14 Killed in Shooting in San Bernardino (3 Viewers)

[jonessed]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

 

[Limp Ditka]

So in case you weren't angry enough these people shot up a building full of disabled kids, specifically killing people who help disabled kids.

I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that this isn't even remotely true. It was in the banquet hall, which is a separate building than the care facilities themselves.The banquet hall was also rented out to an outside group for a holiday party, it was not being used by the people that work at the facility. Of course there was some staff there to work the banquet, but the facility itself wasn't the target, the occupants were

It was a conference room being used by department of health employees. In a regional center building. Regional Center is run by the department of health. Even if they people using the conference room were from another department I think it is unrealistic that there were no Regional Center employees in the building.

What would we do without your insight?

Keep on trolling I guess.

You're hell bent on thinking that you know everything about what happened here just because you've walked the grounds before and I'm calling you out on the foolishness of that.

You thinking my responses are trolling only helps magnify that foolishness.

 

[Amused to Death]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

SECOND AMENDMENT!!

(But let's close down mosques and expand illegal surveillance because...safety)

 

[jonessed]

Can we at least get this ####### law passed?

If you decide to "vacation" or travel into any known terrorist state, you are banned from re-entering the United States, ever again.

I don't care if you're a jew, Catholic, baptist, Muslim, or an alien. Step foot in a terrorist state, you're banned from U.S. soil.

A lot of people travel to Egypt, Jordan, Syria (pre-civil war), etc. for tourism. I would still love to go to Egypt. That's aside from people who have family or business there.

There's no good reason to go to Syria right now, but Saudi Arabia? That's fine.

 

[Loan Sharks]

So in case you weren't angry enough these people shot up a building full of disabled kids, specifically killing people who help disabled kids.

I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that this isn't even remotely true. It was in the banquet hall, which is a separate building than the care facilities themselves.The banquet hall was also rented out to an outside group for a holiday party, it was not being used by the people that work at the facility. Of course there was some staff there to work the banquet, but the facility itself wasn't the target, the occupants were

It was a conference room being used by department of health employees. In a regional center building. Regional Center is run by the department of health. Even if they people using the conference room were from another department I think it is unrealistic that there were no Regional Center employees in the building.

What would we do without your insight?

Keep on trolling I guess.

You're hell bent on thinking that you know everything about what happened here just because you've walked the grounds before and I'm calling you out on the foolishness of that.

You thinking my responses are trolling only helps magnify that foolishness.

Yes I am a fool for being concerned for the people in the building. Are you weird or something?

 

[Gr00vus]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

SECOND AMENDMENT!!

(But let's close down mosques and expand illegal surveillance because...safety)

We need to go whole hog minority report here and stop talking about half measures. Anything less means you're with the terrorists.

 

[Amused to Death]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

 

[jonessed]

Don't anyone ever question me again when I simply ask early on in a thread to not turn the thread into a debate when people want news and info.

Your welcome and thank you all in advance for future threads.

I tried as well. People care more about their side "winning" than actually getting facts and info. It's a great example of our political system.

Meh. You do this as well. There are very few people around here that are in a position to wag the finger in this regard.

Our political system reciprocates the electorate, not the other way around. If you want to fix the politics you have to look in the mirror first.

 

[Limp Ditka]

So in case you weren't angry enough these people shot up a building full of disabled kids, specifically killing people who help disabled kids.

I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that this isn't even remotely true. It was in the banquet hall, which is a separate building than the care facilities themselves.The banquet hall was also rented out to an outside group for a holiday party, it was not being used by the people that work at the facility. Of course there was some staff there to work the banquet, but the facility itself wasn't the target, the occupants were

It was a conference room being used by department of health employees. In a regional center building. Regional Center is run by the department of health. Even if they people using the conference room were from another department I think it is unrealistic that there were no Regional Center employees in the building.

What would we do without your insight?

Keep on trolling I guess.

You're hell bent on thinking that you know everything about what happened here just because you've walked the grounds before and I'm calling you out on the foolishness of that.You thinking my responses are trolling only helps magnify that foolishness.

Yes I am a fool for being concerned for the people in the building. Are you weird or something?

My problem isn't with your concern for others.

HTH

 

[jonessed]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

The key is "convicted". There is due process. There is no due process with the no-fly list. Most people on it don't even know they are on it.

 

[Bucky86]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

Nobody knows.

 

[Gr00vus]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

There really is no criteria thanks to gigantic loopholes (purposeful or otherwise) in the patriot act language. Basically, if someone in government wants you on the no fly list (or worse) they have a blank check as long as they brand you a terrorist suspect.

 

[Bucky86]

Don't anyone ever question me again when I simply ask early on in a thread to not turn the thread into a debate when people want news and info.

Your welcome and thank you all in advance for future threads.

I tried as well. People care more about their side "winning" than actually getting facts and info. It's a great example of our political system.

Meh. You do this as well. There are very few people around here that are in a position to wag the finger in this regard.

Our political system reciprocates the electorate, not the other way around. If you want to fix the politics you have to look in the mirror first.

You do this more.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

The key is "convicted". There is due process. There is no due process with the no-fly list. Most people on it don't even know they are on it.

What is the point in not letting them fly?

 

[Amused to Death]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

The key is "convicted". There is due process. There is no due process with the no-fly list. Most people on it don't even know they are on it.

You can be denied a gun if you have a restraining order against you. You can be denied if you have a history of drug use.

You can buy a gun if you're a suspected terrorist.

 

[jonessed]

Don't anyone ever question me again when I simply ask early on in a thread to not turn the thread into a debate when people want news and info.

Your welcome and thank you all in advance for future threads.

I tried as well. People care more about their side "winning" than actually getting facts and info. It's a great example of our political system.

Meh. You do this as well. There are very few people around here that are in a position to wag the finger in this regard.

Our political system reciprocates the electorate, not the other way around. If you want to fix the politics you have to look in the mirror first.

You do this more.

I do it more than I should that's for sure. It wasn't meant to be personal. It's the nature of this medium I think.

 

[Amused to Death]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

The key is "convicted". There is due process. There is no due process with the no-fly list. Most people on it don't even know they are on it.

What is the point in not letting them fly?

The airline industry doesn't contribute to political campaigns.

 

[jonessed]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

The key is "convicted". There is due process. There is no due process with the no-fly list. Most people on it don't even know they are on it.

What is the point in not letting them fly?

The government feels there is a risk. There's no constitutional right to fly.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

The key is "convicted". There is due process. There is no due process with the no-fly list. Most people on it don't even know they are on it.

What is the point in not letting them fly?

The government feels there is a risk. There's no constitutional right to fly.

A risk of what?

 

[jonessed]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

The key is "convicted". There is due process. There is no due process with the no-fly list. Most people on it don't even know they are on it.

You can be denied a gun if you have a restraining order against you. You can be denied if you have a history of drug use.

You can buy a gun if you're a suspected terrorist.

Yes. I don't see a problem with any of this.

A restraining order has to at least go through a judge and there is an appeals process. You would have to be convicted of the drug use. There's definitely more due process there than just throwing a name on a list. We can't just have the government creating secret lists to deny people constitutional rights. That's not acceptable.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

lol

 

[jonessed]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

The key is "convicted". There is due process. There is no due process with the no-fly list. Most people on it don't even know they are on it.

What is the point in not letting them fly?

The government feels there is a risk. There's no constitutional right to fly.

A risk of what?

Leaving the country? Hurting someone? Could be anything I suppose.

 

[Fennis]

Was it reported that Farooq was on the no fly list?

 

[Amused to Death]

Just a thought in all this: Is Congress bereft of any sense? People on the NO FLY LIST are permitted to buy guns, explosives, etc! Are we nuts to allow that?

Explosives? Not many people are allowed to buy explosives.

The no-fly list is not a high enough bar to strip someone of a constitutional right. There has to be a more robust process for something like that.

What is the criteria for getting on the no fly list? Can it be contested if you're wrongly put on it? We strip people of their right to vote if they're found guilty of a felony - can't we use common sense that if you're determined to be too much of a risk to fly maybe we should somewhat limit the amount of damage you may cause?

The key is "convicted". There is due process. There is no due process with the no-fly list. Most people on it don't even know they are on it.

You can be denied a gun if you have a restraining order against you. You can be denied if you have a history of drug use.

You can buy a gun if you're a suspected terrorist.

Yes. I don't see a problem with any of this.

A restraining order has to at least go through a judge and there is an appeals process. You would have to be convicted of the drug use. There's definitely more due process there than just throwing a name on a list. We can't just have the government creating secret lists to deny people constitutional rights. That's not acceptable.

But they do it with the NSA and people want to expand it under the guise of safety. And people are ok with that. People want to shut down mosques and some are ok with that.

And a restraining order is not due process. What if a judge reviews the no fly evidence and concludes there's too much risk just like an R.O.?

Its just ridiculous to me that the entire conversation ends with "second amendment".

 

[mr roboto]

John Madden placed himself on the no fly list.

 

[snogger]

Was it reported that Farooq was on the no fly list?

he wasn't on any "list" just the latest tangent /

 

[mr roboto]

Sugar Ray would be very unhappy if he was on the no fly list.

 

[mr roboto]

R Kelly believes he can, and should, be allowed to fly.

 

[Fennis]

Was it reported that Farooq was on the no fly list?

he wasn't on any "list" just the latest tangent /

the tangents don't bother me, after a few hours of an incident I mostly like them. I agree very early on they are bad form.

I see a lot of clammering around no guns for no-fly lists and it just seems like a bad idea to me. To top it off it apparently would not have impact on this attack anyway.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Dave Grohl had to learn to fly once he wasn't allowed to fly commercial

 

[Limp Ditka]

Dave Grohl had to learn to fly once he wasn't allowed to fly commercial

David Gilmore, still learning to fly for the same reason

 

[Bucky86]

Don't anyone ever question me again when I simply ask early on in a thread to not turn the thread into a debate when people want news and info.

Your welcome and thank you all in advance for future threads.

I tried as well. People care more about their side "winning" than actually getting facts and info. It's a great example of our political system.

Meh. You do this as well. There are very few people around here that are in a position to wag the finger in this regard.

Our political system reciprocates the electorate, not the other way around. If you want to fix the politics you have to look in the mirror first.

You do this more.

I do it more than I should that's for sure. It wasn't meant to be personal. It's the nature of this medium I think.

I win!

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

First, I hope no one finds this insensitive as what I'm gonna post has little to do with tragedy, and is more pertinent to the topic of Muslim terrorism in the US.

As news started trickling out that the couple were radicalized Muslims and had some contact with suspected terrorists, I started wondering "If this is a true pre-planned operation, coordinated/recruited through Saudi Arabia and a legit terrorist organization, is this really what we have to worry about?"

Forget the news for a second. If truly a Muslism terror attack, the only effects (aside from the casualties; I'll touch on in a second), will be a few months of political grandstanding on gun control, racial profiling and possibly refugee harboring.

Isn't the entire goal of terrorism to make everyone feel like they could be a victim of violence, anywhere, anytime? If so, I feel these two pieces of garbage fell short on every strategic goal random attacks like this are intended to achieve.

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

2. Casualties; while sad, especially for those directly involved, we've seen far worse domestically. I researched, and this is only the 2nd Muslim perpetrated attack to take more than 10 lives post 9/11. We quadrupled that number in corn-fed American kids shutting up schools. The other was Fort Hood.

3. Post Attack Behavior; maybe they expected to die in that community center, because they had no clue what to do after they drove away. Was the last sheet of the plan left on the countertop. Why drive around, go home, do no more damage and end up dead on the pavement... This baffles me

As much of the garbage we've seen with the police corruption recently, I've gotta say they get an A+ here. Limiting the situation to the initial event, identifying, engaging and taking out the perpetrators in 3-4 hours without any additional casualties, against a "prepared terrorist couple armed to the teeth and fleeing is impressive.

IMO this changes nothing; aside from political leanings. If one of the ####ers straps a bomb vest on, walks into an NFL game or NASCAR race, sits in a crowded section and pushes the button, I might start thinking twice about certain things, but in a tragic way, I almost feel like this was a total strategic failure if terrorism was the motive.

 

[Sand]

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

Just saw on TV that the shooter got into a heated argument with a devout Christian co-worker about whether Islam was a religion of peace. That co-worker was among the 14 killed. One wonders if the target changed, given the vast array of guns and explosives found.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

Just saw on TV that the shooter got into a heated argument with a devout Christian co-worker about whether Islam was a religion of peace. That co-worker was among the 14 killed. One wonders if the target changed, given the vast array of guns and explosives found.

The co-worker was a pro-Israel Jew.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

Just saw on TV that the shooter got into a heated argument with a devout Christian co-worker about whether Islam was a religion of peace. That co-worker was among the 14 killed. One wonders if the target changed, given the vast array of guns and explosives found.

If these two people were terrorists, maybe not even assigned a mission, target, or timeframe yet, but were willing to sacrifice their grand plan over a petty argument with a coworker, it just adds fuel to the fire they got their freshman team working American soil.9/11 changed the way we live; that was the 1980 American Hockey Miracle on Ice for Muslism terrorism. This just reinforces that on a strategic level, they're back to the stone-age on American soil. The biggest threat terrorist groups are is most likely to our soldiers deployed to the countries they operate in.

 

[Donkey Derp]

Revealed: Brother of San Bernardino gunman is a decorated Navy veteran honored for his role in the war on terror

• Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, was named as the heavily armed gunman who massacred 14 at a conference center on Wednesday morning
• But his brother Syed Raheel Farook served in the Navy for four years
• The married father served as an information systems technician on the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise
• His awards include the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal and Global War on Terrorism Service Medal

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345337/Brother-San-Bernardino-gunman-decorated-Navy-veteran-honored-role-war-terror.html

 

[jon_mx]

I'll show you it's a religion of peace. I will blow your head off! Q.E.D.

 

[ffldrew]

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

Just saw on TV that the shooter got into a heated argument with a devout Christian co-worker about whether Islam was a religion of peace. That co-worker was among the 14 killed. One wonders if the target changed, given the vast array of guns and explosives found.

The co-worker was a pro-Israel Jew.

He was a Messianic Jew

 

[bakes]

Dave Grohl had to learn to fly once he wasn't allowed to fly commercial

David Gilmore, still learning to fly for the same reason

Lenny Kravitz wants to fly away, yeah, yeah, yeah, and repeats himself over and over again at every gate in JFK...

 

[jerry jones]

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

Just saw on TV that the shooter got into a heated argument with a devout Christian co-worker about whether Islam was a religion of peace. That co-worker was among the 14 killed. One wonders if the target changed, given the vast array of guns and explosives found.

That was my thought as well...after arguing with the coworker previously about Islam being a peaceful religion and possibly having more words with the coworker at the party, he lost it. With all the ammo, bombs, etc...left at the house, it certainly looks like there was something else planned.

 

[Willie Neslon]

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

Just saw on TV that the shooter got into a heated argument with a devout Christian co-worker about whether Islam was a religion of peace. That co-worker was among the 14 killed. One wonders if the target changed, given the vast array of guns and explosives found.

If these two people were terrorists, maybe not even assigned a mission, target, or timeframe yet, but were willing to sacrifice their grand plan over a petty argument with a coworker, it just adds fuel to the fire they got their freshman team working American soil.9/11 changed the way we live; that was the 1980 American Hockey Miracle on Ice for Muslism terrorism. This just reinforces that on a strategic level, they're back to the stone-age on American soil. The biggest threat terrorist groups are is most likely to our soldiers deployed to the countries they operate in.

Kind of an odd thing to say.

 

[Christo]

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

Just saw on TV that the shooter got into a heated argument with a devout Christian co-worker about whether Islam was a religion of peace. That co-worker was among the 14 killed. One wonders if the target changed, given the vast array of guns and explosives found.

The co-worker was a pro-Israel Jew.

He was a Messianic Jew

My cousin's husband is a converted Messianic Jew. Weer-doe.

 

[comfortably numb]

Dave Grohl had to learn to fly once he wasn't allowed to fly commercial

David Gilmore, still learning to fly for the same reason

Lenny Kravitz wants to fly away, yeah, yeah, yeah, and repeats himself over and over again at every gate in JFK...

Guys, these are so terrible. Please stop.

You guys are so petty...it's like you're learning to fly but ain't got wings

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Dave Grohl had to learn to fly once he wasn't allowed to fly commercial

David Gilmore, still learning to fly for the same reason

Lenny Kravitz wants to fly away, yeah, yeah, yeah, and repeats himself over and over again at every gate in JFK...

Guys, these are so terrible. Please stop.

You guys are so petty...it's like you're learning to fly but ain't got wings

I think their soul intention was learning to fly, condition grounded but determined to try.

 

[Joe T]

o/u on how long Tim stays in his own thread is set at 48 hours from right now.

 

[ffldrew]

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

Just saw on TV that the shooter got into a heated argument with a devout Christian co-worker about whether Islam was a religion of peace. That co-worker was among the 14 killed. One wonders if the target changed, given the vast array of guns and explosives found.

The co-worker was a pro-Israel Jew.

He was a Messianic Jew

My cousin's husband is a converted Messianic Jew. Weer-doe.

Converted Christian?

 

[Christo]

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

Just saw on TV that the shooter got into a heated argument with a devout Christian co-worker about whether Islam was a religion of peace. That co-worker was among the 14 killed. One wonders if the target changed, given the vast array of guns and explosives found.

The co-worker was a pro-Israel Jew.

He was a Messianic Jew

My cousin's husband is a converted Messianic Jew. Weer-doe.

Converted Christian?

Formerly some strain of Protestant.

 

[dickey moe]

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

Just saw on TV that the shooter got into a heated argument with a devout Christian co-worker about whether Islam was a religion of peace.

Not sure who won that argument.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

1. The targeted individuals were co-workers of the man. That's not very random. Okay, maybe I'm an extra 1% more vigilant about my coworkers behavior for the next couple weeks till I forget all about it.

Just saw on TV that the shooter got into a heated argument with a devout Christian co-worker about whether Islam was a religion of peace.

Not sure who won that argument.

Never argue about religion or politics with anyone face to face. It never ends well.