1.11: Who Should The San Francisco 49ers Take? (1 Viewer)

[Sigmund Bloom]

Who should the 49ers take?

 

[cstu]

I agree with getting Willis and letting Singletary tutor him.

 

[mlball77]

Willis seems a good way to go.

What WRs might be available there? Could they take a WR that early?

 

[hacman]

Many Niner fans have pretty much decided it will either be Carriker, who is a low risk to bust at a need position- or Willis, who has a chance to be special even though ILB is not really a need for them.

When discussing a DT, it was usually Branch. I think it was assumed by us that a 3-4 tackle needed to be a space-eater (at the least) and since Okoye was smaller, the Niners wouldn't consider him.

I'm for franchise players at this point of the draft, so I would be happy with Willis. The other percentage of Niner fans see a wr here (as do many national mock drafts), which I don't want to see, nor do I think it would have value that high in the draft.

Edited for clarity.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Willis seems a good way to go.What WRs might be available there? Could they take a WR that early?

If it's a WR, it will be Meachem. I don't think any other WR has made as good a case to be picked that early.

 

[5Rings]

Many Niner fans have pretty much have decided it will be either Carriker, who is a low risk to bust at a need position or Willis, who has chance to be special even though ILB is not really a need.When discussing a DT, it was usually Branch. I think it was assumed by us that a 3-4 tackle needed to be a space-eater (at the least) and since Okoye was smaller, the Niners wouldn't consider him.I'm for franchise players at the point at the draft, so I would be happy with Willis. The other percentage of Niner fans (and many national mock drafts) see a wr here, which I don't want to see nor do I see value at that point in the draft.

From what I've heard lately the Niner draft board is Branch/Landry/Willis.Agree 100% on the "franchise" statement...which is why I'm one of the few who does not want Carriker. I think he'll be a nice player, but nothing special. I'd prefer Meachem over him, to be honest.If available, my preference in order would be Branch/Willis/Meacham.It looks like the value at 11 will be on the D side of the ball. Whats tough is that unless we get lucky and land Sidney Rice or Jarrett in rd 2, the WR corps will rival Minny's for ugliest in the NFL. I'm very worried about or offense right now; Alex needs help and a Norv-less Gore can't beat 8 in the box all year. I'm hoping we use our pick depth to trade back up into late 1/early 2 and get a sliding WR after getting our franchise D guy at 11.

 

[Biabreakable]

Hard to argue with Willis here if he is still available. A true elite prospect like him does not come around every year. I would not pass on him if I were a few teams ahead of this slot.

Carriker is also a great prospect. He does not appear to be elite like Willis is but he should be solid and his versitility is a real plus. Hard to argue against what this guys strength can do for a defense.

As an Alex Smith owner in a couple leagues I would love to see a Wr pick. But I think the above 2 defensive prospects are better choices imo for BPA. Defense also happens to be a greater need for the 9ers and a Wr can be had in the 2nd round while defensive prospects like those 2 will not last long.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

It looks like the value at 11 will be on the D side of the ball. Whats tough is that unless we get lucky and land Sidney Rice or Jarrett in rd 2, the WR corps will rival Minny's for ugliest in the NFL. I'm very worried about or offense right now; Alex needs help and a Norv-less Gore can't beat 8 in the box all year. I'm hoping we use our pick depth to trade back up into late 1/early 2 and get a sliding WR after getting our franchise D guy at 11.

Jason Hill might be there in the 2nd, and he very well could end up as productive as Jarrett or Rice. Steve Smith or Anthony Gonzalez would make a fine consolation prize if they are all gone, but they are #2s, and the Niners need a guy who has a chance to be a #1.

 

[toxicbees]

I think it comes down to Willis or Carriker. Since I think D-Line help is more pressing I'd like to see the Niners draft Carriker.

 

[mcd]

I'm hoping Branch will slide down to them. If not, Okoye would be my choice. The 49ers couldn't stop the interior run last season & haven't had a quality run stopping anchor since the heydays of Bryant & Stubblefield. If one of these guys is available they would have to take them. If both are gone, grab Willis. I don't like any of the receivers that will be there at 11.

 

[Trap Play]

What 'cho talkin' 'bout, Willis?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Willis/Carriker/Branch/Meachem.

Darkhorse: Levi Brown

 

[kensat30]

Willis/Carriker in the 1st.

WR in the 2nd.

 

[hacman]

Not sure if Sean Baca posts in here, but I wanted to ask him if he left Ted Ginn out of his two round mock intentionally… I’m trying to see who the Niners would end up with if they decided to target a wr in the second round. My guess is that value at wide out would fall to them.

Also, in Sean’s mock he has Lorenzo Booker going high in the 2nd round. Is he really moving that high up the charts? I’m used to seeing him in the 3rd… My pet scenario is to pair up Sydney Rice in the 2nd with Lorenzo Booker in the 3rd and use Booker in a Bush-type role to off-set their lack of wide outs. Booker can save some wear-and-tear on Gore and since Maurice Hicks will likely be signed away, this plan has added merit. Anyway, those two might be gone in those spots anyway.

The other option is moving up to take two 1st round picks, similar to the Manny Lawson pick last year. Since the Niners have 2 third round picks and 4 fourth round picks, they would probably give up a 2nd and 3rd to move up into the last third of the 1st round to grab someone they feel they need to have.

 

[Sean Baca]

Not sure if Sean Baca posts in here, but I wanted to ask him if he left Ted Ginn out of his two round mock intentionally… I’m trying to see who the Niners would end up with if they decided to target a wr in the second round. My guess is that value at wide out would fall to them. Also, in Sean’s mock he has Lorenzo Booker going high in the 2nd round. Is he really moving that high up the charts? I’m used to seeing him in the 3rd… My pet scenario is to pair up Sydney Rice in the 2nd with Lorenzo Booker in the 3rd and use Booker in a Bush-type role to off-set their lack of wide outs. Booker can save some wear-and-tear on Gore and since Maurice Hicks will likely be signed away, this plan has added merit. Anyway, those two might be gone in those spots anyway.The other option is moving up to take two 1st round picks, similar to the Manny Lawson pick last year. Since the Niners have 2 third round picks and 4 fourth round picks, they would probably give up a 2nd and 3rd to move up into the last third of the 1st round to grab someone they feel they need to have.

Rice and Booker would make quite a haul for the Niners. I have Booker going so high because I have the Bills who need a running back going with Hall in the first and taking Booker in the second. To answer your question on Ginn, no it was no intentional, I just have him ranked lower than most but I do see him going early in the draft, just not in my mock. No left-over angst from him beating my beloved Wolverines over and over.

 

[Obie Wan]

Not sure if Sean Baca posts in here, but I wanted to ask him if he left Ted Ginn out of his two round mock intentionally… I’m trying to see who the Niners would end up with if they decided to target a wr in the second round. My guess is that value at wide out would fall to them. Also, in Sean’s mock he has Lorenzo Booker going high in the 2nd round. Is he really moving that high up the charts? I’m used to seeing him in the 3rd… My pet scenario is to pair up Sydney Rice in the 2nd with Lorenzo Booker in the 3rd and use Booker in a Bush-type role to off-set their lack of wide outs. Booker can save some wear-and-tear on Gore and since Maurice Hicks will likely be signed away, this plan has added merit. Anyway, those two might be gone in those spots anyway.The other option is moving up to take two 1st round picks, similar to the Manny Lawson pick last year. Since the Niners have 2 third round picks and 4 fourth round picks, they would probably give up a 2nd and 3rd to move up into the last third of the 1st round to grab someone they feel they need to have.

Rice and Booker would make quite a haul for the Niners. I have Booker going so high because I have the Bills who need a running back going with Hall in the first and taking Booker in the second. To answer your question on Ginn, no it was no intentional, I just have him ranked lower than most but I do see him going early in the draft, just not in my mock. No left-over angst from him beating my beloved Wolverines over and over.

The Bills will not take Hall over Willis.Willis is a more elite talent and fills a bigger hole in the cover-2.Bills will wait to round 3 where they can take whoever falls, Booker, Brandon Jackson.

 

[derek19]

I agree with 5rings and hacman. Our D-line is UGLY!!! But I also think that you can't pass one someone like Willis. Right now our LB core looks like this:

OLB - Banta-cain (who i'm not sold on)

ILB - Derek Smith (who i'm worried about)

ILB - Brandon Moore (man-love)

OLB - Manny Lawson (again, man-love)

9ers also have OLBer's Rodrick Green and Parys Haralson. Rodrick Green also plays DE during passing situations. I know Rodrick Green and Haralson are not superstars, but i do think they do give niners good depth at the OLBer position.

DRAFT WILLIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My list: Willis, Landry, Meachem. If they are able to draft willis or landry, hopefully they can trade into the first round, like last year and be able to grab meachem....

Go Niners....

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Another board I'm on is doing a mock. I have the 49ers and took Willis. Hope that makes you happy.

 

[hacman]

Not sure if Sean Baca posts in here, but I wanted to ask him if he left Ted Ginn out of his two round mock intentionally… I’m trying to see who the Niners would end up with if they decided to target a wr in the second round. My guess is that value at wide out would fall to them. Also, in Sean’s mock he has Lorenzo Booker going high in the 2nd round. Is he really moving that high up the charts? I’m used to seeing him in the 3rd… My pet scenario is to pair up Sydney Rice in the 2nd with Lorenzo Booker in the 3rd and use Booker in a Bush-type role to off-set their lack of wide outs. Booker can save some wear-and-tear on Gore and since Maurice Hicks will likely be signed away, this plan has added merit. Anyway, those two might be gone in those spots anyway.The other option is moving up to take two 1st round picks, similar to the Manny Lawson pick last year. Since the Niners have 2 third round picks and 4 fourth round picks, they would probably give up a 2nd and 3rd to move up into the last third of the 1st round to grab someone they feel they need to have.

Rice and Booker would make quite a haul for the Niners. I have Booker going so high because I have the Bills who need a running back going with Hall in the first and taking Booker in the second. To answer your question on Ginn, no it was no intentional, I just have him ranked lower than most but I do see him going early in the draft, just not in my mock. No left-over angst from him beating my beloved Wolverines over and over.

Thanks Sean-

 

[Andy Dufresne]

My next mock has them taking Jamaal Anderson.

 

[J R]

Many Niner fans have pretty much decided it will either be Carriker, who is a low risk to bust at a need position- or Willis, who has a chance to be special even though ILB is not really a need for them.

I have a question about this - because it seems to be what most (though not all) say about Carriker in internet draft writing. Why exactly does Carriker have less chance to be 'special' than Willis? How in general did Carriker get this perception that he's a lower-upside safe pick? mayock has carriker rated #8.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Many Niner fans have pretty much decided it will either be Carriker, who is a low risk to bust at a need position- or Willis, who has a chance to be special even though ILB is not really a need for them.

I have a question about this - because it seems to be what most (though not all) say about Carriker in internet draft writing. Why exactly does Carriker have less chance to be 'special' than Willis? How in general did Carriker get this perception that he's a lower-upside safe pick? mayock has carriker rated #8.

Carriker is not an explosive "quick twitch" kind of athlete, that's why he has less chance to be "special". His upside is roughly crossing Justin Smith with Richard Seymour. Extremely important for helping a team win games, but not exactly the kind of guy to make transcendant individual plays. I think that's all people mean when say Carriker won't be "special" - he won't necessarily make game changing plays - but he will set up his teammates to make them.

 

[J R]

Many Niner fans have pretty much decided it will either be Carriker, who is a low risk to bust at a need position- or Willis, who has a chance to be special even though ILB is not really a need for them.

I have a question about this - because it seems to be what most (though not all) say about Carriker in internet draft writing. Why exactly does Carriker have less chance to be 'special' than Willis? How in general did Carriker get this perception that he's a lower-upside safe pick? mayock has carriker rated #8.

Carriker is not an explosive "quick twitch" kind of athlete, that's why he has less chance to be "special". His upside is roughly crossing Justin Smith with Richard Seymour. Extremely important for helping a team win games, but not exactly the kind of guy to make transcendant individual plays. I think that's all people mean when say Carriker won't be "special" - he won't necessarily make game changing plays - but he will set up his teammates to make them.

This is going to sound flip, but . . . that's it? quick twitch is synonymous with upside then?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Many Niner fans have pretty much decided it will either be Carriker, who is a low risk to bust at a need position- or Willis, who has a chance to be special even though ILB is not really a need for them.

I have a question about this - because it seems to be what most (though not all) say about Carriker in internet draft writing. Why exactly does Carriker have less chance to be 'special' than Willis? How in general did Carriker get this perception that he's a lower-upside safe pick? mayock has carriker rated #8.

Carriker is not an explosive "quick twitch" kind of athlete, that's why he has less chance to be "special". His upside is roughly crossing Justin Smith with Richard Seymour. Extremely important for helping a team win games, but not exactly the kind of guy to make transcendant individual plays. I think that's all people mean when say Carriker won't be "special" - he won't necessarily make game changing plays - but he will set up his teammates to make them.

This is going to sound flip, but . . . that's it? quick twitch is synonymous with upside then?

on the DL, yes.

 

[J R]

Many Niner fans have pretty much decided it will either be Carriker, who is a low risk to bust at a need position- or Willis, who has a chance to be special even though ILB is not really a need for them.

I have a question about this - because it seems to be what most (though not all) say about Carriker in internet draft writing. Why exactly does Carriker have less chance to be 'special' than Willis? How in general did Carriker get this perception that he's a lower-upside safe pick? mayock has carriker rated #8.

Carriker is not an explosive "quick twitch" kind of athlete, that's why he has less chance to be "special". His upside is roughly crossing Justin Smith with Richard Seymour. Extremely important for helping a team win games, but not exactly the kind of guy to make transcendant individual plays. I think that's all people mean when say Carriker won't be "special" - he won't necessarily make game changing plays - but he will set up his teammates to make them.

This is going to sound flip, but . . . that's it? quick twitch is synonymous with upside then?

on the DL, yes.

Interesting. Thanks for answering my questions, Bloom.Wait, another question - if quick twitch = high upside for DL, that only explains what Carriker lacks. What's the something other than quick twitch that Patrick Willis has?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Many Niner fans have pretty much decided it will either be Carriker, who is a low risk to bust at a need position- or Willis, who has a chance to be special even though ILB is not really a need for them.

I have a question about this - because it seems to be what most (though not all) say about Carriker in internet draft writing. Why exactly does Carriker have less chance to be 'special' than Willis? How in general did Carriker get this perception that he's a lower-upside safe pick? mayock has carriker rated #8.

Carriker is not an explosive "quick twitch" kind of athlete, that's why he has less chance to be "special". His upside is roughly crossing Justin Smith with Richard Seymour. Extremely important for helping a team win games, but not exactly the kind of guy to make transcendant individual plays. I think that's all people mean when say Carriker won't be "special" - he won't necessarily make game changing plays - but he will set up his teammates to make them.

This is going to sound flip, but . . . that's it? quick twitch is synonymous with upside then?

on the DL, yes.

Interesting. Thanks for answering my questions, Bloom.Wait, another question - if quick twitch = high upside for DL, that only explains what Carriker lacks. What's the something other than quick twitch that Patrick Willis has?

outstanding instincts and explosive, but very sound tackling. He's like DeMeco Ryans v 2.0. He will make individual plays that completely change the momentum of a game. Carriker may make a few, but his value is more in how he can help the 3/4 run as a whole and free up guys like Lawson and Moore to make their game changing plays. Just like in Pittsburgh - Aaron Smith and Kimo Van Oelhoffen rarely made highlight plays on the Super Bowl winning team, but their penetration and occupation of multiple blockers helped Farrior, Porter, and Polamalu have the opportunity to make the INT or SACK that changed the momentum in a game.