremost. You should try to get great players. In a TE required league, Davis has fewer questions surrounding him than any player other than Bush. I probably would not draft him at two. However, if I wanted him, I would take him at two, because I cannot be certain he will be there at 5 or 6.

 

[The Houston Stallions]

No, not at all. I simply think that "value" is overrated and misunderstood in dynasty leagues. In a redraft, it is a little more solid concept, where you simply are projecting players for a year. When you are projecting players for a career, you must consider talent, first and foremost. You should try to get great players. In a TE required league, Davis has fewer questions surrounding him than any player other than Bush. I probably would not draft him at two. However, if I wanted him, I would take him at two, because I cannot be certain he will be there at 5 or 6.

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For the record, Bloom said he would have taken him at #4 in a league where Gates was the #2 overall points scorer. They must get 2 points per rec or something to raise the TE value. I read that thread several times and all of his post to make my decision.

 

[WisWolvrns]

No, not at all. I simply think that "value" is overrated and misunderstood in dynasty leagues. In a redraft, it is a little more solid concept, where you simply are projecting players for a year. When you are projecting players for a career, you must consider talent, first and foremost. You should try to get great players. In a TE required league, Davis has fewer questions surrounding him than any player other than Bush. I probably would not draft him at two. However, if I wanted him, I would take him at two, because I cannot be certain he will be there at 5 or 6.

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As in dynasty leagues, things change year to year with free agency, but a stud talent that is physically better has a chance to be good regardless of the supporting cast and could actually be the player who makes a team tick. So my choice would be Davis. He could be the Randy Moss equavalent at TE. And since you mentioned you are required to start a TE, how many quality TE's are out there? There should be more QBs available and the points between the 4th and 14th scoring QB won't be as big a difference as Davis could be between the 7-14th starting TEs in a league...

Davis will be the best "WR" on his team. Similar to what can be said about Gonzo, Gates, Heap... this year teams will probably still be crushing SF, so Davis will probably get alot of garbage time underneath catches/yards while teams play a prevent D. I also figure Davis for a few long Td's due to his speed.

 

[J-Money]

davis went #2 in our draft

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that owner clearly doesn't understand value

even if he's stacked at RB he could have added something and still moved down to #5 or #6 and selected vernon davis

i'd go matt leinart at 1.06. the talent and opportunity are both there...and with leinart so is the surrounding cast and system to succeed

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If it helps he had the 1.01 pick as well and got Bush...So he still got the top rated rb

 

[5Rings]

In Z35 today, Leinart went 6 and VD 7.

Bush-Maroney-DeAngelo-White-Addai-Lenart-VD

fwiw

 

[el centro]

In a "TE-Required" league - I vote Davis. However, in a lot of leagues where RBs are greatly overvalued based on the league setup - Norwood & Harrison are going to creep up.