Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
2 Round Mock Draft (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter westbrook36
- Start date
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I like my Bears draft....although they would take Flacco over Woodson.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
You couldn't let DeSean fall to the Eagles? And you took another lineman?
Too bad you are probably right.
Nice job on the first 10 picks.
And is that accurate about Car and the 4 starting QBs? I though Philly actually started 4 in '91 when Randall went down and we had Cunningham, McMahon, Ryan, Kemp and Goebel. Link
Too bad you are probably right.
Nice job on the first 10 picks.
And is that accurate about Car and the 4 starting QBs? I though Philly actually started 4 in '91 when Randall went down and we had Cunningham, McMahon, Ryan, Kemp and Goebel. Link
Last edited by a moderator:
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Very good job. I really like the different approach with the RB's. Having just two in the 1st and 4 in the second is definitly different.
I really like Rice and can see him going that early, but I'm a bigger fan of F.Jones and can't see Rice going ahead of him.
Very nice job though.
I really like Rice and can see him going that early, but I'm a bigger fan of F.Jones and can't see Rice going ahead of him.
Very nice job though.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
As a Seahawk fan I would be so happy if your 1st/2nd round picks are right
VaCatFan
Footballguy
One more time. Carolina will NOT draft a QB in the first round, let alone the first 3 rounds. Fox and Hurney have 1 year to prove they can win. They're not going to waste a first round pick on a guy who's going to sit on the bench and learn his first year. 2nd round is just as bad. You have us picking a linebacker to replace Morgan in the middle of the defense. Ever heard of a guy by the name of Jon Beason? Carolina was looking at OT squarely in the eyes prior to resigning Travelle Wharton. With his extended contract, that makes the need somewhat less as they're expected to franchise Gross if they can't get a deal. If however Clady is there, I don't think they'd be able to pass him up. He'd probably start at LT with Wharton at LG. If he's not there, then Derrick Harvey at DE to bookend Peppers would be a nice selection. In the 2nd round, I'd look at DT or FS. Defense will most likely be the picks in the first and 2nd now with DE, DT, or FS being the picks depending on what they can pull out of free agency.
Last edited by a moderator:
treat88
Footballguy
Just my 2 cents, but I'd bet money that the Steelers will look at Branden Albert in 1 long before Cherilus.
Cherilus is pure RT. Albert is a LG with potential to kick to LT.
Faneca is gone and Smith is likely gone next season.
The Steelers always go BPA at the position of need and it's too perfect a fit.
Cherilus is pure RT. Albert is a LG with potential to kick to LT.
Faneca is gone and Smith is likely gone next season.
The Steelers always go BPA at the position of need and it's too perfect a fit.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Not a fan of the Jets draft. Far too many "more important" holes to fill for them to be spending high picks on skill players IMO. Ideally, DE/OLB at 6, and best lineman available at 36.
Edit: love the Rice to Arizona pick. I think that would make him rookie 1.04 in my book, but Jones and Charles are going to nice situations also.
Edit: love the Rice to Arizona pick. I think that would make him rookie 1.04 in my book, but Jones and Charles are going to nice situations also.
Last edited by a moderator:
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Best part: pick 1.31 New England - forfeited for cheating
B Maverick
Footballguy
One more time. Carolina will NOT draft a QB in the first round, let alone the first 3 rounds. Fox and Hurney have 1 year to prove they can win. They're not going to waste a first round pick on a guy who's going to sit on the bench and learn his first year. 2nd round is just as bad. You have us picking a linebacker to replace Morgan in the middle of the defense. Ever heard of a guy by the name of Jon Beason? Carolina was looking at OT squarely in the eyes prior to resigning Travelle Wharton. With his extended contract, that makes the need somewhat less as they're expected to franchise Gross if they can't get a deal. If however Clady is there, I don't think they'd be able to pass him up. He'd probably start at LT with Wharton at LG. If he's not there, then Derrick Harvey at DE to bookend Peppers would be a nice selection. In the 2nd round, I'd look at DT or FS. Defense will most likely be the picks in the first and 2nd now with DE, DT, or FS being the picks depending on what they can pull out of free agency.
sAlittle different with the 2 rbs in the 1st and 4 in the 2nd. Jamaal Charles makes a lot of sense to Dallas. As the holder of the #2 rookie pick in my dynasty I would love mendenhall in Houston.Carolina has Delhomme and it looks like they are high on both Moore and Beasenz (sp?) and I think they will pass on other qbs to go with them. The Chargers 1 pick looks nice. DT, ILB, Oline are all needs so picking up Williams replacement will make them deeper and better against the run.I also think Woodsen falls, too many comparisons to Leftwhich with his slow delivery. Flacco to Chi makes a lot of sense. Local boy who is rising up the charts with his senior bowl play.
3nOut
Footballguy
I think i agree. If the Bears believe that Flacco could fall to them in a later round, they'd be better off waiting and using their second rounder on another need.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I'd tend to agree with what you're saying, but I hope you're wrong if it breaks like this.I'm not the biggest proponent of Cherilus, but I get a very bad vibe from Albert. If the top OTs are off the board I hope the Steelers decide to take a look at guys like Balmer, etc. rather than going after a G in round one. There are others that I like better than/just as well as Albert that they could get in round 2 or 3, IMO.
westbrook36
Footballguy
Your right it only ties the record. somebody else pointed out the 98 saints as well. A Panthers fan told me this, but I should have thought about it more first. How could I forget the 91' Birds, with that defense.MPeterson- TY. I could definitely see Stewart go in the first, but it just did not fall that way in this mock. There is a few first round talents who slip to the 2nd round.You couldn't let DeSean fall to the Eagles? And you took another lineman?
Too bad you are probably right.
Nice job on the first 10 picks.
And is that accurate about Car and the 4 starting QBs? I though Philly actually started 4 in '91 when Randall went down and we had Cunningham, McMahon, Ryan, Kemp and Goebel. Link
VaCatFan- Well I don't know about Jon Fox's job security, but I do know Carolina would be foolish to not draft a QB. Jake Delhomme is old, playing poorly, and coming off rotator cuff surgery. David Carr just flat out stinks, and is rumored to be cut. Matt Moore is an undrafted rookie who looked great in the pre-season, but not so great in the regular season. He seems like a project who will take years to develop. As far as MLB goes, I have no problem with Jon Beason. He is a beast, but I think he could move to the WILL, and Wheeler could start at MLB. This would make Na'il Diggs a solid backup, instead of an average starter. I could also see the Panthers going o-line since they cut Wahle, and may lose Gross.
treat- You could be right there. Albert is a beast, and the more teams get a look at him, the more he will shoot up in the draft.
sheerterror- You have a point there. At one time while doing this, I had the Jets taking Quentin Groves in the 2nd round. He fits that hybrid DE/OLB mold, and could be a great pass rusher off the edge. I just heard rumors that Coles is going to be moved so I changed it to Doucet. McFadden was kind of a best player available deal. Similar to how Minnesota took Adrian Peterson last year.
Michael J- That is the best part. HAHA
B Maverick, 3nout, benson will lead the way- I could definitely see the Bears taking Flacco. I also do not think a ton of Woodson. He may fall to the 3rd or 4th round even.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Interesting at least.
Horrible filthy stinking site though.
Horrible filthy stinking site though.
massraider
Footballguy
I wouldn't be mad with Ellis/Sweed for the Raiders.
One observation: Anyone ever notice that fans always rant that the the best teams draft the best available athlete, but god forbid a mock has their own team taking BPA, and not filling a need.
One observation: Anyone ever notice that fans always rant that the the best teams draft the best available athlete, but god forbid a mock has their own team taking BPA, and not filling a need.
For what it's worth, Delhomme will be 33 this year - that's not too bad for a QB who doesn't have a whole lot of NFL wear and tear on him - his first life as a starting QB was only back in 2003. He has plenty of tread on his tires. As for the surgery, it was elbow (Tommy John surgery) not shoulder (rotator cuff).westbrook36 said:
westbrook36
Footballguy
Yes TY for the correction there. Tommy John surgery is evern worse. 33 coming off Tommy John = you need to draft another QB.
VaCatFan
Footballguy
Delhomme is already throwing and is fully expected to be ready for camp. He's reporting no issues with the elbow (had a bone spur removed to go along with the Tommy John surgery). As to playing badly, before he was injured, he was throwing to the clip of 8td's, 1int, 624yds, and a 111.8 rating. That was through 3 games. Project that out a bit and you come up with 40tds and 5ints. Of course he probably wouldn't have hit those numbers, but conservatively you're looking at 30-35td's, 8ints, and probably 3500-4000yds. I'll take that any day out of my starting qb. Add that to the fact that Fox and Hurney have gone on record to say that they believe it's not worth drafting a qb in the first round because "by the time they're ready to start, they're contract is due for renewal". On Moore, he did more than was expected. With the proper preparation, he went 2-1. In those games, which were played conservatively due to the nature of him being an undrafted free agent, he had 3tds, 2ints, and 564 yds, with a 86.1 rating. Pro-rate that out and you're probably looking at 15-10 and roughly 3000yds. For a rookie, not terrible, but certainly not great. Compare that to this QB who had much better weapons as a 2nd year starter than Moore had to play with last year: 18/18 2987yds, 77 rating and was drafted much higher. As to Beason, he's going to stay at mlb. It's his natural position and he's flourishing in it. What many people fail to understand about the Panthers is that they "HATE" to start a rookie. If you look at last years draft, the only rookie who started all season was Beason, and that was pretty much due to injuries to Morgan and Diggs. Kalil got a start late in the season, also due to injuries and Charles Johnson may have gotten one as well. They also have a guy in Tim Shaw from Penn St. who's being groomed as the weak side lb to play with Beason and Tommy Davis. LB is not a need right now.
Last edited by a moderator:
radiohead417
Footballguy
Mock drafts are like... well let's just say everyone has one.
Good work on it, but please please double-check your grammar.
"I was looking for the best WR prospect here… just kidding Lion’s fans."
Those things make mocks look unprofessional.
Good work on it, but please please double-check your grammar.
"I was looking for the best WR prospect here… just kidding Lion’s fans."
Those things make mocks look unprofessional.
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
You may be overlooking the fact that he does have the Bengals making the choice.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I would like seeing Rodgers-Cromartie drop to the Pack as I think he's a special talent in an area that GB needs depth and youth.
I don't like the 2nd pick at all. I don't think a 2nd round TE would make sense at all for GB, especially when DaJuan Morgan, Erin Henderson, and Anthony Collins were all still available. Morgan would be sweet b/c the Pack would take care of their secondary issues with their first 2 picks of the draft. Henderson would be nice b/c he would join Barnett and Hawk, replacing Poppinga, to make that GB LB corp even better with another playmaker. Collins would be awesome b/c he's an athletic OT from Kansas who could add great depth to the existing OL, and possibly be the LT of the future. Collins could rise up the boards though above guys like Cherilus and Otah so I'm not holding my breath.
So, to summarize.....No TE please.
I don't like the 2nd pick at all. I don't think a 2nd round TE would make sense at all for GB, especially when DaJuan Morgan, Erin Henderson, and Anthony Collins were all still available. Morgan would be sweet b/c the Pack would take care of their secondary issues with their first 2 picks of the draft. Henderson would be nice b/c he would join Barnett and Hawk, replacing Poppinga, to make that GB LB corp even better with another playmaker. Collins would be awesome b/c he's an athletic OT from Kansas who could add great depth to the existing OL, and possibly be the LT of the future. Collins could rise up the boards though above guys like Cherilus and Otah so I'm not holding my breath.
So, to summarize.....No TE please.
Last edited by a moderator:
Avery
Footballguy
Giants homer feedback.
The Giants just don't draft first round OL.
Outside of Pettigout, you have to go back almost 20 years to 1989 (Center Brian Williams) to find a first round OL pick by the Giants. Furthermore, they barely even draft first day OL, only 4 OL on the first day since Williams, I believe.
Given the success that they had this past season, I don't expect them to divert from that blueprint, unless a great OL drops to the bottom of the first round. I'd look for BPA of the defensive back seven in round 1 unless a special players (especially a WR) drops in their laps.
The Giants just don't draft first round OL.
Outside of Pettigout, you have to go back almost 20 years to 1989 (Center Brian Williams) to find a first round OL pick by the Giants. Furthermore, they barely even draft first day OL, only 4 OL on the first day since Williams, I believe.
Given the success that they had this past season, I don't expect them to divert from that blueprint, unless a great OL drops to the bottom of the first round. I'd look for BPA of the defensive back seven in round 1 unless a special players (especially a WR) drops in their laps.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
If the Bills don't take a DT in round 1 or 2 I'm going to be very, very, very upset
TLEF316
Footballguy
Agree. Other than Nose tackle, the jets major needs (pass rush, O-line) should be able to addressed at some point on the first day of the draft. If we take McFaddon(who i don't feel is even close to the prospect that ADP was/is) only to see the Pats nab Gholston 1 pick later, I might just jump off a bridge. Year 1- Mcfadden averages <4 YPC behind a terrible run blocking unit. I'd foresee a whole lot of those big sweeps he likes to run being cut down in the backfield because the right side of our O-line just flat out blows.Gholston makes an immediate contribution as a situational pass rusheryear 3- Mcfadden starts to wear down, as the lower half of his body isn't built to take the pounding this O-line would allow to be put on himGholston gets double digit sacks and makes the pro-bowl. Bottom Line, If the jets decide to draft Mcfadden, they better spend HUGE MONEY on a LG and a RT. (and pull an elite pass rush prospect out of their ###) Otherwise, you might as well just throw McFadden's career (and the next 5 years of this franchise) down the toilet. He'll get killed.EDIT: If the jets pick DMC at 6, and then Stewart is available with our 2nd rounder I'm done. Seriously.
Last edited by a moderator:
sheerterror
Footballguy
Agreed 100% on McFadden vs. Gholston, that's why it bothers me so much to see so many mocks putting him with the Jets. Is he the explosive playmaker that this team needs on offense? Possibly - but how effective would he be behind this o-line? He certainly doesn't seem to be built to be a 3 down, 20 carry/game workhorse back, so why spend the pick and the money on it with so many other glaring needs? IMO, McFadden needs to be paired with a Marion Barber-type back in order to be utilized most effectively...we don't have that. We've got Jones and Washington, who are not world beaters by any means, but Jones is consistent and will be better if the line is upgraded, and Washington, whether people want to believe it or not, is a playmaker - he just doesn't get nearly enough touches. The bottom line is that running backs are always available, either via FA or the draft...I'm not worried about not having an elite RB a few years from now, because somebody could always be acquired and perform well provided our offensive line is improved. Elite pass rushers are not nearly as readily available, and have a much longer shelf life than RBs (especially ones who's durability already comes into question). I just pray that with such a valuable commodity, the Jets make the right move from a personnel and monetary standpoint, and invest in defense at #6.ETA: just realized I accidentally called Gholston Colston.
Last edited by a moderator:
westbrook36
Footballguy
I will play devils advocate here. The Giants may have not drafted o-line in the first round, but you have a new GM. This is only Jerry Reese's 2nd draft, and it is too early to say he will follow that mold. Plus having the 32nd pick is basically a 2nd rounder anyways.I could see them going DB early though.
Avery
Footballguy
Valid but Reese has been with the Giants since 1994 and earned his stripes under Accorsi who is not high on taking OL high very often.Plus it's only the 31st pick thanks to the cheatin' Pats.
westbrook36
Footballguy
Well Beason obviously can play MLB well, but he mainly played OLB at Miami. I would say he is probably better suited to play OLB. I did forget that the Panthers drafted Tim Shaw. Shaw would be better off at ILB, since he played that at Penn State. I will agree that the Panthers are ok at LB though. I will change that pick for the next mock.What position do you think Carolina would go after in the first round if they do not go QB? OT? S? DE?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
baldbird
Footballguy
Ryan, Kemp and Goebel Man I was hoping i would never have to see those guy names again . Now that brings back some painfull memories .You couldn't let DeSean fall to the Eagles? And you took another lineman?
Too bad you are probably right.
Nice job on the first 10 picks.
And is that accurate about Car and the 4 starting QBs? I though Philly actually started 4 in '91 when Randall went down and we had Cunningham, McMahon, Ryan, Kemp and Goebel. Link
Rovers
Footballguy
I agree with all the previous posters as far as the Jets go.... you could not be more wrong. The Jets biggest needs are a NT and a pass rush, but even more importantly, help on the O line at LG and RT in the worst way. I think the Jets might look for a sleeper WR early on day two, but not day 1. Jones and Washington are a decent enough RBC.... no way do I see McFadden to the Jets.... just NO way. Can he pick up a blitz? This team, CS and FO have to turn this team around immediately. That is done on the lines. The Jets will do all they can to trade down.
If they didn't go QB, OT, S or DE with the 13th pick, I can see them taking either a...Cornerback - Leodis McKelvin or Aqib Talib - whichever one hasn't been selectedDefensive Tackle - perhaps Carolina's own Kentwan Balmer?Wide Receiver - A comparable play maker to go along with Smitty. Someone with some size. Someone like Malcolm Kelly if the Bills don't take him at 1.11Running Back - Jonathan Stewart. A bigger short-yardage compliment to DeAngelo Williams.
Last edited by a moderator:
JAA
Footballguy
Are you sure? I thought they showed him over and over getting beat from the RT side. The safety, etc. I watched the game, but I thought I recalled seeing those replays over and OVER and over again.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I would think the NYJ would be giddy to have those 1st 2 picks, they need more offensive weapons.I like Ray Rice alot also. I think he'll be the "best" rb out of this class.
TLEF316
Footballguy
It doesn't matter who your skill players are when you have a 2nd year QB (who is far from a sure thing) An average LT (at best) 2 lousy guards and the worst RT in the league. The jets will never be able to acquire enough skill players to put up the points that the AFC powers are gonna put up against our defense. No pass rushers, no good 3-4 D-Linemen. RB and WR are NOT the problem. Drafting someone at either position is a luxury the jets can not afford right now.
westbrook36
Footballguy
Well you have a point there, but what about this hypothetical. If you think there is a potential STUD RB available and a solid OT available, do you take the tackles because that is a bigger team need? I say you always take the most talented player as long as he can fit on your team. Sure they will need an o-line to win games, but maybe they get that later in the draft, through free agency, or next year even. The Jets surely are not going to win the Super Bowl next year, so why not just draft the best player available?
westbrook36
Footballguy
Think TE makes sense now that they cut Bubba Franks?I would like seeing Rodgers-Cromartie drop to the Pack as I think he's a special talent in an area that GB needs depth and youth.I don't like the 2nd pick at all. I don't think a 2nd round TE would make sense at all for GB, especially when DaJuan Morgan, Erin Henderson, and Anthony Collins were all still available. Morgan would be sweet b/c the Pack would take care of their secondary issues with their first 2 picks of the draft. Henderson would be nice b/c he would join Barnett and Hawk, replacing Poppinga, to make that GB LB corp even better with another playmaker. Collins would be awesome b/c he's an athletic OT from Kansas who could add great depth to the existing OL, and possibly be the LT of the future. Collins could rise up the boards though above guys like Cherilus and Otah so I'm not holding my breath.So, to summarize.....No TE please.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Maybe, but definitely not in the 2nd round. They have Lee, they don't need to spend a 2nd rounder on a TE that's taking Bubba's place. They could get a cheap TE in FA or late in the draft. Bubba Franks being cut does not create a huge need.Think TE makes sense now that they cut Bubba Franks?I would like seeing Rodgers-Cromartie drop to the Pack as I think he's a special talent in an area that GB needs depth and youth.I don't like the 2nd pick at all. I don't think a 2nd round TE would make sense at all for GB, especially when DaJuan Morgan, Erin Henderson, and Anthony Collins were all still available. Morgan would be sweet b/c the Pack would take care of their secondary issues with their first 2 picks of the draft. Henderson would be nice b/c he would join Barnett and Hawk, replacing Poppinga, to make that GB LB corp even better with another playmaker. Collins would be awesome b/c he's an athletic OT from Kansas who could add great depth to the existing OL, and possibly be the LT of the future. Collins could rise up the boards though above guys like Cherilus and Otah so I'm not holding my breath.So, to summarize.....No TE please.
TLEF316
Footballguy
But he isnt the best player available IMO. I think Gholston will be a more valuable NFL player. If they take Mcfadden now (without making MAJOR signings on the O-line) he will get himself and Kellen Clemens killed next year. They jets will do just enough to win 6 or 7 games (max) and be in the 9-13 range next year in the draft. Now, if the choice was Peterson or a "solid" tackle, i would take peterson. But right now, i feel that Peterson's performance has greatly inflated DMac's percieved value. That makes no sense to me.
mdog1967
Footballguy
I like it, good job. I am not so sure about Ryan and Woodson, I dont see any first round QB Talent in this draft and I view Ryan as a 2nd rounder and Woodson as a late 4th early 5th round.If the Flacons land Stew in the 2nd, they will get a steel IMHO.
Last edited by a moderator:
VaCatFan
Footballguy
Yep, that's about how I see it as well. As for Shaw, he played ILB, OLB, DE, and RB during his time at Penn St. We'll probably keep him at OLB as he doesn't really have the size for DE.
westbrook36
Footballguy
I think Ryan could be the first pick overall. He is the best QB in this draft.mdog1967 said:
