15-20 FBI agents raid man's home because he pushed somebody and 15-20 is totally reasonable. (1 Viewer)

[The General]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

 

[The General]

The fbi agents told the wife they felt ashamed at how it was handled and apologized.

I missed this. How did this take place?

 

[jon_mx]

The fbi agents told the wife they felt ashamed at how it was handled and apologized.

I missed this. How did this take place?

After they carted her husband away, a couple agents seeing the children in tears came up to his wife and told her they were sorry for how it was handled.

 

[sho nuff]

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

How many times do we need to ask the same question? Yes.. because the FBI seems to have acted properly in this case.
In addition, care to comment on it...rather than just take issue with what left leaning posters may have done in a made up scenario?

 

[The General]

The fbi agents told the wife they felt ashamed at how it was handled and apologized.

I missed this. How did this take place?

After they carted her husband away, a couple agents seeing the children in tears came up to his wife and told her they were sorry for how it was handled.

Sorry that her kids were frightened, that is understandable and polite of them.

 

[jon_mx]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

That’s all great, but you didn’t answer my question

 

[The General]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

 

[jon_mx]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

Yes, and in a normal world, there would have been a full investigation and they would have asked him to come in for questioning to get his side of the story. Police and prosecutors don't just take one side of the story at take it at face value and act. Unless we are back in the 1950's and a black man is accused of raping a white women, That is where I see we are at. Yes, I believe there is that much bigotry in the Justice Department, at Universities, at Tik-Tok, at Twitter, at Google, at liberal media....we have a serious problem.

 

[The General]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

That’s all great, but you didn’t answer my question

Sorry, i thought I did. What would be the equivalent I guess. The issue goes beyond a normal protestor holding up a sign saying defund the police or whatever. He was doing this at a medical clinic thinking he is offering “help“ and “sidewalk counseling” for women. There are very specific laws about this.

I‘m at least glad to see we have moved away from the tweet linked in the OP saying this was “Biden weaponizing the DOJ to punish political enemies“ and are now just talking about if they should have just sent a car to pick the guy up.

 

[sho nuff]

And @CowboyFan ...if a man is peacefully protesting at a Trump rally, breaks from his peace to shove over a 72 year old man in a red MAGA hat...and the FBI serves a warrant just as they did here. Would any of those complaining about this in this thread have an issue with it? Or would we have to back law enforcement? Fly the blue strip flag and all...

 

[The General]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

Yes, and in a normal world, there would have been a full investigation and they would have asked him to come in for questioning to get his side of the story. Police and prosecutors don't just take one side of the story at take it at face value and act. Unless we are back in the 1950's and a black man is accused of raping a white women, That is where I see we are at. Yes, I believe there is that much bigotry in the Justice Department, at Universities, at Tik-Tok, at Twitter, at Google, at liberal media....we have a serious problem.

Ok settle down

If tie guy was wronged he will get a nice settlement check, a speaking tour with some pro-life organization, and if he is really good a spot gig as a reoccurring guest on screamer opinion TV news.

 

[jon_mx]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

Yes, and in a normal world, there would have been a full investigation and they would have asked him to come in for questioning to get his side of the story. Police and prosecutors don't just take one side of the story at take it at face value and act. Unless we are back in the 1950's and a black man is accused of raping a white women, That is where I see we are at. Yes, I believe there is that much bigotry in the Justice Department, at Universities, at Tik-Tok, at Twitter, at Google, at liberal media....we have a serious problem.

Ok settle down

If tie guy was wronged he will get a nice settlement check, a speaking tour with some pro-life organization, and if he is really good a spot gig as a reoccurring guest on screamer opinion TV news.

There is no nice settlement check from the FBI or DOJ. They have massive authority and there is very little recourse when they abuse rights. That is why it is important to hold them to the highest standard and not put in political hacks.

 

[The General]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

Yes, and in a normal world, there would have been a full investigation and they would have asked him to come in for questioning to get his side of the story. Police and prosecutors don't just take one side of the story at take it at face value and act. Unless we are back in the 1950's and a black man is accused of raping a white women, That is where I see we are at. Yes, I believe there is that much bigotry in the Justice Department, at Universities, at Tik-Tok, at Twitter, at Google, at liberal media....we have a serious problem.

Ok settle down

If tie guy was wronged he will get a nice settlement check, a speaking tour with some pro-life organization, and if he is really good a spot gig as a reoccurring guest on screamer opinion TV news.

There is no nice settlement check from the FBI or DOJ. They have massive authority and there is very little recourse when they abuse rights. That is why it is important to hold them to the highest standard and not put in political hacks.

I definitely agree government institutions should be held accountable. Better to air on the side of caution in that regard and allow people to complain, tweet, cry on Hannity or Don Lemon’s show all they want.

I believe people can and have successfully sued the FBI, not sure about that to be honest. This guy if he so chooses will do very well from this incident if he desires regardless.

In any case I think your hyperbole is a bit overly caffeinated this morning.

 

[Yenrub]

The great “gift“ Trump’s given to the GOP and conservative movement is the willingness and comfortability with playing the victim. It’s unreal. Not one word from the right about the woman coming out from a traumatizing medical procedure ( whether you approve of it or not it’s undeniable it is a traumatic medical procedure) who’s being harassed. No no that’s their rights to be there acting like a*******. But this guy breaking the law, he‘s the “real victim“.

Playing Victim = Expecting to be treated equally under the law.

I find this constant ridiculing of "playing the victim" when people insist the laws be applied equally to be a disgusting tactic. As a lawyer, I would expect you to respect the concept of a blind system of justice. But that is no longer an ideal that is important. Instead we are to worship at the alter of wokeness and screw equal protection.

1st- He was treated equally. He was arrested for breaking the law. Just like thousands of others on that day, many with multiple armed officers for relatively minor offenses.

B - My mother will be so proud to hear I’m finally a lawyer like she always hoped I’d become.

And 3rd- I don’t worship at any alter and certainly not the woke one (whatever that is). I’ve made my position on wokeness very clear around here over the years.

1st and foremost, he is not being treated equally. I posted an article on the previous page. There have been 58 attacks at anti-abortion clinics, 18 of which a left-wing group called Janes Revenge took credit for including a fire-bomb attack in Buffalo back in June. None of which are being prosecuted. But instead this Justice Department is resurrecting old instances at abortion clinics and only prosecuting and investigating those. The lawyers are known left-wing activists who are cherry-picking minor cases against conservatives and ignoring much more violent attacks from left-wing groups. Sorry, but that is not equal justice under the law. That is politicizing the office and abusing power. This is not a strong case and the Justice Department will likely lose, but not before using their Gestapo tactics to intimidate their political opponents.

Jon, I know you’ve got some very biased dug in viewpoints on this “weaponization” against conservatives, some of which is understandable based on previous transgressions. I won’t try to change that opinion, even if I disagree, as I know I won’t make a dent. But you also well know when looking at any one case it’s extremely easy to counterpoint how there are examples of the “other side” not being brought to justice and the system is unfair, regardless of one’s position.

While you’ve jumped to your conclusions on this situation many of us have not. Is that based on the fact I have more faith in the institution then you do? Almost certainly. But whether you end up being 100% correct here or not it doesn’t show an inherent or systemic weaponization against conservatives imo. It will just be another bad decision made within the overall system. A bad decision like others that have happened to non conservatives.

And on that front, what I find fascinating about your position is you are one of the stanches deniers of systematic racism or oppression within our current justice system toward minorities (something that’s undeniably been happening for hundreds of years). Yet here you are now also claiming there is a systematic oppression happening with the system toward conservatives. That’s a ironic position imo. The system is either capable of systemic abuse or it’s not. It can’t be both.

Thank you for that last part. It's been posted over and over that there "can't" be systemic issues because there are no laws on the books anymore against blacks. If that's the case how is this oppression of conservatives happening? (or maybe I missed the new anti-conservative laws passed).

The last part is misleading. It is not just laws, although there are some. It is policies and practices. Say for instance, there were 60 murders, 10 where the suspects were black and 50 were the suspects were white. If the police spent all there resources on just the 10 where the suspects were black that would be systemic racism. That is not happening in any police department that I am aware of today, and if it was people would be rightfully disgusted and outraged at such practice. In this case, there are about 70 instances where there were acts which violated the FACE act. About 58 or so done at pro-life clinics, and 12 done at pro-abortion clinics. The DOJ is only pursuing, charging and arresting those involving the pro-abortion clinics, while some more serious violations such as fire-bombings in Buffalo and Minnesota with a known group claiming responsibility are being ignored. The thuggery of the FBI on these raids throws gasoline on the outrage as it was clearly a show of force to intimidate.

Conservatives believe that the two most important principles of good government are a respect of free speech and equal treatment under the law, which are clearly laid out in our Constitution. Those two vital principles are being trashed on a lot of fronts, and I don't see many liberals outside of Bill Maher who seems to care. The left now seems to be embracing concepts of equity (equal outcomes) and fighting what it deems hate speech (which in practice has become politics they disagree with). These liberal principles trump free speech and equal treatment, and those are two principles I would fight to the end for.

With the so called war on drugs that is exactly what has been happening

 

[Cowboysfan8]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

That’s all great, but you didn’t answer my question

Sorry, i thought I did. What would be the equivalent I guess. The issue goes beyond a normal protestor holding up a sign saying defund the police or whatever. He was doing this at a medical clinic thinking he is offering “help“ and “sidewalk counseling” for women. There are very specific laws about this.

I‘m at least glad to see we have moved away from the tweet linked in the OP saying this was “Biden weaponizing the DOJ to punish political enemies“ and are now just talking about if they should have just sent a car to pick the guy up.

You still haven’t. That’s fine. We will move on

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

How many times do we need to ask the same question? Yes.. because the FBI seems to have acted properly in this case.
In addition, care to comment on it...rather than just take issue with what left leaning posters may have done in a made up scenario?

My comment? I think it’s a waste of time and money to send a group of agents to his house to do what could have been done with a letter in the mail. Ridiculous

And I call ******** on the rest

 

[(HULK)]

I'm not going to defend the number of agents, it's high.

I do find the hyperbole from the wife and the subsequent "weaponization\regime\targeting" we're victims pearl clutching to be nothing shy of ridiculous theater.

The guy broke a law. He got arrested. Things can happen without it having anything to do with Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

I wish we could have rational discourse but it seems we're not mature enough to manage that very often.

Allegedly broke the law, which I do not believe he did. The FBI never interviewed him prior to arresting him. The DOJ/FBI sent him a letter nearly a year ago and his attorney reached out to the FBI but the FBI never responded back. The FBI did not have time to investigate this crime but they did have time to send 15 plus heavily armed agents to pound on his door and threaten to knock the door in. Sorry, but that is not how a non-political justice is served. It is a disgusting act in stream of recent disgusting acts by the heavily politicized DOJ and FBI. People who politicize our justice system are the ones who should be facing charges.

Do you just like to make up facts to support your pre-excusing viewpoint? The FBI sent him a target letter like last week lol. According to his wife. And, the wife full on admits he pushed the guy. Sure, technically innocent until proven guilty but when they're admitting physical assault it merits an arresting and charging.

The disgusting act here isn't executing an arrest warrant. It's pushing a 72 year old to the ground so hard he required medical attention. You're bias isn't letting you see that apparently.

It was not last week, unless they sent another one. And yes he shoved the man. But there are many more elements to the crime. Was he trying to protect his son from some unhinged leftist screaming vulgarities at his son or was he trying to prevent some peaceful escort from taking a patient into the clinic. I am certain the first is the reality.

There's video? Or you were there?

The only source claiming the son was not there is some anonymous Twitter account. So I choose to believe the only first person account we have.

The wife is not a first person account either, she wasn't there.

 

[(HULK)]

I'm not going to defend the number of agents, it's high.

I do find the hyperbole from the wife and the subsequent "weaponization\regime\targeting" we're victims pearl clutching to be nothing shy of ridiculous theater.

The guy broke a law. He got arrested. Things can happen without it having anything to do with Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

I wish we could have rational discourse but it seems we're not mature enough to manage that very often.

Allegedly broke the law, which I do not believe he did. The FBI never interviewed him prior to arresting him. The DOJ/FBI sent him a letter nearly a year ago and his attorney reached out to the FBI but the FBI never responded back. The FBI did not have time to investigate this crime but they did have time to send 15 plus heavily armed agents to pound on his door and threaten to knock the door in. Sorry, but that is not how a non-political justice is served. It is a disgusting act in stream of recent disgusting acts by the heavily politicized DOJ and FBI. People who politicize our justice system are the ones who should be facing charges.

Do you just like to make up facts to support your pre-excusing viewpoint? The FBI sent him a target letter like last week lol. According to his wife. And, the wife full on admits he pushed the guy. Sure, technically innocent until proven guilty but when they're admitting physical assault it merits an arresting and charging.

The disgusting act here isn't executing an arrest warrant. It's pushing a 72 year old to the ground so hard he required medical attention. You're bias isn't letting you see that apparently.

It was not last week, unless they sent another one. And yes he shoved the man. But there are many more elements to the crime. Was he trying to protect his son from some unhinged leftist screaming vulgarities at his son or was he trying to prevent some peaceful escort from taking a patient into the clinic. I am certain the first is the reality.

There's video? Or you were there?

The only source claiming the son was not there is some anonymous Twitter account. So I choose to believe the only first person account we have.

Then you're viewing this myopically if you believe one (1) witness account with "certainty."

There was a police investigation. There was a civil suit. There is the history of actions by these lawyers at the DOJ. There is the recent behavior of the fbi acting political. There are character witness supporting this man.. It is a lot more than just believing one eye witness.

And yet there remains no findable records of a police investigation or a civil suit. Despite this happening in Philadelphia, a modern city that posts these records online in a searchable database.

The FBI executed a warrant to arrest a man who, even you admit, pushed a senior citizen to the ground on two separate occasions on the same day. That is what they should do. You are crying persecution, but what terrible thing has happened to this guy? He got hauled off and processed and released on bail. If he is innocent, then he will have his day in court to prove it. He has also now raised over $200K in less than a week. Heck, I'd let 250 armed FBI officers come to my home and arrest me in front of my wife and kids for $200K.

 

[(HULK)]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

The fbi agents told the wife they felt ashamed at how it was handled and apologized.

Says the wife. Who lied about how many FBI agents there were. Lied that they were SWAT when they weren't. Lied that they entered her home pointing rifles at her and her husband when they did not point weapons at them and did not enter their home.

I'm sure she wasn't making that up. Certain. Oh wait, no, that's not right, the other thing. Doubtful. I'm doubting that she did not make that up too.

 

[(HULK)]

The fbi agents told the wife they felt ashamed at how it was handled and apologized.

I missed this. How did this take place?

After they carted her husband away, a couple agents seeing the children in tears came up to his wife and told her they were sorry for how it was handled.

I'll take "Things That Never Happened" for $600 Alex

 

[whoknew]

This kind of thing happens all the time. They should be thankful the cops didn't bust down the doors in a pre-dawn raid while everyone was sleeping.

And yes, it needs to be changed. We desperately need police reform in this country. I'm glad so many in this thread agree.

 

[(HULK)]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

Yes, and in a normal world, there would have been a full investigation and they would have asked him to come in for questioning to get his side of the story. Police and prosecutors don't just take one side of the story at take it at face value and act. Unless we are back in the 1950's and a black man is accused of raping a white women, That is where I see we are at. Yes, I believe there is that much bigotry in the Justice Department, at Universities, at Tik-Tok, at Twitter, at Google, at liberal media....we have a serious problem.

If prosecutors choose NOT to interview the suspect, it's because they already have him dead to rights.

The planned parenthood where this happened has visible security cameras on its exterior. I'm fairly confident there is video evidence of the crime in the hands of the prosecution team AND that there wasn't video of what the defendant is suggesting with the kid, simply because if there was then the prosecution would've sought clarification and proceeded with interviewing the accused.

My take: The kid story is an excuse fabricated by an angry man who spends every Wednesday outside a clinic yelling at women while wearing a large knife on his belt and calling it "sidewalk counselling" in an effort to make his detestable behavior sound palatable.

That said, my take is just a take. It's founded on gut-feel, suspicion, and insight. The facts are out there on this one and will come to light during the trial. I feel no need to claim certainty and think doing so is insane, as I am not infallible.

 

[(HULK)]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

Yes, and in a normal world, there would have been a full investigation and they would have asked him to come in for questioning to get his side of the story. Police and prosecutors don't just take one side of the story at take it at face value and act. Unless we are back in the 1950's and a black man is accused of raping a white women, That is where I see we are at. Yes, I believe there is that much bigotry in the Justice Department, at Universities, at Tik-Tok, at Twitter, at Google, at liberal media....we have a serious problem.

Ok settle down

If tie guy was wronged he will get a nice settlement check, a speaking tour with some pro-life organization, and if he is really good a spot gig as a reoccurring guest on screamer opinion TV news.

He's already up $200K. He's going to get a lot of attention, even if he is found guilty. I doubt he'll do much time if/when he is convicted.

 

[(HULK)]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

Yes, and in a normal world, there would have been a full investigation and they would have asked him to come in for questioning to get his side of the story. Police and prosecutors don't just take one side of the story at take it at face value and act. Unless we are back in the 1950's and a black man is accused of raping a white women, That is where I see we are at. Yes, I believe there is that much bigotry in the Justice Department, at Universities, at Tik-Tok, at Twitter, at Google, at liberal media....we have a serious problem.

Ok settle down

If tie guy was wronged he will get a nice settlement check, a speaking tour with some pro-life organization, and if he is really good a spot gig as a reoccurring guest on screamer opinion TV news.

There is no nice settlement check from the FBI or DOJ. They have massive authority and there is very little recourse when they abuse rights. That is why it is important to hold them to the highest standard and not put in political hacks.

How is enforcing the law abusing rights? What rights of the accused were infringed upon?

 

[(HULK)]

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

How many times do we need to ask the same question? Yes.. because the FBI seems to have acted properly in this case.
In addition, care to comment on it...rather than just take issue with what left leaning posters may have done in a made up scenario?

My comment? I think it’s a waste of time and money to send a group of agents to his house to do what could have been done with a letter in the mail. Ridiculous

And I call ******** on the rest

I'll not argue that point. You're correct, it was a waste of time and money. A phone call or letter could've got the guy down to be processed most likely, or maybe not, but best practice would certainly to be to try that route first. Maybe they did and we don't know? I doubt the accused would tell us that while trying to cash in on his victimhood right now.

 

[jon_mx]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

Yes, and in a normal world, there would have been a full investigation and they would have asked him to come in for questioning to get his side of the story. Police and prosecutors don't just take one side of the story at take it at face value and act. Unless we are back in the 1950's and a black man is accused of raping a white women, That is where I see we are at. Yes, I believe there is that much bigotry in the Justice Department, at Universities, at Tik-Tok, at Twitter, at Google, at liberal media....we have a serious problem.

Ok settle down

If tie guy was wronged he will get a nice settlement check, a speaking tour with some pro-life organization, and if he is really good a spot gig as a reoccurring guest on screamer opinion TV news.

There is no nice settlement check from the FBI or DOJ. They have massive authority and there is very little recourse when they abuse rights. That is why it is important to hold them to the highest standard and not put in political hacks.

How is enforcing the law abusing rights? What rights of the accused were infringed upon?

Selective prosecution based on political affiliation is an abuse of power.

 

[jon_mx]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

The fbi agents told the wife they felt ashamed at how it was handled and apologized.

Says the wife. Who lied about how many FBI agents there were. Lied that they were SWAT when they weren't. Lied that they entered her home pointing rifles at her and her husband when they did not point weapons at them and did not enter their home.

I'm sure she wasn't making that up. Certain. Oh wait, no, that's not right, the other thing. Doubtful. I'm doubting that she did not make that up too.

Stop with the lies non-sense. She did not lie. Even the FBI said 15-20. They did not even know the exact number. And yes, many people who see FBI agents with rifles and body armor would mischaracterize them as a SWAT team. It is like leftist who refer to every scary gun as an assault rifle, when in fact most of them aren't. It is not a lie, it is being ignorant of the difference.

 

[(HULK)]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

Yes, and in a normal world, there would have been a full investigation and they would have asked him to come in for questioning to get his side of the story. Police and prosecutors don't just take one side of the story at take it at face value and act. Unless we are back in the 1950's and a black man is accused of raping a white women, That is where I see we are at. Yes, I believe there is that much bigotry in the Justice Department, at Universities, at Tik-Tok, at Twitter, at Google, at liberal media....we have a serious problem.

Ok settle down

If tie guy was wronged he will get a nice settlement check, a speaking tour with some pro-life organization, and if he is really good a spot gig as a reoccurring guest on screamer opinion TV news.

There is no nice settlement check from the FBI or DOJ. They have massive authority and there is very little recourse when they abuse rights. That is why it is important to hold them to the highest standard and not put in political hacks.

How is enforcing the law abusing rights? What rights of the accused were infringed upon?

Selective prosecution based on political affiliation is an abuse of power.

How is this selective prosecution? He assaulted someone. He is being prosecuted. The end.

 

[(HULK)]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

The fbi agents told the wife they felt ashamed at how it was handled and apologized.

Says the wife. Who lied about how many FBI agents there were. Lied that they were SWAT when they weren't. Lied that they entered her home pointing rifles at her and her husband when they did not point weapons at them and did not enter their home.

I'm sure she wasn't making that up. Certain. Oh wait, no, that's not right, the other thing. Doubtful. I'm doubting that she did not make that up too.

Stop with the lies non-sense. She did not lie. Even the FBI said 15-20. They did not even know the exact number. And yes, many people who see FBI agents with rifles and body armor would mischaracterize them as a SWAT team. It is like leftist who refer to every scary gun as an assault rifle, when in fact most of them aren't. It is not a lie, it is being ignorant of the difference.

She said they entered her home and told her kids to go upstairs. They did not enter the home.

She said 25 to 30 SWAT people. It was less than 20.

She said guns pointed. I saw the picture. Not an accurate description of what was pictured.

She's playing the victim and you let yourself get played. I hope you're not one of the fools who've sent them over $200K.

 

[Zow]

I'm not going to defend the number of agents, it's high.

I do find the hyperbole from the wife and the subsequent "weaponization\regime\targeting" we're victims pearl clutching to be nothing shy of ridiculous theater.

The guy broke a law. He got arrested. Things can happen without it having anything to do with Joe Biden or Donald Trump.

I wish we could have rational discourse but it seems we're not mature enough to manage that very often.

Allegedly broke the law, which I do not believe he did. The FBI never interviewed him prior to arresting him. The DOJ/FBI sent him a letter nearly a year ago and his attorney reached out to the FBI but the FBI never responded back. The FBI did not have time to investigate this crime but they did have time to send 15 plus heavily armed agents to pound on his door and threaten to knock the door in. Sorry, but that is not how a non-political justice is served. It is a disgusting act in stream of recent disgusting acts by the heavily politicized DOJ and FBI. People who politicize our justice system are the ones who should be facing charges.

Do you just like to make up facts to support your pre-excusing viewpoint? The FBI sent him a target letter like last week lol. According to his wife. And, the wife full on admits he pushed the guy. Sure, technically innocent until proven guilty but when they're admitting physical assault it merits an arresting and charging.

The disgusting act here isn't executing an arrest warrant. It's pushing a 72 year old to the ground so hard he required medical attention. You're bias isn't letting you see that apparently.

It was not last week, unless they sent another one. And yes he shoved the man. But there are many more elements to the crime. Was he trying to protect his son from some unhinged leftist screaming vulgarities at his son or was he trying to prevent some peaceful escort from taking a patient into the clinic. I am certain the first is the reality.

There's video? Or you were there?

The only source claiming the son was not there is some anonymous Twitter account. So I choose to believe the only first person account we have.

Then you're viewing this myopically if you believe one (1) witness account with "certainty."

There was a police investigation. There was a civil suit. There is the history of actions by these lawyers at the DOJ. There is the recent behavior of the fbi acting political. There are character witness supporting this man.. It is a lot more than just believing one eye witness.

All right.

Assuming arguendo that everything you said there is accurate (I don't know if it is, not suggesting either that they aren't), unless you were there or there's video evidence or some such, you just cannot be certain. Heck, you can devote hundreds of hours of your life to this one incident and, absent those types of direct evidence, you cannot be certain.

 

[Zow]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

I don't think people are saying the warrant execution was ideal/right here. What I think they're saying, which is a sentiment I agree with and at least the point being made by @whoknew , is that this type of warrant execution is the norm. As such, this isn't some selective prosecution or mistreatment of the suspect because of his political leanings.

Perhaps I'm jaded because I've spent significant time working in a jurisdiction primarily enforced by Sheriff Joe where these types of "show of force" warrant executions are the norm. Similarly, I've worked enough cases where the FBI was the primary investigatory agency that this story doesn't surprise me either.

If unclear, I'm not saying that the show of force was necessary or appropriate here. I'm saying that the display of such is not indicative of some sort of prejudice against this particular suspect or that we should conclude this is some vindictive enforcement by the "regime" or such nonsense.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Perhaps I'm jaded because I've spent significant time working in a jurisdiction primarily enforced by Sheriff Joe where these types of "show of force" warrant executions are the norm. Similarly, I've worked enough cases where the FBI was the primary investigatory agency that this story doesn't surprise me either.

You have seen 20 FBI agents go to a house over somebody getting shoved or equivalent with no other open warrants?

 

[Zow]

Perhaps I'm jaded because I've spent significant time working in a jurisdiction primarily enforced by Sheriff Joe where these types of "show of force" warrant executions are the norm. Similarly, I've worked enough cases where the FBI was the primary investigatory agency that this story doesn't surprise me either.

You have seen 20 FBI agents go to a house over somebody getting shoved or equivalent with no other open warrants?

Obviously all case facts are different so, no. But I've seen no-knock warrants served at 6:00 AM (i.e. just as the sun is coming up) for a number of misdemeanors and non-violent felonies.

ETA: A lot of my FBI cases are for online crimes and organizational stings. While the charges are more serious than the assault, the suspects/defendants usually have no backgrounds for violence or absconding.

 

[dkp993]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

So Jon your then ok with people posting up outside of Judges homes when they don’t like a ruling. I’m mean it’s free speech right?

 

[jon_mx]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

So Jon your then ok with people posting up outside of Judges homes when they don’t like a ruling. I’m mean it’s free speech right?

Court houses yes.....personal residences no.

 

[dkp993]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

So Jon your then ok with people posting up outside of Judges homes when they don’t like a ruling. I’m mean it’s free speech right?

Court houses yes.....personal residences no.

Why not?

 

[sho nuff]

And sorry...yes this is whataboutism...but the same so mad about this...were dead silent when the State of Florida went after people who registered with the state to vote, were sent voter registration, and voted. But because of their former crimes...they were not allowed (despite the state telling them could). For that...swat was sent out in the early morning to arrest them. Silence from this same crew so hell bent on bashing the FBI in this case.

 

[(HULK)]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

So Jon your then ok with people posting up outside of Judges homes when they don’t like a ruling. I’m mean it’s free speech right?

Court houses yes.....personal residences no.

What about outside their doctor's office?

Like, if 30 protestors were lined up along the sidewalk to Cavanaugh's dentist on his way for a cleaning... is that fair game or not?

I get protesting a Supreme Court decision AT the Supreme Court. I don't like people doing it at their homes, not one bit. It's interfering with their private lives. These folks outside of abortion clinics... it's interfering with people's private lives IMO and very similar to protesting in a justice's front yard. Maybe not exactly the same, but if you're drawing lines between political and personal places to protest, I'd say outside a clinic is a personal spot much moreso than a political spot.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

I don't think people are saying the warrant execution was ideal/right here. What I think they're saying, which is a sentiment I agree with and at least the point being made by @whoknew , is that this type of warrant execution is the norm. As such, this isn't some selective prosecution or mistreatment of the suspect because of his political leanings.

Perhaps I'm jaded because I've spent significant time working in a jurisdiction primarily enforced by Sheriff Joe where these types of "show of force" warrant executions are the norm. Similarly, I've worked enough cases where the FBI was the primary investigatory agency that this story doesn't surprise me either.

If unclear, I'm not saying that the show of force was necessary or appropriate here. I'm saying that the display of such is not indicative of some sort of prejudice against this particular suspect or that we should conclude this is some vindictive enforcement by the "regime" or such nonsense.

Yeah, I don’t think Joe Biden sent the fbi to get this guy. About the only thing I’ve posted in this thread is the liberal posters’ reactions and how I thought (know) it’d be way different if the story didn’t involve the right to choose to have an abortion.

And fwiw, I’ve posted many times that I am most definitely pro choice

 

[tommyGunZ]

Jon and the Trumpers have no credibility on this issue. No President in recent memory (Nixon?) poltiicized the Justice Department more than Trump. He did it out in the open.

Somehow now the FBI, an agency whose employees have long leaned to the right, is now just a politicized arm of the DNC, despite still being led by….(checks notes)…..Trump appointee and lifelong Republican Chris Wray.

This is absurd.

 

[The General]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

I don't think people are saying the warrant execution was ideal/right here. What I think they're saying, which is a sentiment I agree with and at least the point being made by @whoknew , is that this type of warrant execution is the norm. As such, this isn't some selective prosecution or mistreatment of the suspect because of his political leanings.

Perhaps I'm jaded because I've spent significant time working in a jurisdiction primarily enforced by Sheriff Joe where these types of "show of force" warrant executions are the norm. Similarly, I've worked enough cases where the FBI was the primary investigatory agency that this story doesn't surprise me either.

If unclear, I'm not saying that the show of force was necessary or appropriate here. I'm saying that the display of such is not indicative of some sort of prejudice against this particular suspect or that we should conclude this is some vindictive enforcement by the "regime" or such nonsense.

Yeah, I don’t think Joe Biden sent the fbi to get this guy. About the only thing I’ve posted in this thread is the liberal posters’ reactions and how I thought (know) it’d be way different if the story didn’t involve the right to choose to have an abortion.

And fwiw, I’ve posted many times that I am most definitely pro choice

I consider myself a liberal poster. There isn't really a good comp here but if a protestor was harassing say Brett Kavanaugh's daughter while she was going to the doctor for a medical procedure I wouldn't be a fan. I'm not sure why this guy's act was tolerated up to this point but that will be part of this case.

That the FBI sends 15 people to do this type of arrest is a bit much. I would guess it is part of a procedure to have that many agents there that could be looked at.

 

[tommyGunZ]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

Yes, and in a normal world, there would have been a full investigation and they would have asked him to come in for questioning to get his side of the story. Police and prosecutors don't just take one side of the story at take it at face value and act. Unless we are back in the 1950's and a black man is accused of raping a white women, That is where I see we are at. Yes, I believe there is that much bigotry in the Justice Department, at Universities, at Tik-Tok, at Twitter, at Google, at liberal media....we have a serious problem.

Jon, you can save a lot of time writing and save a lot of us wasted time reading by just typing white victimhood.

Oh how horrible is the plight of the white man in modern day America. ITS SO UNFAIR!

 

[(HULK)]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

I don't think people are saying the warrant execution was ideal/right here. What I think they're saying, which is a sentiment I agree with and at least the point being made by @whoknew , is that this type of warrant execution is the norm. As such, this isn't some selective prosecution or mistreatment of the suspect because of his political leanings.

Perhaps I'm jaded because I've spent significant time working in a jurisdiction primarily enforced by Sheriff Joe where these types of "show of force" warrant executions are the norm. Similarly, I've worked enough cases where the FBI was the primary investigatory agency that this story doesn't surprise me either.

If unclear, I'm not saying that the show of force was necessary or appropriate here. I'm saying that the display of such is not indicative of some sort of prejudice against this particular suspect or that we should conclude this is some vindictive enforcement by the "regime" or such nonsense.

Yeah, I don’t think Joe Biden sent the fbi to get this guy. About the only thing I’ve posted in this thread is the liberal posters’ reactions and how I thought (know) it’d be way different if the story didn’t involve the right to choose to have an abortion.

And fwiw, I’ve posted many times that I am most definitely pro choice

I am pro-life-ish and I think this playing victim here is nutso.

ETA: Pro-life-ish means I'm in favor of doing things to reduce the incidence of abortion while trying to keep the laws off of a woman's body to a reasonable extent. What is currently happening in several states does not align well with my viewpoints on what is the best course of action.

 

[sho nuff]

And see...that is part of the problem. Zero really about the topic...just posting in it to try and take hypothetical shots at liberal posters as you make assertions as to how they would act.
Whats the point of doing that? Why not just discuss the topic rather than always discussing the posters?

 

[Rubiobot]

Stop with the lies non-sense.

 

[jon_mx]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

I don't think people are saying the warrant execution was ideal/right here. What I think they're saying, which is a sentiment I agree with and at least the point being made by @whoknew , is that this type of warrant execution is the norm. As such, this isn't some selective prosecution or mistreatment of the suspect because of his political leanings.

Perhaps I'm jaded because I've spent significant time working in a jurisdiction primarily enforced by Sheriff Joe where these types of "show of force" warrant executions are the norm. Similarly, I've worked enough cases where the FBI was the primary investigatory agency that this story doesn't surprise me either.

If unclear, I'm not saying that the show of force was necessary or appropriate here. I'm saying that the display of such is not indicative of some sort of prejudice against this particular suspect or that we should conclude this is some vindictive enforcement by the "regime" or such nonsense.

Yeah, I don’t think Joe Biden sent the fbi to get this guy. About the only thing I’ve posted in this thread is the liberal posters’ reactions and how I thought (know) it’d be way different if the story didn’t involve the right to choose to have an abortion.

And fwiw, I’ve posted many times that I am most definitely pro choice

I consider myself a liberal poster. There isn't really a good comp here but if a protestor was harassing say Brett Kavanaugh's daughter while she was going to the doctor for a medical procedure I wouldn't be a fan. I'm not sure why this guy's act was tolerated up to this point but that will be part of this case.

That the FBI sends 15 people to do this type of arrest is a bit much. I would guess it is part of a procedure to have that many agents there that could be looked at.

Bad analogy, you are assuming the 'victim' is telling the truth and the defendant is a liar, but this victim was unable to convince the local police or a court that his story was an accurate account. What if Bret Kavanaugh daughter got in the face of a young kid and was screaming obscenities at him, i would not have any compassion for Brett Kavanaugh's daughter. Time after time it is the left who is the side which has two standards when judging a case. It still blows my mind that a decent human being could watch all the footage available in the Rittenhouse case and conclude it was not self=defense. I do not care one iota in a criminal case what the color or the politics of an individual is, but the leftist media has trained an entire population that that is the most important factor in judging a case.

 

[jon_mx]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

The issue I have with the sidewalk preacher is his act taking taking place at medical facilities. That should not be tolerated and should be heavily scrutinized.

The FBI sending 15 people is overkill, the one pic I have seen shows them just standing there and their story differs from the wife’s so I’ll let that play out.

It should and must be tolerated as long as he was not obstructing or intimidating patients entering the clinic. That is all part of free speech. The question is did this preacher shove the escort to intimidate him from taking patients in, or did he shove the escort for shouting vulgarities and approaching his son.

That is what is being determined, correct?

Yes, and in a normal world, there would have been a full investigation and they would have asked him to come in for questioning to get his side of the story. Police and prosecutors don't just take one side of the story at take it at face value and act. Unless we are back in the 1950's and a black man is accused of raping a white women, That is where I see we are at. Yes, I believe there is that much bigotry in the Justice Department, at Universities, at Tik-Tok, at Twitter, at Google, at liberal media....we have a serious problem.

Jon, you can save a lot of time writing and save a lot of us wasted time reading by just typing white victimhood.

Oh how horrible is the plight of the white man in modern day America. ITS SO UNFAIR!

I get it, leftist today don't give one crap about the rights of conservatives, especially white ones. We are subhuman. Just round us up and put us on trains. What the heck is wrong with insisting that ALL people are treated fairly? That is all leftist do is play the victim card with certain people and crap all over people on the other side. The left has completely given up on the ideals which made this country great. The double standards are disgusting.

 

[The General]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

I don't think people are saying the warrant execution was ideal/right here. What I think they're saying, which is a sentiment I agree with and at least the point being made by @whoknew , is that this type of warrant execution is the norm. As such, this isn't some selective prosecution or mistreatment of the suspect because of his political leanings.

Perhaps I'm jaded because I've spent significant time working in a jurisdiction primarily enforced by Sheriff Joe where these types of "show of force" warrant executions are the norm. Similarly, I've worked enough cases where the FBI was the primary investigatory agency that this story doesn't surprise me either.

If unclear, I'm not saying that the show of force was necessary or appropriate here. I'm saying that the display of such is not indicative of some sort of prejudice against this particular suspect or that we should conclude this is some vindictive enforcement by the "regime" or such nonsense.

Yeah, I don’t think Joe Biden sent the fbi to get this guy. About the only thing I’ve posted in this thread is the liberal posters’ reactions and how I thought (know) it’d be way different if the story didn’t involve the right to choose to have an abortion.

And fwiw, I’ve posted many times that I am most definitely pro choice

I consider myself a liberal poster. There isn't really a good comp here but if a protestor was harassing say Brett Kavanaugh's daughter while she was going to the doctor for a medical procedure I wouldn't be a fan. I'm not sure why this guy's act was tolerated up to this point but that will be part of this case.

That the FBI sends 15 people to do this type of arrest is a bit much. I would guess it is part of a procedure to have that many agents there that could be looked at.

Bad analogy, you are assuming the 'victim' is telling the truth and the defendant is a liar, but this victim was unable to convince the local police or a court that his story was an accurate account. What if Bret Kavanaugh daughter got in the face of a young kid and was screaming obscenities at him, i would not have any compassion for Brett Kavanaugh's daughter. Time after time it is the left who is the side which has two standards when judging a case. It still blows my mind that a decent human being could watch all the footage available in the Rittenhouse case and conclude it was not self=defense. I do not care one iota in a criminal case what the color or the politics of an individual is, but the leftist media has trained an entire population that that is the most important factor in judging a case.

We are all just guessing what happened. Years being a sidewalk counselor is a red flag to me. Bringing a kid to this is another.

Honestly if someone got pissed at a person offering unsolicited advice to a person trying to “help” them on the way to make a very private and personal choice I’d understand.

 

[jon_mx]

About 2 more liberals and we will have the whole gang in here defending law enforcement. I bet that never happened before

Defend cops who kill or beat citizens = no

Defend cops serving warrants = yes

Many of the killing occurred while serving a warrent. The biggest difference here, the defendant provided zero resistance.

Support the cops who served this warrant = yes

Of course. What are they supposed to do tell their bosses no?

That could be an option if they felt this was truly unconscionable. They could whistleblow. Lots of different options. In any case I appreciate the nuance and the “defund the police” discussion could have used this.

The question that was being asked I though though was something how could “liberals” be supporting these cops and not others. I thought this was kind of a ridiculous point being made.

Some dude that is very much pro choice pushes someone down while protesting.
The police arrive, no charges are filed. A civil suit is tossed out of court.
1 year later 15 FBI agents surround the protestors house and cuff em and stuff em

How many of the left leaning posters that came in here defending the fbi would be doing it in that scenario?

I don't think people are saying the warrant execution was ideal/right here. What I think they're saying, which is a sentiment I agree with and at least the point being made by @whoknew , is that this type of warrant execution is the norm. As such, this isn't some selective prosecution or mistreatment of the suspect because of his political leanings.

Perhaps I'm jaded because I've spent significant time working in a jurisdiction primarily enforced by Sheriff Joe where these types of "show of force" warrant executions are the norm. Similarly, I've worked enough cases where the FBI was the primary investigatory agency that this story doesn't surprise me either.

If unclear, I'm not saying that the show of force was necessary or appropriate here. I'm saying that the display of such is not indicative of some sort of prejudice against this particular suspect or that we should conclude this is some vindictive enforcement by the "regime" or such nonsense.

Yeah, I don’t think Joe Biden sent the fbi to get this guy. About the only thing I’ve posted in this thread is the liberal posters’ reactions and how I thought (know) it’d be way different if the story didn’t involve the right to choose to have an abortion.

And fwiw, I’ve posted many times that I am most definitely pro choice

Nobody has said Joe Biden sent the FBI. But Joe Biden did appoint the prosecutor who is overseeing this case, who happens to be one of the biggest pro-abortion civil rights activist in DC.