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1999 Rams vs 2011 Packers (1 Viewer)
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wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
I think the Rams offense was quite a bit better as a whole.. I think Rodgers is quite a bit better than Warner though.
Give Rodgers
Marshall Faulk, Issac Bruce, Torry Holt and Orlando Pace to cover his blind side.... every passing and offensive record would have been broken multiple times. No knock on Warner, Rodgers is just Rodgers. Mike Martz was even made out to look like a super Genius with that crop of talent, look how he has done since without all of that HOF talent.
Give Rodgers
Marshall Faulk, Issac Bruce, Torry Holt and Orlando Pace to cover his blind side.... every passing and offensive record would have been broken multiple times. No knock on Warner, Rodgers is just Rodgers. Mike Martz was even made out to look like a super Genius with that crop of talent, look how he has done since without all of that HOF talent.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Rams had the better QB, better RB, better line and better receivers. Packers have a better TE.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
He's generally improved the stats of every team he's been an OC for since then. Haven't looked at the numbers for the Bears.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
LOL huh?
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Surprised Hoge would say that since Green Bay doesn't have a "factor back". Marshall Faulk was definitely a "factor back" so I would have assumed Hoge would be on board with the Rams.IMO Packers are better b/c Rodgers is better.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Hoge has always hated the Rams. Back in 1999-2001 when the Rams were good, he would still rip them. Faulk must have banged his wife or girlfriend
bulger2holt
Footballguy
2001 Rams > 1999 Rams
They just got out-coached on a certain game
They just got out-coached on a certain game
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Very true. The 2001 Rams had a much more difficult schedule than the 1999 Rams, who didn't beat a team with a winning record till the playoffs. The 2001 Rams had a murderous schedule, yet still went 14-2.
shnikies
Footballguy
1999 Faulk > 2001 Faulk12 yards per reception! What?!?!?
The Gator
Footballguy
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
Look, this packer team is very nice, but tons of Peyton Manning teams opened 8 or 9 or 10-0 and didn't go undefeated and didn't even win a title... let's wait here.
As for the offenses.. i pick the Rams... and even moreso I pick the '07 Pats in terms of historical offenses.
As for the offenses.. i pick the Rams... and even moreso I pick the '07 Pats in terms of historical offenses.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
The 2001 Rams would just destroy teams. They would have their starters on the sidelines halfway through the 4th quarter. If Hoody was coaching them, they would have scored 70 points some weeks. If you tried to stop the pass, Faulk would tear you up. Stack the box, Holt, Bruce, Hakim would run wild. It was like watching a video game. Faulk was the X factor.
Reepicheep
Footballguy
He's also generally led the league in sacks and turnovers wherever he goes. Cutler is a brave man.
Crash Davis
Footballguy
I'm a big fan of what Rodgers is doing...for my fantasy teams, but that Rams offense was ridiculous with a dual threat Faulk.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Glad to see folks peppering this thread with stats.
Agreed.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
these type of questions are always tough to answer b/c there are a few alltime great offenses lower on the list that weren't needed to score b/c they had legit nfl defenses and/or a balanced offense.
if my 94 niners had to score more to win games i think they could've broke 600pts. alas they had a elite defense had what they had back in the day called balance on offense.
for the question, being a 49er fan i saw a awful lot of those rams teams........can't go against them. that and if there are comparisons and the comparisons are close between a few offenses of different era's i always go with the offense of a earlier generation. as the farther you go back it was way more difficult to score since defense was allowed to be played.
if my 94 niners had to score more to win games i think they could've broke 600pts. alas they had a elite defense had what they had back in the day called balance on offense.
for the question, being a 49er fan i saw a awful lot of those rams teams........can't go against them. that and if there are comparisons and the comparisons are close between a few offenses of different era's i always go with the offense of a earlier generation. as the farther you go back it was way more difficult to score since defense was allowed to be played.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
1999 Rams:
Rushing = 2059 yards
Passing = 4580 yards
Total = 6639
TD's = 55
2001 Rams:
Rushing = 2027
Passing = 4903
Total= 6930
TD's = 57
2011 Packers (through 8 games):
Rushing = 835 / 1670
Passing = 2496 / 4992
Total = 3331 / 6662
TD's = 29 / 58
Verdict = 2001 Rams
I did not look up the Patriots
Rushing = 2059 yards
Passing = 4580 yards
Total = 6639
TD's = 55
2001 Rams:
Rushing = 2027
Passing = 4903
Total= 6930
TD's = 57
2011 Packers (through 8 games):
Rushing = 835 / 1670
Passing = 2496 / 4992
Total = 3331 / 6662
TD's = 29 / 58
Verdict = 2001 Rams
I did not look up the Patriots
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
HE'S GENERALLY IMPROVED THE STATS OF EVERY TEAM HE'S BEEN AN OC FOR SINCE THEN. HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS FOR THE BEARS.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Appreciate the translation here.
Fensalk
Footballguy
We could give the Packers offense a nickname. How about Cheese Spread?
Tau837
Footballguy
Rams.
The 1999 Rams were #1 in points, #1 in yards, #2 in first downs, had the #1 passing game, and also had a top 5 running game.
This year's Packers are #1 in points, #4 in yards, #7 in first downs, have the #1 passing game, and have a running game ranked in the 20-25 range.
It's reasonably close, but it's also true that the Packers still have half the season to play. I doubt they will maintain the pace they are currently on.
The 1999 Rams were #1 in points, #1 in yards, #2 in first downs, had the #1 passing game, and also had a top 5 running game.
This year's Packers are #1 in points, #4 in yards, #7 in first downs, have the #1 passing game, and have a running game ranked in the 20-25 range.
It's reasonably close, but it's also true that the Packers still have half the season to play. I doubt they will maintain the pace they are currently on.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
There is no way you can pick the Packers here.
biggamer3
Footballguy
actually there is, the Packers have yet to be stopped when i have watched them. I dont even think they roster a punter.Though Faulk probably puts the Rams over the Pack since he was just so damn good
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Based on the fact that the Packers are on pace for more yards and TDs?
Reepicheep
Footballguy
Masthay has a pretty easy job. Only 2 teams have attempted fewer punts (26 or about 3 per game), the Chargers and the Eagles. They are #1 and #3 in turnovers. (Packers are #30 with 8) He does have a nice leg, but his average is low because he's usually punting in opposition territory.
As far as the question at hand, I agree that for now you have to go with the Rams because of Faulk, and the Rams proved they could do it over 16 games. The Packers are certainly in a position to make a case over the next 8 games, though.Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Who was the TE on those Rams teams? Not that it mattered much since Martz was running the offense.
Dought Man
Footballguy
I know Az Hakim...and Jordy Nelson is no Az Hakim.
Native
Footballguy
Rick James
Footballguy
The numbers are pretty even between the '99 Rams and the '11 Packers, but I think the Rams were more impressive given the era in which they played.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
x2. Imagine that Rams offense in today's "wear a skirt" NFL. They'd have scored 50 a game. You could beat receivers up in those days. You could tackle the QB. This is why I hate comparing people more than 3 or 4 years apart. How good would Demarcus Ware be if he could head slap? How good would Polamalu be if he could clothesline people (legally).
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
LOL, leave it to Hoge to come up with such a asanine comparison.
There's one starter on this current GB offense (Finley) I'd take over what was in StL at that time. Yes, that includes QB.
There's one starter on this current GB offense (Finley) I'd take over what was in StL at that time. Yes, that includes QB.
sharptongued1
Footballguy
Please...Through eight games Rodgers(2619yds/24TD/3INT/72.5%/129QBR) numbers leave Warners(2161yds/24TD/5INT/68.8%/119QBR)in the rearview mirror, and that's not even accounting for Rodgers running.
No argument here
Eh, the only player that you for sure take over any Packers lineman is Pace. Personally, I'd rather have the Packers interior makeup of Lang/Wells/Sitton than the Rams with Nutten/Gruttadauria/Timmerman.
If you just stopped with the first two you'd be right. But the entire corps? Bruce/Holt/Hakim/Proehl isn't near as deep and talented overall as Jennings/Nelson/Jones/Driver/Cobb.
No contest, even though Roland Williams caught half a dozen touchdowns that year.
sharptongued1
Footballguy
Imagine the 2011 Packers playing a last place schedule and 11/16 games in a dome.
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Pack_Attack
Footballguy
The Packers will come back to Earth soon. They play their last 5 games in 2011 outdoors in cold weather cities. They need to hope the defense fixes itself, because there will be a drop off on offense.
December is when the dome helped the 1999 and 2001 Rams the most.
December is when the dome helped the 1999 and 2001 Rams the most.
Reepicheep
Footballguy
I assume you're a Packers fan based on your username. Have you had a look at Rodgers' numbers in outdoor games in Nov-Jan last year?The Packers will come back to Earth soon. They play their last 5 games in 2011 outdoors in cold weather cities. They need to hope the defense fixes itself, because there will be a drop off on offense.December is when the dome helped the 1999 and 2001 Rams the most.
The 99 Rams were also new and unexpected. Martz just became the OC after Vermeil had overseen the Rams for two pretty bad years. Trent Green was signed as a free agent to be the start QB and got hurt in the preseason. They also just traded for Marshall Faulk, who was good, but not spectacular with the Colts. So no one was expecting anything from the 99 Rams. Also, Tory Holt was a rookie. So this was pretty much a new, and unknown offense.
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