2 QB League Strategy. Take a QB #1 overall? (1 Viewer)

[atl3695]

In a 2QB league with strangers that you don't know draft tendencies, how high should you take a QB? If Qb's get scoring value (6 pts per TD, bonus at 300 yards,etc.) is it crazy to take a QB #1 overall?

It seems that teams up front should still take a stud RB and then hope someone like Schaub /Romo/Brady fall to the end of round 2. However, a qb run will leave you looking at guys like Flacco or Eli. In 2 QB leagues, the draft dominator list Bress, Rodgers, Manning, and Romo all having more value than Chris Johnson.

Should the 2qb format knock the stud QB's ahead of the stud RB's on the draft boards of teams picking up front?

 

[Sabertooth]

I think so. It is simply a matter of scarcity. There are only 32 starting qbs. Backup QBs rarely ever get any points. Whereas there are many cases of RBBC in the league where the backup RB will get points on a given week.

 

[LittlePhatty]

How many teams are in the league?

 

[atl3695]

How many teams are in the league?

I was interested in value in a standard 12 team league.

 

[jude]

In a 2QB league with strangers that you don't know draft tendencies, how high should you take a QB? If Qb's get scoring value (6 pts per TD, bonus at 300 yards,etc.) is it crazy to take a QB #1 overall?It seems that teams up front should still take a stud RB and then hope someone like Schaub /Romo/Brady fall to the end of round 2. However, a qb run will leave you looking at guys like Flacco or Eli. In 2 QB leagues, the draft dominator list Bress, Rodgers, Manning, and Romo all having more value than Chris Johnson.Should the 2qb format knock the stud QB's ahead of the stud RB's on the draft boards of teams picking up front?

in 2QB league with 12 managers and 6pt passing TD's with 300 yard passing bonus. Yes, you should be dradting a QB first and probably 2nd too. They are going to be far and away the most valuable players in your league.

 

[Koya]

While a lot depends upon your league scoring and other owner tendencies, something that should not be overlooked in 2QB leagues is the fact that while there is more scarcity in overall QBs vs. RBs, there is more scarcity in RBs that get most carries vs. QBs that get most snaps. For example, how quickly does the RB pool end up in real committee players, whereas the #20 QB taken will still get just about every meaningful snap for that team.

Additoinally, if you are picking so high, you have a far better chance to get a decent QB (or two) at the 2/3 turn, at which point you may already be into time share RBs.

I think top of the first you have a choice, but with 2 or so RBs above the others, you may gain more value by going RB then looking QB at the next turn or at the 4/5 turn, when many teams won't yet have taken a second QB.

 

[CalBear]

While a lot depends upon your league scoring and other owner tendencies, something that should not be overlooked in 2QB leagues is the fact that while there is more scarcity in overall QBs vs. RBs, there is more scarcity in RBs that get most carries vs. QBs that get most snaps. For example, how quickly does the RB pool end up in real committee players, whereas the #20 QB taken will still get just about every meaningful snap for that team.

But on the other hand, you need to draft 3 QBs and you'll be starting your third in at least two games for bye week coverage. So there will be a minimum of 36 QBs drafted, four of whom are not starters. The 36th RB will still put up points.

 

[texasheat]

If you pass on a QB with the first pick just assume you won't get a top 7 QB, which is fine b/c you'll have CJ.

Chris Johnson and one of Flacco/Ryan/Rivers (maybe even get two of these since you pick back to back) would be a good start imo. With taking CJ first and getting QBs at the 2/3 turn you have the chance to have the best RB and the best DUO at QB. No one else will be able to say that.

 

[Koya]

While a lot depends upon your league scoring and other owner tendencies, something that should not be overlooked in 2QB leagues is the fact that while there is more scarcity in overall QBs vs. RBs, there is more scarcity in RBs that get most carries vs. QBs that get most snaps. For example, how quickly does the RB pool end up in real committee players, whereas the #20 QB taken will still get just about every meaningful snap for that team.

But on the other hand, you need to draft 3 QBs and you'll be starting your third in at least two games for bye week coverage. So there will be a minimum of 36 QBs drafted, four of whom are not starters. The 36th RB will still put up points.

Most leagues I know have a flex option that you would usually prefer be a second QB, but could be another position (because of the fact you brought about). If you HAVE to start two QBs, I would want to get at least 4 viable ones, and that might be very difficult as others would look to do the same.

 

[Lascelle]

Without knowing drafting tendencies in a 12-man, 6-Point, 2-QB league with the 1st overall pick, I'd almost be looking to trade down if that was a possibility. But in a redraft league that's not necessarily possible.

Even so, I'd still roll the dice with someone like Rodgers over Johnson just due to the scarcity factor. Some of those guys behind you will be going QB-QB and it's highly likely that a high upside RB like a Mathews / Charles / Greene / Stewart will still be kicking around at the turn. QBs will be treated like gold in this format and it is very difficult to recover without having at least one solid reliable weekly option there whereas you can make up ground for the lack of a premium RB in other ways. In my 2-QB league, nobody has ever contended for a title without at least one top tier QB.

If you go with CJ, you'll almost be committed to going QB-QB in Rounds 2 & 3 whereas going with Rodgers/Brees/Manning will afford you the chance to scoop up RB/WR values that get overlooked by the Round 2-3 turn.

Of course, there's always the possibility that you'll be playing with people who don't know any better who will let a Schaub or Romo fall to the late 2nd round but I wouldn't want to have to count on it.

 

[LittlePhatty]

I was interested in value in a standard 12 team league.

League size will make a difference. 12 Teams would bump up QB value because a minimum of 4 owners are destined to have bye week issues. There aren't enough starters in the NFL for every team to carry 3 QB so there will be a rush to grab up even the bottom of the barrel type QBs. This is why 10 Team leagues are more common if you are required to start 2 QB.I think I would prefer drafting in the middle of the pack in such a league. You're less likely to get stuck at the end of a run on a position.

 

[SYMPHONY X]

I have been in a start 2QB league for 3 years, 10 team league, awarding 6pts per TD pass, and a 300yd bonus. You are basically out of it from the start without at least one top QB. The top tier QB's outscore the lower tier QB's by quite a large margin. It is hard to make up that differential with the rest of your team if you are relying on guys like Matt Ryan and Jason Campbell as your starters.

To give you an idea of my success (up until the playoffs anyways) with 2 top QB's, I had Rodgers/Brady last year, was thin at RB all year, but hit on some solid WR's later in the draft. I lead the league in scoring all year, and was the #1 seed in my playoffs, without much at all at RB. Then week 14 came..Rodgers/Brady combined to throw for 1 friggin touchdown..you can guess what happened to me.

So, if you go with 2 stud QB's, make sure their matchups don't suck in week 14!

 

[LawFitz]

Try lowering your TD pass points to 4 or making one of the two QBs a flex.

 

[yaheRRdme]

We have a start 2 qb league for the last 10 years.. and in our league if you pass on a QB at 1, you can count on everyone else having at least 1 qb some may have 2 qbs before you pick again... it will be about even for qbs & rbs... then 1 or 2 wrs gone in the first 2 rounds

 

[ookook]

I have won in 2 QB leagues waiting to take a QB until all my starting RB and WR slots are full. So taking 3 or so in rounds 6 to 9.

You just have to pick well.

Is basically same QBBC logic.

So I say "no".

 

[Doug B]

If you pass on a QB with the first pick just assume you won't get a top 7 QB, which is fine b/c you'll have CJ. Chris Johnson and one of Flacco/Ryan/Rivers (maybe even get two of these since you pick back to back) would be a good start imo. With taking CJ first and getting QBs at the 2/3 turn you have the chance to have the best RB and the best DUO at QB. No one else will be able to say that.

Can't use the way QBs fall in start-1-QB leagues as a guide.When I've played start-2-QB leagues with 12 guys, about 14-16 QBs got picked in the first two rounds.

 

[atl3695]

I have been in a start 2QB league for 3 years, 10 team league, awarding 6pts per TD pass, and a 300yd bonus. You are basically out of it from the start without at least one top QB. The top tier QB's outscore the lower tier QB's by quite a large margin. It is hard to make up that differential with the rest of your team if you are relying on guys like Matt Ryan and Jason Campbell as your starters. To give you an idea of my success (up until the playoffs anyways) with 2 top QB's, I had Rodgers/Brady last year, was thin at RB all year, but hit on some solid WR's later in the draft. I lead the league in scoring all year, and was the #1 seed in my playoffs, without much at all at RB. Then week 14 came..Rodgers/Brady combined to throw for 1 friggin touchdown..you can guess what happened to me.So, if you go with 2 stud QB's, make sure their matchups don't suck in week 14!

Did you go Rodgers and Brady in Rounds 1 and 2 or were you able to get them later?

 

[atl3695]

I have won in 2 QB leagues waiting to take a QB until all my starting RB and WR slots are full. So taking 3 or so in rounds 6 to 9.You just have to pick well. Is basically same QBBC logic.So I say "no".

After Round 6 wouldn't you be looking at QB15 at best? I know points from the other positions offset the qb, but it puts you in a big hole. What Qb's would you target in that range this year knowing that you would have start 2?

 

[Instinctive]

Matchups in week 14 look very different as week 14 approaches compared to the way they look now. Everything changes year to year in the NFL.

I would definitely take Rodgers or Manning first overall. Then I'd hope for a decent QB at the turn, but might take a Moss/Roddy combo (I assume mostly RBs go but AJ gets taken) or something of the like.

Remember that with everyone taking QBs, you can simply start with the best one and then get the best WR corps as well, and then when everyone else takes WRs and more QBs, you can get a 2nd QB and a bunch of RB value.

Rodgers

Eli/Flacco (I think could be there at turn?) McNabb/Palmer, Campbell, Cassel or Stafford if you go WRs at turn

Moss

White (or other if you go with a QB at turn)

Bradshaw

Spiller

M Bush

R Bush

I would love that team. If you wanted to get one less of those backs, I bet you could get a top TE at the 4/5 turn as well. I think you're in an awesome situation.

 

[LittlePhatty]

I have won in 2 QB leagues waiting to take a QB until all my starting RB and WR slots are full. So taking 3 or so in rounds 6 to 9.

Sounds like a bad idea in a 12 team league (which is what the OP asked about). You'd probably wind up with:QB1 - Mark SanchezQB2 - Trent EdwardsQB3 - Byron LeftwichHere's what people don't understand if they have never drafted in a QB-happy league. If everyone is grabbing QBs early, those picks fill up holes and other skill position players drop. You get to pickup Roddy White in the late 3rd, or Pierre Thomas in the middle of the 4th. This is how it goes when Kolb and Flacco are being taken as early as Round 3. You may think you have an advantage by pickup up RBs and WRs instead of grabbing Philip Rivers in Round 2 when you had the chance, but guess what? The owners who took Brees and Rodgers in the 1st are ALSO taking advantage of those RBs and WRs that dropped to the 3rd and 4th rounds, and they have the freedom to draft RB and WR all day long because they have their QB position taken care of already.12 owners X 3 QB each = 36Last I looked there were only 32 teams in the NFL.Grab 'em early and often, or you'll be sorry.

 

[LittlePhatty]

In a 2QB league with strangers that you don't know draft tendencies, how high should you take a QB?

Also, I keep meaning to add - is this a startup league?If not, ask them to see last year's draft results. I think that's a totally reasonable request if you are new to the league.

 

[atl3695]

In a 2QB league with strangers that you don't know draft tendencies, how high should you take a QB?

Also, I keep meaning to add - is this a startup league?If not, ask them to see last year's draft results. I think that's a totally reasonable request if you are new to the league.

No its not a startup. A guy that signed up for a couple of my online leagues asked me to join his. Its him and 9 other local guys that have been in the league for a few years. This year they decided to expand from 10 teams to 12. So I am not sure if these guys correctly value QB's or not. Especially since this is the first year playing with 12 teams. I would hate to take a QB at #1 and then the draft goes like a regular draft with only 3 QB's or so taken in the first 2 rounds and I miss out on CJ to go along with 2 of the remaining premier QB's. This year they also added .5 pts per completion. Seems like its best to just play it safe and get Brees and best available at 24,25.I like your idea of asking for last year's draft but since its online I doubt it is still available.

 

[SYMPHONY X]

I have been in a start 2QB league for 3 years, 10 team league, awarding 6pts per TD pass, and a 300yd bonus. You are basically out of it from the start without at least one top QB. The top tier QB's outscore the lower tier QB's by quite a large margin. It is hard to make up that differential with the rest of your team if you are relying on guys like Matt Ryan and Jason Campbell as your starters. To give you an idea of my success (up until the playoffs anyways) with 2 top QB's, I had Rodgers/Brady last year, was thin at RB all year, but hit on some solid WR's later in the draft. I lead the league in scoring all year, and was the #1 seed in my playoffs, without much at all at RB. Then week 14 came..Rodgers/Brady combined to throw for 1 friggin touchdown..you can guess what happened to me.So, if you go with 2 stud QB's, make sure their matchups don't suck in week 14!

Did you go Rodgers and Brady in Rounds 1 and 2 or were you able to get them later?

I am actually in a keep 3 keeper league, so they were my 2 of my keepers last year. Have had Brady for a number of years, and picked up Rodgers before his breakout. In a redraft, would be pretty tough to pair them up, especially with the #1 pick. You could grab Rodgers or Brees, and then best available QB and RB or WR with your 2nd/3rd pick. I guess I wouldn't really want the #1 pick in a 12-team, start 2 QB league. Although, if everyone scoops up QB's in rounds 1 and 2, you would almost be guaranteed a top RB and top WR with your 2/3 pick at the turn. Then grab best available QB with your 4th pick. I like what someone else posted as a strategy for start 2QB leagues this year: Go something like QB/QB/WR/WR, depending on how things are falling, then grab about 3 or 4 RB's in a row. You don't necessarily need to be strong at RB this year early on, and if one or two of your later round fliers at RB hits, then you're golden.Good luck!

 

[LittlePhatty]

This year they also added .5 pts per completion. Seems like its best to just play it safe and get Brees and best available at 24,25.

OK this just got border-line silly. If you have the 1.01, take either Brees, Rodgers or Manning and don't think twice.Seriously. You just broke my VBD calculator.

.5 per completion

12 teams

Must start 2 QB

...that puts 19 QBs in the Top 50 overall value list. It has Garrard rated above Marques Colston. I'd almost call this league "broken".

 

[SYMPHONY X]

This year they also added .5 pts per completion. Seems like its best to just play it safe and get Brees and best available at 24,25.

OK this just got border-line silly. If you have the 1.01, take either Brees, Rodgers or Manning and don't think twice.Seriously. You just broke my VBD calculator.

.5 per completion

12 teams

Must start 2 QB

...that puts 19 QBs in the Top 50 overall value list. It has Garrard rated above Marques Colston. I'd almost call this league "broken".

I missed the .5 pts per completion part..yeah, Brees/Rodgers at #1 is a no-brainer with that thrown in. Take one of em, and do what you can to grab a solid #2QB in round 2/3 as well.