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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
2nd time in a week that KC has put up 17. Hit the Phillies for 17 on Sunday.
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
And for Cards' ownership not to realize that is a disgrace to any baseball fan with a thimbleful amount of common sense.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
The 2007 Royals have had 4 seasons in one.1. Started 3-112. Went 16-17 from April 18 - May 233. Lost 7 in a row by BLOWOUT proportions the last week of May4. After tonight, have now gone 7-6 in the last 13.So, minus the seven game skid, which was all at home BTW, the Royals, after a 3-11 start, are a .500 baseball team exactly 23-23.There is definite progress.....but our SP after Meche, Bannister and De La Rosa is wretched. We need ZG to be a dominant SP not a dominant RP.Interesting stat - since May 20, if the Royals score 4 or more, they win, 3 or less, they lose. There is only one exception (5/27 vs. SEA)
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Embarrassing. Terrible. Pathetic. Shall I go on?The defending 2006 World Series Champions are getting slaughtered 17-8 to the.....Kansas City Royals.No better sign that your team has fallen upon hard times than giving up 17 runs to the Royals.
It was a different (and obviously hungrier) team last year. And if you disagree, all you have to do is take a look at the pitching staff of last year's team, and then look at the pitching staff of this year's team.
Capella
Footballguy
last year's team won 83 games. they were lucky to be in a #### division and backdoored the playoffs in the last weekend. yeah they got hot and beat the mets and the tigers, but they're probably the worst WS champ in history. I certainly can't think of a worse team.Ghost Rider said:
2000 Yankees and 1987 Twins weren't that great either...
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The Cardinals were better than an 83-win team, and anyone watched them regularly knew that. Izzy blew at least 5 or 6 games in the 9th inning because of an injury he was hiding. That was just one of many injuries that killed them during the regular season. And they went into auto-pilot at the end of the season, thinking that they had the division already wrapped up (like the 2000 Yankees), but almost blew it. Once the team got focused and healthy in the playoffs, we saw how good they were. That's how good they were last April and May before injuries really hurt them. As for worst champs ever, who really cares? The worst champion ever is still a champion.
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shadyridr
Footballguy
The Cardinals were better than an 83-win team, and anyone watched them regularly knew that. Izzy blew at least 5 or 6 games in the 9th inning because of an injury he was hiding. That was just one of many injuries that killed them during the regular season. And they went into auto-pilot at the end of the season, thinking that they had the division already wrapped up (like the 2000 Yankees), but almost blew it. Once the team got focused and healthy in the playoffs, we saw how good they were. That's how good they were last April and May before injuries really hurt them. As for worst champs ever, who really cares? The worst champion ever is still a champion.
You keep telling yourself that
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
The Cardinals were better than an 83-win team, and anyone watched them regularly knew that. Izzy blew at least 5 or 6 games in the 9th inning because of an injury he was hiding. That was just one of many injuries that killed them during the regular season. And they went into auto-pilot at the end of the season, thinking that they had the division already wrapped up (like the 2000 Yankees), but almost blew it. Once the team got focused and healthy in the playoffs, we saw how good they were. That's how good they were last April and May before injuries really hurt them. As for worst champs ever, who really cares? The worst champion ever is still a champion.
You keep telling yourself that
Get real Ghost Rider. They got lucky. Speizio returned from his Ballplayer of the Living Dead act in Seattle, Weaver got mysteriously hot in the playoffs, Wainwright, Kinney, and Tyler Johnson came out of nowhere and all three went on a tear, Yadier didn't hit like a typical Molina, and Chris Duncan became the second lefty masher (along with Edmonds) that we didn't have.Everything fell into place right at the same time. Sometimes, that's all you need to win (see Red Sox, 2004).
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
You guys do remember that the Cards number 2 starter (Mulder) and closer (Izzy) were hurt the whole year when they pitched and neither finished the season, right?
Molina inexplicably always hits better in the postseason than he does in the regular season. Look up the numbers.
Edmonds hit .250 in the postseason. Duncan hit .136. Yeah, those guys really mashed it up.
There is still no logical explanation for the postseason heroics of Anthony Reyes and Jeff Weaver, but that happens all of the time. Teams that win it all in every sport always get big contributions from unexpected players.
Yes, everything did fall into place for them at the right time, but all I am saying is the Cardinals were not your run-of-the-mill 83-win team. Injuries prevented them from amassing as good a record as they had in '04 and '05 (although those teams were a bit better overall), and playing in that crappy division obviously was huge, but like I said, they went into the playoffs healthy, and look at the result. Luck. Skill. Whatever you want to call it, they won it all. The Tigers were supposed to crush them, but instead got crushed, losing in 5 games!
Molina inexplicably always hits better in the postseason than he does in the regular season. Look up the numbers.
Edmonds hit .250 in the postseason. Duncan hit .136. Yeah, those guys really mashed it up.
There is still no logical explanation for the postseason heroics of Anthony Reyes and Jeff Weaver, but that happens all of the time. Teams that win it all in every sport always get big contributions from unexpected players.
Yes, everything did fall into place for them at the right time, but all I am saying is the Cardinals were not your run-of-the-mill 83-win team. Injuries prevented them from amassing as good a record as they had in '04 and '05 (although those teams were a bit better overall), and playing in that crappy division obviously was huge, but like I said, they went into the playoffs healthy, and look at the result. Luck. Skill. Whatever you want to call it, they won it all. The Tigers were supposed to crush them, but instead got crushed, losing in 5 games!
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Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Lets talk about the team who won this Show-Me battle.....
I would like to hear some non-KC, but also objective takes on how people see KC and the progress they have made.
I would like to hear some non-KC, but also objective takes on how people see KC and the progress they have made.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
I remember, and Weaver and Wainwright respectively were surprisingly good in their stead.
Prior to 2006 postseason:2004 NLCS- .250/.250/.250 4 AB 0 HR, 0 RBI
2004 WS- .000/.000/.000, 3 AB 0 HR, 0 RBI
2005 NLDS- .231/.231/.231 13 AB 0 HR, 3 RBI
2005 NLCS- .318/.318/.455 22 AB 0 HR, 0 RBI
Courtesy Baseball-Reference.com. Nothing about those numbers gives any credence to your claim that he "always hits better in the postseason".
Regular season down? .293/.363/.589 22 HR 43 RBI in 280 ABs down? Those are Chris Duncan's numbers in 2006 in late season action. If anything, their performance in the playoffs further HELPS my argument that their WS win was a sheer fluke.Edmonds hit .250 in the postseason. Duncan hit .136. Yeah, those guys really mashed it up.
Leave out the s in "scrappy" and you've described the NL Central. Because of their division, they played against essentially sub-.500 teams a majority of the time.
Central DivisionTeam W L WL% GBSt.Louis STL 83 78 .516 -- Houston HOU 82 80 .506 1.5Cincnnti CIN 80 82 .494 3.5Milwkee MIL 75 87 .463 8.5Pittsbgh PIT 67 95 .414 16.5ChicagoC CHC 66 96 .407 17.5The Cards were only 39-42 in the NL Central that season. That means, in half of their games, they had a losing record against vastly inferior competition. Plus, they were a very poor road team, going 34-47 last season on the road. Now, I'm not fanatical in my beliefs about home field advantage, but being the first year in the stadium with a solid fanbase, they did manage to go 49-31 at home.It took good fortune for the Marlins to win in 2003, it took DAMN good fortune for the Red Sox to turn it around in the ALCS and even make it to the WS in 2004. With the Cardinals, I guess you can give a little credit to homefield advantage if you're into that sort of thing, but it was just sheer luck. The Cards were really a .500 team last year.
shadyridr
Footballguy
You DO realize that Mulder & Isringhausen arent exactly good players?You guys do remember that the Cards number 2 starter (Mulder) and closer (Izzy) were hurt the whole year when they pitched and neither finished the season, right?
Molina inexplicably always hits better in the postseason than he does in the regular season. Look up the numbers.
Edmonds hit .250 in the postseason. Duncan hit .136. Yeah, those guys really mashed it up.
There is still no logical explanation for the postseason heroics of Anthony Reyes and Jeff Weaver, but that happens all of the time. Teams that win it all in every sport always get big contributions from unexpected players.
Yes, everything did fall into place for them at the right time, but all I am saying is the Cardinals were not your run-of-the-mill 83-win team. Injuries prevented them from amassing as good a record as they had in '04 and '05 (although those teams were a bit better overall), and playing in that crappy division obviously was huge, but like I said, they went into the playoffs healthy, and look at the result. Luck. Skill. Whatever you want to call it, they won it all. The Tigers were supposed to crush them, but instead got crushed, losing in 5 games!
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