14 Killed in Shooting in San Bernardino (1 Viewer)

[Quez]

12 IEDs!!! We are extremely lucky we got 2 idiots that weren't highly trained or sophisticated. If one of these PTSD vets ever goes nuts it could be much worse.

 

[GROOT]

maybe Trump's on to something with the register

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

12 IEDs/pipebombs found

2500 .223 rounds

2000 9 mm rounds

all found at the home. plus equipment for bombing making.

To be fair, given the immense fluctuations in availability and cost of ammunition (due to gun control threats/efforts), most recreational/competitive shooters/hunters have been conditioned to keep a supply of ammo on-hand. Those ammo levels sound absurd, but if you enjoy going to the range once a week, You'll likely be shooting 500-1000 rounds of ammo a month. When supplies/pricing fluctuations can make purchasing more prohibitive or impossible for months on end, it makes sense to keep some on hand.

NOT AT ALL justifying these guys...particularly the bomb stuff. Just explaining that that quantity of ammunition may seem absurd to someone on the outside, but it's not.

Yep. I know friends and family members with gun collections that have many times this amount.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Some dude got stuck with a Malibu today even though he reserved an Expedition.

 

[Quez]

Black Expedition SUV was rented 3-4 days ago and was "scheduled" to be returned yesterday.

Probably was just trying to return it when this all went down. Just a horrible misunderstanding I'm sure

The reason they got caught is because they had to turn around and find a gas station before they turned the rental back in. Understandably, because those guys rape you if you don't have the same amount of gas that was in when you rented it. Combine that with the late fees, and your talking more cash they they had on hand. They obviously couldn't put the charges on a credit card they held for the deposit, because they wouldn't want to leave a trail.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Typical FBI press brief, might as well just have got up there and said, "At this time we don't know ####. Thank you."

 

[GoBirds]

Black Expedition SUV was rented 3-4 days ago and was "scheduled" to be returned yesterday.

Thought that was a nice whip for a terrorist.

 

[snogger]

maybe Trump's on to something with the register

 

[whoknew]

Typical FBI press brief, might as well just have got up there and said, "At this time we don't know ####. Thank you."

Who are all the rest of those people up there? Why are they there?

 

[GoBirds]

Some dude got stuck with a Malibu today even though he reserved an Expedition.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no deposit is being returned on that one.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

As for me, I don't carry, concealed or otherwise now that I am not required to do so. My feeling or belief is that by the time I could bring a firearm to bear under circumstances where it would be warranted that it would already be too late to do so. This is a personal judgment. I do not try to dissuade those of differing opinions on the subject. I do note that my job has me in court with convicted capital offenders and first degree murderers on a regular basis and that I have been the subject of specific threats from them, their friends and/or families. That said I generally do not see the world, or my day to day life as a particularly dangerous environment.

Wait a minute.....you're a Zow alias?!?!

Nope, I'm a good guy. I put the bad guys away and then I keep them there. I also train police and prosecutors.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Typical FBI press brief, might as well just have got up there and said, "At this time we don't know ####. Thank you."

Who are all the rest of those people up there? Why are they there?

Various law enforcement people. I see county, state, ATF, FBI, and maybe DHS in there. If there was a question for one of those agencies, one of those people in back would step forward to address it. And then those people have their assistants and the like.

 

[Phil Elliott]

I may be mistaken but I thought they said in the presser that the 4500 rounds of ammunition were on the suspects or very close to them within the car.

 

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I kinda feel bad for the folks who commented that they saw suspicious activity but were afraid to report it for seeming like they were profiling....

Imagine they feel some burden from yesterday's events. :(

 

[Quez]

Typical FBI press brief, might as well just have got up there and said, "At this time we don't know ####. Thank you."

Who are all the rest of those people up there? Why are they there?

Various law enforcement people. I see county, state, ATF, FBI, and maybe DHS in there. If there was a question for one of those agencies, one of those people in back would step forward to address it. And then those people have their assistants and the like.

I thought they were all the FBI guys posse.

 

[whoknew]

Typical FBI press brief, might as well just have got up there and said, "At this time we don't know ####. Thank you."

Who are all the rest of those people up there? Why are they there?

Various law enforcement people. I see county, state, ATF, FBI, and maybe DHS in there. If there was a question for one of those agencies, one of those people in back would step forward to address it. And then those people have their assistants and the like.

Thanks.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

San Bernardino Police Chief on the other hand, is killing it up there. He's got 50-100 reporters out there and he's giving them as much as he can.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Scheduling my CCW class today. We can open carry here in Ohio as well.

This is happening every day it seems now. 351 mass shootings in the US this year alone.

I'll be prepared.

Please take it seriously, and I would recommend if you do carry at all times to take more self defense classes then the requirement in obtaining your CCW.

In my view 99.99% of police are inadequately trained for emergency situations. Obviously then I do not believe that a one day training is adequate to the task, but that again is only one person's opinion. Of course I have formed my opinion after being intimately involved in training LEO for a substantial portion of my career.

I would concur. However, I would take a fighting chance over no chance any day.

And I defend your right to have the tools necessary for that fighting chance. I hope that those tools are used responsibly by all who have the right. I am confident when it comes to you. I am reticent about others exercising the right but that reticence is just that, reticence only.

 

[Hawks64]

12 IEDs!!! We are extremely lucky we got 2 idiots that weren't highly trained or sophisticated. If one of these PTSD vets ever goes nuts it could be much worse.

They dropped a 3 pipe pipe bomb at the inland location that failed to detonate as well.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Every time something like this happens Trumps numbers are going to improve.

 

[sho nuff]

San Bernardino Police Chief on the other hand, is killing it up there. He's got 50-100 reporters out there and he's giving them as much as he can.

This guy is good...

 

[Loan Sharks]

Does the way the police responded in this case change any minds regarding the use of military style equipment for the cops?

Seems to me like it certainly did help them and saved a few lives in the process of those responding.

I was thinking the same thing. I say make sure every department has the equipment available to them if they want it.

I was one of those who were saying they shouldn't have this type of stuff because of how(for example)the Ferguson situation was handled.I think we need to be very careful in how this type of stuff is used and have very strict guidelines as to when is the right time and when it isn't.This case is certainly giving me pause to my original thinking.

The thing that changed my mind was the hollywood bank shootout. I was living in Los Angeles at the time and the robbers and the cops were riddling the guys in body armor to no effect. The cops literally commandeered an armor car to drive in a remove the wounded. Then the cops went to a local gun store to get high power assault rifles to put them down.

The police should have the capability, these situations do come up.

 

[Phil Elliott]

international terrorist focus developing

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

Syed Rizwan Farook -- one-half of the couple behind the San Bernardino shooting massacre -- was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting, with his wife Tashfeen Malik, of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Still, it wasn't necessarily the only driver behind the carnage, as workplace grievances may have also played a role. President Barack Obama hinted as much Thursday when he said that the attackers may have had "mixed motives."

Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia for several weeks in 2013 on the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Muslims are required to take at least once in their lifetime, which didn't raise red flags, said two government officials. It was during this trip that he met Malik, a native of Pakistan who came to the United States on a "fiancée visa" and later became a lawful permanent resident.

Officials had previously said that neither Farook and Malik were known to the FBI or on a list of potentially radicalized people. Nor had they had any known interactions with police until Wednesday's deadly shootout that culminated in their deaths.

Yet Farook himself had communicated by phone and via social media with more than one person being investigated for terrorism, law enforcement officials said. A separate U.S. government official said the 28-year-old has "overseas communications and associations."

As to what role those all played in the San Bernardino carnage, the official acknowledged, " We don't know yet what they mean."

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Scheduling my CCW class today. We can open carry here in Ohio as well.

This is happening every day it seems now. 351 mass shootings in the US this year alone.

I'll be prepared.

Please take it seriously, and I would recommend if you do carry at all times to take more self defense classes then the requirement in obtaining your CCW.

In my view 99.99% of police are inadequately trained for emergency situations. Obviously then I do not believe that a one day training is adequate to the task, but that again is only one person's opinion. Of course I have formed my opinion after being intimately involved in training LEO for a substantial portion of my career.

Certainly there is a need to be adequately trained for situations. Problem is it is hard to train for specific situations or know how we will respond in a real life threatening situation. That doesn't mean we should not have the choice to protect ourselves IMO. In an active shooter situation I'm sure the last thing people are thinking is I hope someone in here doesn't have a gun to possibly take this guy out.

I am not advocating any restrictions on second amendment rights. Funny, I am sure there are some here who would consider me among the strongest supporter of those rights on the board.

 

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I may be mistaken but I thought they said in the presser that the 4500 rounds of ammunition were on the suspects or very close to them within the car.

Seems to be some confusion as to the location of the ammo, but 4500 rounds isn't really a large container of ammo.

In 2013 when 9mm was impossible to get and prices doubled/tripled I grabbed 3000 rounds of cheap mexican target ammo, sold 2 cases at a gun show, and kept one (and a tidy profit). Was nice to shoot "free" for a few months.

Posting for perspective, though... Each of those "cases" is 1000 rounds though. About the volume of a case of canned beer.

FYI: I share all these posts with images/links to try to give unfamiliar folks some perspective. Hopefully it helps. Certainly not trying to be inflammatory.

 

[Slapdash]

12 IEDs!!! We are extremely lucky we got 2 idiots that weren't highly trained or sophisticated. If one of these PTSD vets ever goes nuts it could be much worse.

Well I think we all agree that vets health care needs to be better funded or more well run...

 

[timschochet]

Every time something like this happens Trumps numbers are going to improve.

Disgusting but true.

 

[sho nuff]

3rd suspect that was supposedly detained is not a suspect...guy was possibly fleeing his car when shots were going on.

He was however booked on an outstanding misdemeanor warrant.

Not wearing go-pros

 

[timschochet]

Scheduling my CCW class today. We can open carry here in Ohio as well.

This is happening every day it seems now. 351 mass shootings in the US this year alone.

I'll be prepared.

Please take it seriously, and I would recommend if you do carry at all times to take more self defense classes then the requirement in obtaining your CCW.

In my view 99.99% of police are inadequately trained for emergency situations. Obviously then I do not believe that a one day training is adequate to the task, but that again is only one person's opinion. Of course I have formed my opinion after being intimately involved in training LEO for a substantial portion of my career.

Certainly there is a need to be adequately trained for situations. Problem is it is hard to train for specific situations or know how we will respond in a real life threatening situation. That doesn't mean we should not have the choice to protect ourselves IMO. In an active shooter situation I'm sure the last thing people are thinking is I hope someone in here doesn't have a gun to possibly take this guy out.

I am not advocating any restrictions on second amendment rights. Funny, I am sure there are some here who would consider me among the strongest supporter of those rights on the board.

Don't listen to him! DW is a closet gun grabber.

 

[whoknew]

Does the way the police responded in this case change any minds regarding the use of military style equipment for the cops?

Seems to me like it certainly did help them and saved a few lives in the process of those responding.

I was thinking the same thing. I say make sure every department has the equipment available to them if they want it.

I was one of those who were saying they shouldn't have this type of stuff because of how(for example)the Ferguson situation was handled.I think we need to be very careful in how this type of stuff is used and have very strict guidelines as to when is the right time and when it isn't.This case is certainly giving me pause to my original thinking.

The thing that changed my mind was the hollywood bank shootout. I was living in Los Angeles at the time and the robbers and the cops were riddling the guys in body armor to no effect. The cops literally commandeered an armor car to drive in a remove the wounded. Then the cops went to a local gun store to get high power assault rifles to put them down.

The police should have the capability, these situations do come up.

Pretty much never for 99.9% of police forces.

And the more equipment you give them - they will want to use. So sure - it should only be used in terrorist situations. Except Memphis PD never has terrorism. But they'd sure like to use their armory. Think they will find a way?

 

[whoknew]

Does the way the police responded in this case change any minds regarding the use of military style equipment for the cops?

Seems to me like it certainly did help them and saved a few lives in the process of those responding.

I was thinking the same thing. I say make sure every department has the equipment available to them if they want it.

I was one of those who were saying they shouldn't have this type of stuff because of how(for example)the Ferguson situation was handled.I think we need to be very careful in how this type of stuff is used and have very strict guidelines as to when is the right time and when it isn't.This case is certainly giving me pause to my original thinking.

The thing that changed my mind was the hollywood bank shootout. I was living in Los Angeles at the time and the robbers and the cops were riddling the guys in body armor to no effect. The cops literally commandeered an armor car to drive in a remove the wounded. Then the cops went to a local gun store to get high power assault rifles to put them down.

The police should have the capability, these situations do come up.

Pretty much never for 99.9% of police forces. And the more equipment you give them - they will want to use. So sure - it should only be used in terrorist situations. Except Memphis PD never has terrorism. But they'd sure like to use their armory. Think they will find a way?

Please read The Rise of the Warrior Cop by Radley Balko.

 

[GroveDiesel]

My guess is that there are 2 reasons it hasn't been labeled a terrorist attack yet:

1) Tactical: If they suspect that there are ties to other terrorists, releasing info could compromise our ability to track them down

2) Political: Trying to turn this into an argument for gun control becomes very tricky if it was a terrorist attack because a terrorist clearly isn't going to care about having illegal weapons anyway (as evidenced by their bombs). And if someone inside had had a gun, then at least they would have had a larger chance. When it's some random psycho, it's easier to get away with calls for more gun control. When it's a terrorist, it affects people's perception.

And suddenly the pressure is more on the government as well. We know how much the government still spies on everyone; why didn't they head this off? Didn't Obama just say that ISIS was on the run? The blame can't just be placed on guns when it's clear that the motivation for violence is a much bigger piece than how the violence took place.

Disagree with number 2. Regardless of whether they would have tried to get guns illegally, the fact that they didn't need too makes it that much easier for terrorists (foreign or domestic) to inflict casualties here. Even if they have to go through something as simplistic as a straw purchase it adds another step where the activity and individuals can be deterred or flagged for attention. So if these end up being ideological terrorists carrying out an attack with legally obtained guns, I think it strengthens the gun control position.

Pipe bombs are illegal and yet taking the time to build them didn't seem to be any deterrent for these guys.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Thinking seems to be trending toward this had mixed-motives (terrorism and work place violence) but not sure if the work-place angle was the end objective or an intermediate stop.

 

[Da Guru]

GroveDiesel, on 03 Dec 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:GroveDiesel, on 03 Dec 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:My guess is that there are 2 reasons it hasn't been labeled a terrorist attack yet:

1) Tactical: If they suspect that there are ties to other terrorists, releasing info could compromise our ability to track them down

2) Political: Trying to turn this into an argument for gun control becomes very tricky if it was a terrorist attack because a terrorist clearly isn't going to care about having illegal weapons anyway (as evidenced by their bombs). And if someone inside had had a gun, then at least they would have had a larger chance. When it's some random psycho, it's easier to get away with calls for more gun control. When it's a terrorist, it affects people's perception.

And suddenly the pressure is more on the government as well. We know how much the government still spies on everyone; why didn't they head this off? Didn't Obama just say that ISIS was on the run? The blame can't just be placed on guns when it's clear that the motivation for violence is a much bigger piece than how the violence took place.

Any proof yet that these two muslim shooters were in contact with a specific group?

 

[Donkey Derp]

Does the way the police responded in this case change any minds regarding the use of military style equipment for the cops?

Seems to me like it certainly did help them and saved a few lives in the process of those responding.

I was thinking the same thing. I say make sure every department has the equipment available to them if they want it.

I was one of those who were saying they shouldn't have this type of stuff because of how(for example)the Ferguson situation was handled.I think we need to be very careful in how this type of stuff is used and have very strict guidelines as to when is the right time and when it isn't.This case is certainly giving me pause to my original thinking.

The thing that changed my mind was the hollywood bank shootout. I was living in Los Angeles at the time and the robbers and the cops were riddling the guys in body armor to no effect. The cops literally commandeered an armor car to drive in a remove the wounded. Then the cops went to a local gun store to get high power assault rifles to put them down.

The police should have the capability, these situations do come up.

Pretty much never for 99.9% of police forces.

And the more equipment you give them - they will want to use. So sure - it should only be used in terrorist situations. Except Memphis PD never has terrorism. But they'd sure like to use their armory. Think they will find a way?

Cops did an incredible job yesterday saving countless lives and all you can do is cry about how cops are salivating to use excess force. Man, you are pathetic.

 

[Arizona Ron]

So how long before the "It's my right to open carry an AR-15" guys meet up with the "I thought it was a terrorist so we started shooting" guys?

 

[Phil Elliott]

Does the way the police responded in this case change any minds regarding the use of military style equipment for the cops?

Seems to me like it certainly did help them and saved a few lives in the process of those responding.

I was thinking the same thing. I say make sure every department has the equipment available to them if they want it.

I was one of those who were saying they shouldn't have this type of stuff because of how(for example)the Ferguson situation was handled.I think we need to be very careful in how this type of stuff is used and have very strict guidelines as to when is the right time and when it isn't.This case is certainly giving me pause to my original thinking.

The thing that changed my mind was the hollywood bank shootout. I was living in Los Angeles at the time and the robbers and the cops were riddling the guys in body armor to no effect. The cops literally commandeered an armor car to drive in a remove the wounded. Then the cops went to a local gun store to get high power assault rifles to put them down.

The police should have the capability, these situations do come up.

Pretty much never for 99.9% of police forces.

And the more equipment you give them - they will want to use. So sure - it should only be used in terrorist situations. Except Memphis PD never has terrorism. But they'd sure like to use their armory. Think they will find a way?

Cops did an incredible job yesterday saving countless lives and all you can do is cry about how cops are salivating to use excess force. Man, you are pathetic.

I was listening to the scanner feed when the shoot-out broke out with the SUV. Cops did a great job with the situation and quickly sealing off the area. Reports indicate the girl in the back of the SUV initiated the shooting.

 

[Phil Elliott]

GroveDiesel, on 03 Dec 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:GroveDiesel, on 03 Dec 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:My guess is that there are 2 reasons it hasn't been labeled a terrorist attack yet:

1) Tactical: If they suspect that there are ties to other terrorists, releasing info could compromise our ability to track them down

2) Political: Trying to turn this into an argument for gun control becomes very tricky if it was a terrorist attack because a terrorist clearly isn't going to care about having illegal weapons anyway (as evidenced by their bombs). And if someone inside had had a gun, then at least they would have had a larger chance. When it's some random psycho, it's easier to get away with calls for more gun control. When it's a terrorist, it affects people's perception.

And suddenly the pressure is more on the government as well. We know how much the government still spies on everyone; why didn't they head this off? Didn't Obama just say that ISIS was on the run? The blame can't just be placed on guns when it's clear that the motivation for violence is a much bigger piece than how the violence took place.

Any proof yet that these two muslim shooters were in contact with a specific group?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

 

[Sand]

So I turned it back to MSNBC.

Just as Fox has guests on focused on Islamic terror, MSNBC has guests on focused on gun control. A guy from Think Progress was just on, very frustrated with Republican responses (thoughts and prayers) and noting how much in contributions each guy received from the NRA. He points out that a majority of Americans are in favor of more background checks and getting assault rifles off the street, yet it can't be done because the NRA prevents it. And to those who say we shouldn't discuss this right now, this guy says angrily "why not? Why not?"

And do you really think gun control would have prevented today?

Personally? I doubt it.

I'm skeptical that any kind of gun control would ever prevent these mass shootings. I do think that background checks without limitation would reduce gun violence in general.

Certainly you shouldn't be on the no fly list and be able to legally get a firearm

History is replete with examples of people being put on the list inadvertently, of typos catching out other people, of people with the same name being caught in the list. This is a ridiculous suggestion.

That's not even going down the constitutionally guaranteed rights road.

Shame of it is,there are politicians (and candidates) that feel its ok to compromise our 4th amendment in the name of safety but not the 2nd. Difference is there are contributions to be had defending the 2nd.

There are plenty of localities that greatly compromise 2nd amendment rights through the use of a blizzard of bureaucratic red tape to try and fight through. Chicago is near the top of the list here. I wonder how many of those 350 mass shootings were in the windy city?

Again for the gun control crowd....

This shooting was in a "Gun Free Zone" in the state that has among the strictest (if not the strictest) gun control laws in the country.

Planned Parenthood? Gun Free Zone.

They're not all there, but anyone pretending spree-shooters don't disproportionately target places where a disarmed populace of "sitting ducks" reside are kidding themselves.

Huge proportion of these mass shootings are in gun free zones. Easy pickings.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

12 IEDs/pipebombs found

2500 .223 rounds

2000 9 mm rounds

all found at the home. plus equipment for bombing making.

To be fair, given the immense fluctuations in availability and cost of ammunition (due to gun control threats/efforts), most recreational/competitive shooters/hunters have been conditioned to keep a supply of ammo on-hand. Those ammo levels sound absurd, but if you enjoy going to the range once a week, You'll likely be shooting 500-1000 rounds of ammo a month. When supplies/pricing fluctuations can make purchasing more prohibitive or impossible for months on end, it makes sense to keep some on hand.

NOT AT ALL justifying these guys...particularly the bomb stuff. Just explaining that that quantity of ammunition may seem absurd to someone on the outside, but it's not. I have about that much 9mm on hand, about half that much 5.56/.223 (don't shoot that often), and about half that much 7.62 (AK). I only have a few hundred rounds of 12ga as that's about as readily available a round as there is.

I suspect I have between 6 and 7 thousand rounds of ammunition in my home at this time. I do not keep a precise count. Probably breaks out something like this:

.22 mag - 100 rounds

.223 - 2000 rounds

.270 - 300 rounds

.30-.30 - 300 rounds

.306 - 200 rounds

.308 - 100 rounds

.300 - 50 rounds

.338 - 100 rounds

.45-70 - 200 rounds

.45 -110 - 100 rounds

.458 - 25 rounds

.40 - 2000 rounds

.44 mag - 1000 rounds

.45 - 50 rounds

10mm - 25 rounds

9mm - 25 rounds

.38 - 10 rounds

20 gauge 200 rounds

12 gauge 400 rounds

 

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You absolutely have to love this cop "everyone relax... I'll take a bullet before you do, that's for damn sure"

to the good cops out there

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

You absolutely have to love this cop "everyone relax... I'll take a bullet before you do, that's for damn sure"

to the good cops out there

 

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Damn DW... that's a lot of ammo SKU to keep on hand Ever thought about consolidating the firearms down to more consistent caliber groups?

Impressive spread, sir.

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

Sucks for Odumbo that this is not going to follow his insipid and inane gun control narrative. Unfortunately, this type of thing puts us just a little bit closer to realizing our dream of 'President Trump'.

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

Also, looks like I was right yesterday: Sleeper cell.

 

[Sand]

I suspect I have between 6 and 7 thousand rounds of ammunition in my home at this time. I do not keep a precise count. Probably breaks out something like this:


.22 mag - 100 rounds

.223 - 2000 rounds

.270 - 300 rounds

.30-.30 - 300 rounds

.306 - 200 rounds

.308 - 100 rounds

.300 - 50 rounds

.338 - 100 rounds

.45-70 - 200 rounds

.45 -110 - 100 rounds

.458 - 25 rounds

.40 - 2000 rounds

.44 mag - 1000 rounds

.45 - 50 rounds

10mm - 25 rounds

9mm - 25 rounds

.38 - 10 rounds

20 gauge 200 rounds

12 gauge 400 rounds

I have about this many... in Fallout 4. The only thing you seem to be missing are the mini-nukes.

 

[sho nuff]

Sucks for Odumbo that this is not going to follow his insipid and inane gun control narrative. Unfortunately, this type of thing puts us just a little bit closer to realizing our dream of 'President Trump'.

Sucks for us all if Trump ends up in the Oval.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Sucks for Odumbo that this is not going to follow his insipid and inane gun control narrative. Unfortunately, this type of thing puts us just a little bit closer to realizing our dream of 'President Trump'.

 

[Dickies]

Aren't all these mass shootings essentially terrorist attacks? What is the difference?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Damn DW... that's a lot of ammo SKU to keep on hand Ever thought about consolidating the firearms down to more consistent caliber groups?

Impressive spread, sir.

I have several 'legacy' firearms, Grandfathers, father, commemorative items. If I run out of some of those calibers I am unlikely to replace them. In particular I have too many guns that do essentially the same job. Nobody needs both .306 and .308. Nobody needs both .300 and .338. I seriously doubt I will ever shoot .458 again, just no need for what I do. I doubt I shoot the .22 mag again and that goes for the .10 and the .38 as well. Certainly I can live without both the .44 and the .45, and really I could settle on any of those or the .40 if I had to do so. As for the .223 there is one use for that only in my world since I don't varmint hunt.