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Tough one as I do enjoy using this forum for most of topics out there - its sad that some of the biggest topics in the country today simply cant be discussed here. But as someone whose been a fan of this place from close to the start, I respect Joe and what hes built here. If it creates too much chaos then I get it - still love the place!

As an independent is there any place to read unbiased news and/or discuss without it being severely slanted from one side or the other?
I read BBC and Reuters feeds daily... I find those less US right/left biased
I tried both of them and overtime I placed them pretty far left, maybe half way to CNN. Upon reflection I was pretty disappointed.
That's surprising to me. I scan both Fox and CNN regularly as well and have found those two pretty regularly covering events and politics in a far less biased way than either of those US News reps. What's your usual source for news?

For instance, BBCs coverage of the US election is laying out both campaigns critically without seeming to support either. I see how they might lean left socially, but their election coverage has felt centrist and informational.

Have you tried AP? I've found it more fact driven than opinion.
 
Someone like Tucker Carlson clearly leans to one side of the political spectrum, but I'd say the only "agenda" he has is to tell things like it is, as opposed to what his network wants him to tell

You could probably find a better example :oldunsure:
Megyn Kelly.
What exactly are we trying to find examples of with these two names?
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It's just a question. I don't find either of those names to be people who "have no agenda" so was curious if there was something I was missing
these personalities on News networks aren't sharing or telling the news- they're strictly about sharing and telling their opinions... Which is like... their opinion, man. I find all of it irrelevant in terms of actual world events. And as far from "telling it like it is" as is humanly possibly.
 

For instance, BBCs coverage of the US election is laying out both campaigns critically without seeming to support either. I see how they might lean left socially, but their election coverage has felt centrist and informational.

I find it extremely hard to believe that their domestic and international output would differ as much as you indicate it does.
 
It seems better for this community as a whole that politics get shut down. I'm still disappointed by it as I've always said this was a good place to get different perspectives. I fully acknowledge that we have adults here who lack basic adulting skills. That's probably more a reflection on American culture as a whole right now though.

I find the FFA topics to be less stimulating than they used to be.
 
I don’t understand the argument that people want the PSF back because you’re familiar with the people here. If you’re that familiar and seemingly like the people here to want to discuss politics with them, why on earth was everyone treating each other so badly when the forum was up?
 

For instance, BBCs coverage of the US election is laying out both campaigns critically without seeming to support either. I see how they might lean left socially, but their election coverage has felt centrist and informational.

I find it extremely hard to believe that their domestic and international output would differ as much as you indicate it does.
You're local, right? So you'll be far more aware of their leavings domestically than I ever would be and still defer to you on that.

But from my standpoint, I can go there and find articles about both candidates that lay out their issues and possible ramifications, or fact checking, without it being overtly pro/con the way it is here in the US. It's difficult to find that here.
 
I don’t understand the argument that people want the PSF back because you’re familiar with the people here. If you’re that familiar and seemingly like the people here to want to discuss politics with them, why on earth was everyone treating each other so badly when the forum was up?
Emotions got too high, and the current state of politics is ugly business.
 
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these personalities on News networks aren't sharing or telling the news- they're strictly about sharing and telling their opinions... Which is like... their opinion, man. I find all of it irrelevant in terms of actual world events. And as far from "telling it like it is" as is humanly possibly
I remember being in Europe for the first time, and watching CNN International, and thinking, wait up now, why can't I get this at home?

And that was 1996.
I think everyone can agree the news networks have gotten worse since then.

They're broken, and I'm not interested in watching them to monitor what the discourse is, or whatever reason people give to watch it when they know it all sucks.

Man I can't even watch Good Morning Football on NFLN, I'm sure not gonna watch The Five or Maddow. :lol:
 
Your hypersensitivity seems problematic if you carry this into the real world. Best of luck.
It's not hypersensitivity to want a place where we can engage in silly, yet meaningful discussions about all things non political. As @Joe Bryant has repeatedly said, the PSF is not coming back, and there are plenty of other places in this world to discuss politics
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Link for places to discuss politics?
 
I remember a thread here in the FFA many years ago where we had several board members (maybe we voted for them?) from across the political spectrum form a U.S. Government. That was one of the best threads this MB ever had.

Any of y'all remember that?

Sadly, I don't think we could pull it off nowadays.
Yes. Ive searched for this thread and was unable to find it. I loved it also.
 
I'd also encourage as much as possible to seek out real life friends for this.
ouch

Why?

How about I explain my situation this way: as a public servant, I must exclude my personal political feelings from how I govern my constituents. 99% of my friends are my constituents.

Also, I rarely find someone who I can discuss completely transparently and expect to receive multiple different demographic (income, geo-location, political leaning) other than here. In addition, I know a number of the posters heres opinions and greatly appreciate them, even more the folks I disagree with.

Sorry. Didn't mean encourging seeking out real life friends to be an "ouch". Obviously, I love the forums. I wouldn't put the effort, time and money into them I do if I didn't.

But I will always put a gigantic value on real-life connections and conversations. Always.
Sure, I get that.

However, you are not the only consumer of your forums. For me, the PSF is invaluable. I realize it is not coming back, but maybe it could come back in a different form. Has there been any conversation about how it could come back in a different form?
 
Do your own research,
I prefer the experts do the research and I read their findings
Ha! Find me one that you trust these days
I trust my doctor when it comes to my health. I trust @Joe Bryant and staff when it comes to fantasy football advice. I trust the national weather service when I want to know what the weekly weather outlook is. I trust my accountant to handle my taxes. I trust my kids teacher when it comes to their schooling. I trust my vet for my dog care

Should I continue? This mistrust of experts is one of the weirdest things of the past several years. Experts aren't infallible. They get stuff wrong. But I sure as hell want them doing the things that I have little to no knowledge about
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To be fair, we used to trust reporters. Unfortunately reporters now rarely report, its almost all editorializing.
 
Tough one as I do enjoy using this forum for most of topics out there - its sad that some of the biggest topics in the country today simply cant be discussed here. But as someone whose been a fan of this place from close to the start, I respect Joe and what hes built here. If it creates too much chaos then I get it - still love the place!

As an independent is there any place to read unbiased news and/or discuss without it being severely slanted from one side or the other?
I read BBC and Reuters feeds daily... I find those less US right/left biased
I tried both of them and overtime I placed them pretty far left, maybe half way to CNN. Upon reflection I was pretty disappointed.
That's surprising to me. I scan both Fox and CNN regularly as well and have found those two pretty regularly covering events and politics in a far less biased way than either of those US News reps. What's your usual source for news?

For instance, BBCs coverage of the US election is laying out both campaigns critically without seeming to support either. I see how they might lean left socially, but their election coverage has felt centrist and informational.

Have you tried AP? I've found it more fact driven than opinion.
AP has slowly been moving left, to me today it is solidly left. Its more news based than opinion based, so the bias is not as in your face but it shows up consistently in the reporting imo.
 
Ive worked really hard to find a panacea of unbiased news. Ive tried pure Reuters, The Economist, BBC, and blending CNN/FOX where I would read both to try and find the middle. All of those were failures. For me, the best place I have found is abcnews. They are not perfect, def left leaning, but I do find it easier to tune out some rhetoric.

Im open to hearing how others find their news.

X. Everything else is propaganda. Legacy media/news is dead, and they did it to themselves.
I have limited exposure on X, but I find it very echo-chambery. You follow individuals and these individuals have agendas. Am I being too cynical?
No. That's exactly how it works. That's how twitter works. That's how facebook/instagram works. That's how tik tok works. That's how youtube works. The algos are suffocating facts and reality. The best (maybe saddest?) part is the people who think they have it figured out and somehow aren't susceptible to those algos. They are often times further gone than some of the loons.

Yes. It's why it's so important to be self aware and constantly ask yourself about the "media diet" you're consuming.

And why I so much prefer in person interaction on this when possible.

For the algorithms, I think of it a little differently. It's not necessarily suffocating facts, as it is serving up content the reader will click on. Maybe they click because they like it and agree. Maybe they click because they're mad and can't believe it. The platforms don't really care why. They just want you to click and stay engaged.

In that sense, the content that's served up may or may not be factual. But it'll definitely be something they think gives them the best chance of keeping the user on the platform.

That's their job.

The danger is they are VERY good at their job.
I'm guessing you haven't read the studies on this subject all that much? I don't disagree with your framing of what the algos do and why they do them, but it is crystal clear that a result of that is the suffocation of fact. It might not be what the stated goal is of writing the algos. Going down that path to try and get in the minds of the decision makers is a losing battle every time. But it is DEFINITELY a result.

The other thing I see, which has never made sense to me is this notion that because I consume both Fox and MSNBC, then somehow I'm being "balanced". No, you're not. You're just consuming the fringes of either side. Why anyone would actively do that and think its a positive is beyond me. When I was a kid, I didn't have the phones. I didn't have the SM accounts. Parents wouldn't let me have them. At the time I thought they were the worst. Now, I completely get it and am grateful they did what they did. This is one topic that I am in lockstep with them on now that I see what it's doing to society.

Thanks. You'd be guessing wrong there for me. But thanks.

It's an interesting situation, for sure.
Mind if I ask where you disagree with their findings?
 
Tough one as I do enjoy using this forum for most of topics out there - its sad that some of the biggest topics in the country today simply cant be discussed here. But as someone whose been a fan of this place from close to the start, I respect Joe and what hes built here. If it creates too much chaos then I get it - still love the place!

As an independent is there any place to read unbiased news and/or discuss without it being severely slanted from one side or the other?
I read BBC and Reuters feeds daily... I find those less US right/left biased
I tried both of them and overtime I placed them pretty far left, maybe half way to CNN. Upon reflection I was pretty disappointed.
That's surprising to me. I scan both Fox and CNN regularly as well and have found those two pretty regularly covering events and politics in a far less biased way than either of those US News reps. What's your usual source for news?

For instance, BBCs coverage of the US election is laying out both campaigns critically without seeming to support either. I see how they might lean left socially, but their election coverage has felt centrist and informational.

Have you tried AP? I've found it more fact driven than opinion.
AP has slowly been moving left, to me today it is solidly left. Its more news based than opinion based, so the bias is not as in your face but it shows up consistently in the reporting imo.
Interesting... I'll keep an eye out for that.

I still see them as strictly who/what/where/when type of reporting for news/events stories.

What kind of reporting are you seeing that shift left?
 
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To be fair, we used to trust reporters. Unfortunately reporters now rarely report, its almost all editorializing.
We've found recently in a number of high profile events that the media has been factually wrong, acted knowingly promulgating fake stories, and then refused (for the most part) to acknowledge their transgressions.

They fully deserve the lack of trust.
 
So when exactly in history are people pining for?

There was always some dissension of course and differing philosophies,, but the forum for "hate" has surely increased due to social media and the division is getting worse and worse - even with the politicians themselves.

I'm honestly not sure how that's even debatable. :shrug:
I am pining for a time where I am not called a rasict/pedo/whatever for who I vote for, or support racists and pedos. That would be a great starting spot.
 
Although the internet is definitely more rage-baity now than 15 years ago, there was some pretty vile stuff posted here back then, often with a tacit thumbs-up from the then site owner.
 
Tough one as I do enjoy using this forum for most of topics out there - its sad that some of the biggest topics in the country today simply cant be discussed here. But as someone whose been a fan of this place from close to the start, I respect Joe and what hes built here. If it creates too much chaos then I get it - still love the place!

As an independent is there any place to read unbiased news and/or discuss without it being severely slanted from one side or the other?
I read BBC and Reuters feeds daily... I find those less US right/left biased
I tried both of them and overtime I placed them pretty far left, maybe half way to CNN. Upon reflection I was pretty disappointed.
That's surprising to me. I scan both Fox and CNN regularly as well and have found those two pretty regularly covering events and politics in a far less biased way than either of those US News reps. What's your usual source for news?

For instance, BBCs coverage of the US election is laying out both campaigns critically without seeming to support either. I see how they might lean left socially, but their election coverage has felt centrist and informational.

Have you tried AP? I've found it more fact driven than opinion.
AP has slowly been moving left, to me today it is solidly left. Its more news based than opinion based, so the bias is not as in your face but it shows up consistently in the reporting imo.
Interesting... I'll keep an eye out for that.

I still see them as strictly who/what/where/when type of reporting for news/events stories.

What kind of reporting are you seeing that shift left?
Completely evident in the tone of how the presidential race is being covered. Harris negatives are mitigated, Trump negatives are highlighted. The crafting of the headlines and the messaging is eye opening when you step back and look at them through the lense of how the "news" is being portrayed.
 
Tough one as I do enjoy using this forum for most of topics out there - its sad that some of the biggest topics in the country today simply cant be discussed here. But as someone whose been a fan of this place from close to the start, I respect Joe and what hes built here. If it creates too much chaos then I get it - still love the place!

As an independent is there any place to read unbiased news and/or discuss without it being severely slanted from one side or the other?
I read BBC and Reuters feeds daily... I find those less US right/left biased
I tried both of them and overtime I placed them pretty far left, maybe half way to CNN. Upon reflection I was pretty disappointed.
That's surprising to me. I scan both Fox and CNN regularly as well and have found those two pretty regularly covering events and politics in a far less biased way than either of those US News reps. What's your usual source for news?

For instance, BBCs coverage of the US election is laying out both campaigns critically without seeming to support either. I see how they might lean left socially, but their election coverage has felt centrist and informational.

Have you tried AP? I've found it more fact driven than opinion.
As mentioned above im on abcnews now. My reuters and BBC was like 3ish years ago so maybe it have changed.
 
Tough one as I do enjoy using this forum for most of topics out there - its sad that some of the biggest topics in the country today simply cant be discussed here. But as someone whose been a fan of this place from close to the start, I respect Joe and what hes built here. If it creates too much chaos then I get it - still love the place!

As an independent is there any place to read unbiased news and/or discuss without it being severely slanted from one side or the other?
I read BBC and Reuters feeds daily... I find those less US right/left biased
I tried both of them and overtime I placed them pretty far left, maybe half way to CNN. Upon reflection I was pretty disappointed.
That's surprising to me. I scan both Fox and CNN regularly as well and have found those two pretty regularly covering events and politics in a far less biased way than either of those US News reps. What's your usual source for news?

For instance, BBCs coverage of the US election is laying out both campaigns critically without seeming to support either. I see how they might lean left socially, but their election coverage has felt centrist and informational.

Have you tried AP? I've found it more fact driven than opinion.
AP has slowly been moving left, to me today it is solidly left. Its more news based than opinion based, so the bias is not as in your face but it shows up consistently in the reporting imo.
Interesting... I'll keep an eye out for that.

I still see them as strictly who/what/where/when type of reporting for news/events stories.

What kind of reporting are you seeing that shift left?
Completely evident in the tone of how the presidential race is being covered. Harris negatives are mitigated, Trump negatives are highlighted. The crafting of the headlines and the messaging is eye opening when you step back and look at them through the lense of how the "news" is being portrayed.
No politics! Just can't help ourselves. Shut it down Joe
 
I don’t understand the argument that people want the PSF back because you’re familiar with the people here. If you’re that familiar and seemingly like the people here to want to discuss politics with them, why on earth was everyone treating each other so badly when the forum was up?
IMO we were all learning how to discus politics in our new social media world. I feel we have all grown in this space, I know I have.
 
Your hypersensitivity seems problematic if you carry this into the real world. Best of luck.
It's not hypersensitivity to want a place where we can engage in silly, yet meaningful discussions about all things non political. As @Joe Bryant has repeatedly said, the PSF is not coming back, and there are plenty of other places in this world to discuss politics
:link:
Link for places to discuss politics?
yes please
 
Your hypersensitivity seems problematic if you carry this into the real world. Best of luck.
It's not hypersensitivity to want a place where we can engage in silly, yet meaningful discussions about all things non political. As @Joe Bryant has repeatedly said, the PSF is not coming back, and there are plenty of other places in this world to discuss politics
:link:
Link for places to discuss politics?
yes please
Any other forum that allows politics? I don’t have an actual link cause well it is hard to go anywhere on the internet and not encounter political chatter.
 
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To be fair, we used to trust reporters. Unfortunately reporters now rarely report, its almost all editorializing.
Reporters weren't trustworthy back in the day. We just assumed they were because we didn't have any way to double check what they said.

Several times I've revisited an old news event from my childhood, and it feels like I'm reading about a totally different story because so little of what was reported was actually true.
 
I know nothing about this site so forgive me and ignore if it's garbage but this was the first return on google:

 
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Do your own research,
I prefer the experts do the research and I read their findings
Ha! Find me one that you trust these days
I trust my doctor when it comes to my health. I trust @Joe Bryant and staff when it comes to fantasy football advice. I trust the national weather service when I want to know what the weekly weather outlook is. I trust my accountant to handle my taxes. I trust my kids teacher when it comes to their schooling. I trust my vet for my dog care

Should I continue? This mistrust of experts is one of the weirdest things of the past several years. Experts aren't infallible. They get stuff wrong. But I sure as hell want them doing the things that I have little to no knowledge about

Well put. It's fair to approach these opinions with some skepticism and explore them further. You don't have to do exactly what your doctor says. You can take their advice as extremely valuable advice and weigh everything and make a decision. For me that is usually going to be HEAVILY influenced by my doctor, and likely only changed based on the known side effects or chance of issues that they are proposing to me as possible.

But what a lot of people are doing are saying "doctors are sometimes wrong, so I'm going to throw out their advice and wholey trust some loon on Twitter who made some logical fallacy that sounds good but is disconnected from reality."

Or, in football terms since we're here on FBGs, people are saying "Andy Reid sometimes makes mistakes, so the Chiefs should fire him and hire LHUCKS to run the team instead."
 
Your hypersensitivity seems problematic if you carry this into the real world. Best of luck.
It's not hypersensitivity to want a place where we can engage in silly, yet meaningful discussions about all things non political. As @Joe Bryant has repeatedly said, the PSF is not coming back, and there are plenty of other places in this world to discuss politics
Again, a massive failure to comprehend what I'm saying. You aren't hypersensitive to want "a place where we can engage in silly, yet meaningful discussions about all things non political."

You are hypersensitive because you got triggered by that place being referred to as a safe space. It's literally what it is. You are upset by that definition for some reason and lashing out/engaging in bully tactics. It's irony at its finest. The cherry on top is you can't even see it.
 
Your hypersensitivity seems problematic if you carry this into the real world. Best of luck.
It's not hypersensitivity to want a place where we can engage in silly, yet meaningful discussions about all things non political. As @Joe Bryant has repeatedly said, the PSF is not coming back, and there are plenty of other places in this world to discuss politics
Again, a massive failure to comprehend what I'm saying. You aren't hypersensitive to want "a place where we can engage in silly, yet meaningful discussions about all things non political."

You are hypersensitive because you got triggered by that place being referred to as a safe space. It's literally what it is. You are upset by that definition for some reason and lashing out/engaging in bully tactics. It's irony at its finest. The cherry on top is you can't even see it.
You are all worked up about this. The passive aggressive last couple sentences are what we are trying to avoid in this place. Stuff like that was a huge component of the political forum and the major resaon Joe nuked it
 
Your hypersensitivity seems problematic if you carry this into the real world. Best of luck.
It's not hypersensitivity to want a place where we can engage in silly, yet meaningful discussions about all things non political. As @Joe Bryant has repeatedly said, the PSF is not coming back, and there are plenty of other places in this world to discuss politics
Again, a massive failure to comprehend what I'm saying. You aren't hypersensitive to want "a place where we can engage in silly, yet meaningful discussions about all things non political."

You are hypersensitive because you got triggered by that place being referred to as a safe space. It's literally what it is. You are upset by that definition for some reason and lashing out/engaging in bully tactics. It's irony at its finest. The cherry on top is you can't even see it.
You are all worked up about this. The passive aggressive last couple sentences are what we are trying to avoid in this place. Stuff like that was a huge component of the political forum and the major resaon Joe nuked it
I'm not worked up in the slightest. I think you want me to be though.

You keep mischaracterizing what I said and gaslighting as if you weren't deeply offended by it.
 
Just reading through the last page of this thread i notice that there are types of posts that you do not see elsewhere on this forum anymore.


There are minority of people who identify so strongly with their political party that it makes it the defining trait about who they are as a person. They let politics bleed over to the other parts of their lives, they bring up politics at work, early in conversations with strangers, etc, and they can't help but believe there are people out there that want nothing to do with the one side verse the other side.
 
Your hypersensitivity seems problematic if you carry this into the real world. Best of luck.
It's not hypersensitivity to want a place where we can engage in silly, yet meaningful discussions about all things non political. As @Joe Bryant has repeatedly said, the PSF is not coming back, and there are plenty of other places in this world to discuss politics
Again, a massive failure to comprehend what I'm saying. You aren't hypersensitive to want "a place where we can engage in silly, yet meaningful discussions about all things non political."

You are hypersensitive because you got triggered by that place being referred to as a safe space. It's literally what it is. You are upset by that definition for some reason and lashing out/engaging in bully tactics. It's irony at its finest. The cherry on top is you can't even see it.
You are all worked up about this. The passive aggressive last couple sentences are what we are trying to avoid in this place. Stuff like that was a huge component of the political forum and the major resaon Joe nuked it
I'm not worked up in the slightest. I think you want me to be though.

You keep mischaracterizing what I said and gaslighting as if you weren't deeply offended by it.
OK. carry on
 
Tough one as I do enjoy using this forum for most of topics out there - its sad that some of the biggest topics in the country today simply cant be discussed here. But as someone whose been a fan of this place from close to the start, I respect Joe and what hes built here. If it creates too much chaos then I get it - still love the place!

As an independent is there any place to read unbiased news and/or discuss without it being severely slanted from one side or the other?
I read BBC and Reuters feeds daily... I find those less US right/left biased
I tried both of them and overtime I placed them pretty far left, maybe half way to CNN. Upon reflection I was pretty disappointed.
That's surprising to me. I scan both Fox and CNN regularly as well and have found those two pretty regularly covering events and politics in a far less biased way than either of those US News reps. What's your usual source for news?

For instance, BBCs coverage of the US election is laying out both campaigns critically without seeming to support either. I see how they might lean left socially, but their election coverage has felt centrist and informational.

Have you tried AP? I've found it more fact driven than opinion.
AP has slowly been moving left, to me today it is solidly left. Its more news based than opinion based, so the bias is not as in your face but it shows up consistently in the reporting imo.
Interesting... I'll keep an eye out for that.

I still see them as strictly who/what/where/when type of reporting for news/events stories.

What kind of reporting are you seeing that shift left?
Completely evident in the tone of how the presidential race is being covered. Harris negatives are mitigated, Trump negatives are highlighted. The crafting of the headlines and the messaging is eye opening when you step back and look at them through the lense of how the "news" is being portrayed.
Yeah... I tend to be hyper aware of how headlines are crafted as click bait these days- and so often show clear bias either way. Even for non political news it's interesting to see.

I'm in the AP site now and not really seeing what you're talking about. Not disagreeing with you, but would like to see a specific example of what you're seeing so I can understand better.
 
Tough one as I do enjoy using this forum for most of topics out there - its sad that some of the biggest topics in the country today simply cant be discussed here. But as someone whose been a fan of this place from close to the start, I respect Joe and what hes built here. If it creates too much chaos then I get it - still love the place!

As an independent is there any place to read unbiased news and/or discuss without it being severely slanted from one side or the other?
I read BBC and Reuters feeds daily... I find those less US right/left biased
I tried both of them and overtime I placed them pretty far left, maybe half way to CNN. Upon reflection I was pretty disappointed.
That's surprising to me. I scan both Fox and CNN regularly as well and have found those two pretty regularly covering events and politics in a far less biased way than either of those US News reps. What's your usual source for news?

For instance, BBCs coverage of the US election is laying out both campaigns critically without seeming to support either. I see how they might lean left socially, but their election coverage has felt centrist and informational.

Have you tried AP? I've found it more fact driven than opinion.
AP has slowly been moving left, to me today it is solidly left. Its more news based than opinion based, so the bias is not as in your face but it shows up consistently in the reporting imo.
Interesting... I'll keep an eye out for that.

I still see them as strictly who/what/where/when type of reporting for news/events stories.

What kind of reporting are you seeing that shift left?
Completely evident in the tone of how the presidential race is being covered. Harris negatives are mitigated, Trump negatives are highlighted. The crafting of the headlines and the messaging is eye opening when you step back and look at them through the lense of how the "news" is being portrayed.
You also have to realize that to a hammer everything looks like a nail - people see what they want to see.
 
they can't help but believe there are people out there that want nothing to do with the one side verse the other side.
Where do all the people go that want nothing to do with either side? To me that is really where I get frustrated. If you talk with someone on either side and don't share their belief then you automatically are on the other side and are evil. What happened to being in the middle and liking aspects of both sides of center? Basically if you are in the middle you are evil to both sides. Crazy to me.
 
Tough one as I do enjoy using this forum for most of topics out there - its sad that some of the biggest topics in the country today simply cant be discussed here. But as someone whose been a fan of this place from close to the start, I respect Joe and what hes built here. If it creates too much chaos then I get it - still love the place!

As an independent is there any place to read unbiased news and/or discuss without it being severely slanted from one side or the other?
I read BBC and Reuters feeds daily... I find those less US right/left biased
I tried both of them and overtime I placed them pretty far left, maybe half way to CNN. Upon reflection I was pretty disappointed.
That's surprising to me. I scan both Fox and CNN regularly as well and have found those two pretty regularly covering events and politics in a far less biased way than either of those US News reps. What's your usual source for news?

For instance, BBCs coverage of the US election is laying out both campaigns critically without seeming to support either. I see how they might lean left socially, but their election coverage has felt centrist and informational.

Have you tried AP? I've found it more fact driven than opinion.
AP has slowly been moving left, to me today it is solidly left. Its more news based than opinion based, so the bias is not as in your face but it shows up consistently in the reporting imo.
Interesting... I'll keep an eye out for that.

I still see them as strictly who/what/where/when type of reporting for news/events stories.

What kind of reporting are you seeing that shift left?
Completely evident in the tone of how the presidential race is being covered. Harris negatives are mitigated, Trump negatives are highlighted. The crafting of the headlines and the messaging is eye opening when you step back and look at them through the lense of how the "news" is being portrayed.
You also have to realize that to a hammer everything looks like a nail - people see what they want to see.
DJ and I are aware of that (speaking for him, but an easy guess).

That's why seeing specific instances would help explain it either way. Im not seeing what he's talking about, but Ill readily acknowledge I have my own floppo colored glasses on.
 
they can't help but believe there are people out there that want nothing to do with the one side verse the other side.
Where do all the people go that want nothing to do with either side? To me that is really where I get frustrated. If you talk with someone on either side and don't share their belief then you automatically are on the other side and are evil. What happened to being in the middle and liking aspects of both sides of center? Basically if you are in the middle you are evil to both sides. Crazy to me.
WRONG
 
they can't help but believe there are people out there that want nothing to do with the one side verse the other side.
Where do all the people go that want nothing to do with either side? To me that is really where I get frustrated. If you talk with someone on either side and don't share their belief then you automatically are on the other side and are evil. What happened to being in the middle and liking aspects of both sides of center? Basically if you are in the middle you are evil to both sides. Crazy to me.
WRONG
You're EVIL!!!!!
 
they can't help but believe there are people out there that want nothing to do with the one side verse the other side.
Where do all the people go that want nothing to do with either side? To me that is really where I get frustrated. If you talk with someone on either side and don't share their belief then you automatically are on the other side and are evil. What happened to being in the middle and liking aspects of both sides of center? Basically if you are in the middle you are evil to both sides. Crazy to me.
WRONG
You're EVIL!!!!!
NO YOU!!





yeah... I missed the PSF.
 
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hat's why seeing specific instances would help explain it either way. Im not seeing what he's talking about, but Ill readily acknowledge I have my own floppo colored glasses on.
My point is, that he probably does also judging by his last few posts. Some people like the faux outrage they can express when they feel their side is being mischaracterized by a certain news source/pundit.
 
they can't help but believe there are people out there that want nothing to do with the one side verse the other side.
Where do all the people go that want nothing to do with either side? To me that is really where I get frustrated. If you talk with someone on either side and don't share their belief then you automatically are on the other side and are evil. What happened to being in the middle and liking aspects of both sides of center? Basically if you are in the middle you are evil to both sides. Crazy to me.
WRONG
You're EVIL!!!!!
NO YOU!!





yeah... I missed the PSF.
I would put the laugh emoji but I have to type this instead.....hahah
 
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