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#2 WR in Buffalo...who is it and... (1 Viewer)

FunkyPlutos

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I know, I know...the QB situation is ugly and looking at projections, there isn't anyone but Evans that is expected to do anything, but doesn't SOMEONE have to catch some balls and be worthy of a roster spot? The question is who will it be?

Price

Reed

Parrish

Aiken

I have no idea about any of the Bills' WRs but saw the blurb on KFFL today about Reed and got to wondering about if any of them have any value.

Do they? Doesn't one of them HAVE to have some value?

 
I know, I know...the QB situation is ugly and looking at projections, there isn't anyone but Evans that is expected to do anything, but doesn't SOMEONE have to catch some balls and be worthy of a roster spot? The question is who will it be?

Price

Reed

Parrish

Aiken

I have no idea about any of the Bills' WRs but saw the blurb on KFFL today about Reed and got to wondering about if any of them have any value.

Do they? Doesn't one of them HAVE to have some value?
I do not see any of these players having much value because of the QB situation in a redraft league (even a larger one). But if I had to choose one I would pick Price to have the best season.
 
I know, I know...the QB situation is ugly and looking at projections, there isn't anyone but Evans that is expected to do anything, but doesn't SOMEONE have to catch some balls and be worthy of a roster spot? The question is who will it be?

Price

Reed

Parrish

Aiken

I have no idea about any of the Bills' WRs but saw the blurb on KFFL today about Reed and got to wondering about if any of them have any value.

Do they? Doesn't one of them HAVE to have some value?
Andre Davis should be on your list. IMO he has the most upside of any of the #2 candidates.
 
Per the link posted above (which was published on the Bills website today in an article titled "Who Will Be the Number Two Wide Receiver?")

"Still the number two receiver role seems more like a three-way race between veterans Davis, Price and Reed.

Price goes into the training camp competition as the favorite. He has the most experience of the three, is the most polished route runner and has comparable or superior physical skills to Davis and Reed.

Price is also familiar with unsettled quarterback situations, which is what exists for the Bills heading into 2006.

It's clear all three are motivated to land the number-two role. The difference with Price is he has experienced what it's like to be a big-time number two receiver and misses what it feels like. To have had it and then lose it may make him the hungriest of the trio."

 
I know, I know...the QB situation is ugly and looking at projections, there isn't anyone but Evans that is expected to do anything, but doesn't SOMEONE have to catch some balls and be worthy of a roster spot? The question is who will it be?

Price

Reed

Parrish

Aiken

I have no idea about any of the Bills' WRs but saw the blurb on KFFL today about Reed and got to wondering about if any of them have any value.

Do they? Doesn't one of them HAVE to have some value?
Andre Davis should be on your list. IMO he has the most upside of any of the #2 candidates.
If Davis has the most upside of the #2 candidates, the Bills could have the worst WR corp in the NFL. To answer the question, I don't think the #2 will have any value in a 10 team league (maybe a 12 that starts 3). Lee Evans will also struggle. With that QB situation, I would avoid all Bills.

 
Lee Evans.
He is the #1 - the poster wants to know about the #2.
Perhaps I think Lee Evans will finish as the #2 WR behind Josh Reed.
What do you see in Josh Reed that would make you think this?Evans has badly outproduced him the past two seasons. Reed hasn't shown much in the way of big play ability, and even in his best season he was outperformed by Bobby Shaw.

 
Lee Evans.
He is the #1 - the poster wants to know about the #2.
Perhaps I think Lee Evans will finish as the #2 WR behind Josh Reed.
What do you see in Josh Reed that would make you think this?Evans has badly outproduced him the past two seasons. Reed hasn't shown much in the way of big play ability, and even in his best season he was outperformed by Bobby Shaw.
:fishing: KRS is smarter than this.

 
Lee Evans.
He is the #1 - the poster wants to know about the #2.
Perhaps I think Lee Evans will finish as the #2 WR behind Josh Reed.
What do you see in Josh Reed that would make you think this?Evans has badly outproduced him the past two seasons. Reed hasn't shown much in the way of big play ability, and even in his best season he was outperformed by Bobby Shaw.
:fishing: KRS is smarter than this.
No, I really think Reed is underrated this year.I'm shocked that Price is considered the frontrunner for the #2 role.

 
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From the FBG final YTD 2005 stats page:

Evans,Lee

Rank #29

120.1 points

Moulds,Eric

Rank #35

105.6 points

This tells me that the #2WR in Buffalo had just as much value as the #1 did last year........

 
From the FBG final YTD 2005 stats page:

Evans,Lee

Rank #29

120.1 points

Moulds,Eric

Rank #35

105.6 points

This tells me that the #2WR in Buffalo had just as much value as the #1 did last year........
Adam, I am sure there will be no noticable talent droppoff this year from Moulds to whomever will be starting opposite of Evans ..... Should I pencil your projections for Peerless the same as Moulds had?
 
I know, I know...the QB situation is ugly and looking at projections, there isn't anyone but Evans that is expected to do anything, but doesn't SOMEONE have to catch some balls and be worthy of a roster spot? The question is who will it be?

Price

Reed

Parrish

Aiken

I have no idea about any of the Bills' WRs but saw the blurb on KFFL today about Reed and got to wondering about if any of them have any value.

Do they? Doesn't one of them HAVE to have some value?
Andre Davis should be on your list. IMO he has the most upside of any of the #2 candidates.
If Davis has the most upside of the #2 candidates, the Bills could have the worst WR corp in the NFL. To answer the question, I don't think the #2 will have any value in a 10 team league (maybe a 12 that starts 3). Lee Evans will also struggle. With that QB situation, I would avoid all Bills.
I agree that it's an ugly situation and I won't be touching any of these guys. You could argue that the Bills have both the worst QB situation and worst OL situation in the league.That said, I do like Davis. He has great speed and has shown a knack for making the big play and scoring TDs in his career. He's had some injury problems the last two years, but I'm not ready to completely discard him yet.

 
Lee Evans.
He is the #1 - the poster wants to know about the #2.
Perhaps I think Lee Evans will finish as the #2 WR behind Josh Reed.
What do you see in Josh Reed that would make you think this?Evans has badly outproduced him the past two seasons. Reed hasn't shown much in the way of big play ability, and even in his best season he was outperformed by Bobby Shaw.
:fishing: KRS is smarter than this.
No, I really think Reed is underrated this year.I'm shocked that Price is considered the frontrunner for the #2 role.
Underrated, maybe. #1? You have to be fishing.
 
From the FBG final YTD 2005 stats page:

Evans,Lee         

Rank #29

120.1 points

Moulds,Eric       

Rank #35

105.6 points

This tells me that the #2WR in Buffalo had just as much value as the #1 did last year........
Adam, I am sure there will be no noticable talent droppoff this year from Moulds to whomever will be starting opposite of Evans ..... Should I pencil your projections for Peerless the same as Moulds had?
First, Moulds did not have a stellar season there wannabee (man these PRL guys :rant: ). That was a very average season, and any of these candidates could manage it.Anyway, Losman or whomever is the QB has to through to someone. Unless Evans is going to catch 2500 yards, there will be a #2 WR with similar stats to last year. 700 yards and a few TDs is pretty bad, and if Moulds can manage it, I bet Price or one of the others could too. Even if Evans catches 1000 yards, that atleast 1500 yards that are split amoung the others (on average).....to think one of the others would get 600-800 of those yards is not out of the question....

(The Bills through for over 3,000 yards last year)

 
Contestant #1: "I'll take AFC East for $400."

Alex: "This player is the #2 WR for the Buffalo Bills."

Contestant #1: <buzz> "Who is Peerless Price?"

Alex: "I'm sorry, incorrect."

Contestant #2: <buzz> "Who is Andre Davis?"

Alex: "Sorry."

Contestant #3: <buzz emphatically> "WHO IS JOSH REED?!?!?"

Alex: "I'm sorry, incorrect also."

<ding ding ding>

Alex: "The correct answer is 'Who gives a s**t'?"

 
From the FBG final YTD 2005 stats page:

Evans,Lee         

Rank #29

120.1 points

Moulds,Eric        

Rank #35

105.6 points

This tells me that the #2WR in Buffalo had just as much value as the #1 did last year........
Adam, I am sure there will be no noticable talent droppoff this year from Moulds to whomever will be starting opposite of Evans ..... Should I pencil your projections for Peerless the same as Moulds had?
First, Moulds did not have a stellar season there wannabee (man these PRL guys :rant: ). That was a very average season, and any of these candidates could manage it.Anyway, Losman or whomever is the QB has to through to someone. Unless Evans is going to catch 2500 yards, there will be a #2 WR with similar stats to last year. 700 yards and a few TDs is pretty bad, and if Moulds can manage it, I bet Price or one of the others could too. Even if Evans catches 1000 yards, that atleast 1500 yards that are split amoung the others (on average).....to think one of the others would get 600-800 of those yards is not out of the question....

(The Bills through for over 3,000 yards last year)
Adam, you are missing something in your numbers. Losman looked to Evans every time. Evans had his best games with Losman. Conversely, Moulds had his best games with Holcomb. So, if you think Losman gets the job, those numbers you quoted above look huge in comparison. You might look it up. :wall: LHLers
 
From the FBG final YTD 2005 stats page:

Evans,Lee         

Rank #29

120.1 points

Moulds,Eric        

Rank #35

105.6 points

This tells me that the #2WR in Buffalo had just as much value as the #1 did last year........
Adam, I am sure there will be no noticable talent droppoff this year from Moulds to whomever will be starting opposite of Evans ..... Should I pencil your projections for Peerless the same as Moulds had?
First, Moulds did not have a stellar season there wannabee (man these PRL guys :rant: ). That was a very average season, and any of these candidates could manage it.Anyway, Losman or whomever is the QB has to through to someone. Unless Evans is going to catch 2500 yards, there will be a #2 WR with similar stats to last year. 700 yards and a few TDs is pretty bad, and if Moulds can manage it, I bet Price or one of the others could too. Even if Evans catches 1000 yards, that atleast 1500 yards that are split amoung the others (on average).....to think one of the others would get 600-800 of those yards is not out of the question....

(The Bills through for over 3,000 yards last year)
Adam, you are missing something in your numbers. Losman looked to Evans every time. Evans had his best games with Losman. Conversely, Moulds had his best games with Holcomb. So, if you think Losman gets the job, those numbers you quoted above look huge in comparison. You might look it up. :wall: LHLers
Here is the link: http://www.footballguys.com/teampage-buf-4.php After week 5, you can see a definite pattern. Also, one thing omitted from above, Moulds was a fantasy starter in most 12 team league (or larger). Do you actually think a Bills WR, other than Evans, will be this year?

 
From the FBG final YTD 2005 stats page:

Evans,Lee         

Rank #29

120.1 points

Moulds,Eric        

Rank #35

105.6 points

This tells me that the #2WR in Buffalo had just as much value as the #1 did last year........
Adam, I am sure there will be no noticable talent droppoff this year from Moulds to whomever will be starting opposite of Evans ..... Should I pencil your projections for Peerless the same as Moulds had?
First, Moulds did not have a stellar season there wannabee (man these PRL guys :rant: ). That was a very average season, and any of these candidates could manage it.Anyway, Losman or whomever is the QB has to through to someone. Unless Evans is going to catch 2500 yards, there will be a #2 WR with similar stats to last year. 700 yards and a few TDs is pretty bad, and if Moulds can manage it, I bet Price or one of the others could too. Even if Evans catches 1000 yards, that atleast 1500 yards that are split amoung the others (on average).....to think one of the others would get 600-800 of those yards is not out of the question....

(The Bills through for over 3,000 yards last year)
Adam, you are missing something in your numbers. Losman looked to Evans every time. Evans had his best games with Losman. Conversely, Moulds had his best games with Holcomb. So, if you think Losman gets the job, those numbers you quoted above look huge in comparison. You might look it up. :wall: LHLers
Here is the link: http://www.footballguys.com/teampage-buf-4.php After week 5, you can see a definite pattern. Also, one thing omitted from above, Moulds was a fantasy starter in most 12 team league (or larger). Do you actually think a Bills WR, other than Evans, will be this year?
I would not want either as a starter, even in a 16 team leagues like ours......With the QB situation still undecided, its possible to have a back and forth QB starter again this year......plus, if Losman throws to Evans everytime, eventually DEF will wise up and cover 2 him......I am simply saying that the #1 and #2 will probably have similar stats, and both suck for fantasy teams....

 
People have been down on Price because he failed to meet the lofty expectations set after his 94-1252-9 2002 season in Buffalo that resulted in the trade to Atlanta for a #1 pick. In Atlanta in 2003 and 2004 he had 64 and 45 catches, but much more was expected. Part of that failure was Price's because he's not a #1 able to beat double-teams, but part has to be attributed to Vick, who has never been a very accurate passer and also regularly pulled the ball down and ran. The Falcons were 29th and 31st in pass attempts those years, in part due to Vick's running and in part due to scheme. Pretty hard for Price to approach his 2002 numbers with all that against him. Last year was a washout for Price as Atlanta decided to go with their youth (Jenkins and White), and then Price signed too late in Dallas and never had a role.

The Bills made a conscious decision to bring Price in and pay him #2 money even after Davis was signed, Reed re-signed, and Parrish was already on the roster. I think any talk of competition for the #2 role is just coachspeak. Price will be the #2 and probably get 45-55 catches for 600-700 yards and 3-6 TDs. Reed will serve as the usual #3 as he has been doing, Davis will have a situational role (probably similar to the 'go deep' role he had in New England last year), and Parrish will see the field sometimes as the #3 and in certain obvious passing situations.

Price is still a capable #2, still has his speed, has never missed a game due to injury, and in Fairchild's StL-like scheme he'll be fairly busy. He's still able to get his 45-55 passes which will translate to about 80-100 FP, or about 5-6 FPPG, give or take. Whether that makes him draftable in your fantasy league depends on roster size and mix.

 
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Lee Evans.
He is the #1 - the poster wants to know about the #2.
Perhaps I think Lee Evans will finish as the #2 WR behind Josh Reed.
What do you see in Josh Reed that would make you think this?Evans has badly outproduced him the past two seasons. Reed hasn't shown much in the way of big play ability, and even in his best season he was outperformed by Bobby Shaw.
:fishing: KRS is smarter than this.
No, I really think Reed is underrated this year.I'm shocked that Price is considered the frontrunner for the #2 role.
Underrated, maybe. #1? You have to be fishing.
Well we'll see. If Price really wins the #2 job in camp, then I'll come off the Reed as WR1 in Buffalo.
 
my hope is that Davis wins the job, but if he doesn't he could very well not make the team since he's only on a 1-year contract. Reed was a flop as a starting WR and ideally should only compete with Roscoe Parrish for the #3 WR job. That should leave the #2 job for Peerless Price, who looks to be the favorite at this point.

 
Price is still a capable #2, still has his speed, has never missed a game due to injury, and in Fairchild's StL-like scheme he'll be fairly busy. He's still able to get his 45-55 passes which will translate to about 80-100 FP, or about 5-6 FPPG, give or take. Whether that makes him draftable in your fantasy league depends on roster size and mix.
I'm still very concerned about his vision problem. Reports from his time in Atlanta said the problem was correctable but he refused to undergo surgery b/c of the risk involved. If he can't see the ball, how's he going to catch it?
 
Price is still a capable #2, still has his speed, has never missed a game due to injury, and in Fairchild's StL-like scheme he'll be fairly busy. He's still able to get his 45-55 passes which will translate to about 80-100 FP, or about 5-6 FPPG, give or take. Whether that makes him draftable in your fantasy league depends on roster size and mix.
I'm still very concerned about his vision problem. Reports from his time in Atlanta said the problem was correctable but he refused to undergo surgery b/c of the risk involved. If he can't see the ball, how's he going to catch it?
You know, that is still a possibility, but... Price has said the right eye is fine though, and obviously Marv Levy thought so or Buf wouldn't have signed him to the contract they did (they had to have tested it... geez, I'd hope so anyway!), so I'm disregarding the eye issue.
 
You know, that is still a possibility, but... Price has said the right eye is fine though, and obviously Marv Levy thought so or Buf wouldn't have signed him to the contract they did (they had to have tested it... geez, I'd hope so anyway!), so I'm disregarding the eye issue.
Unless they were... STUPID?The Bills threw money at a guy no one else even wanted. I think the Pats talked to him and that was about it.

 
Price is still a capable #2, still has his speed, has never missed a game due to injury, and in Fairchild's StL-like scheme he'll be fairly busy.  He's still able to get his 45-55 passes which will translate to about 80-100 FP, or about 5-6 FPPG, give or take.  Whether that makes him draftable in your fantasy league depends on roster size and mix.
I'm still very concerned about his vision problem. Reports from his time in Atlanta said the problem was correctable but he refused to undergo surgery b/c of the risk involved. If he can't see the ball, how's he going to catch it?
Refresh my memory, what exactly was wrong with Price's vision? I remember it being off, but is it worse than "he needs glasses"? Why does he need surgery? I keep hearing a lot of buzz about Parish from my friends/family in Buffalo. Not that he's going to be the #2, but they are excited about him. I think he could surprise.

 
Price is still a capable #2, still has his speed, has never missed a game due to injury, and in Fairchild's StL-like scheme he'll be fairly busy.  He's still able to get his 45-55 passes which will translate to about 80-100 FP, or about 5-6 FPPG, give or take.  Whether that makes him draftable in your fantasy league depends on roster size and mix.
I'm still very concerned about his vision problem. Reports from his time in Atlanta said the problem was correctable but he refused to undergo surgery b/c of the risk involved. If he can't see the ball, how's he going to catch it?
Refresh my memory, what exactly was wrong with Price's vision? I remember it being off, but is it worse than "he needs glasses"? Why does he need surgery? I keep hearing a lot of buzz about Parish from my friends/family in Buffalo. Not that he's going to be the #2, but they are excited about him. I think he could surprise.
From a Blogger search for Price: http://news.footballguys.com/new/search.ph...&day2=0&year2=0

December 30, 2004, 15:52

Falcons

WR Price Says Vision Is Fine

George Henry, AP - [Full Article]

WR Peerless Price insists the vision in his right eye is fine, even though an ophthalmologist diagnosed him with a retinal disorder last summer. Neither the Atlanta Falcons nor their No. 1 receiver will cite a specific reason for his drop-off in production this year. Price has only 32 catches, by far his lowest amount since becoming a starter with Buffalo in 2000.

In addition, I found this from the blogger and from the original article about Parrish: http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=3851

Roscoe Parrish has an outside shot to compete for the job, but his physical stature likely limits him to the slot position. Although Parrish, who believes the new offensive system is easier to pick up than last year's attack, is learning more than just slot receiver.

"I'm a little more on top of it this year," said Parrish. "Having a number system for the routes is similar to what I did at Miami. It's given me an edge to learn my position to the max, and not only my position in the slot, but every receiver position on the field."

Still the number two receiver role seems more like a three-way race between veterans Davis, Price and Reed.

 
Refresh my memory, what exactly was wrong with Price's vision? I remember it being off, but is it worse than "he needs glasses"? Why does he need surgery? I keep hearing a lot of buzz about Parish from my friends/family in Buffalo. Not that he's going to be the #2, but they are excited about him. I think he could surprise.
tough to find out all the details but here are some things I found from digging:
Price's biggest problem at this point might be the questions surrounding vision problems in his right eye. He was diagnosed with a retinal disorder by an ophthalmologist in the summer of 2004, and that may have be an underlying factor in his extreme drop-off in production, especially last season. Even though Price is insistent that his eye is just fine, plenty of others have inquired about it. Obviously, if Bills GM Marv Levy thinks it's not a factor, then it likely isn't.
from Sporting News back in May of 2005:
Price's vision problems, caused by an inoperable retinal disorder, might end his career prematurely.
also found these older reports:
Dec. 30 Once the season ends, Peerless Price is expected to undergo a procedure to repair a retinal disorder in his right eye that was diagnosed last summer, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "It's laser surgery, and we'll do it sometime in February, but it's not corrective surgery," Price said. "It's for my retina."
The condition of WR Peerless Price's right eye remains a mystery. Price, said last season he was scheduled to undergo corrective retinal surgery in February. For the second straight year, Price failed to deliver the kind of numbers expected from players who cost a first-round draft pick and a $10 million signing bonus. His anger and the team's silence on the matter make skeptics wonder if the powers-that-be are trying to hide something worse.
ESPN's Len Pasquarelli reports Atlanta Falcons WR Peerless Price spent the week refuting reports that he has a retina problem that has contributed to his lack of production in two seasons with the club. Price said that he has just an astigmatism and that it has played no role in his performance.
 
Thanks. I'm a med student and actually working in the retinal department of an eye clinic this summer as a technician. I'll try to find out Price's exact retinal disorder and get the scoop from the physicians there on the nature of this type of problem.

 
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even if one eye is good & one eye is "partially" good, you really need two eyes for depth perception... can't say how big a problem partial vision would be for computing depth perception...

when i had a cornea scratched one time & wore an eye patch, i tried to play catch with a baseball & it was very disconcerting as the ball was always like a foot to the side of where "i thought it was" (where my one eye told my brain it was) & put the glove...

funny, you don't see a lot of bullfighters & chainsaw jugglers that where an eyepatch...

 
wow. no mention of big martin nance.... :confused:
It will be a big step for an undrafted free agent to make the team. I'm pulling for him to do so. But there is absolutely zero chance he will begin the season as a starter unless the rest of the WRs all go together on a car trip along a snowy mountain highway and... nevermind.
 
even if one eye is good & one eye is "partially" good, you really need two eyes for depth perception... can't say how big a problem partial vision would be for computing depth perception...

when i had a cornea scratched one time & wore an eye patch, i tried to play catch with a baseball & it was very disconcerting as the ball was always like a foot to the side of where "i thought it was" (where my one eye told my brain it was) & put the glove...

funny, you don't see a lot of bullfighters & chainsaw jugglers that where an eyepatch...
Wasnt Wesley Walker 100% blind in one eye?
 
maybe the brain adapts & compensates in time (i terminated the experiment after one afternoon)... & price just has really lousy hands? :)

 
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For those who don't get it (its free, so you should), here's what the FBG daily e-mail said today.....

BUF - #2WR Up For Grabs?

Source: Chris Brown, Buffalobills.com

With WR Lee Evans as the number one WR after the exit of WR Eric Moulds, the assumed choice to take the reins as the number two WR has been Peerless Price. The competition is legitimate for the number two WR spot, but Price sees this as an "opportunity" to reclaim his spot as the number two receiver in Buffalo. The competition seems to be "a three-way race between veterans [Andre]Davis, Price and [Josh] Reed." Price is used to change, has the "most experience of the three, is the most polished route runner, and has comparable or superior physical skills to Davis and Reed."

[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]

The question on everyone's mind is which Peerless Price will show up this year? Will it be the guy we saw in Buffalo or the guy that fizzled in Atlanta? Is Mike Vick really to blame? Or was Price over hyped coming out of Buffalo? We think it's somewhere in the middle. I expect Price to win the #2 job, but also to be pushed by Davis and Reed.

 
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I'm surprised no one mentioned it could all depend on who the QB is going to be. Kelly Holcomb played with Davis in Cleveland before and I read somewhere that they are looking good together already in their OTA's.

Honestly I don't think it really matters who the other starter is going to be. Those numbers are going to be watered down by the other names already mentioned.

 
I know, I know...the QB situation is ugly and looking at projections, there isn't anyone but Evans that is expected to do anything, but doesn't SOMEONE have to catch some balls and be worthy of a roster spot? The question is who will it be?

Price

Reed

Parrish

Aiken

I have no idea about any of the Bills' WRs but saw the blurb on KFFL today about Reed and got to wondering about if any of them have any value.

Do they? Doesn't one of them HAVE to have some value?
Andre Davis should be on your list. IMO he has the most upside of any of the #2 candidates.
I agree that Davis would be the best fantasy option if he wins the job over Price. I believe Parrish & Reed are more natural in the slot and will battle there. The amount of money they signed Price for was ridiculous and unnecessary, so I am not sure if that means they have Price pencilled in to start, or the Bills front office is just clueless.
 

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