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1.17: Who Should The Jacksonville Jaguars Take? (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Ted Ginn
Why are you sticking up for Cecil? All the cool kids are over here...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Because I think Ginn would help the Jaguars win more games than Reggie Nelson would. Jacksonville's pass offense would really open up with a guy that can get downfield like Ginn can. It would make their other recievers better as none on the roster currently fit that role. Can you imagine putting a potent passing scheme to match the running game.
Reggie Nelson may be a playmaker, and safety may be their biggest need. But improving the offense thusly helps them win more games, IMO.Take the safety later.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
They haven't taken any receivers in round 1 lately, so that's a need.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
They never should have drafted Soward.Reggie Williams is too slow.Matt Jones is a converted quarterback.In other words, I pretty much agree with your statement.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
A speedy WR is a need, but I can't see how Ginn is their player at 17. I see this happening in later rounds.
If someone of value slips from they will chose him over a position of need.
I like Reggie Nelson here though.
If someone of value slips from they will chose him over a position of need.
I like Reggie Nelson here though.
I agree with this, and it was basically my argument for them taking Ginn in an earlier mock. If the deep safety is thinking about Ginn, then the trees can rule the middle of the field. They also sorely need a boost in the return game.Because I think Ginn would help the Jaguars win more games than Reggie Nelson would. Jacksonville's pass offense would really open up with a guy that can get downfield like Ginn can. It would make their other recievers better as none on the roster currently fit that role. Can you imagine putting a potent passing scheme to match the running game.Reggie Nelson may be a playmaker, and safety may be their biggest need. But improving the offense thusly helps them win more games, IMO.Take the safety later.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Bloom,Please define sorely in this case.I agree with this, and it was basically my argument for them taking Ginn in an earlier mock. If the deep safety is thinking about Ginn, then the trees can rule the middle of the field. They also sorely need a boost in the return game.Because I think Ginn would help the Jaguars win more games than Reggie Nelson would. Jacksonville's pass offense would really open up with a guy that can get downfield like Ginn can. It would make their other recievers better as none on the roster currently fit that role. Can you imagine putting a potent passing scheme to match the running game.
Chad Owens did not work out, and Alvin Pearman is merely competent - he doesn't have gamebreaking speed. Maurice Jones-Drew gives them a good kickoff return man, but the punt return game could use a difference maker.Bloom,Please define sorely in this case.I agree with this, and it was basically my argument for them taking Ginn in an earlier mock. If the deep safety is thinking about Ginn, then the trees can rule the middle of the field. They also sorely need a boost in the return game.Because I think Ginn would help the Jaguars win more games than Reggie Nelson would. Jacksonville's pass offense would really open up with a guy that can get downfield like Ginn can. It would make their other recievers better as none on the roster currently fit that role. Can you imagine putting a potent passing scheme to match the running game.Reggie Nelson may be a playmaker, and safety may be their biggest need. But improving the offense thusly helps them win more games, IMO.Take the safety later.
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
I was just wondering if you meant just KO returns.Chad Owens did not work out, and Alvin Pearman is merely competent - he doesn't have gamebreaking speed. Maurice Jones-Drew gives them a good kickoff return man, but the punt return game could use a difference maker.Bloom,Please define sorely in this case.I agree with this, and it was basically my argument for them taking Ginn in an earlier mock. If the deep safety is thinking about Ginn, then the trees can rule the middle of the field. They also sorely need a boost in the return game.Because I think Ginn would help the Jaguars win more games than Reggie Nelson would. Jacksonville's pass offense would really open up with a guy that can get downfield like Ginn can. It would make their other recievers better as none on the roster currently fit that role. Can you imagine putting a potent passing scheme to match the running game.Reggie Nelson may be a playmaker, and safety may be their biggest need. But improving the offense thusly helps them win more games, IMO.Take the safety later.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
They still need someone on that line who can get after the QB. To me Jarvis Moss makes the most sense. I have a hard time seeing Carriker on the same line as Henderson and Stroud. Saftey can be addressed in later rounds.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Who cares? We could sit here and list the converted QBs who have done well as WRs. Or we can just agree to see what the future brings.I don't like the Ginn pick because
A) I don't see the value
B) Speedy WRs can be had later in the draft.
C) If you want a top return man, take Yamon Figurs in the 6th.
I do agree that he'd change the defense. They need some top speed on O, but without trading down, Ginn isn't the guy here.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
We could? I can count the number on one finger - but only a short stubby one. - Antwaan Randle-ElETA: Thought of a 2nd one - Ron Curry.
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Really? Give us some more "expert" opinion on this.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well. That was a bit harsh. He is "too slow" to be considered much of a "vertical threat."His 40 time at the combine (yes, I know it was a while ago) was 4.52.
And before last year's decent outing, he was on the verge of being considered a bust.
I like how you put quotes around 'expert'. I never claimed to be one.
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
low 4.5's at the combine. High 4.4's at his pro day. I do agree that he isn't much of a vertical threat.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Wasn't Hines Ward primarily a WR at Georgia? How much QB did he play?I don't see much else in that list that's terribly exciting.
What are we debating again?
-OZ-
Footballguy
All I'm saying is Jones being a converted QB shouldn't impact whether another WR should be drafted in the 1st round.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
What about the fact that he isn't a very good reciever?
-OZ-
Footballguy
If the Jaguars staff feels that he's a bust, that would be relevant.What about the fact that he isn't a very good reciever?All I'm saying is Jones being a converted QB shouldn't impact whether another WR should be drafted in the 1st round.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If the Jaguars staff feels that he's a bust, that would be relevant.What about the fact that he isn't a very good reciever?All I'm saying is Jones being a converted QB shouldn't impact whether another WR should be drafted in the 1st round.
TheGreatest
Footballguy
M. Griffin>>>R. Nelson
Jaguars select M. Griffin #17 overall
Jaguars select M. Griffin #17 overall
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Anyone want to bet money that Jacksonville will take a WR in R1?
No chance.
No chance.
M
Marc Faletti
Guest
I watched Michael Griffin for 4 years, and as much as I appreciate what he did for my Longhorns (especially that sick pick on Leinart in the title game), his maddening inconsistency would scare me off of him at 17. He's the classic "makes the tough play but then blows the simple one" kinda guy. The Nebraska game this year really illustrated how he can make big plays possible... for the other team.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Wanna bet they consider one?
JaxBill
Footballguy
Also, I can't see the Jags drafting Ginn. If they draft Ginn, aren't they admitting that signing Northcutt was a mistake even before he plays a down?
(I'm not saying Northcutt >= Ginn, I'm just saying they're both filling the same role on the team loaded with oversized WRs)
(I'm not saying Northcutt >= Ginn, I'm just saying they're both filling the same role on the team loaded with oversized WRs)
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Why do people say this stuff?I do not think personnel guys consider who the fans would like because he's a hometown guy. I think they'd rather win.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Something to consider- The need for a starting free safety isn't great right now. Gerald Sensabaugh will step in as of now. He's gotten alot of playing time for a reserve during the last couple of years. He has really shaken the "raw" label and is ready to stake a claim at a safety position. This, of course, won't preclude the Jags from taking Nelson if available and Sensabaugh can slide over a take the SS position in the near future.
Also, while I'm at it, I am really looking forward to seeing what a bulked-up Brent Hawkins can do this year. He's the player I am most excited to see.
Also, while I'm at it, I am really looking forward to seeing what a bulked-up Brent Hawkins can do this year. He's the player I am most excited to see.
wannabee
Footballguy
I know Northcutt will fill a need, but I see very little quickness in the Jag WRs. Jones is a vertical threat but I never thought he could be a WR1 since he is not "quick" and cannot beat strong CBs. Reg Williams is a possession WR, imo. Wilford and Northcutt are limited on what they offer.
Whether it be Ginn, or a 2nd round WR, I think the Jags could use a WR that could be a true WR1. Jones' production would definitely see improvement and Reg Williams could do well as WR3.
Whether it be Ginn, or a 2nd round WR, I think the Jags could use a WR that could be a true WR1. Jones' production would definitely see improvement and Reg Williams could do well as WR3.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
I really fell in love with Hawkins during the OTA's and mini-camp. He's a beast as a pass rusher and I sincerely hope he can stay healthy and get his chances to shine. I feel that the coaching staff has the same opinion as us two and some feel that he may negate the need to draft a DE early.EDIT: I feel the same away about Sensabaugh. Nelson would allow him the flexibility to slide over to SS if Darius wasnt 100% but I really dont feel that a.) he will be avalible at 17 and b.) it really is a first round need.
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Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Not necessairily. IIRC, cutting him would not really hurt us extensively cap-wise and many, including myself, see this as a protective measure ensuring they would have someone to fill that role (speed WR, PR) if Ginn is not avalible. Besides, its almost a moot point. James Shack Harris usually always drafts BAP and if Ginn is there at 17- I have a strong feeling he will be the BAP.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Those are all valid points.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
I have a feeling that more people will begin to take notice of Hawkins. I am also under the opinion that Reggie Nelson will not be available at 17. If the Jags truly follow their BAP philosophy, then there are soooo many options available at pick 17.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Again, I'm not argiung that Northcutt is the answer to their problems or that Northcutt is better than Ginn.
But I can't see the small-market Jags sign Northcutt to a 4.5 Mil signing bonus and then use a first-rounder to fill the same role.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/JAC/10038155
Maybe the signing bonus is really several phased-in signing bonuses, but that was the only figure I could find.
But I can't see the small-market Jags sign Northcutt to a 4.5 Mil signing bonus and then use a first-rounder to fill the same role.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/JAC/10038155
Maybe the signing bonus is really several phased-in signing bonuses, but that was the only figure I could find.
wannabee
Footballguy
Just to clarify, I think there are 2nd and 3rd round WRs that fit this descroption. I see WRs like Allison, Hill, or Jacoby Jones in the 2nd, 3rd or later as possible options.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I think a QB shifting to WR would fit the bill for Jacksonville.
They should grab a guy that is screaming up the draft charts too.
They should grab a guy that is screaming up the draft charts too.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Thanks for your contribution to this thread.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Perhaps you should focus in on drafting a male QB. God knows you havent had much luck with that over the past decade. TIA
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Seriously.
radiohead417
Footballguy
I think the Jags quietly need a DE badly, and that's where they'll go in this draft with the depth that's available on the defensive line. Let's not forget that Reggie Hayward is coming off a torn achilles - no guarantee whatsoever that he comes back even close to 100%.
So you're left with Paul Spicer (old, and has had his injuries too), Bobby McCray (a UFA after this season), Rob Meier and others. Clearly a need and value should meet there too.
Not a draftnik, so other than maybe Moss I'm not sure who will be there at #17, but my guess is they'll look at a DE when the pick goes on the clock. I think Nelson will go a higher than #17 though.
So you're left with Paul Spicer (old, and has had his injuries too), Bobby McCray (a UFA after this season), Rob Meier and others. Clearly a need and value should meet there too.
Not a draftnik, so other than maybe Moss I'm not sure who will be there at #17, but my guess is they'll look at a DE when the pick goes on the clock. I think Nelson will go a higher than #17 though.
JaxBill
Footballguy
In the "Ask Vic" column today on the Jags website, Vic Ketchman, the teams' website writer says:
Ketchman usually has some idea to what's going on in the Jags plan.But the funny part is that originally he did NOT have Ginn included. I copied this into an e-mail earlier this morning.
Routilla
Footballguy
I am of the opinion that JAX has decent WRs so adding Ginn would only help them as a returner, but with MJD back there it is not a need. I think at some point JAX will have to draft or trade for a bona fide QB. I don't think BL or DG are consistent enough to take JAX to the SB. Having said this I believe JAX would be better to draft DEF and continue to win with rushing and defense.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Miss this the first time around, sorry if it seemed like I was ignoring you.Perhaps I skipped over the part where the Jags' organization said they will shape their draft according to ticket sales? Point it out for me if so. Thanks!
