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1.25: Who Should The New York Jets Take? (1 Viewer)
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BigSteelThrill
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Zach Miller. 
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I do believe that secondary help is a fine idea, however.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Once again Jets are in a good position - they do not have to draft for need but can draft the best available on the board.
They could use an upgrade in CB so Houston/Ross would make sense
Could also use a RT/G road grader type
TE and WR is also a need
Everyone says CB but I think if a player Tanny likes falls he may snap him up regardless of position.
BTW - if Brian Leonard falls in the 2nd rd I can see the JEts grabbing him with one of their 2 2nd rders - he has Mangini written all over him!
They could use an upgrade in CB so Houston/Ross would make sense
Could also use a RT/G road grader type
TE and WR is also a need
Everyone says CB but I think if a player Tanny likes falls he may snap him up regardless of position.
BTW - if Brian Leonard falls in the 2nd rd I can see the JEts grabbing him with one of their 2 2nd rders - he has Mangini written all over him!
Rovers
Footballguy
Interesting takes... and a pretty good job even without my opinion! 
I tend to like Cecil's take, and believe the Jets would be thrilled if Houston fell to them, but that may be wishful thinking. Houston is a CB that can play a WR tight, something that is lacking in all of the Jets' CB's, with the exception of Dyson who can do it, but that isn't his strength either.
Baca's thoughts on Meriweather are interesting IF he can also play a close cover corner. Rhodes is already a good centerfielder type safety, and the Jets like Smith behind Coleman at the other spot. If Meriweather can in fact be moved around, I can see this pick and can see Meriweather being used in a sort of slash role in the Jets D backfield. Won't happen though... Mangini wants choir boys who sing at church with broken noses and busted knuckles the day after the game.
Faletti's idea that the Jets could go WR also has merit, but only if Houston is off the board (obviously the top two CB's will be long gone), but Ross remains a distinct possibilty. Miller has all the tools to be a great punt return man, except the hands.... this makes Ross more attractive. McCariens was gone with or without Brad Smith, but I don't think the Jets intend to use Smith as a regular part of any rotation at WR. Barring an injury, I don't see Pennington's demise as the Jets signal caller after this year though.... even with that point of difference, the Jets still need a deep threat, with or without the Chad, and while I would be mildly surprised with a WR here, I certainly would not be shocked. Pennington CAN throw the ball 35 yards in the air with some zip, but after that, he has to loft it..... a speed WR that can run under those rainbows in a timing sort of play would still be a welcome addition and would replace Coles in a year or two. Pennington is the Jets QB unless he gets hurt. But, missing even one game could open the door for Clemens IF he answers with a big performance.
I already more or less gave my take on Ross, Bloom's choice here. Unless Miller can show serious improvement in his ability to catch punts cleanly, Ross becomes more attractive as a player who can help both at CB and ST's.
Pretty solid takes around the board IMO. I look for the Jets to get themselves a guard at the end of round 2, so they will wait on that need until then as there won't be a OT worthy of that first round selection with Thomas and L Jones off the draft board.
I tend to like Cecil's take, and believe the Jets would be thrilled if Houston fell to them, but that may be wishful thinking. Houston is a CB that can play a WR tight, something that is lacking in all of the Jets' CB's, with the exception of Dyson who can do it, but that isn't his strength either.
Baca's thoughts on Meriweather are interesting IF he can also play a close cover corner. Rhodes is already a good centerfielder type safety, and the Jets like Smith behind Coleman at the other spot. If Meriweather can in fact be moved around, I can see this pick and can see Meriweather being used in a sort of slash role in the Jets D backfield. Won't happen though... Mangini wants choir boys who sing at church with broken noses and busted knuckles the day after the game.
Faletti's idea that the Jets could go WR also has merit, but only if Houston is off the board (obviously the top two CB's will be long gone), but Ross remains a distinct possibilty. Miller has all the tools to be a great punt return man, except the hands.... this makes Ross more attractive. McCariens was gone with or without Brad Smith, but I don't think the Jets intend to use Smith as a regular part of any rotation at WR. Barring an injury, I don't see Pennington's demise as the Jets signal caller after this year though.... even with that point of difference, the Jets still need a deep threat, with or without the Chad, and while I would be mildly surprised with a WR here, I certainly would not be shocked. Pennington CAN throw the ball 35 yards in the air with some zip, but after that, he has to loft it..... a speed WR that can run under those rainbows in a timing sort of play would still be a welcome addition and would replace Coles in a year or two. Pennington is the Jets QB unless he gets hurt. But, missing even one game could open the door for Clemens IF he answers with a big performance.
I already more or less gave my take on Ross, Bloom's choice here. Unless Miller can show serious improvement in his ability to catch punts cleanly, Ross becomes more attractive as a player who can help both at CB and ST's.
Pretty solid takes around the board IMO. I look for the Jets to get themselves a guard at the end of round 2, so they will wait on that need until then as there won't be a OT worthy of that first round selection with Thomas and L Jones off the draft board.
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TLEF316
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As long as it isnt Greg Olsen, ill be somewhat happy.
Houston- I am not an expert on DB play, but i love the idea of getting a guy who thrives in man coverage. From everything ive read, his upside is huge. He's my # 1 choice for the Jets (unless someone big falls, such as Alan Branch)
Meriweather- Are many teams looking at him as a CB? I thought he was a pure safety. Anyways, im kind of against this one. The jets dont need safety help, especially in the first round. Kerry Rhodes is a superstar in the making, both as a ball hawk and pass rusher. Eric Coleman is at least servicable, and the coaching staff loves Eric Smith for his intelligence and solid tackling (im not a big fan, and HATED the fact that we reached at least 2 rounds for him in last year's draft) I dont see the jets going safety at all.
Ginn- Ill admit im intruiged by him, especially as late as we are picking. However, im not sure he's a great fit. Yeah, he'll be able to run under Chad's 40 yard rainbows, and he'll break a few screens for sure. But is that really the jet's biggest need? I dont really think so. I already expect the Jets offense to take a giant leap forward this year due to the acquisition of thomas jones and the development of Ferguson and Mangold. Although ill admit the jets could use a playmaker, i think the addition of a more consistent running game will open up alot more downfield stuff.
Ginn would be great on punt returns, and he'd sell jerseys, but i just dont see it happening. His route running and work ethic are suspect IMO. Not a mangini type of player.
Ross- IMO, the jets dont take a corner unless they feel he has a shot to be a legit shutdown type of guy. I really havent heard that about Ross. Id much rather have Houston, and if not houston, id rather use the pick elsewhere and give Justin Miller 1 more shot to develop into a decent starting corner. If anyone can make him just that, its mangini.
Other guys i could definetly see the jets looking at....
Justin Blalock- a mauler on the right side of the line would do wonders for the run game (and by association, the play-action pass)
Anthony Spencer- The Jets could really use a blue chip pass rusher on the edge. Spencer should be able to play a hybrid type role in the 3-4
I really think the jets could make a move up into the early 2nd round, as i feel there are several intruiging prospects who could fill a need.
Houston- I am not an expert on DB play, but i love the idea of getting a guy who thrives in man coverage. From everything ive read, his upside is huge. He's my # 1 choice for the Jets (unless someone big falls, such as Alan Branch)
Meriweather- Are many teams looking at him as a CB? I thought he was a pure safety. Anyways, im kind of against this one. The jets dont need safety help, especially in the first round. Kerry Rhodes is a superstar in the making, both as a ball hawk and pass rusher. Eric Coleman is at least servicable, and the coaching staff loves Eric Smith for his intelligence and solid tackling (im not a big fan, and HATED the fact that we reached at least 2 rounds for him in last year's draft) I dont see the jets going safety at all.
Ginn- Ill admit im intruiged by him, especially as late as we are picking. However, im not sure he's a great fit. Yeah, he'll be able to run under Chad's 40 yard rainbows, and he'll break a few screens for sure. But is that really the jet's biggest need? I dont really think so. I already expect the Jets offense to take a giant leap forward this year due to the acquisition of thomas jones and the development of Ferguson and Mangold. Although ill admit the jets could use a playmaker, i think the addition of a more consistent running game will open up alot more downfield stuff.
Ginn would be great on punt returns, and he'd sell jerseys, but i just dont see it happening. His route running and work ethic are suspect IMO. Not a mangini type of player.
Ross- IMO, the jets dont take a corner unless they feel he has a shot to be a legit shutdown type of guy. I really havent heard that about Ross. Id much rather have Houston, and if not houston, id rather use the pick elsewhere and give Justin Miller 1 more shot to develop into a decent starting corner. If anyone can make him just that, its mangini.
Other guys i could definetly see the jets looking at....
Justin Blalock- a mauler on the right side of the line would do wonders for the run game (and by association, the play-action pass)
Anthony Spencer- The Jets could really use a blue chip pass rusher on the edge. Spencer should be able to play a hybrid type role in the 3-4
I really think the jets could make a move up into the early 2nd round, as i feel there are several intruiging prospects who could fill a need.
Chaos Commish
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Interesting takes... and a pretty good job even without my opinion!
I just saw this and was going to suggest the Jets take whoever you suggest or else.
Rovers
Footballguy
LOL... yes, I'm like everyone else.... I have an opinion, and ya know what they say about those.... everyone has one! Seriously though, the commentators here did a very good job, looking beyond the "generally accepted" Jets draft needs. All of the opinions offered have merit based solidly on fact and team needs. Mayock and Kiper should pay attention. These guys and this site are quickly becoming the most thoughtful well informed draft site ... yeah, in the universe. No follow the leader stuff.... solid objective conjecturing. Too bad, I probably won't be able to afford it next year!Interesting takes... and a pretty good job even without my opinion!
Andy Dufresne
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They should take that BPA guy.
Seriously. They overachieved last year and could still use a first round talent at just about any position.
Seriously. They overachieved last year and could still use a first round talent at just about any position.
<<<<<<<<<<---------- Belichek after mangini calls asking for saumuelYeah I pictured BB saying "OK just give us every pick for the next 10 years and you can have him"Bri said:
<<<<<<<<<<---------- Belichek after mangini calls asking for saumuel
That show Jets nation that I saw Lucas on is pretty far out there as far as homerism. What I didn't mention is the other guys were saying the Jets could trade for Polamalu and Samuel and ....one other guy like Samuel=1st, Polamalu=2nd, other stud=3rd. It was pretty funny. Anyhow, Lucas is the only one on that show that's realistic and he has some decent reasonning for all his thoughts too. He seem to understand the importance of intangibles in the NFL game and how BB and Mangini tick etc. For example they had a piece on Ferguson spending time with US troops working out. After the heart felt stuff, the other guys laid it on thick while Lucas said Ferguson needs to improve on this, this, and that(can't recall exactly) but did this and that extremely well for a rook. Realistic.IIRC His comments about Wright were that he won a championship with USC, coverred some top WRs we;;, didn't get a championship where he transferred and seems a bit "hungry", he and someone for the Jets met for a long time and the guy came out calling him a real smart kid that understands the game. Championship experience, experience against top WRs, hungry, smart+understands the game.....I too would imagine Mangini would like a player like that. The other guys on that show crack me up but Lucas seems OK. I don't often get to see or hear someone new that's pretty good so Lucas seems special to me now as an announcer/analyst type. Maybe by the summer he'll be an unrealistic homer like the other guys but for now his different view is a treat to watch.BTW I think Lucas had them giving 1st, 3rd, and another pick in 08 for Samuel.
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Blood Farmer
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Andy Dufresne said:
Someone will fall from the top 13-20 players. Take that guy.
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LBH
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I would really love the Jets to draft Blalock. Moore should be replaced on the right side, and Kendall is getting old. Everything Ive read about Blalock indicates he has all the intangables Mangini looks for. It would be nice to have a big road grading guard and a young top shelf OL when you consider the Jets face a great DL in Seymour,Warren, and Wilfork at least twice a year
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I would have no problem with Blalock or another stud OL - Mangold was a fantastic late 1st rd pick last year
Reaper
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I'd even like to see a trade down a bit....... then grab Blaylock or Grubbs.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Wasn't Meriweather involved in that Miami-FIU brawl? Not sure that this little spot on his record is something a guy like Mangini would want to spend a first rounder on.
I don't think guards should be drafted in the first round. You can find good guards in later rounds. On offense, the Jets could use a WR - after Coles and Cotcherry the cupboard's pretty bare, and a playmaker like Ginn would be great. I suppose if Greg Olsen falls he should be considered too, though I hate TEs that can't block and I think Chris Baker is in the top half of the league's TEs b/c he is a complete player.I also don't think CB is a major need, though I wouldn't be surprised if we took one, and I guess I wouldn't complain too hard about it, especially if we got a guy like Ross who could contribute to the lackluster punt game (though I believe that Leon Washington is going to wind up returning punts this year).What I'd really like to see is some trades. If Tannenbaum can cash in McCareins and maybe Eric Barton for something of value, I'd be pleased. I have faith in Tanny to turn up talent with the draft picks.Little Big Head said:
Rovers
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No doubt in my mind Blalock will be a very good guard in the NFL, but I'd be happier with Manny Ramirez at the end of the second and either a CB or WR in the first. No doubt Moore has to go to the bench, and Kendall is aging. As for Andy's comment.... man pretty harsh. Draft any position purely based on BPA? Do you really think the Jets suck that bad? I think you underestimate the talent on that roster. Like any team, an upgrade is always available, but to just say they are so talent depleted as to be a pure BPA draft candidate is frankly, kinda silly. Even the Raiders aren't a pure BPA team... but the Jets coming off a playoff appearance are?Little Big Head said:
LBH
Footballguy
Untouchable at JetNation posted this, and I agree with everything in his post...
Blalock just makes all the sense in the world at #25.
Mangini and Tannenbaum have let it be known that they want leaders on their team with smarts, toughness, and high character.
Blalock possesses all of those traits. He posted the highest wonderlic score and put up the most bench presses at the combine. Some people may say the wonderlic test means nothing but it does to our new look front office. The Jets draft picks last year all together averaged the highest scores on the test.
Blalock is as strong as an ox and is the elite roadgrader that we need in the running game and to help further solidify the O-line. As the old saying goes, "games are won and lost in the trenches".
I personally think all this hype around Olsen and the 1st round rated corners is all smoke and mirrors. I can't see Mangini drafting an underachieving, one dimensional TE and I can't see him taking a CB in round 1 since he built his reputation on turning late round/UDFA's players into starting defensive backs.
The good teams dominate at the LOS.
If you want to be a consistently successful organization in the NFL (and especially in the AFC) then you better be able to control the point of attack. In the east we face teams like New England and Miami twice a year and those teams have dominant defensive lines. We need to get bigger and stronger up front to contain the Seymour's, Wilfork's, and Warren's of the league.
I'm telling you, Blalock is our guy in round 1.
Only two positions are set right now on the O-line for the foreseeable future (LT and C). Kendall is headed into his 13th and perhaps final year while Moore and Clement are nothing more than decent.
I don't know about you guys, but I love the idea of having a powerhouse offensive line. Just look what Shields, Roaf, and Waters did for Trent Green and Priest Holmes in Kansas City. Both of those guys were journeymen until they were placed behind a juggernaut O-line in Kansas City.
A great offensive line can make good players look like pro-bowlers. I can't even imagine what Jones, Leon, Chad, Cotch, and Coles would be capable of with a stud-filled trench up front.
The market for guards in this league is increasing dramatically. We just saw guys like Dockery and Leonard freaking Davis get paid franchise QB coin.
I say bring in J-Block so we can be well on our way to having a beast O-line feared league wide
Blalock just makes all the sense in the world at #25.
Mangini and Tannenbaum have let it be known that they want leaders on their team with smarts, toughness, and high character.
Blalock possesses all of those traits. He posted the highest wonderlic score and put up the most bench presses at the combine. Some people may say the wonderlic test means nothing but it does to our new look front office. The Jets draft picks last year all together averaged the highest scores on the test.
Blalock is as strong as an ox and is the elite roadgrader that we need in the running game and to help further solidify the O-line. As the old saying goes, "games are won and lost in the trenches".
I personally think all this hype around Olsen and the 1st round rated corners is all smoke and mirrors. I can't see Mangini drafting an underachieving, one dimensional TE and I can't see him taking a CB in round 1 since he built his reputation on turning late round/UDFA's players into starting defensive backs.
The good teams dominate at the LOS.
If you want to be a consistently successful organization in the NFL (and especially in the AFC) then you better be able to control the point of attack. In the east we face teams like New England and Miami twice a year and those teams have dominant defensive lines. We need to get bigger and stronger up front to contain the Seymour's, Wilfork's, and Warren's of the league.
I'm telling you, Blalock is our guy in round 1.
Only two positions are set right now on the O-line for the foreseeable future (LT and C). Kendall is headed into his 13th and perhaps final year while Moore and Clement are nothing more than decent.
I don't know about you guys, but I love the idea of having a powerhouse offensive line. Just look what Shields, Roaf, and Waters did for Trent Green and Priest Holmes in Kansas City. Both of those guys were journeymen until they were placed behind a juggernaut O-line in Kansas City.
A great offensive line can make good players look like pro-bowlers. I can't even imagine what Jones, Leon, Chad, Cotch, and Coles would be capable of with a stud-filled trench up front.
The market for guards in this league is increasing dramatically. We just saw guys like Dockery and Leonard freaking Davis get paid franchise QB coin.
I say bring in J-Block so we can be well on our way to having a beast O-line feared league wide
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's not what I said. I did not say they suck. I said they overachieved. They did so by playing as a team.But that doesn't change the fact that they're not extremely talented at very many positions. I think the only positions that BPA doesn't apply for on the Jets team are at center, QB, and running backs. Every other position could potentially be upgraded I's probably better to think of it in terms of which UNITS won't be upgraded by a first rounder. The only units that don't need upgrading with a 1st rounder are QB and RB. Other than that, a rookie could significantly improve either line, the WR corps, the TE position, the LBs, and the DBs.Pointing out the Raiders takes the conversation out of context since they're picking #1 overall. That's not the same conversation as the #25 pick.As for Andy's comment.... man pretty harsh. Draft any position purely based on BPA? Do you really think the Jets suck that bad? I think you underestimate the talent on that roster. Like any team, an upgrade is always available, but to just say they are so talent depleted as to be a pure BPA draft candidate is frankly, kinda silly. Even the Raiders aren't a pure BPA team... but the Jets coming off a playoff appearance are?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
This makes a lot of sense - having a big time OL would realy help cover up Chad's deficencies - give him time back there and he can get the job done. I would be very happy with Blalock in the 1st - Jets then have two 2nds and a 3rd to address other needs - could see them moving back up if one of the CBs drops as well.
Rovers
Footballguy
Well, I was certain it would be a CB.... but the trade up for Revis was golden. Very happy with that move. Mangini knew why the Pats beat them in that playoff game.... the lack of a CB who can defend outside on the three step drop... and also come up in run defense. I didn't see this trade up coming, but I love the move.
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