14 Killed in Shooting in San Bernardino (1 Viewer)

[beer 30]

Nope. Again, I am not suggesting we can cure the plague the moneyed interests behind the NRA have unleashed on this country to the applause of millions. The NRA and their supporters have won. All we can do at this point is craft desperate plans to limit the damage.

Alrighty then

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Nope. Again, I am not suggesting we can cure the plague the moneyed interests behind the NRA have unleashed on this country to the applause of millions. The NRA and their supporters have won. All we can do at this point is craft desperate plans to limit the damage.

Alrighty then

The thread had already jumped the shark by then, but that was like Fonzie's long lost twin jumping the shark from the opposite direction of Fonzie. Maybe have a dragon fly in-between them as they in mid air.

 

[3C's]

We need a jumped the shark emoticon

I've pulled a few strings and....

http://orig10.deviantart.net/9248/f/2010/176/1/b/jumping_the_shark_by_mirz123.gif

Boom

Need to start an online drive and/or petition to have that crappy shark replaced by this one.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

EXCLUSIVE: Shooting targets, GoPro packaging, hammer and 'vise grips' found by FBI in car belonging to San Bernardino shooter's MOTHER

• Car registered to Rafia Farook was searched by FBI agents after her son and daughter-in-law massacred 14 last Wednesday
• She lived in same house as where the couple amassed thousands of rounds of ammo and built pipe bombs
• FBI agents raided Lexus registered in her name and seized list of items, including packaging for GoPro
• Unclear what happened to camera as law enforcement say one was not used in course of mass murderers by ISIS-inspired husband and wife
• Rafia Farook has not been charged but attorney-general has said her possible knowledge or involvement is being looked at 'very closely'
• The family's lawyer says mother did not know her son was planning atrocity

FBI agents found an empty GoPro package, shooting targets and tools inside a car belonging to the mother of San Bernardino mass shooter Syed Farook, Daily Mail Online can reveal.

Authorities have repeatedly denied rumors that Farook, 28, and his wife Tashfeen Malik, 27, strapped recording devices to their body armor as they stormed the Inland Regional Center, slaughtering 14 people and wounding 21.

However Daily Mail Online has a discovered that an empty GoPro box was one of dozens of items seized from a black Lexus IS300 in the wake of last Wednesday's massacre.

Documents confirm the car was insured by Farook's 62-year-old mother Rafia, who lived in the same home in Redlands, California, where he and Malik built pipe bombs and stored thousands of rounds of ammunition.


The discovery adds a chilling new dimension to the ongoing FBI investigation as helmet-mounted GoPros have been used by ISIS fanatics before to capture dramatic footage for online recruitment videos.

One such clip circulated by the terror network in June revealed the final moments of a Jihadi 'martyr' before he was shot dead by an Iraqi soldier.

The four-door sedan was located just a few minutes’ walk from the Farooks' apartment as FBI agents stormed the property last Wednesday afternoon to search for guns and explosives.

They smashed the driver's window to gain access before carrying out a pain-staking forensic examination and seizing a trove of potential evidence including paperwork, targets and tools.

An inventory left behind on the front seat read: 'Apple iPhone, multi-tool, key, business card, miscellaneous indicia, bank receipt, shooting targets, hammer, vice grips, U-Haul receipt, tire receipt, notebook, garment, GoPro packaging, vacuumings, legal documents'.

Syed Farook is also listed on insurance documents as a named driver but it is now known whether he or his mother drove the 2005 vehicle more, or who the GoPro and the items found inside belonged to.

Before embarking on last week’s mass shooting, he and Malik left their six-month-old daughter at home with Rafia, saying they had to go to a doctor's appointment.

Hours after the ensuing slaughter, cops pulled Rafia her over in her other son's SUV and held her for questioning.

She was released early the next day without charge and has not been spotted by the media since, while the vehicle was kept for further investigation.

Speaking on NBC's Meet the Press Sunday, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said the FBI was examining what Rafia knew about her son's plans and his massive weapons hoard.

'Obviously it's something that we're looking at very, very closely,' Lynch confirmed.

The family's lawyer David Chesley told CNN last night that Mrs Farook did not know her son was planning a massacre.

Rafi Farook divorced Syed Farook's father, also named Syed Farook, 67, in 2006 claiming in court papers that her husband of 24 years had been physically and verbally abusive.

Lawyers representing her and her three other children, Syed Raheel, Eba, 24, and Saira, 32, insist they had no inkling that two of their loved-ones were about to launch the worst terror attack on US soil since the 2009 Fort Hood shooting.

However the older Syed Farook later told the Italian newspaper La Stampa that he was aware of his son’s extremist leanings, his hatred of Israel and his declaration that ‘Islam will rule the world’.

Mr Farook despaired at the choice his son had made and questioned why with a stable income, a new baby daughter and a seemingly happy marriage and life he appears to have become radicalized into following ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

'He said he shared the ideology of Al Baghdadi to create an Islamic state, and it was fixed with Israel,' said Mr Farook.

GoPro footage was also a chilling feature of the fatal shooting live on air of two journalists in Roanoke, Virginia, in August.

TV reporter Vester Lee Flanagan attached a camera to himself before gunning down 24-year-old Alison Parker and her cameraman Adam Ward, 27, at close range.

Flanagan posted the first-person footage onto social media as a blood-curdling final dispatch before escaping the scene and killing himself.

...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3350280/Shooting-targets-GoPro-packaging-hammer-Syed-Farook-s-mother-s-car.html#ixzz3tkiDpv4q


- As posted above this is the same woman who is allegedly a member of ICNA.

And if you check out the picture in the link she looks pretty young. Personally I had been imagining some older, maybe even elderly immigrant with little awareness. She looks pretty young and with it to me.

Also it's an interesting detail that apparently ISIS has previously videoed assaults with helmet-cams.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Pretty good read, including why the 2nd Amendment isn't the problem when it comes to gun control:

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/5/9454161/gun-violence-solution

 

[[icon]]

I'm seriously thinking of buying an AK 47 with this years fantasy football winnings before the Democrats ban AK 47s and fantasy football.

Go M92 then convert to SBR imo

 

[Clifford]

Pretty good read, including why the 2nd Amendment isn't the problem when it comes to gun control:

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/5/9454161/gun-violence-solution

Yep, like I said the US has already given away its way of life to guns and gun ownership. All we can do now is try and limit the damage. And there are several examples of common-sense measures that have done that in the article:

• After Connecticut passed a law requiring gun purchasers to first obtain a license, gun homicides fell by 40 percent and suicides fell by 15.4 percent.
• When Missouri repealed a similar law, gun homicides increased by 23 percent and suicides increased by 16.1 percent.
• Both firearm homicides and overall homicides are lower in states that check for restraining orders (13 percent fewer firearm homicides) and fugitive status (21 percent fewer) before selling guns, and firearm/overall suicides are lower in states that check for fugitive status (5 percent fewer), misdemeanors (5 percent fewer), and mental illness (4 percent fewer).

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

San Bernardino Is 75th Terror Plot in US Since 2001. Here’s an Interactive Timeline.

 

[Harry Manback]

How could anyone be a Sandy Hook "truther?" I'm not sure I can fully grasp that mindset, or how anyone could logically come to that conclusion. These people believe Sandy Hook didn't happen at all? Maybe they should talk to the dead kid's parents?

I have a friend I've known for a long time. Recently, he's been brainwashed with this ####.

9/11 - Govt conspiracy to wage war on Iraq for oil, they took down the towers themselves

Chemtrails (Contrails) - Global conspiracy to poison the world, headed by Monsanto

Sandy Hook - Govt conspiracy to take away our guns

I like him, I do. I just can no longer discuss anything even borderline related to these topics or politics.

 

[jonessed]

The murder rate in the US has fallen nearly 50% since the mid-90s. With all of the rhetoric you would think the complete opposite was true.

 

[[icon]]

The murder rate in the US has fallen nearly 50% since the mid-90s. With all of the rhetoric you would think the complete opposite was true.

GUNS ARE MOWING PEOPLE DOWN EVERYWHERE! IT'S MAYHEM!!!1!!

 

[Donkey Derp]

The murder rate in the US has fallen nearly 50% since the mid-90s. With all of the rhetoric you would think the complete opposite was true.

I think it has to do more with the increased or perceived increase in random shootings. Five people killed by a random nut-job is scarier to me than 10 people killed by gang violence in a city I am very unlikely to ever go to.

 

[Christo]

The murder rate in the US has fallen nearly 50% since the mid-90s. With all of the rhetoric you would think the complete opposite was true.

I think it has to do more with the increased or perceived increase in random shootings. Five people killed by a random nut-job is scarier to me than 10 people killed by gang violence in a city I am very unlikely to ever go to.

As far as I'm concerned, the gang violence in Chicago might as well be in the Middle East. Chiraq, indeed.

 

[belljr]

The murder rate in the US has fallen nearly 50% since the mid-90s. With all of the rhetoric you would think the complete opposite was true.

I think it has to do more with the increased or perceived increase in random shootings. Five people killed by a random nut-job is scarier to me than 10 people killed by gang violence in a city I am very unlikely to ever go to.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

San Bernardino shooting planned a year in advance: reportLast week's mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., that killed 14 was reportedly planned up to a year in advance.

The suspected killers began practicing with guns and making financial preparations in 2014, according to NBC News.


Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik began honing their firearms skills last year at a shooting range in Riverside, Calif., NBC said, citing two sources.Couterterrorism officials said the pair began making monetary savings for their child and Farook’s mother during the same period.

“[They wanted to] take care of both Grandma and the baby,” one official told NBC News, referencing the couple’s six-month old daughter and Rafia Farook, 62.

“They had purposely thought through that problem,” they continued. "[some transactions] would be consistent with them making preparations for grandma and the kid.”

“There were other indications of preparation,” the official added, not specifying further details.

Farook and Malik left their child with Rafia Farook at their home in Redlands, Calif., the morning of Dec. 2, according to NBC News.

They are then accused of opening fire on the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, killing 14 and wounding 21. Police killed the duo during an shootout in Redlands, Calif., later that day.

Reports emerged Tuesday that Syed Farook received a $28,500 bank deposit from WebBank.com two weeks before the massacre. At least three subsequent transfers of $5,000 apiece went to Rafia Farook before the attack.

The FBI is now investigating the incident for potential ties with terrorist organizations including the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/262552-report-calif-shooting-planned-a-year-in-advance

 

[tdoss]

San Bernardino shooting planned a year in advance: reportLast week's mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., that killed 14 was reportedly planned up to a year in advance.

The suspected killers began practicing with guns and making financial preparations in 2014, according to NBC News.


Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik began honing their firearms skills last year at a shooting range in Riverside, Calif., NBC said, citing two sources.Couterterrorism officials said the pair began making monetary savings for their child and Farook’s mother during the same period.

“[They wanted to] take care of both Grandma and the baby,” one official told NBC News, referencing the couple’s six-month old daughter and Rafia Farook, 62.

“They had purposely thought through that problem,” they continued. "[some transactions] would be consistent with them making preparations for grandma and the kid.”

“There were other indications of preparation,” the official added, not specifying further details.

Farook and Malik left their child with Rafia Farook at their home in Redlands, Calif., the morning of Dec. 2, according to NBC News.

They are then accused of opening fire on the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, killing 14 and wounding 21. Police killed the duo during an shootout in Redlands, Calif., later that day.

Reports emerged Tuesday that Syed Farook received a $28,500 bank deposit from WebBank.com two weeks before the massacre. At least three subsequent transfers of $5,000 apiece went to Rafia Farook before the attack.

The FBI is now investigating the incident for potential ties with terrorist organizations including the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/262552-report-calif-shooting-planned-a-year-in-advance

That's a long time to plan some workplace violence.

 

[Statorama]

I'm seriously thinking of buying an AK 47 with this years fantasy football winnings before the Democrats ban AK 47s and fantasy football.

There is no greater gun salesman in the world than Barack Obama.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

San Bernardino shooting planned a year in advance: reportLast week's mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., that killed 14 was reportedly planned up to a year in advance.

The suspected killers began practicing with guns and making financial preparations in 2014, according to NBC News.


Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik began honing their firearms skills last year at a shooting range in Riverside, Calif., NBC said, citing two sources.Couterterrorism officials said the pair began making monetary savings for their child and Farook’s mother during the same period.

“[They wanted to] take care of both Grandma and the baby,” one official told NBC News, referencing the couple’s six-month old daughter and Rafia Farook, 62.

“They had purposely thought through that problem,” they continued. "[some transactions] would be consistent with them making preparations for grandma and the kid.”

“There were other indications of preparation,” the official added, not specifying further details.

Farook and Malik left their child with Rafia Farook at their home in Redlands, Calif., the morning of Dec. 2, according to NBC News.

They are then accused of opening fire on the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, killing 14 and wounding 21. Police killed the duo during an shootout in Redlands, Calif., later that day.

Reports emerged Tuesday that Syed Farook received a $28,500 bank deposit from WebBank.com two weeks before the massacre. At least three subsequent transfers of $5,000 apiece went to Rafia Farook before the attack.

The FBI is now investigating the incident for potential ties with terrorist organizations including the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/262552-report-calif-shooting-planned-a-year-in-advance

That's a long time to plan some workplace violence.

Yep.

 

[jon_mx]

San Bernardino shooting planned a year in advance: reportLast week's mass shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., that killed 14 was reportedly planned up to a year in advance.

The suspected killers began practicing with guns and making financial preparations in 2014, according to NBC News.


Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik began honing their firearms skills last year at a shooting range in Riverside, Calif., NBC said, citing two sources.Couterterrorism officials said the pair began making monetary savings for their child and Farook’s mother during the same period.

“[They wanted to] take care of both Grandma and the baby,” one official told NBC News, referencing the couple’s six-month old daughter and Rafia Farook, 62.

“They had purposely thought through that problem,” they continued. "[some transactions] would be consistent with them making preparations for grandma and the kid.”

“There were other indications of preparation,” the official added, not specifying further details.

Farook and Malik left their child with Rafia Farook at their home in Redlands, Calif., the morning of Dec. 2, according to NBC News.

They are then accused of opening fire on the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, killing 14 and wounding 21. Police killed the duo during an shootout in Redlands, Calif., later that day.

Reports emerged Tuesday that Syed Farook received a $28,500 bank deposit from WebBank.com two weeks before the massacre. At least three subsequent transfers of $5,000 apiece went to Rafia Farook before the attack.

The FBI is now investigating the incident for potential ties with terrorist organizations including the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/262552-report-calif-shooting-planned-a-year-in-advance

Our president said there was no proof of this.

 

[Jayrod]

Pretty good read, including why the 2nd Amendment isn't the problem when it comes to gun control:

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/5/9454161/gun-violence-solution

Yep, like I said the US has already given away its way of life to guns and gun ownership. All we can do now is try and limit the damage. And there are several examples of common-sense measures that have done that in the article:

• After Connecticut passed a law requiring gun purchasers to first obtain a license, gun homicides fell by 40 percent and suicides fell by 15.4 percent.
• When Missouri repealed a similar law, gun homicides increased by 23 percent and suicides increased by 16.1 percent.
• Both firearm homicides and overall homicides are lower in states that check for restraining orders (13 percent fewer firearm homicides) and fugitive status (21 percent fewer) before selling guns, and firearm/overall suicides are lower in states that check for fugitive status (5 percent fewer), misdemeanors (5 percent fewer), and mental illness (4 percent fewer).

Last I checked, gun ownership has been around as long as our country has. There isn't some change that has happened. The way of life in the US has ALWAYS included guns.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

FBI: San Bernardino shooters radicalized before datingSAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (KABC) --
San Bernardino shooters Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik were both radicalized before they met online and started dating, FBI Director James Comey said Wednesday during testimony on Capitol Hill.

Comey said they were talking about jihad and martyrdom before they became engaged and started living together, which means they were radicalized as early as the end of 2013. The couple wed last year.

U.S. officials previously said that Farook, a U.S. citizen originally from Chicago, traveled to Saudi Arabia in July 2014 and returned less than two weeks later with Malik in tow. Malik arrived in the U.S. on a Pakistani passport and a fiancee visa.

Comey said the couple was inspired by foreign terror organizations.

"We're working very hard to understand exactly their association and the source of their inspiration," Comey said. "We're also working very hard to understand whether there was anybody else involved with assisting them, with supporting them, with equipping them. And we're working very, very hard to understand, did they have other plans? Either for that day or earlier, and that work continues."

...

Meanwhile, Farook's mother has been placed on the FBI's terrorist watch list. His 66-year-old father was placed on that list two days ago. Authorities say this is a precautionary measure to make sure Farook's parents don't leave the country.

Federal investigators are also trying to determine a money trail for funding of the San Bernardino mass shooting. About $28,000 was deposited into Farook's account shortly before he and his wife carried out the attack on Dec. 2. The money could have possibly come from an online lending company, authorities said.

Farook's former neighbor, Enrique Marquez, may face criminal gun charges. Federal authorities believe Marquez purchased two of the four weapons used in the attack because Farook didn't want his name on file in connection with the assault rifles.

Marquez has since checked himself into a mental facility.

Two buildings at the Inland Regional Center will remain shut down until 2016. Building 3, which is where the mass shooting took place, has been closed indefinitely.

http://abc7.com/news/fbi-san-bernardino-shooters-radicalized-before-dating/1115673/

 

[saintfool]

Meanwhile, Farook's mother has been placed on the FBI's terrorist watch list. His 66-year-old father was placed on that list two days ago. Authorities say this is a precautionary measure to make sure Farook's parents don't leave the country.

http://abc7.com/news/fbi-san-bernardino-shooters-radicalized-before-dating/1115673/

luckily for them, they can still buy guns despite being on a terrorist watch list...

 

[Sand]

Meanwhile, Farook's mother has been placed on the FBI's terrorist watch list. His 66-year-old father was placed on that list two days ago. Authorities say this is a precautionary measure to make sure Farook's parents don't leave the country.

http://abc7.com/news/fbi-san-bernardino-shooters-radicalized-before-dating/1115673/

luckily for them, they can still buy guns despite being on a terrorist watch list...

If it weren't for the ACLU...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

San Bernardino attackers talked ‘about jihad and martyrdom’ in 2013The attackers who killed 14 people in San Bernardino last week were discussing jihad at least two years before they opened fire in California, the FBI director said Wednesday.

The husband-and-wife duo “were radicalized for quite a long time before their attack,” FBI Director James B. Comey said during an appearance on Capitol Hill. This follows earlier statements by investigators that the shooters had both been adherents to a radical strain of Islam long before the massacre.

Syed Rizwan Farook, a 28-year-old county health inspector, and his Pakistani wife, Tashfeen Malik, 29, had begun communicating online, Comey said. It was during these communications that they began discussing jihadist thoughts, long before Malik traveled to the United States and they got married.

“And online…as early as the end as 2013, they were talking to each other about jihad and martyrdom before they became engaged and then married and lived together in the United States,” Comey said during his testimony in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/12/09/san-bernardino-attackers-talked-about-jihad-and-martyrdom-in-2013/?postshare=8761449685708308&tid=ss_tw

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

California Killers Talked Jihad In Online DatesA couple who massacred 14 people at a California holiday party were discussing martyrdom with each other online before they even met in person, the FBI's director has said.

Syed Farook and his Pakistani wife, Tashfeen Malik, were communicating about jihad via the internet months before she travelled to the US, according to James Comey.

"Online, as early as the end as 2013, they were talking to each other about jihad and martyrdom before they became engaged and then married and lived together in the United States," the FBI chief told a Senate hearing.

Mr Comey also said the couple had been radicalised even before they began their online courtship.

He told lawmakers investigators were looking into whether the couple - who died in a shootout with police after the San Bernardino attack - had their wedding arranged by a militant group.

"It would be a very, very important thing to know," said Mr Comey.

The FBI chief added that investigators believe the attackers were "inspired by foreign terrorist organisations".

Lawmakers said the disclosure raised questions about how the US government's visa vetting failed to detect Malik's extremist beliefs.

The judiciary committee's Republican chairman, Charles Grassley, said the shootings had shown President Barack Obama to be "spectacularly wrong" about the security of the process.

"Our government apparently didn't catch the false address in Pakistan that she listed on her application," Senator Grassley said.

Malik came to the US in July 2014 after being granted a K-1 fiancee visa and married Chicago-born Farook the following month.

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson has said the Obama administration is now reviewing the visa programme.

A US government source familiar with the investigation told Reuters that Farook, a county health inspector, may have been plotting an attack on a US target as early as 2011.

It has also emerged that the couple borrowed around $28,000 from an online lender two weeks before the attack.

He is believed to have converted $10,000 of the unsecured loan into cash.

A man said by investigators to have bought the two assault rifles used in the attack was related to Farook's family by marriage.

Enrique Marquez, whose home was raided at the weekend, is being questioned by federal investigators.

He married Mariya Chernykh last year, whose sister is married to Farook's older brother Raheel.

Law enforcement officials have said Marquez checked himself into a Los Angeles-area psychiatric facility after the shooting.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/california-killers-talked-jihad-online-dates-200222073.html#GmEVTaD

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In an odd twist Marquez (the neighbor who bought the guns) and Farooq's brother both married native Russian women. And apparently they are related.

 

[Jobber]

In an odd twist Marquez (the neighbor who bought the guns) and Farooq's brother both married native Russian women. And apparently they are related.

Well, I hope this Marquez guy gets proper f***** for life.

 

[tdoss]

Sounds like a lot of outside influences went into this "self-radicalized" terrorist...I mean, workplace violent person.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In an odd twist Marquez (the neighbor who bought the guns) and Farooq's brother both married native Russian women. And apparently they are related.

Well, I hope this Marquez guy gets proper f***** for life.

Yeah, I don't think he's going to one of those conjugal visit prisons...

 

[cstu]

But Marquez's ambition was accompanied by occasional admissions of sadness or loneliness, according to Ramirez. On one of the few occasions that he opened up about his personal life, Ramirez remembers Marquez confessing that he and his new wife were "not clicking."

Should have watched that show about mail order brides.

 

[cstu]

Sounds to me like Marquez was desperate for friends and Farook manipulated him into buying the guns. Probably something along the lines "I'd really love to get a gun but as a Muslim I don't want to pop up on a terrorist watch list. C'mon, buddy, help me out."

 

[Clifford]

Pretty good read, including why the 2nd Amendment isn't the problem when it comes to gun control:

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/5/9454161/gun-violence-solution

Yep, like I said the US has already given away its way of life to guns and gun ownership. All we can do now is try and limit the damage. And there are several examples of common-sense measures that have done that in the article:

• After Connecticut passed a law requiring gun purchasers to first obtain a license, gun homicides fell by 40 percent and suicides fell by 15.4 percent.
• When Missouri repealed a similar law, gun homicides increased by 23 percent and suicides increased by 16.1 percent.
• Both firearm homicides and overall homicides are lower in states that check for restraining orders (13 percent fewer firearm homicides) and fugitive status (21 percent fewer) before selling guns, and firearm/overall suicides are lower in states that check for fugitive status (5 percent fewer), misdemeanors (5 percent fewer), and mental illness (4 percent fewer).

Last I checked, gun ownership has been around as long as our country has. There isn't some change that has happened. The way of life in the US has ALWAYS included guns.

If you read the article about how to fix the second amendment you would know that is not necessarily true. Gun ownership in America has changed dramatically over the past 35 years, mostly due to increasingly liberal interpretations of the 2nd amendment through a cascade of landmark decisions that have reshaped what the amendment means. If you want to read the article you can find it earlier in this thread or via google.

Also factor in the acceptance of SYG laws in a majority of states in that same time period.

 

[Shula-holic]

Sounds to me like Marquez was desperate for friends and Farook manipulated him into buying the guns. Probably something along the lines "I'd really love to get a gun but as a Muslim I don't want to pop up on a terrorist watch list. C'mon, buddy, help me out."

I'm pretty sure Marquez was a Muslim as well. At least the news reporting on it is claiming he got married in an Islamic Society building

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/enrique-marquez-warned-muslims-ready-haywire-article-1.2459822

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sounds to me like Marquez was desperate for friends and Farook manipulated him into buying the guns. Probably something along the lines "I'd really love to get a gun but as a Muslim I don't want to pop up on a terrorist watch list. C'mon, buddy, help me out."

I'm pretty sure Marquez was a Muslim as well. At least the news reporting on it is claiming he got married in an Islamic Society building

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/enrique-marquez-warned-muslims-ready-haywire-article-1.2459822

Eyewitness News learned that Marquez married the sister of Syed Farook's brother's wife, but there is little evidence they acted like a couple, and investigators are taking a close look at the marriage.

This wasn't just a random, lonely neighbor.

This was Farooq's brother's brother-in-law.

 

[mr roboto]

WOW.

Time names al-Baghdadi Man of the Year.

Cover boy.

Disgusting.

Wat? Thought this was Merkel.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

WOW.

Time names al-Baghdadi Man of the Year.

Cover boy.

Disgusting.

You know Hitler was Man of the Year once, right?

 

[jonessed]

WOW.

Time names al-Baghdadi Man of the Year.

Cover boy.

Disgusting.

Wat? Thought this was Merkel.

They have been attention whoring in their death spiral for awhile.

 

[Fennis]

WOW.

Time names al-Baghdadi Man of the Year.

Cover boy.

Disgusting.

You know Hitler was Man of the Year once, right?

WOW.

Time names al-Baghdadi Man of the Year.

Cover boy.

Disgusting.

You know Hitler was Man of the Year once, right?

Hell, I was named man of the year in 2006. That was a lame choice IMO.

 

[Fennis]

WOW.

Time names al-Baghdadi Man of the Year.

Cover boy.

Disgusting.

Wat? Thought this was Merkel.

They have been attention whoring in their death spiral for awhile.

Its almost like the point of the issue is to sell magazines.

 

[beer 30]

So nerdy dude had a sham marriage with a Russian (Chechen?) that was the sister of the wife of the shooters brother. Saw that coming...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3353767/San-Bernardino-plot-thickens-Nerdy-neighbor-bought-guns-San-Bernardino-shooter-planned-earlier-2012-attack-Farook-married-sister-law-lived-man.html

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

FBI: Shooter's friend says they built pipe bombs Situation Room | Source: CNN

Added on 5:10 PM ET, Fri December 11, 2015
Investigators say Enrique Marquez, a friend of the male in the San Bernardino shootings, admitted they built pipe bombs together.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/12/11/san-bernardino-enrique-marquez-pipe-bombs-perez-tsr.cnn

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Enrique Marquez: San Bernardino killer and I plotted in 2012


San Bernardino, California (CNN)As federal authorities attempt to piece together the circumstances surrounding last week's terrorist attack in San Bernardino, their far-flung investigation has taken them as far away as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
But they have also returned, again and again, to a much closer source of clues: The house next door to the boyhood home of killer Syed Rizwan Farook.

Their efforts there are focused on a bespectacled former Walmart employee, Enrique Marquez, and his purchase of a pair of rifles used in the attack that claimed 14 lives.

Marquez has acknowledged that he bought the two AR-15s for Farook several years ago. He's also told investigators about a 2012 attack plot that he says he and Farook conceived but did not carry out, U.S. officials told CNN.

Marquez told investigators that part of the reason the two abandoned their plans was that around that time, they were spooked by unrelated FBI arrests of four people charged with attempting to travel abroad to carry out jihad.

Investigators are still trying to corroborate information provided by Marquez and haven't verified details of the alleged plot. Officials caution that Marquez's claim of a 2012 attack could turn out to be false and an attempt to deflect his role in helping buy weapons that Farook later used in the San Bernardino shootings last week.

Marquez, 24, has not been charged with any crime and has told investigators he didn't know about the plans for the San Bernardino attack. Since the shootings, he has waived his Miranda rights, cooperated with investigators and provided information, according to the officials.

Marquez could not be reached for comment. No attorney has come forward.

...FBI Assistant Director David Bowdich was tight-lipped when asked about his status in the investigation at a news conference earlier this week. "I'm not prepared to discuss Mr. Marquez at this point," Bowdich said.

Related by marriage

According to county records, Marquez and Farook are related by marriage, and the address on his marriage license is the current address of Farook's father. Marquez was married last year with Farook's brother as a witness.

He converted to Islam several years ago and attended the same mosque as other members of the Farook family.

Marquez, who was a state licensed security guard until his license expired last year, checked himself into a mental health facility in the wake of the attacks, according to law enforcement officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

According to officials, Marquez told investigators that he and Farook were on the path to radicalization as early as 2011. That same year, Marquez bought the first of two rifles for Farook.

Marquez gave the rifles to Farook shortly after purchasing them but did not report the transfer of ownership, two law enforcement officials said Tuesday.

Such transactions could be a violation of California law, the officials said.

...

Agents also visited the Walmart store in Corona where Marquez worked. A spokesman for the retailer said Marquez has worked for Walmart since May, but "the decision has been made to terminate him."

A co-worker who asked not to be named said she was twice interviewed by FBI agents earlier this week. They asked about Marquez's personality and interests, the co-worker said.

...

Marquez converted to Islam and attended mosque sermons on and off for a couple years, said Azmi Hasan, who has served as facility manager of the Islamic Society of Corona-Norco since 2000.

Hasan said Marquez acted goofy, describing one instance when he saw him outside the mosque laughing out loud to himself. When approached by Hasan about what was so funny, Marquez said he wasn't laughing.

Hasan said Marquez attended sermons by himself but stopped coming about two years ago. He said he ran into Marquez, who he recalled as quiet and introverted, at a party and asked why he hadn't been coming to sermons more often.

When questioned about why he wasn't coming to sermons, Marquez would say he was busy, according to Hasan. At one point, Hasan said, Marquez responded that Islam was not working for him.

Hasan said Syed Rizwan Farook's sister and brother-in-law also attended the mosque but that he'd never seen Marquez in their company.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/us/san-bernardino-investigation-neighbor/index.html

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

San Bernardino Investigation: FBI Searches Lake for Clues as Victims' Funerals ContinueAs FBI investigators return to search a San Bernardino lake today for clues into last week's deadly shooting, funerals continue for some of the 14 victims who lost their lives during the massacre in Southern California's Inland Empire.

There is a wake today in Westminster, California, for 31-year-old victim Tin Nguyen, and a funeral is set for this morning in Riverside, California, for 58-year-old victim Damian Meins, according to The Press Enterprise. Yvette Velasco, 27, was the first victim to be laid to rest in a funeral Thursday afternoon.

Meanwhile, the FBI is scouring Seccombe Lake Park in San Bernardino -- 2.5 miles from the site of the shooting -- where the killers may have gone after the Dec. 2 massacre, according to authorities.

In the hours after suspected shooters Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik fled the scene of the conference room shooting -- and before the police shootout that left them dead -- the FBI believes the couple may have come to the lake to dump evidence, possibly including devices with digital data.

The search comes after the FBI received information that the couple spent time at the pond, according to a senior official with knowledge of the investigation. The dive teams are looking to see if they left or stored anything at the pond, the senior official said.

The FBI would not discuss specific evidence, but officials said Thursday that investigators were seeking "anything that had to do" with the shooting.

"In the end we may come up with nothing," FBI Los Angeles branch Assistant Director David Bowdich said Thursday, adding that the search could take days. "We just don’t know yet.”

Bowdich added that there is no indication that anything in the lake poses a danger to the public.

Farook and his neighbor, Enrique Marquez, who federal investigators say provided the military-style weapons used in the massacre, allegedly began planning, but later abandoned, a terror plot in 2012, authorities said.

That year, four individuals in Riverside -- the same town where Farook and Marquez lived -- were arrested and convicted of terrorism. The FBI said the four individuals' terror plot was to join the Taliban and fight overseas.

Idaho Sen. James Risch said the four arrests were "immediately adjacent" to Farook and Marquez's area and "really caused them to rethink" their plan.

Marquez remains in FBI custody today, but not under arrest.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/san-bernardino-investigation-fbi-searches-lake-clues-victims/story?id=35712292

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Administration nixed probe into Southern California jihadistsThere are terrorists in our midst and they arrived here using legal means right under the noses of the federal law enforcement agencies whose mission is to stop them. That is not due to malfeasance or lack of effort on the part of these officers; it is due to the restrictions placed on them by the Obama administration.

I was a firsthand witness to how these policies deliberately prevented scrutiny of Islamist groups. The two San Bernardino jihadists, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, may have benefited from the administration’s closure of an investigation I initiated on numerous groups infiltrating radicalized individuals into this country.


While working for the Department of Homeland Security for 13 years, I identified individuals affiliated with large, but less well-known groups such as Tablighi Jamaat and the larger Deobandi movement freely transiting the United States. At the National Targeting Center, one of the premier organizations formed to “connect the dots,” I played a major role in an investigation into this trans-national Islamist network. We created records of individuals, mosques, Islamic Centers and schools across the United States that were involved in this radicalization effort. The Dar Al Uloom Al Islamiyah Mosque in San Bernardino was affiliated with this network and we had identified a member of it in our investigation. Farook frequented that mosque and was well-known to the congregation and mosque leadership.Another focus of my investigation was the Pakistani women’s Islamist group al-Huda, which counted Farook’s wife, Tashfeen Malik, as a student. While the al-Huda International Welfare Foundation distanced themselves from the actions of their former pupil, Malik’s classmates told the Daily Mail she changed significantly while studying at al-Huda, gradually becoming “more serious and strict.” More ominously, the group’s presence in the U.S. and Canada is not without its other ties to ISIS and terrorism. In 2014, three recent former students at al-Huda’s affiliate school in Canada, aged 15 to 18, left their homes to join the Islamic State in Syria.

We had these two groups in our sights; if the investigation had continued and additional links been identified and dots connected, we might have given advance warning of the terrorist attack in San Bernardino. The combination of Farook’s involvement with the Dar Al Uloom Al Islamiyah Mosque and Malik’s attendance at al-Huda would have indicated, at minimum, an urgent need for comprehensive screening. It could also have led to denial of Malik’s K-1 visa or possibly gotten Farook placed on the No Fly list.

But after more than six months of research and tracking; over 1,200 law enforcement actions and more than 300 terrorists identified; and a commendation for our efforts; DHS shut down the investigation at the request of the Department of State and DHS’ own Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Division. They claimed that since the Islamist groups in question were not Specially Designated Terrorist Organizations (SDTOs) tracking individuals related to these groups was a violation of the travelers’ civil liberties. These were almost exclusively foreign nationals: When were they granted the civil rights and liberties of American citizens?

Worse still, the administration then went back and erased the dots we were diligently connecting. Even as DHS closed my investigation, I knew that data I was looking at could prove significant to future counterterror efforts and tried to prevent the information from being lost to law enforcement. In 2013, I met with the DHS Inspector General in coordination with several members of Congress to attempt to warn the American people’s elected representatives about the threat.

In retaliation, DHS and the Department of Justice subjected me to a series of investigations and adverse actions, including one by that same Inspector General. None of them showed any wrongdoing; they seemed aimed at stopping me from blowing the whistle on this problem. Earlier this year, I was finally able to honorably retire from government and I’m now taking my story to the American people as a warning.

My law enforcement colleagues and I must conduct our work while respecting the rights of those we monitor. But what I witnessed suggests the Obama administration is more concerned with the rights of non-citizens in known Islamist groups than with the safety and security of the American people.

That must change.

Haney is a recently retired DHS employee.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homeland-security/263284-administration-nixed-probe-into-southern-california

 

[saintfool]

At a Wednesday press conference in New York City, the FBI walked back its previous claims about the San Bernardino shooting, saying alleged shooter Tashfeen Malik "did not post support for jihad on social media" and that there is "no evidence that the San Bernardino shooters were part of an organized cell," Reuters reports.

FBI Director James Comey says Malik and Syed Rizwan Farook, the Muslim couple allegedly behind the December 2 shooting that left 14 dead, only expressed their support for "jihad and martyrdom" in private communications, not on social media. Reports had alleged that Malik made Facebook posts about jihad under a pseudonym.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

At a Wednesday press conference in New York City, the FBI walked back its previous claims about the San Bernardino shooting, saying alleged shooter Tashfeen Malik "did not post support for jihad on social media" and that there is "no evidence that the San Bernardino shooters were part of an organized cell," Reuters reports.

FBI Director James Comey says Malik and Syed Rizwan Farook, the Muslim couple allegedly behind the December 2 shooting that left 14 dead, only expressed their support for "jihad and martyrdom" in private communications, not on social media. Reports had alleged that Malik made Facebook posts about jihad under a pseudonym.

...Malik sent at least two private messages on Facebook to a small group of Pakistani friends in 2012 and 2014, pledging her support for Islamic jihad and saying she hoped to join the fight one day, the Los Angeles Times reported on Monday.

The messages were posted before Malik, 29, entered the US on a K-1 fiancée visa in July 2014, the Times said, citing two top federal law-enforcement officials.

Malik's messages were recovered by FBI agents investigating whether she and her husband had been in direct contact with foreign militant organizations and were directed to carry out the December 2 attack in which 14 people were killed, the Times reported.

The Times said Malik's Facebook messages indicate for the first time that US law-enforcement and intelligence officials missed warnings on social media that she was a potential threat before she applied for her US visa.

...The officials, who declined to be identified by name, would not discuss specific social-media monitoring techniques that are being tested.

...While there is no explicit order barring visa investigators from trawling applicants' social-media accounts, some agencies have been wary about doing so, the official said.

John Cohen, former acting chief of DHS' intelligence bureau, said civil liberties and privacy concerns had given some DHS officials reservations about scrutinizing visa applicants' social-media posts.

According to the Los Angeles Times report, one of the officials characterized Malik's messages as "her private communications ... to a small group of her friends," according to the Times. The official added, "It went only to this small group in Pakistan." The official said they were written in Urdu, an official language of Pakistan.

The second official said Malik "expressed her desire" in one of the posts to become an Islamic militant in her own right, the Times said. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity, the newspaper said.

...The FBI has said the couple declared they were acting on behalf of Islamic State. But Comey has said there was no evidence the militant group was aware of them before the attack.

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-san-bernardino-shooters-social-media-jihad-2015-12

 

[jonessed]

Why are we knowingly allowing Islamic militants into the country? What the #### is wrong with these people? We spend hundreds of billions on homeland security and then we throw the resulting work out the window because there is concern about the privacy of social media postings?

If you find out someone applying for a visa has recently expressed a desire to be an Islamic militant, don't let them into the ####### country.

What a bunch of imbeciles.

 

[shadrap]

all Muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are Muslim. Don't let facts hit you on the backside Barack.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

KFI AM 640 ‏@KFIAM640 6h6 hours ago

Law enforcement officials confirm San Bernardino rifle supplier Enrique Marquez has been arrested by the Feds. @leonardfiles

KFI AM 640 ‏@KFIAM640 4h4 hours ago

US Attorney: Man who bought guns used in #SanBernardinoShooting charged with terrorism counts.

Eric Leonard ‏@LeonardFiles 4h4 hours ago

FBI: Marquez sham marriage @KFIAM640

Eric Leonard ‏@LeonardFiles 4h4 hours ago

FBI: Marquez and Farook planned slaughter at Riverside Community College, 91 Fwy @KFIAM640

Eric Leonard ‏@LeonardFiles 4h4 hours ago

Feds: Enrique Marquez chgd w 3 counts, including conspiracy to commit act of terror in 2011-2012 @KFIAM640

Eric Leonard ‏@LeonardFiles 4h4 hours ago

Friend of San Bernardino CHARGED with providing material support to terrorists, illegal gun transaction, immigr fraud. @KFIAM640

Eric Leonard ‏@LeonardFiles 3h3 hours ago

FBI: Farook thumbdrive included spreadsheet with massacre supply list @KFIAM640

Eric Leonard ‏@LeonardFiles 3h3 hours ago

FBI: Farook wanted Marquez to buy guns because Marquez didn't look Middle-Eastern @KFIAM640

Eric Leonard ‏@LeonardFiles 3h3 hours ago

FBI: Enrique Marquez called 911 after San Bernardino massacre and ID'd Farook @KFIAM640

 

[cstu]

all Muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are Muslim. Don't let facts hit you on the backside Barack.

All blacks and Hispanics aren't gang members but most gang members are black or Hispanic.