14 Killed in Shooting in San Bernardino (1 Viewer)

[Andy Dufresne]

I sure hope Obama doesn't day we're safe from dirty bombs or alien attack.

 

[the moops]

Glad to hear this thread has turned into "our president sucks" so quickly.

 

[ATC1]

Pledged loyalty to ISIS.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

Least surprising news ever

What is CNN doing? It goes against Obama's agenda. Gun control. Gun control would have prevented this. Back on task.

To be fair, gun control could make the ISIS problem a lot worse in the US. It would be hard for ISIS to get weapons from the middle east to the US if there were few guns here. Of course that's not something they need to worry with because it appears that half of the people in this country have armories in their basements for some reason.

Unless you have the ability to get rid of all guns in this country, increased background checks, limited round capacity mags, ban on assult weapons (old ones grandfathered in) will change nothing. California has some of the strictest gun control laws and apparently he got the weapon legally (still waiting on full confirmation). California requires a background check for private sales. If that was done, what else do you propose for gun control besides eliminating them?

How about if we try to expand background checks and try to prevent people on the terror watch list from purchasing firearms? Maybe it wouldn't have stopped this attack (although it's possible someone on the list purchased some of the weapons for him). But it could help prevent similar attacks in the future, or reduce the firepower available to the terrorist.

Oh, wait- we did try that. The Republicans voted it down last night.

I'll admit I know little about the process. What means, "The amendments were offered to an Obamacare repeal package currently being debated in the Senate"

The Manchin and Feinstein measures went down during a series of votes in which the Democratic proposals were paired with Republican counteroffers that also failed to be adopted by the Senate. All the amendments needed 60 votes to be adopted.

Imagine that no compromise. Everyone to their corners and buckel down.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Glad to hear this thread has turned into "our president sucks" so quickly.

Page 34, guy.

 

[squistion]

"pledged loyalty to ISIS"... makes for easy conclusion jumping.

but also from the same CNN article:

A law enforcement official said it appeared that Wednesday's attack -- which left 14 people dead and 21 wounded before the two attackers, Malik and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, were killed in a shootout with police -- may have been inspired by ISIS. But none of the officials said that ISIS directed or ordered the attack.

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"This is looking more and more like self-radicalization," a law enforcement official said.

Another official said authorities haven't ruled out that others may have influenced this radical view. In addition, the law enforcement source said investigators have a greater focus on whether the shooting occurred after a workplace issue with religion.

Indeed it does.

 

[Black Box]

Honestly, I am not sure there is anything we could have done to prevent this, given the information we have so far. They had no red flags...everyone who knows/worked with them have said the same thing. Communication with ISIS doesn't seem to have happened. The wife applied for a green card, and underwent all the requisite background checks for it, and passed. I am guessing that this is probably more stringent than any background checks required to purchase firearms, but regardless I assume that it is thorough. If they self-radicalized, that can't be caught, can it?

So unless we want to move into the uncomfortable territory of limiting rights that we enjoy, I think we have to just accept that things like this are a possibility in today's world.

ETA: I hope that I'm wrong.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Nifty: https://mobile.twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/672816318421319681

 

[Juxtatarot]

I wonder if he was ##### duped.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Pledged loyalty to ISIS.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

Least surprising news ever

What is CNN doing? It goes against Obama's agenda. Gun control. Gun control would have prevented this. Back on task.

To be fair, gun control could make the ISIS problem a lot worse in the US. It would be hard for ISIS to get weapons from the middle east to the US if there were few guns here. Of course that's not something they need to worry with because it appears that half of the people in this country have armories in their basements for some reason.

Unless you have the ability to get rid of all guns in this country, increased background checks, limited round capacity mags, ban on assult weapons (old ones grandfathered in) will change nothing. California has some of the strictest gun control laws and apparently he got the weapon legally (still waiting on full confirmation). California requires a background check for private sales. If that was done, what else do you propose for gun control besides eliminating them?

How about if we try to expand background checks and try to prevent people on the terror watch list from purchasing firearms? Maybe it wouldn't have stopped this attack (although it's possible someone on the list purchased some of the weapons for him). But it could help prevent similar attacks in the future, or reduce the firepower available to the terrorist.

Oh, wait- we did try that. The Republicans voted it down last night.

I'll admit I know little about the process. What means, "The amendments were offered to an Obamacare repeal package currently being debated in the Senate"

The Manchin and Feinstein measures went down during a series of votes in which the Democratic proposals were paired with Republican counteroffers that also failed to be adopted by the Senate. All the amendments needed 60 votes to be adopted.

Imagine that no compromise. Everyone to their corners and buckel down.

I'm not sure what the "pairing" references. Maybe it was just a reference to the way they were presented? I'm pretty sure each amendment received a vote. Here's the roll call on the terror watch list amendment.

A measure like this shouldn't be something that requires compromise. The public favors it 77%-18%. Even Republicans favor it 76%-20%. I can't recall seeing low-cost legislation with those kind of numbers get voted down before. This was about one thing and one thing only- NRA money.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Isn't inspired by ISIS acts worse than an actual plot and isn't this the next evolution of terrorism ISIS is actively trying to employ?

 

[Courtjester]

Glad to hear this thread has turned into "our president sucks" so quickly.

It's not that, it's just his timing on the statements were so terrible. He just needs to stop making sweeping statements concerning ISIS. They are a real threat to this country. I get that he's trying to calm people's fears, but these guys are so unpredictable there's no telling what they can do.I will say my biggest fear when it comes to terrorism, and I'm surprised we haven't seen it already in this country, is a car bomb. I mean it seems to be a daily occurrence in the Middle East with somebody setting off a car bomb. All it would take is a few of those going off in some major cities and that would create some real genuine fear in this country.

 

[ericttspikes]

Pledged loyalty to ISIS.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

Least surprising news ever

What is CNN doing? It goes against Obama's agenda. Gun control. Gun control would have prevented this. Back on task.

To be fair, gun control could make the ISIS problem a lot worse in the US. It would be hard for ISIS to get weapons from the middle east to the US if there were few guns here. Of course that's not something they need to worry with because it appears that half of the people in this country have armories in their basements for some reason.

Unless you have the ability to get rid of all guns in this country, increased background checks, limited round capacity mags, ban on assult weapons (old ones grandfathered in) will change nothing. California has some of the strictest gun control laws and apparently he got the weapon legally (still waiting on full confirmation). California requires a background check for private sales. If that was done, what else do you propose for gun control besides eliminating them?

How about if we try to expand background checks and try to prevent people on the terror watch list from purchasing firearms? Maybe it wouldn't have stopped this attack (although it's possible someone on the list purchased some of the weapons for him). But it could help prevent similar attacks in the future, or reduce the firepower available to the terrorist.

Oh, wait- we did try that. The Republicans voted it down last night.

I'll admit I know little about the process. What means, "The amendments were offered to an Obamacare repeal package currently being debated in the Senate"

The Manchin and Feinstein measures went down during a series of votes in which the Democratic proposals were paired with Republican counteroffers that also failed to be adopted by the Senate. All the amendments needed 60 votes to be adopted.

Imagine that no compromise. Everyone to their corners and buckel down.

I'm not sure what the "pairing" references. Maybe it was just a reference to the way they were presented? I'm pretty sure each amendment received a vote. Here's the roll call on the terror watch list amendment.

A measure like this shouldn't be something that requires compromise. The public favors it 77%-18%. Even Republicans favor it 76%-20%. I can't recall seeing low-cost legislation with those kind of numbers get voted down before. This was about one thing and one thing only- NRA money.

Amazing how powerful the NRA is with the R's. They are bought. Win for D's politically though. Probably already making the "Senator ________ voted to allow known terrorists the freedom to buy guns." ads.

 

[GrandpaRox]

Pledged loyalty to ISIS.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

Least surprising news ever

What is CNN doing? It goes against Obama's agenda. Gun control. Gun control would have prevented this. Back on task.

To be fair, gun control could make the ISIS problem a lot worse in the US. It would be hard for ISIS to get weapons from the middle east to the US if there were few guns here. Of course that's not something they need to worry with because it appears that half of the people in this country have armories in their basements for some reason.

Unless you have the ability to get rid of all guns in this country, increased background checks, limited round capacity mags, ban on assult weapons (old ones grandfathered in) will change nothing. California has some of the strictest gun control laws and apparently he got the weapon legally (still waiting on full confirmation). California requires a background check for private sales. If that was done, what else do you propose for gun control besides eliminating them?

How about if we try to expand background checks and try to prevent people on the terror watch list from purchasing firearms? Maybe it wouldn't have stopped this attack (although it's possible someone on the list purchased some of the weapons for him). But it could help prevent similar attacks in the future, or reduce the firepower available to the terrorist.

Oh, wait- we did try that. The Republicans voted it down last night.

So you think stricter gun control will keep radical Muslim terrorists from getting guns,

You are extremely simple minded and have tunnel vision.

 

[El Floppo]

Isn't inspired by ISIS acts worse than an actual plot and isn't this the next evolution of terrorism ISIS is actively trying to employ?

they're both bad.

but active plots carried out by bad guys outside the country and then perpetrated by bad guy converts in the country feels worse, IMO.

"inspired by isis" seems a lot like "inspired by columbine" to me. nut job with an axe to grind- kinda arbitrary... whatever the motive.

 

[[icon]]

Have a bad feeling there will be at least one of these if not more over the christmas/holiday week.

If I was inclined to pull this sort of ####... I would try to shoot/blow up a christmas tree lighting ceremony or christmas parade in anytown, USA. NYE at times square (and elsewhere) will be an obvious target for larger scale / more organized groups.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Pledged loyalty to ISIS.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

Least surprising news ever

I think we have our motive folks.

Done and done.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Nifty: https://mobile.twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/672816318421319681

Does anyone remember terrorists not using guns to kill large numbers of people in America?

Did that happen? Could swear there was one time...

 

[RBM]

This is weird, the apartment tour. The baby stuff was pretty sad. The toy they showed is sitting on my kids playroom floor right now.

 

[ericttspikes]

Glad to hear this thread has turned into "our president sucks" so quickly.

It's not that, it's just his timing on the statements were so terrible. He just needs to stop making sweeping statements concerning ISIS. They are a real threat to this country. I get that he's trying to calm people's fears, but these guys are so unpredictable there's no telling what they can do.I will say my biggest fear when it comes to terrorism, and I'm surprised we haven't seen it already in this country, is a car bomb. I mean it seems to be a daily occurrence in the Middle East with somebody setting off a car bomb. All it would take is a few of those going off in some major cities and that would create some real genuine fear in this country.

But that's the thing about terrorism, is that if you allow yourselves to be terrified they have achieved their motives. And there are politicians who very much want the fears stoked to achieve their goals. The world is a dangerous place. The US is a dangerous place. I'm not sure how much ratcheting up fear does anyone any good, except those who want to sell guns and lead us down a path to Fascism.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

"The fear that you have just mentioned is in fact my greatest fear as a prosecutor, as someone who is sworn to the protection of all of the American people, which is that the rhetoric will be accompanied by acts of violence," Lynch told a dinner hosted by a Muslim civil rights organization. "My message to not just the Muslim community but to the entire American community is: we cannot give in to the fear that these backlashes are really based on."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/12/lynch-warns-against-anti-muslim-backlash-216421#ixzz3tNGee8MJ

Our US Attorney General wants you to know that dozens of people getting mowed down by terrorists, is in fact not her greatest fear about San Bernardino.

Well, that's understandable.

eta - Losing the American ideal of never judging people by race, ethnicity, or religion is maybe her greatest fear, but oddly enough that's exactly why ISIS is at war with us.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Nifty: https://mobile.twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/672816318421319681

Does anyone remember terrorists not using guns to kill large numbers of people in America?

Did that happen? Could swear there was one time...

Granted, guns haven't typically been the weapons of choice for terrorists. The recent attacks in Paris may signal a shift. Particularly for the lone wolf or ISIS/AQ "inspired" type attackers.ETA- we didn't exactly sit on our hands and claim there was nothing we could do when they exploited a weakness in our air travel system.

 

[pantagrapher]

So apparently the landlord let TV news folks into the suspects' apartment and they're just walking around rifling through stuff on air right now.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Well, the good news is that Obama does not have the deflect a "rationale" comment from his staff.

Yet.

 

[pantagrapher]

This is weird, the apartment tour. The baby stuff was pretty sad. The toy they showed is sitting on my kids playroom floor right now.

Yeah wtf. How is this stuff not all in an evidence warehouse somewhere?

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

They are having an open house now in the killers' home? This is bizzare.

Looks like they are getting some good shots of the spatula on the stove!!!

 

[pantagrapher]

Apparently newspaper reporters, shocked at what they're seeing, called the FBI to ask if the apartment is open to the media and were told no, that it's still an active investigation site.

Excellent work, everyone.

 

[Bucky86]

Apparently newspaper reporters, shocked at what they're seeing, called the FBI to ask if the apartment is open to the media and were told no, that it's still an active investigation site.

Excellent work, everyone.

How do you not have one cop posted out front telling people to stay out?

 

[pantagrapher]

CNN analyst on CNN while CNN guy goes through apartment: "I can't believe what I'm seeing. This is clearly all evidence."

 

[Ladsud]

Apparently newspaper reporters, shocked at what they're seeing, called the FBI to ask if the apartment is open to the media and were told no, that it's still an active investigation site.

Excellent work, everyone.

Jesus that landlord is a moron.

You mean the FBI is collectively morons. How do you not have two agents sitting outside drinking coffee?

 

[Doug B]

Isn't inspired by ISIS acts worse than an actual plot and isn't this the next evolution of terrorism ISIS is actively trying to employ?

That ship has sailed -- as far as I'm aware, the bulk of terrorist activity since 9/11 has not been centrally planned and delegated down to agents of a traceable enemy.

 

[squistion]

"The fear that you have just mentioned is in fact my greatest fear as a prosecutor, as someone who is sworn to the protection of all of the American people, which is that the rhetoric will be accompanied by acts of violence," Lynch told a dinner hosted by a Muslim civil rights organization. "My message to not just the Muslim community but to the entire American community is: we cannot give in to the fear that these backlashes are really based on."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/12/lynch-warns-against-anti-muslim-backlash-216421#ixzz3tNGee8MJ

Our US Attorney General wants you to know that dozens of people getting mowed down by terrorists, is in fact not her greatest fear about San Bernardino.

Well, that's understandable.

eta - Losing the American ideal of never judging people by race, ethnicity, or religion is maybe her greatest fear, but oddly enough that's exactly why ISIS is at war with us.

She was talking about her greatest fear "as a prosecutor" and per the article she did not address the San Bernardino mass shooting.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This is weird, the apartment tour. The baby stuff was pretty sad. The toy they showed is sitting on my kids playroom floor right now.

Yeah wtf. How is this stuff not all in an evidence warehouse somewhere?

Because they don't need Teddy Bears and treadmills laying around police warehouses? FBI did the house search, they got everything they needed. Plus people are always #####ing about forfeiture methods, anything taken from that house is considered evidence and is now a law enforcement responsibility. Taking anything that doesn't have to do directly with the case is both irresponsible and inefficient.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Glad to hear this thread has turned into "our president sucks" so quickly.

It's not that, it's just his timing on the statements were so terrible. He just needs to stop making sweeping statements concerning ISIS. They are a real threat to this country. I get that he's trying to calm people's fears, but these guys are so unpredictable there's no telling what they can do.I will say my biggest fear when it comes to terrorism, and I'm surprised we haven't seen it already in this country, is a car bomb. I mean it seems to be a daily occurrence in the Middle East with somebody setting off a car bomb. All it would take is a few of those going off in some major cities and that would create some real genuine fear in this country.

But that's the thing about terrorism, is that if you allow yourselves to be terrified they have achieved their motives. And there are politicians who very much want the fears stoked to achieve their goals. The world is a dangerous place. The US is a dangerous place. I'm not sure how much ratcheting up fear does anyone any good, except those who want to sell guns and lead us down a path to Fascism.

Best post I've read in a thread on terrorism or an incident in a long time.

"Don't let the terrorists win" is such a simple message but it still can't be repeated enough. This case is unusual, but generally speaking, killing people isn't the end goal of terrorists, it's a means to an end. Don't let them achieve that end.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Nifty: https://mobile.twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/672816318421319681

Does anyone remember terrorists not using guns to kill large numbers of people in America?

Did that happen? Could swear there was one time...

Granted, guns haven't typically been the weapons of choice for terrorists. The recent attacks in Paris may signal a shift. Particularly for the lone wolf or ISIS/AQ "inspired" type attackers.ETA- we didn't exactly sit on our hands and claim there was nothing we could do when they exploited a weakness in our air travel system.

Look, I am open minded to the gun debate. I get too academic about it. We have had several multiple shootings here, like 10-20 at a time, here. No one gives a damn nationally. No presidential words, no message board threads, nothing. But it is a big deal.

I don't think our gun control measures will do one thing to help stop ISIS or AQ or any of their little sick splinter groups from attacking and harming us. The TSA was a security measure based on screening every single person who gets on a plane. We obviously don't want that (or NSA data collection which I've largely been against on 4th amendment grounds...) but obviously that's the kind of thing at issue here.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

It is pretty bizarre though but welcome to 2015 reality TV mentality.

 

[pantagrapher]

Apparently newspaper reporters, shocked at what they're seeing, called the FBI to ask if the apartment is open to the media and were told no, that it's still an active investigation site.

Excellent work, everyone.

Jesus that landlord is a moron.

You mean the FBI is collectively morons. How do you not have two agents sitting outside drinking coffee?

Unreal. You have idiots tromping through the apartment touching stuff with their bare hands on live television.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

"The fear that you have just mentioned is in fact my greatest fear as a prosecutor, as someone who is sworn to the protection of all of the American people, which is that the rhetoric will be accompanied by acts of violence," Lynch told a dinner hosted by a Muslim civil rights organization. "My message to not just the Muslim community but to the entire American community is: we cannot give in to the fear that these backlashes are really based on."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/12/lynch-warns-against-anti-muslim-backlash-216421#ixzz3tNGee8MJ

Our US Attorney General wants you to know that dozens of people getting mowed down by terrorists, is in fact not her greatest fear about San Bernardino.

Well, that's understandable.

eta - Losing the American ideal of never judging people by race, ethnicity, or religion is maybe her greatest fear, but oddly enough that's exactly why ISIS is at war with us.

She was talking about her greatest fear "as a prosecutor" and per the article she did not address the San Bernardino mass shooting.

She did mention Paris though. So Lynch spoke at a muslim civil rights organization meeting right after San Bernadino and spoke of Paris and backlash against muslims but in no way was she in any suggesting there could be backlash from the SB attacks. Ok.

Btw, why would she mention Paris but not San Bernardino?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Apparently newspaper reporters, shocked at what they're seeing, called the FBI to ask if the apartment is open to the media and were told no, that it's still an active investigation site.

Excellent work, everyone.

Jesus that landlord is a moron.

You mean the FBI is collectively morons. How do you not have two agents sitting outside drinking coffee?

Unreal. You have idiots tromping through the apartment touching stuff with their bare hands on live television.

I agree. This is really outrageous. Unbelievable.

 

[pantagrapher]

This is weird, the apartment tour. The baby stuff was pretty sad. The toy they showed is sitting on my kids playroom floor right now.

Yeah wtf. How is this stuff not all in an evidence warehouse somewhere?

Because they don't need Teddy Bears and treadmills laying around police warehouses? FBI did the house search, they got everything they needed. Plus people are always #####ing about forfeiture methods, anything taken from that house is considered evidence and is now a law enforcement responsibility. Taking anything that doesn't have to do directly with the case is both irresponsible and inefficient.

If it's true that a lot of people were coming and going at the apartment in recent weeks, don't they have to preserve these items meticulously for like fingerprints and DNA? I'm no expert, but I do watch Forensic Files.

 

[pantagrapher]

Guy sitting next to that CNN analyst tweeted: "Am sat next to him. CNN's Harry Houck's hands are shaking watching a crime scene contamination on live television."

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Apparently newspaper reporters, shocked at what they're seeing, called the FBI to ask if the apartment is open to the media and were told no, that it's still an active investigation site.

Excellent work, everyone.

Jesus that landlord is a moron.

You mean the FBI is collectively morons. How do you not have two agents sitting outside drinking coffee?

Unreal. You have idiots tromping through the apartment touching stuff with their bare hands on live television.

I agree. This is really outrageous. Unbelievable.

I'm outraged that you're outraged. What are you guys expecting? A bubble be placed over the house? Landowner was not the culprit and has rights. FBI did the search and seizure, got what they needed, and turned the hoyse back over to the owner. There is nothing there worth anything of value to the case.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Nifty: https://mobile.twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/672816318421319681

Does anyone remember terrorists not using guns to kill large numbers of people in America?

Did that happen? Could swear there was one time...

Granted, guns haven't typically been the weapons of choice for terrorists. The recent attacks in Paris may signal a shift. Particularly for the lone wolf or ISIS/AQ "inspired" type attackers.ETA- we didn't exactly sit on our hands and claim there was nothing we could do when they exploited a weakness in our air travel system.

Look, I am open minded to the gun debate. I get too academic about it. We have had several multiple shootings here, like 10-20 at a time, here. No one gives a damn nationally. No presidential words, no message board threads, nothing. But it is a big deal.

I don't think our gun control measures will do one thing to help stop ISIS or AQ or any of their little sick splinter groups from attacking and harming us. The TSA was a security measure based on screening every single person who gets on a plane. We obviously don't want that (or NSA data collection which I've largely been against on 4th amendment grounds...) but obviously that's the kind of thing at issue here.

I consider myself a moderate on gun issues. I've posted this in the gun control threads but I actually worked at the NRA around the time of Waco and the "Jackbooted Thugs" fiasco. Was an interesting time. The problem is that I find it increasingly hard to be a moderate, as the NRA ILA (which is the lobbying arm) has basically taken an intransigent position against ANY legislation that can be interpreted as curtailing access. This has gotten worse over the last 20 years since I left and is out of step with even what the rank and file members typically want.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This is weird, the apartment tour. The baby stuff was pretty sad. The toy they showed is sitting on my kids playroom floor right now.

Yeah wtf. How is this stuff not all in an evidence warehouse somewhere?

Because they don't need Teddy Bears and treadmills laying around police warehouses? FBI did the house search, they got everything they needed. Plus people are always #####ing about forfeiture methods, anything taken from that house is considered evidence and is now a law enforcement responsibility. Taking anything that doesn't have to do directly with the case is both irresponsible and inefficient.

If it's true that a lot of people were coming and going at the apartment in recent weeks, don't they have to preserve these items meticulously for like fingerprints and DNA? I'm no expert, but I do watch Forensic Files.

You know how 5 wolves can strip a cow to the bone in three hours? 20 federal agents can process the most complex crime scenes in 24 hours with ease.

 

[Willie Neslon]

BREAK IN NEWS

 

[pantagrapher]

Apparently newspaper reporters, shocked at what they're seeing, called the FBI to ask if the apartment is open to the media and were told no, that it's still an active investigation site.

Excellent work, everyone.

Jesus that landlord is a moron.

You mean the FBI is collectively morons. How do you not have two agents sitting outside drinking coffee?

Unreal. You have idiots tromping through the apartment touching stuff with their bare hands on live television.

I agree. This is really outrageous. Unbelievable.

I'm outraged that you're outraged. What are you guys expecting? A bubble be placed over the house? Landowner was not the culprit and has rights. FBI did the search and seizure, got what they needed, and turned the hoyse back over to the owner. There is nothing there worth anything of value to the case.

From what I've read, FBI and Sheriff's office have both told reporters it's a live crime scene and media has not been cleared to enter.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Isn't inspired by ISIS acts worse than an actual plot and isn't this the next evolution of terrorism ISIS is actively trying to employ?

That ship has sailed -- as far as I'm aware, the bulk of terrorist activity since 9/11 has not been centrally planned and delegated down to agents of a traceable enemy.

then why would anyone think it is important to make the distinction that this Islamic terrorist act was ISIS inspired?

 

[pantagrapher]

Apparently another FBI spokesman says they're done with the place, so maybe DD is right.

 

[Sand]

I really don't think the U.S. is all that dangerous. We don't all work in coal mines or die from diphtheria.

The US has seen a dramatic drop on gun violence over the past decade or so, from 7/100k in 1993 to 3.6/100k now. So yes, the US is much safer than it has been - that curve continues to go down. (If you compare to the 70s we're hugely safer - horrible numbers back then). And this is with more gun ownership in the US. Really the only place we seem to be less safe is in gun free zones.

 

[squistion]

"The fear that you have just mentioned is in fact my greatest fear as a prosecutor, as someone who is sworn to the protection of all of the American people, which is that the rhetoric will be accompanied by acts of violence," Lynch told a dinner hosted by a Muslim civil rights organization. "My message to not just the Muslim community but to the entire American community is: we cannot give in to the fear that these backlashes are really based on."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/12/lynch-warns-against-anti-muslim-backlash-216421#ixzz3tNGee8MJ

Our US Attorney General wants you to know that dozens of people getting mowed down by terrorists, is in fact not her greatest fear about San Bernardino.

Well, that's understandable.

eta - Losing the American ideal of never judging people by race, ethnicity, or religion is maybe her greatest fear, but oddly enough that's exactly why ISIS is at war with us.

She was talking about her greatest fear "as a prosecutor" and per the article she did not address the San Bernardino mass shooting.

She did mention Paris though. So Lynch spoke at a muslim civil rights organization meeting right after San Bernadino and spoke of Paris and backlash against muslims but in no way was she in any suggesting there could be backlash from the SB attacks. Ok.

Btw, why would she mention Paris but not San Bernardino?

At that point in time, they were just starting to look into the background of the shooters. I don't think she officially wanted to draw any conclusions right then as the FBI was still sorting out a motive.

 

[belljr]

So apparently the landlord let TV news folks into the suspects' apartment and they're just walking around rifling through stuff on air right now.

WHY!@#!@#!@#!#@

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FASCINATION