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BassNBrew

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I've wathced the last two games and jake isn't slumping, something is very wrong. We're not talking about throws that are slight off, we're talking different zip codes on the deep ball. I'd hazard to guess that half of the prep QBs in a 25 mile radius of BOA stadium could throw a better deep ball right now. an 8-2 record hides many sins and problems. I'm shorting jake the rest of the year. Suspect that the elbow is toast.

 
this thread (from May 2008) has some comparisons between Delhomme and Pennington, and openly wonders if any QB has ever come back from "Tommy John" surgery.

Delhomme is one of only THREE NFL QBs who have ever had Tommy John surgery (replacing a ligament in the elbow). The other two were Craig Erickson and Rob Johnson. :lmao:

 
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What's odd is that prior to 2 weeks ago, he looked like he was back.

You can almost write off the Oakland effort given that pass defense is the only thing the Raiders are even close to good at, but 2 clunkers in a row makes you go hmm (and puts Moose on my bench until further notice).

 
Jake has had clunker games over the last several years. All QB"s can have a mini slump. Last weekend he wasn't as bad as against Oakland. He threw some floaters, but he had zero turnovers and TD, and they ran all over Detroit. Also, the OL didn't do him any favors in the Oakland game, and last weekend the whole offense started off very slow, and as usual there were some drops. I'm certainly not going to stick a fork in Jake over a couple down games, and last weekend wasn't that bad.

 
I'm not ready to write him off either--it's not like they needed to pass against Detroit. Playing in the dome at Atlanta this week might be telling--they've always played the Panthers tough at home.

 
Under this premise, the future of Carson Palmer may not be so bright.
He hasn't had TJ surgery and if he actually needed it, one would think the Bengals would have scheduled it already and got it over with. But then again it is the Bengals we are tlaking about.
 
I'm with simey and glumpy. I don't think his arm is cooked just because he did terrible against Oakland, and had a so so game last weekend. He is an easy target to say "something is wrong with his arm" since he had tommy john surgery, but he has looked good in several games this year. I'm not buying that all of a sudden his arm is cooked. He will definitely have to pick up his play from here on out since the Panthers remaining schedule is against good teams.

 
Under this premise, the future of Carson Palmer may not be so bright.
He hasn't had TJ surgery and if he actually needed it, one would think the Bengals would have scheduled it already and got it over with. But then again it is the Bengals we are tlaking about.
Yes, it's the Bengals. He keeps getting "ruled out" when the team is 1-8-1 and he hasn't practiced in over a month. Guy should have been IR'ed a long time ago, but it's the Bengals.
 
Jake has always had a candy arm. Often, his brain and his receivers (one receiver i particular) can overcome it. Sometimes not

 
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I was at the game Sunday and didn't notice any trainers paying attention to his arm between series. I think it's just a mini-slump. It was cold Sunday and passing games suffer and running games excel in cold weather, as happened. This Sunday in a dome should tell us what is going on.

 
I agree..I watched the Lion game on Sunday and Jake has no zip on his throws. When he tried to throw it downfield the ball just floated. It was by sheer luck alone that he did not throw another 3 INTS.

 
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I agree..I watched the Lion game on Sunday and Jake has no zip on his throws. When he tried to throw it downfield the ball just floated. It was by sheer luck alone that he did not throw another 3 INTS.
That TD throw to King from Delhomme had a lot of zip on it. He did throw some floaters, but Delhomme has always gunslinged passes downfield to Smith. He hasn't been as sharp over the last couple games, especially against Oakland, but I consider it a mini-slump like some of the others.
 
BassNBrew said:
I've wathced the last two games and jake isn't slumping, something is very wrong. We're not talking about throws that are slight off, we're talking different zip codes on the deep ball. I'd hazard to guess that half of the prep QBs in a 25 mile radius of BOA stadium could throw a better deep ball right now. an 8-2 record hides many sins and problems. I'm shorting jake the rest of the year. Suspect that the elbow is toast.
I'm surprised noone has talked about it but the wind was whipping pretty good around here all weekend including Sunday. I was considering sitting him and Stevo because of it. Weird they never said anything (AFAIK) during the game telecast. I wouldn't doubt that wind had something to do with some of those deep balls floating.Having said that, I don't believe wind had anything to do with his performance in Oakland but what little I saw of the game looked like Oakland was playing some pretty good D for a change.I know his arm isn't cooked. He's in a bit of a slump coupled with some circumstances that are working against him putting up good numbers.
 
I agree..I watched the Lion game on Sunday and Jake has no zip on his throws. When he tried to throw it downfield the ball just floated. It was by sheer luck alone that he did not throw another 3 INTS.
That TD throw to King from Delhomme had a lot of zip on it. He did throw some floaters, but Delhomme has always gunslinged passes downfield to Smith. He hasn't been as sharp over the last couple games, especially against Oakland, but I consider it a mini-slump like some of the others.
DID have zip on it.
 
Horrific game at Oakland, but sometimes they play well at the Black Hole. Jake makes bad decisions, no secret there. Last week no need to pass. His upcoming schedule screams he will have to chuck it a lot. I bet he comes back.

 
The arm might just be tired. He didn't throw at all in the offseason, and was on a pitch count in training camp. While that doesn't bode well for the rest of this season, it might not be a career-threatening thing, either.

He's killing Steve Smith though, and that hurts me.

 
I am going to say there is likely some truth to what Bass N Brew is saying. Delhomme hasn't looked great the last two years anyway. He is halfway through the season on his surgically repaired elbow and I'm sure fatigue is setting in. Would not trust my season to him or S.Smith at this point. These are definitely sell high candidates. Anyone who has watched pro football for awhile knows that the second half is when the veneer comes off all the pretenders.

 
I am going to say there is likely some truth to what Bass N Brew is saying. Delhomme hasn't looked great the last two years anyway. He is halfway through the season on his surgically repaired elbow and I'm sure fatigue is setting in. Would not trust my season to him or S.Smith at this point. These are definitely sell high candidates. Anyone who has watched pro football for awhile knows that the second half is when the veneer comes off all the pretenders.
Bah.What's he pretending to be? Guy never was a fantasy QB1. He's a QB2. Pretty much always has been. That's what he was projected to be. That's what he's been. Now that last 2 weeks have been QB0 for sure and against those opponents, that's unfortunate.Fox doesn't seem to be concerned. When asked if the 19 pass attempts against Detroit was a byproduct of what the game dictated he said: "I think probably one of our highest quarterback ratings in the history of this franchise we threw seven passes that day (at Atlanta -- 12/24/06). That was pretty efficient. We were four-of-seven with one touchdown."
 
Delhomme led the NFL in yards per completion. Thoughts, BnB?
Not that it really matters, but PFR has him ranked 4th in YPA for 2008. Fantasy wise he ranked 20th. Not sure what the criteria were for this thread though to determine if Delhomme was good, bad, or indifferent.
 
Delhomme led the NFL in yards per completion. Thoughts, BnB?
Not that it really matters, but PFR has him ranked 4th in YPA for 2008. Fantasy wise he ranked 20th. Not sure what the criteria were for this thread though to determine if Delhomme was good, bad, or indifferent.
I'm not curious if Delhomme was good or bad, but rather thoughts on his arm now. Honestly I didn't see him too much this year. I was very surprised to see that he led the league in yards per completion, since that's almost always a category won by strong armed QBs. Steve Smith saw a huge uptick in his YPC this year. I was hoping Brew and some of the other Panthers homers could shed some light.
 
I had DeAngelo and Delhomme on a team and had Delhomme benched most of the year (until I finally dropped him).

What I had noticed, esp about the time of DeAngelo's meteroric rise, was that DeAngelo's 1 yard TD runs were often a function of the amazing Steve Smith running back to catch a deep lame-duck pass. Always double covered, he would have to stop and come back for a ball, then get tackled inside the 5 yard line.

I have not seen many over the shoulder rainbows to Steve Smith in full stride, with him leaving two defenders behind.

Smith had 78 catches for over 1400 yards and only 6 TDs. I would think that a vertical receiver with those yards would have twice as many TDs.

Last week I think Delhomme hit only 3 different receivers. I haven't pulled the numbers from last year to compare to this year, but it would be interesting to see the average number of rushes vs. passes per game.

You can argue CAR doesn't have to pass...but think it might be that they might have to protect Delhomme some or he just isn't effective throwing.

 
Delhomme led the NFL in yards per completion. Thoughts, BnB?
Not that it really matters, but PFR has him ranked 4th in YPA for 2008. Fantasy wise he ranked 20th. Not sure what the criteria were for this thread though to determine if Delhomme was good, bad, or indifferent.
I'm not curious if Delhomme was good or bad, but rather thoughts on his arm now. Honestly I didn't see him too much this year. I was very surprised to see that he led the league in yards per completion, since that's almost always a category won by strong armed QBs. Steve Smith saw a huge uptick in his YPC this year. I was hoping Brew and some of the other Panthers homers could shed some light.
Just thinking out aloud here but what do QB ypa & ypc look like when you strip out yac? I think Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad both had a yac above 5.0 this season.
 
You can argue CAR doesn't have to pass...but think it might be that they might have to protect Delhomme some or he just isn't effective throwing.
Carolina likes to run the ball and control the clock, therefore they run the ball a lot. Delhomme had a couple games that he seemed in a funk (Oakland, Detroit), although I don't think he played poorly in the Detroit game. He just didn't have to throw much in it. Delhomme has looked like Jake of past years this year, although his arm seems stronger which I think he has had to adjust to this year. On several of those long throws to Smith where Smith had to come back for the ball some, Delhomme had a defender in his face and has been hit hard, but he still got the pass off. He also has overthrown Smith several times, and Smith has dropped a pass now and then as has Moose. Overall Delhomme is his same gunslinging self. One of Delhomme's best qualities is he is cool as a cucumber during clutch time, and he is a great leader. The Panthers are enjoying finally having a running game again, but it has also been great to have Delhomme back. His arm is not cooked.
 
Yep, I think Delhomme has looked VERY mediocre this whole season (with maybe a few very nice games). I would not be surprised if Carolina goes for a QB in the draft in 2009 in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round to eventually supplant him. Steve Smith's value takes a hit because of Delhomme...

 
Delhomme led the NFL in yards per completion. Thoughts, BnB?
Not that it really matters, but PFR has him ranked 4th in YPA for 2008. Fantasy wise he ranked 20th. Not sure what the criteria were for this thread though to determine if Delhomme was good, bad, or indifferent.
I'm not curious if Delhomme was good or bad, but rather thoughts on his arm now. Honestly I didn't see him too much this year. I was very surprised to see that he led the league in yards per completion, since that's almost always a category won by strong armed QBs. Steve Smith saw a huge uptick in his YPC this year. I was hoping Brew and some of the other Panthers homers could shed some light.
Just thinking out aloud here but what do QB ypa & ypc look like when you strip out yac? I think Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad both had a yac above 5.0 this season.
I haven't looked at the stats to support this, but I think it had a lot to do with yards after the catch (yac). In addition to Smith and Muhammad, I think DeAngelo Williams added to that as well.. this is all from memory, I don't have the time to look up these stats at the moment. Just a hunch.
 
Delhomme led the NFL in yards per completion. Thoughts, BnB?
Not that it really matters, but PFR has him ranked 4th in YPA for 2008. Fantasy wise he ranked 20th. Not sure what the criteria were for this thread though to determine if Delhomme was good, bad, or indifferent.
I'm not curious if Delhomme was good or bad, but rather thoughts on his arm now. Honestly I didn't see him too much this year. I was very surprised to see that he led the league in yards per completion, since that's almost always a category won by strong armed QBs. Steve Smith saw a huge uptick in his YPC this year. I was hoping Brew and some of the other Panthers homers could shed some light.
I really don't know. Tons of rainbows, floaters, and Steve Smith RACing it up. Then out of nowhere he makes a great throw. Maybe his armed isn't cooked, but possibly it got tired as the season progressed or he's rusty. I guess we'll have to wait until next year for the answer.
 
valhallan said:
I can easily recall two long TDs to Smith against the Saints this season that had no help from Delhomme's arm and should have been picked.
I can easily recall at least one perfectly thrown long TD pass to Smith that he dropped. I can recall passes other QB's have thrown that should have been picked, and I can recall bad games good QB's have had. Delhomme hasn't had a bad year. He doesn't deserve this thread.
 
Missed this thread but I agree with BnB. Carolina has to somehow upgrade at QB...I thought they would be in the market for Cassell.

 
Delhomme led the NFL in yards per completion. Thoughts, BnB?
Not that it really matters, but PFR has him ranked 4th in YPA for 2008. Fantasy wise he ranked 20th. Not sure what the criteria were for this thread though to determine if Delhomme was good, bad, or indifferent.
I'm not curious if Delhomme was good or bad, but rather thoughts on his arm now. Honestly I didn't see him too much this year. I was very surprised to see that he led the league in yards per completion, since that's almost always a category won by strong armed QBs. Steve Smith saw a huge uptick in his YPC this year. I was hoping Brew and some of the other Panthers homers could shed some light.
I really don't know. Tons of rainbows, floaters, and Steve Smith RACing it up. Then out of nowhere he makes a great throw. Maybe his armed isn't cooked, but possibly it got tired as the season progressed or he's rusty. I guess we'll have to wait until next year for the answer.
Thanks for checking in Bass. I don't get to watch nearly as many Panthers games as you.Still, though, leading the league in yards per completion is quite impressive. That's usually a sign that your QB throws a lot of deep completions. Steve Smith last year only averaged 11 yards per catch. I thought his arm was cooked based on this thread, but the numbers say otherwise. On the other hand, many still are questioning his arm strength. Whatever it is, it seems to be working. This is also the highest yards per completion ratio of Delhomme's career!

Other leaders in YPC -- Ryan, Rivers, Romo, Brees, JaMarcus Russel. It's definitely a category for the strong arm guys, for the most part. I also find it fascinating how much Smith's YPC increased his year/

 
I've noticed a change in his mechanics.. call it a hitch. Hard to describe... almost like he is consciously changing the motion to protect the shoulder rather than just firing the ball naturally.

But I could be wrong.

 
Delhomme led the NFL in yards per completion. Thoughts, BnB?
Not that it really matters, but PFR has him ranked 4th in YPA for 2008. Fantasy wise he ranked 20th. Not sure what the criteria were for this thread though to determine if Delhomme was good, bad, or indifferent.
I'm not curious if Delhomme was good or bad, but rather thoughts on his arm now. Honestly I didn't see him too much this year. I was very surprised to see that he led the league in yards per completion, since that's almost always a category won by strong armed QBs. Steve Smith saw a huge uptick in his YPC this year. I was hoping Brew and some of the other Panthers homers could shed some light.
I really don't know. Tons of rainbows, floaters, and Steve Smith RACing it up. Then out of nowhere he makes a great throw. Maybe his armed isn't cooked, but possibly it got tired as the season progressed or he's rusty. I guess we'll have to wait until next year for the answer.
Thanks for checking in Bass. I don't get to watch nearly as many Panthers games as you.Still, though, leading the league in yards per completion is quite impressive. That's usually a sign that your QB throws a lot of deep completions. Steve Smith last year only averaged 11 yards per catch. I thought his arm was cooked based on this thread, but the numbers say otherwise. On the other hand, many still are questioning his arm strength. Whatever it is, it seems to be working. This is also the highest yards per completion ratio of Delhomme's career!

Other leaders in YPC -- Ryan, Rivers, Romo, Brees, JaMarcus Russel. It's definitely a category for the strong arm guys, for the most part. I also find it fascinating how much Smith's YPC increased his year/
Might be that defenses are playing the safeties up to stop the run. The last half of the season about one out of every two carries it appears that DeAngelo is about to take it the distance. I can't tell you how many runs where the last guy at the last level brought him down. Heck, it's gotten to the point that when Stewart comes in and has a couple of 5 to 8 yard runs, I'm thinking why do they play this no talent schmuck.As i said, I might be wrong about his arm, but something still doesn't pass the sniff test when you watch it. Maybe you can check it out yourself in the uber-mega-blockbuster-primo-must see game they masses have been clamoring for in primetime time Saturday night.

 
My biggest draft mistake for 2008 was thinking that Delhomme would be a high #2 QB (we start 2).

 
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