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2 Week Wonders or real deal? (1 Viewer)

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detfan782004

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My 4th Wr Lee Evans is MIA so I am thinking of upgrading and looking at a few WR. With 12 teams 48 WR are gone but the following 3 are up there in FA market so want to discuss them.

Marques Colston- NO

This guy looks to have a lot of upside but can we really expect this to continue. Obviously he will not socre a TD every week but looks like Brees likes him.

PROS:

-Should be playing from behind in half games

-Brees seems to be on same page

CONS:

- 3 WR on this team behind Joe Horn and Henderson

- They run the ball a lot

Reggie Williams- Jax

PROS:

- Starting to live up to his first round status

- Leftwich targeted him a lot Mon night

CONS:

- Jones, Wilford and Reggie--too many WR to throw to

- They play great defense and run the clock

B. Berrian- Chi

PROS:

- Speed

- Grossman likes him

CONS:

- Bears have played two bad defense in GB and CHI

- They wont be down much with that defense so not having to play from behind

- Offense in Chicago? I dont know.

My conclusion:

For real: Reggie Williams

Wait and See: Coltson

Stay away: Berrian

Thoughts?

 
I'm pretty sure Marques Colston is not behind Henderson.

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So, that makes him WR2 on the Saints, for what that's worth.

However, there is the intangible with him, meaning he could emerge as Brees' new Gates, so I like his upside quite a bit.

Reggie Williams is looking good, but there are a lot of options at WR on that team, and I don't think they'll be playing from behind as much as the Saints.

Additionally, I think that Jerricho Cotchery and Greg Jennings deserve consideration in this conversation, even though they might not be available in your league.

 
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Isn't Colston considered the #2 in New Orleans rather than #3?

I know Williams is listed as #3 in Jacksonville, but he sure seems to be at least #2 when you look at targets.

I'm considering this group for a WR pickup also (dropping Kennison)

Right now I have them in this order:

Williams

Colston

Berrian

The biggest selling point for me on Williams was that he still had decent production during a defensive battle in last night's game. Steelers D is pretty solid in it's own right and he still put up good numbers (I have to include the fact I'm in a ppr league, so the targets/catches really have me interested in Williams).

Colston would be my next choice as he seems to be an equal target to Horn in the mind of Brees. My concern here is I think they've seen two of the weaker defenses in their schedule. Can New Orleans keep up the production?

Berrian is exciting, but I can't get over my bias that the Bears are a grind it out offense with a solid defense and they aren't going to look to win games through the air.

 
The Rook said:
Isn't Colston considered the #2 in New Orleans rather than #3?I know Williams is listed as #3 in Jacksonville, but he sure seems to be at least #2 when you look at targets.I'm considering this group for a WR pickup also (dropping Kennison)Right now I have them in this order:WilliamsColstonBerrianThe biggest selling point for me on Williams was that he still had decent production during a defensive battle in last night's game. Steelers D is pretty solid in it's own right and he still put up good numbers (I have to include the fact I'm in a ppr league, so the targets/catches really have me interested in Williams).Colston would be my next choice as he seems to be an equal target to Horn in the mind of Brees. My concern here is I think they've seen two of the weaker defenses in their schedule. Can New Orleans keep up the production?Berrian is exciting, but I can't get over my bias that the Bears are a grind it out offense with a solid defense and they aren't going to look to win games through the air.
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For this week, I'd pick up Williams as they play the Colts and is should be a good day for him. As for long term, I prefer Colston. I think Horn is well on the downslide. I could see Colston overtaking Horn THIS season.
 
pizzatyme said:
For this week, I'd pick up Williams as they play the Colts and is should be a good day for him. As for long term, I prefer Colston. I think Horn is well on the downslide. I could see Colston overtaking Horn THIS season.
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He already has had more targets than Horn in both weeks and leads there 17-13.
 
BuckeyeArt said:
pizzatyme said:
For this week, I'd pick up Williams as they play the Colts and is should be a good day for him. As for long term, I prefer Colston. I think Horn is well on the downslide. I could see Colston overtaking Horn THIS season.
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He already has had more targets than Horn in both weeks and leads there 17-13.
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horn is getting double covered while colston, being the unheralded rookie, isn't getting the attention. if he continues to perform, that imbalance will change.
 
Wilford owner here.

From what I saw in the game last night, it would appear that Matt Jones and Reggie Williams are kinda 1a and 1b. Wilford seems to have fallen by the wayside. Jones had like 4 receptions for 1st downs last night and was toasting all of the Pitt d-backs when Leftwich would actually throw a catchable ball.

I wouldn't exactly say Berrian is something to stay away from. He's valuable in deep leagues as a flex. He probably won't get you a ton of catches but he has speed to burn and is THE deep threat in Chicago. 2 games, 2 long TD catch and runs!

Colston has had 5 or 6 grabs in both of his games and a td in each as well. I think that qualifies as atleast #2 WR. He's outproduced Horn hasn't he?

 
I would say Colston has the best chance to be a consistent contributor as Drew Brees is the best of the three QB's - Rex Grossman has a weak arm so a deep threat had better be able adjust for underthrown balls and Leftwich throws about 1 out of every 2 throws on target - and the Saints liked him enough to unload Stallworth right before the start of the season. It is pretty rare that a team would trade a starting WR after the pre-season so they must have done so to not only rid themsleves of an underachieving cancer but also because they had seen enough in training camp from Colston to believe they wouldn't miss him. The biggest downside for Colston may be that they will likely line up Reggie Bush at split end on a lot of plays and he will take away potential targets from all of the WR's.

 
pizzatyme said:
The Rook said:
Isn't Colston considered the #2 in New Orleans rather than #3?I know Williams is listed as #3 in Jacksonville, but he sure seems to be at least #2 when you look at targets.I'm considering this group for a WR pickup also (dropping Kennison)Right now I have them in this order:WilliamsColstonBerrianThe biggest selling point for me on Williams was that he still had decent production during a defensive battle in last night's game. Steelers D is pretty solid in it's own right and he still put up good numbers (I have to include the fact I'm in a ppr league, so the targets/catches really have me interested in Williams).Colston would be my next choice as he seems to be an equal target to Horn in the mind of Brees. My concern here is I think they've seen two of the weaker defenses in their schedule. Can New Orleans keep up the production?Berrian is exciting, but I can't get over my bias that the Bears are a grind it out offense with a solid defense and they aren't going to look to win games through the air.
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For this week, I'd pick up Williams as they play the Colts and is should be a good day for him. As for long term, I prefer Colston. I think Horn is well on the downslide. I could see Colston overtaking Horn THIS season.
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Fair point. I admit I need the value from him sooner (ie this week) than later with Steve Smith and Deion Branch both on my bench waiting for their production to take off, so that may add to my bias towards Williams.
 
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LordHusker said:
As a TE, where do you guys think Colston ranks?
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Coming into the season, I had Colston as the #59 WR. However, putting up those stats at the TE spot would make him #12. He's starting-caliber with eligibility there and should be top-10 with absolute ease.
 
Trap Play said:
I'm pretty sure Marques Colston is not behind Henderson.

Edited to add:

So, that makes him WR2 on the Saints, for what that's worth.

However, there is the intangible with him, meaning he could emerge as Brees' new Gates, so I like his upside quite a bit.

Reggie Williams is looking good, but there are a lot of options at WR on that team, and I don't think they'll be playing from behind as much as the Saints.

Additionally, I think that Jerricho Cotchery and Greg Jennings deserve consideration in this conversation, even though they might not be available in your league.
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Yes they deserve mention but not available.
 
nwgman said:
I would say Colston has the best chance to be a consistent contributor as Drew Brees is the best of the three QB's - Rex Grossman has a weak arm so a deep threat had better be able adjust for underthrown balls and Leftwich throws about 1 out of every 2 throws on target - and the Saints liked him enough to unload Stallworth right before the start of the season. It is pretty rare that a team would trade a starting WR after the pre-season so they must have done so to not only rid themsleves of an underachieving cancer but also because they had seen enough in training camp from Colston to believe they wouldn't miss him. The biggest downside for Colston may be that they will likely line up Reggie Bush at split end on a lot of plays and he will take away potential targets from all of the WR's.
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Brees is not better than Leftwich. Leftwich by far has the better arm.
 
Bobcat10 said:
Cowboys#1 said:
where does cotchery fit in with these 3?
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Ya.And do these guys warrant pickup even in leagues that limit transactions....lots of leagues only have 5-10 trannys per year.
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Can we call them transactions please? I don't want any of my leaguemates to find this site on google.
 
detfan782004 said:
nwgman said:
I would say Colston has the best chance to be a consistent contributor as Drew Brees is the best of the three QB's - Rex Grossman has a weak arm so a deep threat had better be able adjust for underthrown balls and Leftwich throws about 1 out of every 2 throws on target - and the Saints liked him enough to unload Stallworth right before the start of the season. It is pretty rare that a team would trade a starting WR after the pre-season so they must have done so to not only rid themsleves of an underachieving cancer but also because they had seen enough in training camp from Colston to believe they wouldn't miss him. The biggest downside for Colston may be that they will likely line up Reggie Bush at split end on a lot of plays and he will take away potential targets from all of the WR's.
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Brees is not better than Leftwich. Leftwich by far has the better arm.
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And the worse wind-up. :D
 
detfan782004 said:
nwgman said:
I would say Colston has the best chance to be a consistent contributor as Drew Brees is the best of the three QB's - Rex Grossman has a weak arm so a deep threat had better be able adjust for underthrown balls and Leftwich throws about 1 out of every 2 throws on target - and the Saints liked him enough to unload Stallworth right before the start of the season. It is pretty rare that a team would trade a starting WR after the pre-season so they must have done so to not only rid themsleves of an underachieving cancer but also because they had seen enough in training camp from Colston to believe they wouldn't miss him. The biggest downside for Colston may be that they will likely line up Reggie Bush at split end on a lot of plays and he will take away potential targets from all of the WR's.
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Brees is not better than Leftwich. Leftwich by far has the better arm.
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[Kyle Boller]Yeah! Having the better arm definitely makes for a better QB![/Kyle Boller]
 
Mungo Burrows said:
detfan782004 said:
nwgman said:
I would say Colston has the best chance to be a consistent contributor as Drew Brees is the best of the three QB's - Rex Grossman has a weak arm so a deep threat had better be able adjust for underthrown balls and Leftwich throws about 1 out of every 2 throws on target - and the Saints liked him enough to unload Stallworth right before the start of the season. It is pretty rare that a team would trade a starting WR after the pre-season so they must have done so to not only rid themsleves of an underachieving cancer but also because they had seen enough in training camp from Colston to believe they wouldn't miss him. The biggest downside for Colston may be that they will likely line up Reggie Bush at split end on a lot of plays and he will take away potential targets from all of the WR's.
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Brees is not better than Leftwich. Leftwich by far has the better arm.
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[Kyle Boller]Yeah! Having the better arm definitely makes for a better QB![/Kyle Boller]
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Ok bad argument but Leftwich is still better than Brees
 
Bobcat10 said:
Cowboys#1 said:
where does cotchery fit in with these 3?
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Ya.And do these guys warrant pickup even in leagues that limit transactions....lots of leagues only have 5-10 trannys per year.
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I would like to say that as far as I know we don't have any trannys in our league. Heck, we only have 12 teams :confused: I dropped Cooley for Colston in my money league that doesn't require TEs. I just get the feeling that he might be decent. We limit our teams to 10 transactions per year so to make a move after week one is a gamble, but I like having him to see how he pans out.

 
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nwgman said:
I would say Colston has the best chance to be a consistent contributor as Drew Brees is the best of the three QB's - Rex Grossman has a weak arm so a deep threat had better be able adjust for underthrown balls and Leftwich throws about 1 out of every 2 throws on target - and the Saints liked him enough to unload Stallworth right before the start of the season. It is pretty rare that a team would trade a starting WR after the pre-season so they must have done so to not only rid themsleves of an underachieving cancer but also because they had seen enough in training camp from Colston to believe they wouldn't miss him. The biggest downside for Colston may be threat they will likely line up Reggie Bush at split end on a lot of plays and he will take away potential targets from all of the WR's.
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I think Grosman has a stong arm (not that he is a better QB than Brees) and I think a deap threat is important to a running oriented team to keep safety's back. Berrian will never do much in terms of consistantly getting a lot of catches but he will have a good ypc and put up the occational big play.
 
colston: wr2 in a team thatll have to throw, with a good qub. hes big, fast, and as some guys have said, can overtake horn. i love him.

cotch: wr2 in a team thatll have to throw, with no significant running game, with a good qub, who is the one reciever in at the goal line.

you have got to pick these guys up, hold onto them, and keep them, cos they have no downside, ie: no injured stars to come back, etc.

 
Generalnug said:
colston: wr2 in a team thatll have to throw, with a good qub. hes big, fast, and as some guys have said, can overtake horn. i love him. cotch: wr2 in a team thatll have to throw, with no significant running game, with a good qub, who is the one reciever in at the goal line.you have got to pick these guys up, hold onto them, and keep them, cos they have no downside, ie: no injured stars to come back, etc.
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I am definately leaning towards Reggie Williams or Colston. I have A. Johnson and D. Jackson on bye week 5 and that leaves me Stallworth and a crappy L. Evans.
 
This thread has perfect timing. I'm looking at picking up one of the same three WRs and ended up deciding on Williams. Thanks for some good insight here. :bye:

 
all of these guys are already gone in most leagues.

if Ihad to rank them I'd go:

Reggie Will

Cotchery

Colston

Berrian

honorable mention to Drew Carter. his targets are very high without steve smith around, and the 2nd opnion makes me think SS is gonna miss more than 3 games this year.

 
I would rank these guys as follows:

Colston - Has more targets than Horn, could become Brees' go-to-guy, defense will focus on Bush

Cotchery - Has play-making ability, but less targets than Coles, most likely will not supplant Coles

Reggie Williams - Clearly is coming on, but Jags offense is conservative when it can be, and neither Reggie Willaims nor Ernest Wilford will supplant Matt Jones.

Berrian - I don't know much about him. Something feels flukey to me about his numbers. When the cold weather comes, Chicago gets conservative again, I think.

 
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I will add Mike Furrey to this list. He doesn't appear to be a big play guy but he has 11 catches in 2 games.

 
Couple of things to remember about Williams and Colsten, both are redzone targets. Williams has been a guy who hasn't caught a bunch of balls since he's been a pro but, because he's 6'04" gets looks in the endzone. Colsten is also listed at 604-605, he is going to be a redzone target. Colsten doesn't have great speed but is big and has good hands. Look for the td production on these guys to be pretty good. I don't know much about Cotchery but I've read that he's a redzone target too. Because of the NYJ need to pass and the likelihood that they need to pass to catch-up/stay in the game I'd rank Cotch above Colsten. I just really like Colsten with Brees in that offense. Williams is next unless you get pts for distance tds. If you do Berrian holds more value.

1. Cotchery

2. Colsten

3. Williams

4. Berrian

I guess the big question is where everyone's favorite "next star" rec, Lee Evans, ranks. Will he continue to have under 50 yds and no tds?

 
this is how i'd rank them:

1. crotch is in his 3rd year, red zone target, good enough QB, no running game, will need to pass to stay in games. is the clear #2 with coles getting the double coverage.

2. colston is a rookie but a big red zone target. good QB, but too many options on the offense (duece, bush, horn)

3. williamson is brad johnson's #1 WR. gets plenty of targets but not sure how he'll fair at the goalline. the offense goes through chester taylor for now, so i see good yardage but not many TDs.

4. williams out of del rio's dog house playing on a winning team, but conservative offense. big target but has to compete with two other big targets in matt jones and wilford. not sure which WR will be in on the goalline package

5. berian great speed and has an established #1 WR opposite him drawing coverage. but i'm not sold on the new CHI offense--played two weak defenses. griese is a serviceable if not better QB if (when) grossman goes down with injury so you don't lose much with a QB change. what happens this winter or when TJones/benson get back into game shape after missing most of training camp?

 
detfan782004 said:
B. Berrian- Chi

PROS:

- Speed

- Grossman likes him

CONS:

- Bears have played two bad defense in GB and CHI

- They wont be down much with that defense so not having to play from behind

- Offense in Chicago? I dont know.
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Hmm, I would have thought the practice squad would play D a little better. :shrug:
 
RoarinSonoran said:
detfan782004 said:
B. Berrian- Chi

PROS:

- Speed

- Grossman likes him

CONS:

- Bears have played two bad defense in GB and CHI

- They wont be down much with that defense so not having to play from behind

- Offense in Chicago? I dont know.
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Hmm, I would have thought the practice squad would play D a little better. :shrug:
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Yea Yea. Gb and Det for anyone who couldnt figure this out..lol
 
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