14 Killed in Shooting in San Bernardino (1 Viewer)

[tommyboy]

So how long before the "It's my right to open carry an AR-15" guys meet up with the "I thought it was a terrorist so we started shooting" guys?

When minorities start openly exercising their Constitutional rights under the 2nd Amendment is my guess.

interestingly enough, the militant black protestors of the 60's were at the forefront of gun rights/open carry. The argument at the time was the need for self defense. I don't see how that has changed, at all, in the last 50 years.

 

[Limp Ditka]

So in case you weren't angry enough these people shot up a building full of disabled kids, specifically killing people who help disabled kids.

I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that this isn't even remotely true. It was in the banquet hall, which is a separate building than the care facilities themselves.The banquet hall was also rented out to an outside group for a holiday party, it was not being used by the people that work at the facility. Of course there was some staff there to work the banquet, but the facility itself wasn't the target, the occupants were

Its kind of three office building on a campus I don't know which one the shooting was in.

You sure seemed to think that you knew 6 minutes ago

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I have been to this regional center.

Just in case you don't know what the regional center is. It is a non profit that helps people with developmental disabilities. They treat a lot of children with autism. downs and asbergers etc. Most times for free.

So in case you weren't angry enough these people shot up a building full of disabled kids, specifically killing people who help disabled kids.

You know it is always weird when you were at a spot where something like this has happened. I used to drive through the Reginald Denny intersection, I had been in the twin towers, this one is too much.

You always think what would you do if you were there?

Regional center surprisingly is a very secure facility. It has many one way doors and none that will let you directly out without a passcode. This is due to the nature of dealing with disabled adults and kids. Many autistic kids will elope. They just take off. Some adults will just wander off if not contained.

The only reason that guy got in there was he was an employee, it would have been extremely difficult for anyone to get out. Impossible if you were there for treatment and didn't have a card.

Hey LS not sure why folks are tearing into this post. Whether the kids were the intended target or not I found it interesting that you detailed the security and bring up the point that these purps had access because they were employees. You also are conveying that new laws don't need to be enacted tomorrow to beef up security here, you are basically saying that short of being an employee no one is getting in or out of this place.

14 people were executed, I'm sure each and every one of them will be missed and was doing some kind of good in the world. Whether they were directly involved with the kids doesn't make it any more or less of a crime, pretty much heinous all the way around.

 

[shader]

The scary thing to me is that a woman was involved. How often does that happen? Not very often. I don't know what it is (testosterone and drugs?) but most killings like this are done by younger men. Say aged 18-40.

Women for whatever reason don't really seem to do this kind of thing very often. The fact that this women did leads me to believe that the propaganda was very strong.

 

[Loan Sharks]

I have been to this regional center.

Just in case you don't know what the regional center is. It is a non profit that helps people with developmental disabilities. They treat a lot of children with autism. downs and asbergers etc. Most times for free.

So in case you weren't angry enough these people shot up a building full of disabled kids, specifically killing people who help disabled kids.

You know it is always weird when you were at a spot where something like this has happened. I used to drive through the Reginald Denny intersection, I had been in the twin towers, this one is too much.

You always think what would you do if you were there?

Regional center surprisingly is a very secure facility. It has many one way doors and none that will let you directly out without a passcode. This is due to the nature of dealing with disabled adults and kids. Many autistic kids will elope. They just take off. Some adults will just wander off if not contained.

The only reason that guy got in there was he was an employee, it would have been extremely difficult for anyone to get out. Impossible if you were there for treatment and didn't have a card.

What?

His company was having a holiday party there, as of now the only people targeted that we know of are those that were at that party. The party was for County personnel that had rented out the room. They are still douchebags of the highest level but they didn't target those that help the disabled.

So some company other that Regional Center was having a holiday party in the Regional center building?

The employees of regional center are therapists, psychologists, OT, speech pathologists, ABA etc.

I never said they were targeting disabled kids. I said that they targeted the people who treat disabled kids, and unless they were closed, there were likely patients somewhere on that campus.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So how long before the "It's my right to open carry an AR-15" guys meet up with the "I thought it was a terrorist so we started shooting" guys?

When minorities start openly exercising their Constitutional rights under the 2nd Amendment is my guess.

interestingly enough, the militant black protestors of the 60's were at the forefront of gun rights/open carry. The argument at the time was the need for self defense. I don't see how that has changed, at all, in the last 50 years.

Don't tell folks that blacks in the 50s and 60s were much more aligned to GOP principles, you'll start riots.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I have been to this regional center.

Just in case you don't know what the regional center is. It is a non profit that helps people with developmental disabilities. They treat a lot of children with autism. downs and asbergers etc. Most times for free.

So in case you weren't angry enough these people shot up a building full of disabled kids, specifically killing people who help disabled kids.

You know it is always weird when you were at a spot where something like this has happened. I used to drive through the Reginald Denny intersection, I had been in the twin towers, this one is too much.

You always think what would you do if you were there?

Regional center surprisingly is a very secure facility. It has many one way doors and none that will let you directly out without a passcode. This is due to the nature of dealing with disabled adults and kids. Many autistic kids will elope. They just take off. Some adults will just wander off if not contained.

The only reason that guy got in there was he was an employee, it would have been extremely difficult for anyone to get out. Impossible if you were there for treatment and didn't have a card.

What?

His company was having a holiday party there, as of now the only people targeted that we know of are those that were at that party. The party was for County personnel that had rented out the room. They are still douchebags of the highest level but they didn't target those that help the disabled.

So some company other that Regional Center was having a holiday party in the Regional center building?

The employees of regional center are therapists, psychologists, OT, speech pathologists, ABA etc.

I never said they were targeting disabled kids. I said that they targeted the people who treat disabled kids, and unless they were closed, there were likely patients somewhere on that campus.

Apparently...

 

[Limp Ditka]

:sigh:

 

[Loan Sharks]

So in case you weren't angry enough these people shot up a building full of disabled kids, specifically killing people who help disabled kids.

I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that this isn't even remotely true. It was in the banquet hall, which is a separate building than the care facilities themselves.The banquet hall was also rented out to an outside group for a holiday party, it was not being used by the people that work at the facility. Of course there was some staff there to work the banquet, but the facility itself wasn't the target, the occupants were

Its kind of three office building on a campus I don't know which one the shooting was in.

You sure seemed to think that you knew 6 minutes ago

So someone goes in and shoots up the admin office they didn't shoot up a facility for kids. Because it was the office. Good to know that if someone shoots up the teachers lounge at a school it isn't a "school shooting".

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The scary thing to me is that a woman was involved. How often does that happen? Not very often. I don't know what it is (testosterone and drugs?) but most killings like this are done by younger men. Say aged 18-40.

Women for whatever reason don't really seem to do this kind of thing very often. The fact that this women did leads me to believe that the propaganda was very strong.

It happens in the ME all the time fyi...lot of the male recruits have blown themselves up so now the terrorist leaders look for women and children they can use for suicide bombings. Well maybe the real reason isn't lack of recruits but less likely to be stopped or frisked for weapons and bombs.

 

[Limp Ditka]

:sigh:

 

[ATC1]

We are going to head down the usual road where folks line up:

Why do we need guns? (see constitution, etc)

Citizens aren't as well trained as elite military? (citizens are frequently in a better position to respond quickly, not to mention deterrent factor)

Why don't we just ban guns? (look at the war on drugs)

What about improving background checks? (little reasonable argument against this, but let's start with better enforcement of existing laws)

etc etc etc....

Same debates... same questions...same answers....

Sorry but I'm never going to trust some redneck with a gun who thinks he's Chuck Norris trying to diffuse a situation.

Chuck Norris would never need to use a gun. All rednecks know this.

 

[timschochet]

Trump's numbers are high because a loud minority of Republicans, around 45%, are susceptible to fear, bigotry, and ignorance.

Tim's infamous F.B.I.

Fear-Guns are killing people so we must outlaw them



Bigotry-Black Lives Matter



Ignorance-We can tax our way out of this debt.



What was the opinion you wanted to project as known fact?

Hmm. I'm genuinely interested MOP: have you read any of my posts on gun control? (As recently as this morning?) How about the thread I started on Black Lives Matter? Have you read any of my thoughts about taxes? Just curious.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So someone goes in and shoots up the admin office they didn't shoot up a facility for kids. Because it was the office. Good to know that if someone shoots up the teachers lounge at a school it isn't a "school shooting".

You need to get a little more up to speed on what happened, I think.

 

[boots11234]

I kinda feel bad for the folks who commented that they saw suspicious activity but were afraid to report it for seeming like they were profiling....

Imagine they feel some burden from yesterday's events. :(

And Icon that's why even though the party I was with kind of poked fun at me for reporting a couple suspicious folks at the Clevelander a week or so ago but later on in the night several retracted and said they simply never would be looking for that kind of activity. That's what these idiots plan on, that we won't react. Shortly after 9/11 I was on a plane, one of the last times I have flown in the last 15 years and the uniformed crew member came on the intercom asking if (Insert Arabic Name) was on board. Everyone looking around and then relieved that nobody came forward and that nobody seemed to match that description. I was seated next to a Hollywood writer(no idea the name now) but he wrote and murmured next to me "Did Sheik's luggage make it on board?" and that was enough and I asked the lady to come back to our row immediately and got her involved in the the thinking. Pilot heard and immediately stopped the plane, we stayed like that for a good 30-45 minutes until they could verify neither he nor his luggage was anywhere on that plane.

People are typically ridiculed for profiling or speaking out, I've started to get over that feeling and just be ready to verbally attack back anyone who who raises an eyebrow when anyone starts asking questions.

So in other words, because of events like yesterday we should all be suspicious of Middle eastern looking people and report them if they look like something strange is going on?

We shouldn't need constant reminders about this. Any suspicious activity Tim, it's not just ME terrorism. I'm sorry but I'm the guy on the block who calls in suspicious activity.When I see young ME decent with thick beard and backpack walking into a crowded area where I happen to be gathering with friends and when you look around this person is about the only one with a backpack, yep I'm gonna start asking questions. The flip side are the bleeding hearts that parade around and try to make people such as myself feel guilty for making judgements...Up Yours! Not you Tim, but the leftist media and I'll leave it at that. Over the years the "don't judge a book by it's cover" has been their battle cry. I believe like George Carlin said that the guy wielding a machete and beating the top of the bar with it screaming and wailing "F U to America" is likely the person we want to keep an eye on. I might have misquoted Carlin slightly.

MOP what you did was absolutely correct. It's what everyone should do. Your not profiling people your profiling behavior. If your at a grocery store shopping if you see someone who's behavior doesn't match the expected behavior it's time to get concerned. Same with your description of the club. Their behavior is very different then everyone else. Time to alert someone when you see that. The fact that they were ME is just a small piece of it. If they were dancing I bet you wouldn't have even noticed them.

 

[roadkill1292]

So how long before the "It's my right to open carry an AR-15" guys meet up with the "I thought it was a terrorist so we started shooting" guys?

When minorities start openly exercising their Constitutional rights under the 2nd Amendment is my guess.

interestingly enough, the militant black protestors of the 60's were at the forefront of gun rights/open carry. The argument at the time was the need for self defense. I don't see how that has changed, at all, in the last 50 years.

Don't tell folks that blacks in the 50s and 60s were much more aligned to GOP principles, you'll start riots.

Even tommy isn't trying to make that connection, you nitwit. They wanted to protect themselves from the people who became the GOP.

 

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I can't help but laugh....

Spam message I just got:

"Are you prepared for muslim terrorist [sic]. Buy ammo"

 

[ATC1]

I kinda feel bad for the folks who commented that they saw suspicious activity but were afraid to report it for seeming like they were profiling....

Imagine they feel some burden from yesterday's events. :(

And Icon that's why even though the party I was with kind of poked fun at me for reporting a couple suspicious folks at the Clevelander a week or so ago but later on in the night several retracted and said they simply never would be looking for that kind of activity. That's what these idiots plan on, that we won't react. Shortly after 9/11 I was on a plane, one of the last times I have flown in the last 15 years and the uniformed crew member came on the intercom asking if (Insert Arabic Name) was on board. Everyone looking around and then relieved that nobody came forward and that nobody seemed to match that description. I was seated next to a Hollywood writer(no idea the name now) but he wrote and murmured next to me "Did Sheik's luggage make it on board?" and that was enough and I asked the lady to come back to our row immediately and got her involved in the the thinking. Pilot heard and immediately stopped the plane, we stayed like that for a good 30-45 minutes until they could verify neither he nor his luggage was anywhere on that plane.

People are typically ridiculed for profiling or speaking out, I've started to get over that feeling and just be ready to verbally attack back anyone who who raises an eyebrow when anyone starts asking questions.

So in other words, because of events like yesterday we should all be suspicious of Middle eastern looking people and report them if they look like something strange is going on?

We shouldn't need constant reminders about this. Any suspicious activity Tim, it's not just ME terrorism. I'm sorry but I'm the guy on the block who calls in suspicious activity.When I see young ME decent with thick beard and backpack walking into a crowded area where I happen to be gathering with friends and when you look around this person is about the only one with a backpack, yep I'm gonna start asking questions. The flip side are the bleeding hearts that parade around and try to make people such as myself feel guilty for making judgements...Up Yours! Not you Tim, but the leftist media and I'll leave it at that. Over the years the "don't judge a book by it's cover" has been their battle cry. I believe like George Carlin said that the guy wielding a machete and beating the top of the bar with it screaming and wailing "F U to America" is likely the person we want to keep an eye on. I might have misquoted Carlin slightly.

MOP what you did was absolutely correct. It's what everyone should do. Your not profiling people your profiling behavior. If your at a grocery store shopping if you see someone who's behavior doesn't match the expected behavior it's time to get concerned.

Same with your description of the club. Their behavior is very different then everyone else. Time to alert someone when you see that.

George Zimmerman approves this message.

It really is a shame people are affraid of the label put on them if they say anything.

 

[kOOk]

I'm sure I speak for all Americans when I say "thank you, MOP, for being on that wall for us".

lol

 

[timschochet]

It's perfectly fine to report suspicious behavior. But what is suspicious behavior? If one of the components to that behavior is the appearance of the person doing it (Middle Eastern in this discussion) then it's not fine.

In other words if you report a Middle Eastern looking person doing something you regard as suspicious, but would not report a white person that was doing the EXACT SAME THING, then you're acting in a bigoted manner, and it's not OK.

 

[cockroach]

I'm sure I speak for all Americans when I say "thank you, MOP, for being on that wall for us".

Avoid: MEs

Exploit: SF

 

[Soulfly3]

If you see a middle eastern guy carrying a gun assault rifle... Id call it in

 

[Doctor Detroit]

:sigh:

Pitch him a beach ball and he ain't hitting it.

 

[[icon]]

We are going to head down the usual road where folks line up:

Why do we need guns? (see constitution, etc)

Citizens aren't as well trained as elite military? (citizens are frequently in a better position to respond quickly, not to mention deterrent factor)

Why don't we just ban guns? (look at the war on drugs)

What about improving background checks? (little reasonable argument against this, but let's start with better enforcement of existing laws)

etc etc etc....

Same debates... same questions...same answers....

Sorry but I'm never going to trust some redneck with a gun who thinks he's Chuck Norris trying to diffuse a situation.

Chuck Norris would never need to use a gun. All rednecks know this.

Plus for every redneck with a gun, there is a ex/current LEO/MIL or sport shooter with as much or more training and is a better shot than most cops.

Not going to say there's not an occasional jethro or cletus screwing things up.... but the vast majority of CCW weapons holders are not only extremely competent with firearms, but that are an "important crime deterrent" per the CDC.

However, continue with cliche derogatory name-calling if it makes you feel better... just remember to buy Jethro a beer if he ever saves your ###.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

The building super just gave me a copy of the US Dept of Justice "Active Shooter Event Quick Reference Guide." Good grief.

 

[acapella]

It's perfectly fine to report suspicious behavior. But what is suspicious behavior? If one of the components to that behavior is the appearance of the person doing it (Middle Eastern in this discussion) then it's not fine.

In other words if you report a Middle Eastern looking person doing something you regard as suspicious, but would not report a white person that was doing the EXACT SAME THING, then you're acting in a bigoted manner, and it's not OK.

Treating one group of people differently than another is not bigotry when there is reason for the disparate treatment that doesn't involve hate or intolerance.

 

[Limp Ditka]

:sigh:

Pitch him a beach ball and he ain't hitting it.

Rather fitting that MOP struck up a conversation with him

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I have been to this regional center.

Just in case you don't know what the regional center is. It is a non profit that helps people with developmental disabilities. They treat a lot of children with autism. downs and asbergers etc. Most times for free.

So in case you weren't angry enough these people shot up a building full of disabled kids, specifically killing people who help disabled kids.

You know it is always weird when you were at a spot where something like this has happened. I used to drive through the Reginald Denny intersection, I had been in the twin towers, this one is too much.

You always think what would you do if you were there?

Regional center surprisingly is a very secure facility. It has many one way doors and none that will let you directly out without a passcode. This is due to the nature of dealing with disabled adults and kids. Many autistic kids will elope. They just take off. Some adults will just wander off if not contained.

The only reason that guy got in there was he was an employee, it would have been extremely difficult for anyone to get out. Impossible if you were there for treatment and didn't have a card.

Unbelievably, heartbreakingly sad. Yes these employees helped those in need. I'm guessing the health department did work with this facility, just adds sorrow upon sorrow. There will be trauma with the handicapped people there too. Huge ripples of harm here.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

So in case you weren't angry enough these people shot up a building full of disabled kids, specifically killing people who help disabled kids.

I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that this isn't even remotely true. It was in the banquet hall, which is a separate building than the care facilities themselves.The banquet hall was also rented out to an outside group for a holiday party, it was not being used by the people that work at the facility. Of course there was some staff there to work the banquet, but the facility itself wasn't the target, the occupants were

Its kind of three office building on a campus I don't know which one the shooting was in.

You sure seemed to think that you knew 6 minutes ago

So someone goes in and shoots up the admin office they didn't shoot up a facility for kids. Because it was the office. Good to know that if someone shoots up the teachers lounge at a school it isn't a "school shooting".

ugh, I give up

 

[Scoresman]

We are going to head down the usual road where folks line up:

Why do we need guns? (see constitution, etc)

Citizens aren't as well trained as elite military? (citizens are frequently in a better position to respond quickly, not to mention deterrent factor)

Why don't we just ban guns? (look at the war on drugs)

What about improving background checks? (little reasonable argument against this, but let's start with better enforcement of existing laws)

etc etc etc....

Same debates... same questions...same answers....

Sorry but I'm never going to trust some redneck with a gun who thinks he's Chuck Norris trying to diffuse a situation.

Chuck Norris would never need to use a gun. All rednecks know this.

Plus for every redneck with a gun, there is a ex/current LEO/MIL or sport shooter with as much or more training and is a better shot than most cops.

Not going to say there's not an occasional jethro or cletus screwing things up.... but the vast majority of CCW weapons holders are not only extremely competent with firearms, but that are an "important crime deterrent" per the CDC.

However, continue with cliche derogatory name-calling if it makes you feel better... just remember to buy Jethro a beer if he ever saves your ###.

You really brush this part off like it'd be no big deal if it happened.

 

[Cjw_55106]

The building super just gave me a copy of the US Dept of Justice "Active Shooter Event Quick Reference Guide." Good grief.

What a jackass he must be. Its better to just do nothing...because, ya know, the odds of needing it and stuff.

 

[B-Deep]

Mass shootings always make me sad

and then a day or two later reading through threads about mass shootings makes me sad too, for a different set of reasons

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Officials: San Bernardino shooter apparently was in touch with terror subjects...And two government officials said no red flags were raised when he'd gone to Saudi Arabia for several weeks in 2013 on the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Muslims are required to take at least once in their lifetime. It was during this trip that he met Malik, a native of Pakistan who came to the United States in July 2014 on a "fiancée visa" and later became a lawful permanent resident.

Officials had previously said neither Farook and Malik were known to the FBI or on a list of potentially radicalized people. Nor had they had any known interactions with police until Wednesday.

Yet Farook himself had talked by phone and on social media with more than one person being investigated for terrorism, law enforcement officials said.

The communications were "soft connections" in that they weren't frequent, one law enforcement official said. It had been a few months since Farook's last back-and-forth with these people, who officials said were not considered high priority.

...

San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan echoed that sentiment, while adding that whatever led the two to launch Wednesday's assault, they could have killed more had they survived. He pointed to the discovery of hundreds of rounds of ammunition in their rented black SUV as well as in their apartment.

Authorities also found 12 pipe bombs there, as well as hundreds of tools that "could be used to construct IEDs or pipe bombs," the chief said.

...

 

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Plus for every redneck with a gun, there is a ex/current LEO/MIL or sport shooter with as much or more training and is a better shot than most cops.

Not going to say there's not an occasional jethro or cletus screwing things up.... but the vast majority of CCW weapons holders are not only extremely competent with firearms, but that are an "important crime deterrent" per the CDC.

However, continue with cliche derogatory name-calling if it makes you feel better... just remember to buy Jethro a beer if he ever saves your ###.

You really brush this part off like it'd be no big deal if it happened.

I guess I'll accept the one negative outcome for every group of dozens of cases where likely it saved lives. Cops make mistakes too.... there's a study somewhere that unintended casualties are generally higher in cases where police are involved than CCW citizens. I've posted the study in other threads, but don't care to go through the trouble of looking it up again as nothing is going to change your mind.... just like I've yet to be presented with any evidence that changes my mind. So here we are.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

NBC Nightly News Verified account ‏@NBCNightlyNews

FBI: Investigation indicates male attacker visited Pakistan at some point; female attacker in US on K-1 visa via Pakistani passport.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Trump's numbers are high because a loud minority of Republicans, around 45%, are susceptible to fear, bigotry, and ignorance.

Tim's infamous F.B.I.Fear-Guns are killing people so we must outlaw them



Bigotry-Black Lives Matter



Ignorance-We can tax our way out of this debt.



What was the opinion you wanted to project as known fact?

Hmm. I'm genuinely interested MOP: have you read any of my posts on gun control? (As recently as this morning?) How about the thread I started on Black Lives Matter? Have you read any of my thoughts about taxes?Just curious.

Tim you said 45% of GOP voters are a mix of the 3 things you listed. You make it sound like a fact and I'm pointing out the Left or DNC has their clowns as well. It's mind boggling for folks who tend to sway GOP and while labeled as such I am not, but GOP supporters before they even open their mouths are usually labeled a certain way by folks on the Left.

You introduce to me a stranger and also divulge they are democrat, I don't instantly start hitting the talking points. But you introduce a Leftist to a stranger and mention they vote Republican, instant label of bigot. Now how is that fair? I remember in California when I was openly Republican how embarrassed my wife would get at functions when people discovered I didn't vote Democrat as the husband of a non profit profiteer.

I would be interested in reading it Tim but at the same time I don't have the time to invest in some of your topics and posts.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If you see a middle eastern guy carrying a gun assault rifle... Id call it in

Or wait until they fire it and wound several or kill a few just to make sure they are truly terrorists, better to be safe than sorry.

 

[timschochet]

It's perfectly fine to report suspicious behavior. But what is suspicious behavior? If one of the components to that behavior is the appearance of the person doing it (Middle Eastern in this discussion) then it's not fine.

In other words if you report a Middle Eastern looking person doing something you regard as suspicious, but would not report a white person that was doing the EXACT SAME THING, then you're acting in a bigoted manner, and it's not OK.

Treating one group of people differently than another is not bigotry when there is reason for the disparate treatment that doesn't involve hate or intolerance.

Yes it is because that "reason" you're offering is not good enough. 99% of Muslims in this country are good patriotic Americans with no intent to do us harm. (The percentage is probably higher). And I'm not even including here all of the Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Jews, and Christians who look "Middle Eastern". These people do not deserve to be treated with suspicion because guys like MOP decide to be lazy, ignorant, and bigoted about these matters. We're better than that.

 

[snogger]

It's perfectly fine to report suspicious behavior. But what is suspicious behavior? If one of the components to that behavior is the appearance of the person doing it (Middle Eastern in this discussion) then it's not fine.

In other words if you report a Middle Eastern looking person doing something you regard as suspicious, but would not report a white person that was doing the EXACT SAME THING, then you're acting in a bigoted manner, and it's not OK.

In this case someone saw a few Middle eastern men enter an apartment .. and now feels guilty because he feels he should have reported it..

Reported what.. some middle eastern guys going into an apartment.. How many middle eastern people can gather before it becomes "suspicious" .. 2, 3.. ???

As I stated above, middle eastern people soon will not be able to gather for Birthday Parties, to watch Sports, or gather in any groups larger then 2 before people feel they need to report "suspicious" activity..

after that, who's next?? Russians, Jews...

the Irish

 

[TobiasFunke]

We are going to head down the usual road where folks line up:

Why do we need guns? (see constitution, etc)

Citizens aren't as well trained as elite military? (citizens are frequently in a better position to respond quickly, not to mention deterrent factor)

Why don't we just ban guns? (look at the war on drugs)

What about improving background checks? (little reasonable argument against this, but let's start with better enforcement of existing laws)

etc etc etc....

Same debates... same questions...same answers....

Sorry but I'm never going to trust some redneck with a gun who thinks he's Chuck Norris trying to diffuse a situation.

Chuck Norris would never need to use a gun. All rednecks know this.

Plus for every redneck with a gun, there is a ex/current LEO/MIL or sport shooter with as much or more training and is a better shot than most cops.

Not going to say there's not an occasional jethro or cletus screwing things up.... but the vast majority of CCW weapons holders are not only extremely competent with firearms, but that are an "important crime deterrent" per the CDC.

However, continue with cliche derogatory name-calling if it makes you feel better... just remember to buy Jethro a beer if he ever saves your ###.

This sounded like a pile of The link you provided is to a CNS News article, and the hyperlink they offer is not to a CDC study but to a link to buy some other report.

So I googled it, and it turns out that the CDC study they're referring to wasn't a study at all. It was a CDC-directed review and summary of the existing research and gaps, and the bit about it being an "important crime deterrent" was actually a quote from the infamous and repeatedly debunked 1995 Kleck and Gertz study that was quoted as evidence of differing conclusions in different studies and the lingering controversy in the field.

I don't blame you for lying to us here, you were obviously misled by an irresponsible and incompetent news source. But maybe next time don't trust CNS News for your coverage of the issues of the day?

Incidentally, if you're wondering why the CDC hasn't actually done a study of their own and is limited to regurgitating the existing and conflicting studies, it's because NRA-funded GOP members of Congress have barred them from doing so.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

J.M. Berger ‏@intelwire 2h2 hours ago

FBI at presser: Farook had traveled to Pakistan in 2012; won't comment on whether bomb resembles an Inspire magazine model.

- You may know but to be clear Inspire is the AQ published magazine more or less how to become a jihadi.

 

[acapella]

It's perfectly fine to report suspicious behavior. But what is suspicious behavior? If one of the components to that behavior is the appearance of the person doing it (Middle Eastern in this discussion) then it's not fine.

In other words if you report a Middle Eastern looking person doing something you regard as suspicious, but would not report a white person that was doing the EXACT SAME THING, then you're acting in a bigoted manner, and it's not OK.

Treating one group of people differently than another is not bigotry when there is reason for the disparate treatment that doesn't involve hate or intolerance.

Yes it is because that "reason" you're offering is not good enough. 99% of Muslims in this country are good patriotic Americans with no intent to do us harm. (The percentage is probably higher). And I'm not even including here all of the Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Jews, and Christians who look "Middle Eastern". These people do not deserve to be treated with suspicion because guys like MOP decide to be lazy, ignorant, and bigoted about these matters. We're better than that.

I offered no "reason". You do not understand the meaning of the word "bigotry".

 

[timschochet]

Trump's numbers are high because a loud minority of Republicans, around 45%, are susceptible to fear, bigotry, and ignorance.

Tim's infamous F.B.I.Fear-Guns are killing people so we must outlaw them



Bigotry-Black Lives Matter



Ignorance-We can tax our way out of this debt.



What was the opinion you wanted to project as known fact?

Hmm. I'm genuinely interested MOP: have you read any of my posts on gun control? (As recently as this morning?) How about the thread I started on Black Lives Matter? Have you read any of my thoughts about taxes?Just curious.

Tim you said 45% of GOP voters are a mix of the 3 things you listed. You make it sound like a fact and I'm pointing out the Left or DNC has their clowns as well. It's mind boggling for folks who tend to sway GOP and while labeled as such I am not, but GOP supporters before they even open their mouths are usually labeled a certain way by folks on the Left.You introduce to me a stranger and also divulge they are democrat, I don't instantly start hitting the talking points. But you introduce a Leftist to a stranger and mention they vote Republican, instant label of bigot. Now how is that fair? I remember in California when I was openly Republican how embarrassed my wife would get at functions when people discovered I didn't vote Democrat as the husband of a non profit profiteer.

I would be interested in reading it Tim but at the same time I don't have the time to invest in some of your topics and posts.

My 45% figure was based on adding up the numbers for Trump and Cruz. If I add Carson it gets even higher. And I absolutely dispute your claim. There are no equivalent "clowns" as you call them on the Democrat side. You may disagree with Hillary and Bernie but they're serious people and their political positions are not based on ignorance fear or bigotry.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And I absolutely dispute your claim. There are no equivalent "clowns" as you call them on the Democrat side. You may disagree with Hillary and Bernie but they're serious people and their political positions are not based on ignorance fear or bigotry.

This is astonishing.

 

[timschochet]

It seriously depresses me that I even have to argue this stuff. What are we coming to?

MOP, like Eminence, is really not worth my time to respond to. Somebody else can reply to him if they want.

 

[Zegras11]

It's perfectly fine to report suspicious behavior. But what is suspicious behavior? If one of the components to that behavior is the appearance of the person doing it (Middle Eastern in this discussion) then it's not fine.

In other words if you report a Middle Eastern looking person doing something you regard as suspicious, but would not report a white person that was doing the EXACT SAME THING, then you're acting in a bigoted manner, and it's not OK.

Treating one group of people differently than another is not bigotry when there is reason for the disparate treatment that doesn't involve hate or intolerance.

Yes it is because that "reason" you're offering is not good enough. 99% of Muslims in this country are good patriotic Americans with no intent to do us harm. (The percentage is probably higher). And I'm not even including here all of the Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Jews, and Christians who look "Middle Eastern". These people do not deserve to be treated with suspicion because guys like MOP decide to be lazy, ignorant, and bigoted about these matters. We're better than that.

Why do you target Trump supporters with your hate?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Tips if you ever confronted with a terrorist in the building you work.

1. Try and find an escape route. This seems obvious but those big red exit signs come in very handy when you and almost everyone around you is panicking and lost their minds.

2. If you cannot get out of the building find a hiding spot like your office and try to lock the door. If the door will not lock try to put something in front of the door or use your belt and tie it around the door hinge especially if there is a big one above the door.

3. Hide under a desk

4. If you cannot hide or your hideout is being busted thru you must grab a pair of scissors and be ready to fight whatever comes thru that door. Stab them in the arm, neck, eyes whatever it takes until help arrives.

I dunno I saw it on one of the overly caffeinated morning shows like GMA or Today.

 

[Shula-holic]

And I absolutely dispute your claim. There are no equivalent "clowns" as you call them on the Democrat side. You may disagree with Hillary and Bernie but they're serious people and their political positions are not based on ignorance fear or bigotry.

This is astonishing.

Has anyone ever seen a Debbie Wasserman Schultz interview?

 

[Nick Vermeil]

The building super just gave me a copy of the US Dept of Justice "Active Shooter Event Quick Reference Guide." Good grief.

What a jackass he must be. Its better to just do nothing...because, ya know, the odds of needing it and stuff.

You miss read my "good grief." This is so common now there is ####### Active Shooter Event Quick Reference Guide!

 

[snogger]

And I absolutely dispute your claim. There are no equivalent "clowns" as you call them on the Democrat side. You may disagree with Hillary and Bernie but they're serious people and their political positions are not based on ignorance fear or bigotry.

This is astonishing.

yea, even coming from Tim that is a....WHAT?!?!? :whoosh: