20+ MLB players to be suspended? Braun, A-Rod? (1 Viewer)

[flapgreen]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

What type of science are you referring to? What type of immeasurable statistic would you like to see documented? Put a bunch of guys on steroids and others not on steroids, then run a randomized control trial on how much better the guys on steroids do? Give me some examples on the type of proof you want to see that steroids give a huge advantage to the guys taking them. You really can't connect the dots between when the MLB started cracking down on PEDs and guys quit hitting over 50 homeruns with ease? You have made an argument that is impossible for you to lose because what you're asking for is impossible to measure. When pressed about it, you keep going back to the "lack of science" stance. If we needed absolute proof that things existed in this world before acknowledging them, we couldn't be sure of much of anything. You come off looking very uninformed or very uneducated when it comes this "science" you keep referring to. I'm seriously considering you are on some lame fishing trip in here.

 

[gump]

A-Rod is shameless. This guy...

Hundred-Millionaires think they are bigger than billion dollar entities.

 

[dparker713]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

What type of science are you referring to? What type of immeasurable statistic would you like to see documented? Put a bunch of guys on steroids and others not on steroids, then run a randomized control trial on how much better the guys on steroids do? Give me some examples on the type of proof you want to see that steroids give a huge advantage to the guys taking them. You really can't connect the dots between when the MLB started cracking down on PEDs and guys quit hitting over 50 homeruns with ease? You have made an argument that is impossible for you to lose because what you're asking for is impossible to measure. When pressed about it, you keep going back to the "lack of science" stance. If we needed absolute proof that things existed in this world before acknowledging them, we couldn't be sure of much of anything. You come off looking very uninformed or very uneducated when it comes this "science" you keep referring to. I'm seriously considering you are on some lame fishing trip in here.

No you can't connect the dots with ease. Offense saw a much more stark decline after the ban of amphetamines in comparison to the ban of steroids. The HR boom also was shortly after both expansion and the introduction of many new HR friendly parks.

Plus, the variable no one can really control - the ball itself. MLB has screwed with the construction of the baseball on plenty of occasions and most believe its happened much more often than the league has acknowledged. There really is no other logical explanation for the offensive explosion of the 1987 season. Add in the facts we know velocity is a great help to pitchers and steroids have been shown to help velocity directly, the simple conclusion most people want to draw isn't so simple.

But hey, Jeff Bagwell lifted weights and hit a lot of HRs, so he's obviously dirty. But Guillermo Mota obviously was clean.

 

[Michael Brown]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

What type of science are you referring to? What type of immeasurable statistic would you like to see documented? Put a bunch of guys on steroids and others not on steroids, then run a randomized control trial on how much better the guys on steroids do? Give me some examples on the type of proof you want to see that steroids give a huge advantage to the guys taking them. You really can't connect the dots between when the MLB started cracking down on PEDs and guys quit hitting over 50 homeruns with ease? You have made an argument that is impossible for you to lose because what you're asking for is impossible to measure. When pressed about it, you keep going back to the "lack of science" stance. If we needed absolute proof that things existed in this world before acknowledging them, we couldn't be sure of much of anything. You come off looking very uninformed or very uneducated when it comes this "science" you keep referring to. I'm seriously considering you are on some lame fishing trip in here.

No you can't connect the dots with ease. Offense saw a much more stark decline after the ban of amphetamines in comparison to the ban of steroids. The HR boom also was shortly after both expansion and the introduction of many new HR friendly parks.

Plus, the variable no one can really control - the ball itself. MLB has screwed with the construction of the baseball on plenty of occasions and most believe its happened much more often than the league has acknowledged. There really is no other logical explanation for the offensive explosion of the 1987 season. Add in the facts we know velocity is a great help to pitchers and steroids have been shown to help velocity directly, the simple conclusion most people want to draw isn't so simple.

But hey, Jeff Bagwell lifted weights and hit a lot of HRs, so he's obviously dirty. But Guillermo Mota obviously was clean.

Not trying to nitpick, but why does expansion only help offense? I've seen this argument countless times, and I don't get it. The theory is that there are a bunch of pitchers who otherwise wouldn't be in MLB, but that also means there were a bunch of hitters who shouldn't be there either.

The ballpark thing is legit, though most of the extreme pitcher parks were built in an attempt to offset the insane amount of offense. And now those pitcher parks are being scaled back to normal now that offense isn't so crazy anymore (Safeco, Petco, Citi).

I don't think it has anything to do with the ball, but neither of us can prove that in either direction. The maple bats may have played a small role, but again I think that and the ball is negligible.

 

[JuniorNB]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

What type of science are you referring to? What type of immeasurable statistic would you like to see documented? Put a bunch of guys on steroids and others not on steroids, then run a randomized control trial on how much better the guys on steroids do? Give me some examples on the type of proof you want to see that steroids give a huge advantage to the guys taking them. You really can't connect the dots between when the MLB started cracking down on PEDs and guys quit hitting over 50 homeruns with ease? You have made an argument that is impossible for you to lose because what you're asking for is impossible to measure. When pressed about it, you keep going back to the "lack of science" stance. If we needed absolute proof that things existed in this world before acknowledging them, we couldn't be sure of much of anything. You come off looking very uninformed or very uneducated when it comes this "science" you keep referring to. I'm seriously considering you are on some lame fishing trip in here.

No you can't connect the dots with ease. Offense saw a much more stark decline after the ban of amphetamines in comparison to the ban of steroids. The HR boom also was shortly after both expansion and the introduction of many new HR friendly parks.

Plus, the variable no one can really control - the ball itself. MLB has screwed with the construction of the baseball on plenty of occasions and most believe its happened much more often than the league has acknowledged. There really is no other logical explanation for the offensive explosion of the 1987 season. Add in the facts we know velocity is a great help to pitchers and steroids have been shown to help velocity directly, the simple conclusion most people want to draw isn't so simple.

But hey, Jeff Bagwell lifted weights and hit a lot of HRs, so he's obviously dirty. But Guillermo Mota obviously was clean.

I'm late to the party and haven't read all 12 pages, but is your contention that steroids weren't responsible for the crazy 70 HR seasons and don't give hitters that much of an advantage?

 

[Wrigley]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

What type of science are you referring to? What type of immeasurable statistic would you like to see documented? Put a bunch of guys on steroids and others not on steroids, then run a randomized control trial on how much better the guys on steroids do? Give me some examples on the type of proof you want to see that steroids give a huge advantage to the guys taking them. You really can't connect the dots between when the MLB started cracking down on PEDs and guys quit hitting over 50 homeruns with ease? You have made an argument that is impossible for you to lose because what you're asking for is impossible to measure. When pressed about it, you keep going back to the "lack of science" stance. If we needed absolute proof that things existed in this world before acknowledging them, we couldn't be sure of much of anything. You come off looking very uninformed or very uneducated when it comes this "science" you keep referring to. I'm seriously considering you are on some lame fishing trip in here.

No you can't connect the dots with ease. Offense saw a much more stark decline after the ban of amphetamines in comparison to the ban of steroids. The HR boom also was shortly after both expansion and the introduction of many new HR friendly parks.

Plus, the variable no one can really control - the ball itself. MLB has screwed with the construction of the baseball on plenty of occasions and most believe its happened much more often than the league has acknowledged. There really is no other logical explanation for the offensive explosion of the 1987 season. Add in the facts we know velocity is a great help to pitchers and steroids have been shown to help velocity directly, the simple conclusion most people want to draw isn't so simple.

But hey, Jeff Bagwell lifted weights and hit a lot of HRs, so he's obviously dirty. But Guillermo Mota obviously was clean.

I'm late to the party and haven't read all 12 pages, but is your contention that steroids weren't responsible for the crazy 70 HR seasons and don't give hitters that much of an advantage?

Sosa hit 60+ 3 times.......park factor?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Braun getting off the first time around was the very definition of a technicality. There is zero evidence the sample was improperly stored. Furthermore, even if it had been, there is no scientific reason that it would have been altered from a clean sample to what they measured. All the seals were still intact. There was zero evidence of tampering or even allegations of such.

The only reason he got off was because the policy was that the sample had to be sent as soon as possible. The tester thought the shipping office was closed so he held the sample overnight. There was no policy that actually prohibits holding overnight or scientific reasons why it would alter he sample. They just determined that since the shipping office was still open that it technically violated the provision that requires them to ship it as soon as possible. That's the very definition of a technicality. There is zero scientific reason/proof that the sample wasn't 100% correct. So since we know the sample was legit, all that's left is legal technicalities because the proof is irrefutable.

What is your source for all these statements about the allegations made, the evidence submitted, the testing policy and the arbitrators ruling? I've been following this - admittedly rather casually - and have yet to see any of this stuff from an original reliable source. The ruling has not been released and the arbitrator has not spoken publicly as far as I know, correct? Honestly the most info came from Braun himself in his lengthy press conference, which is obviously unreliable.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

What type of science are you referring to? What type of immeasurable statistic would you like to see documented? Put a bunch of guys on steroids and others not on steroids, then run a randomized control trial on how much better the guys on steroids do? Give me some examples on the type of proof you want to see that steroids give a huge advantage to the guys taking them. You really can't connect the dots between when the MLB started cracking down on PEDs and guys quit hitting over 50 homeruns with ease? You have made an argument that is impossible for you to lose because what you're asking for is impossible to measure. When pressed about it, you keep going back to the "lack of science" stance. If we needed absolute proof that things existed in this world before acknowledging them, we couldn't be sure of much of anything. You come off looking very uninformed or very uneducated when it comes this "science" you keep referring to. I'm seriously considering you are on some lame fishing trip in here.

No you can't connect the dots with ease. Offense saw a much more stark decline after the ban of amphetamines in comparison to the ban of steroids. The HR boom also was shortly after both expansion and the introduction of many new HR friendly parks.

Plus, the variable no one can really control - the ball itself. MLB has screwed with the construction of the baseball on plenty of occasions and most believe its happened much more often than the league has acknowledged. There really is no other logical explanation for the offensive explosion of the 1987 season. Add in the facts we know velocity is a great help to pitchers and steroids have been shown to help velocity directly, the simple conclusion most people want to draw isn't so simple.

But hey, Jeff Bagwell lifted weights and hit a lot of HRs, so he's obviously dirty. But Guillermo Mota obviously was clean.

I'm late to the party and haven't read all 12 pages, but is your contention that steroids weren't responsible for the crazy 70 HR seasons and don't give hitters that much of an advantage?

Isn't his contention set out pretty clearly in the posts you quoted?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Didn't this same dparker deny for years that PEDs even had any beneficial effect on a baseball player's ability?

I've stated repeatedly there is no science on how or how much steroids enhance baseball players performance. And especially no science that hitters gain more benefit than pitchers. And any claims to be able to spot steroid users based upon their statistics are absurd.

What type of science are you referring to? What type of immeasurable statistic would you like to see documented? Put a bunch of guys on steroids and others not on steroids, then run a randomized control trial on how much better the guys on steroids do? Give me some examples on the type of proof you want to see that steroids give a huge advantage to the guys taking them. You really can't connect the dots between when the MLB started cracking down on PEDs and guys quit hitting over 50 homeruns with ease? You have made an argument that is impossible for you to lose because what you're asking for is impossible to measure. When pressed about it, you keep going back to the "lack of science" stance. If we needed absolute proof that things existed in this world before acknowledging them, we couldn't be sure of much of anything. You come off looking very uninformed or very uneducated when it comes this "science" you keep referring to. I'm seriously considering you are on some lame fishing trip in here.

No you can't connect the dots with ease. Offense saw a much more stark decline after the ban of amphetamines in comparison to the ban of steroids. The HR boom also was shortly after both expansion and the introduction of many new HR friendly parks.

Plus, the variable no one can really control - the ball itself. MLB has screwed with the construction of the baseball on plenty of occasions and most believe its happened much more often than the league has acknowledged. There really is no other logical explanation for the offensive explosion of the 1987 season. Add in the facts we know velocity is a great help to pitchers and steroids have been shown to help velocity directly, the simple conclusion most people want to draw isn't so simple.

But hey, Jeff Bagwell lifted weights and hit a lot of HRs, so he's obviously dirty. But Guillermo Mota obviously was clean.

I'm late to the party and haven't read all 12 pages, but is your contention that steroids weren't responsible for the crazy 70 HR seasons and don't give hitters that much of an advantage?

Sosa hit 60+ 3 times.......park factor?

El Nino

 

[St. Louis Bob]

lol

 

[Annyong]

Sosa took Flinstone vitamins.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Sosa took Flinstone vitamins.

Bam-Bam been berry berry good to me.

 

[tom22406]

Braun reminds me of this guy

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/644/819/palmeiro_congress_original.jpg?1355202813

 

[Wrigley]

Braun reminds me of this guy

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/644/819/palmeiro_congress_original.jpg?1355202813

without the awesome stash

 

[T Bell]

Braun reminds me of this guy

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/644/819/palmeiro_congress_original.jpg?1355202813

Brauneiro

 

[flapgreen]

Braun reminds me of this guy

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/644/819/palmeiro_congress_original.jpg?1355202813

 

[Wrigley]

Whistle-blower: Not only MLB players

Fischer said he and associates have identified athletes from the NBA, NCAA, professional boxing, tennis and MMA, in addition to other professional baseball players who have not yet been identified. As far as he knows, Fischer said, Bosch had no clients from the NFL or NHL.

Question: do other sports even care?

 

[sho nuff]

Whistle-blower: Not only MLB players

Fischer said he and associates have identified athletes from the NBA, NCAA, professional boxing, tennis and MMA, in addition to other professional baseball players who have not yet been identified. As far as he knows, Fischer said, Bosch had no clients from the NFL or NHL.

Question: do other sports even care?

Im kind of surprised he had no clients from the NFL...but had some tennis players.

 

[RUSF18]

ARod gets a second opinion from a doctor without team knowledge or permission. Doctor says he can play. He tells Yankees he expects to play Friday. All per ESPNRadio.

This is getting good.

This is off topic and I'm not shooting you as the messenger (I know ESPN Radio did report all this), but the doctor says all this in an interview with Francesa on WFAN radio, and an hour later ESPN Radio reports this as their own with no attribution. I ####### hate that company.

 

[Koya]

Braun reminds me of this guy

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/644/819/palmeiro_congress_original.jpg?1355202813

Brauneiro

A very handsome looking Jewtino.

 

[sho nuff]

Sosa took Flinstone vitamins.

Bam-Bam been berry berry good to me.

Had a blackjack dealer from DR one night in Tunica. Was a buddy's bachelor party so we were well liquored up and doing pretty well at the tables.

After a while he bet me to get the dealer to say baseball been very very good to me like Sosa. Got him to say it...then offered the dealer better tips if he would say it anytime he dealt us blackjack. He did...quite a fun night.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

This whole thing feels an awful lot like the Vick case. People losing their minds and demanding more punishment than is meted out to players that beat their wives, drive drunk or kill someone with their car.

Not really...while I don't go in line with those just calling him a POS...he lied...he cheated...he is getting the games he deserves for that (in a way).

Not defending him...but going for 100 games when that is the punishment for the 2nd infraction seems odd...since the first infraction "legally" never happened.

Didn't the union guy interviewed during the All Star game more or less say that these suspensions are not governed by any of this? That baseball can do more or less whatever they want as this is outside the scope of those standards?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you guys are misapplying precedents to draw certain conclusions when there are no such precedents.

 

[sho nuff]

could be...just always thought it was 50 for the first hit, 100 for the second

 

[T Bell]

Braun reminds me of this guy

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/644/819/palmeiro_congress_original.jpg?1355202813

Brauneiro

A very handsome looking Jewtino.

LAWL

 

[Mario Kart]

If MLB wants A-Roid out for 2 years, seems like they want him to retire and never come back. Two years is a long time at his age. Bye-bye career.

 

[dparker713]

If MLB wants A-Roid out for 2 years, seems like they want him to retire and never come back. Two years is a long time at his age. Bye-bye career.

ARod has 64 million reasons to come back even if they suspend him for all of next season, let alone the 30 million in incentives he could potentially attain.

 

[Daywalker]

If MLB wants A-Roid out for 2 years, seems like they want him to retire and never come back. Two years is a long time at his age. Bye-bye career.

ARod has 64 million reasons to come back even if they suspend him for all of next season, let alone the 30 million in incentives he could potentially attain.

Would make a yankee buyout a lot more manageable though.

 

[Raider Nation]

Man, A-Fraud is so effed.

Recruiting other players to cheat. Good work. His name will be erased from MLB history and he'll be forced to give back his Little League trophies.

 

[Disco Stu]

Sosa took Flinstone vitamins.

Bam-Bam been berry berry good to me.

Had a blackjack dealer from DR one night in Tunica. Was a buddy's bachelor party so we were well liquored up and doing pretty well at the tables.

After a while he bet me to get the dealer to say baseball been very very good to me like Sosa. Got him to say it...then offered the dealer better tips if he would say it anytime he dealt us blackjack. He did...quite a fun night.

 

[culdeus]

If he does take a 200 game suspension don't the Yankees come with a buyout within 30 seconds? I'm not sure what the buyout would look like, 30? 40 Mil?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If he does take a 200 game suspension don't the Yankees come with a buyout within 30 seconds? I'm not sure what the buyout would look like, 30? 40 Mil?

Why would ARod accept anything less than full value?

 

[Disco Stu]

LAWL

List of known FBG license plates...

1. styrkerpks

2. Mr Pack

3. GM

4. Guster

5. Homer

 

[=Smackdown=]

Arod wait . . . .

Good riddance Slappy McBlue Lips

 

[Abraham]

Can someone update me on the a rod stuff? Saw something on espn ticket about how they are not going after him for peds but rather for labor violations. What does that mean?

 

[=Smackdown=]

Can someone update me on the a rod stuff? Saw something on espn ticket about how they are not going after him for peds but rather for labor violations. What does that mean?

Conduct detrimental to the league.

Actively recruiting other player to this shady clininc in Florida. Selig is either bluffing or he has a ton of evidence.

 

[culdeus]

If he does take a 200 game suspension don't the Yankees come with a buyout within 30 seconds? I'm not sure what the buyout would look like, 30? 40 Mil?

Why would ARod accept anything less than full value?

Because the Yankees might try to get out of the whole thing?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

If he does take a 200 game suspension don't the Yankees come with a buyout within 30 seconds? I'm not sure what the buyout would look like, 30? 40 Mil?

Why would ARod accept anything less than full value?

Because the Yankees might try to get out of the whole thing?

Yeah, but why would ARod let them off for anything less than full value?

 

[avoiding injuries]

If he does take a 200 game suspension don't the Yankees come with a buyout within 30 seconds? I'm not sure what the buyout would look like, 30? 40 Mil?

Why would ARod accept anything less than full value?

Because the Yankees might try to get out of the whole thing?

Yeah, but why would ARod let them off for anything less than full value?

Because the MLBPA is distancing itself from this scandal and it may end up being a good deal for ARod.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

So is MLB simply waiting for the trading deadline to pass before bringing down the hammer?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Sosa took Flinstone vitamins.

Bam-Bam been berry berry good to me.

Had a blackjack dealer from DR one night in Tunica. Was a buddy's bachelor party so we were well liquored up and doing pretty well at the tables.

After a while he bet me to get the dealer to say baseball been very very good to me like Sosa. Got him to say it...then offered the dealer better tips if he would say it anytime he dealt us blackjack. He did...quite a fun night.

That's a pretty demeaning thing that you shouldn't be proud of.

 

[dparker713]

Can someone update me on the a rod stuff? Saw something on espn ticket about how they are not going after him for peds but rather for labor violations. What does that mean?

Conduct detrimental to the league.

Actively recruiting other player to this shady clininc in Florida. Selig is either bluffing or he has a ton of evidence.

Don't see how having evidence would actually matter in this case. The JDA covers PED use, PED distribution and interfering with a PED investigation. Bud would essentially be voiding that agreement to discipline ARod immediately, before the appeals process occurs. That's really risky as ARod would surely bring that to court and every time MLB goes to court they risk exposing their books and their anti-trust exemption.

Seems like this is personal for Selig. He's actually making ARod seem sympathetic.

 

[dparker713]

If he does take a 200 game suspension don't the Yankees come with a buyout within 30 seconds? I'm not sure what the buyout would look like, 30? 40 Mil?

Why would ARod accept anything less than full value?

Because the Yankees might try to get out of the whole thing?

Yeah, but why would ARod let them off for anything less than full value?

Because the MLBPA is distancing itself from this scandal and it may end up being a good deal for ARod.

ARod doesn't need the MLBPA for anything in this case. He can certainly afford a highly skilled legal team on his own.

 

[Abraham]

I think whoever posted about the jda is spot on. A Rods lawyers have likely adviser him that a strong and long defense can put baseball at risk as well and that is the route they are taking.

 

[Michael Brown]

Can someone update me on the a rod stuff? Saw something on espn ticket about how they are not going after him for peds but rather for labor violations. What does that mean?

Conduct detrimental to the league.

Actively recruiting other player to this shady clininc in Florida. Selig is either bluffing or he has a ton of evidence.

Don't see how having evidence would actually matter in this case. The JDA covers PED use, PED distribution and interfering with a PED investigation. Bud would essentially be voiding that agreement to discipline ARod immediately, before the appeals process occurs. That's really risky as ARod would surely bring that to court and every time MLB goes to court they risk exposing their books and their anti-trust exemption.

Seems like this is personal for Selig. He's actually making ARod seem sympathetic.

On what planet???

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I love the contrast between Brewers fans, who would still defend Braun if they could find a way and Yankees fans, who are leading the lynch mob.

 

[SofaKings]

I love the contrast between Brewers fans, who would still defend Braun if they could find a way and Yankees fans, who are leading the lynch mob.

red state v blue state

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I love the contrast between Brewers fans, who would still defend Braun if they could find a way and Yankees fans, who are leading the lynch mob.

red state v blue state

Oh, I love this game.

What are their lips?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I love the contrast between Brewers fans, who would still defend Braun if they could find a way and Yankees fans, who are leading the lynch mob.

Yeah, I never liked the guy. Although my "bloodlust" here if you want to call it that, is simply to be done with the whole thing. I'm tired of the PED talk. I don't care what they take now they take it or why they take it. I really don't. Inject anything you want into your body. I find a lot of the PED talk ridiculous in this day and age. Mickey Mantle took cortizone shots to keep playing and Hank Aaron admitted to taking amphetamines. They are really no different to me than steriods at this point. And I'll even go down the slippery slope of saying better nutrition, over the counter medicines and medical care all play a part as well. There are just different eras in the game and athletes of all shapes and sizes will always eat drink ingest inject wipe breath or transplant anything they can into and onto their bodies to get an edge and, ultimately, entertain me. Go for it. Don't care.

And I'm just tired of it. It's going to take the decapitation of a major star to finally get us close to the end of this talk being the most important in baseball. So, do it already. And get it over with so we can move on.

 

[shadyridr]

I love the contrast between Brewers fans, who would still defend Braun if they could find a way and Yankees fans, who are leading the lynch mob.

MB & RN can confirm this, but Ive been one of the few supporters of the guy throughout the years. Even I cant support him anymore. The guy is a vile cheater and habitual liar that needs to be removed from the game.

The two questions I have are, why would he lie about this but tell the truth about the first test he failed? And I always thought of ARod as a very selfish guy who only cared about himself. Why on Earth would he help other players get PEDs from the Biogenesis clinic? This makes no sense to me.

 

[B-Deep]

I love the contrast between Brewers fans, who would still defend Braun if they could find a way and Yankees fans, who are leading the lynch mob.

Yeah, I never liked the guy. Although my "bloodlust" here if you want to call it that, is simply to be done with the whole thing. I'm tired of the PED talk. I don't care what they take now they take it or why they take it. I really don't. Inject anything you want into your body. I find a lot of the PED talk ridiculous in this day and age. Mickey Mantle took cortizone shots to keep playing and Hank Aaron admitted to taking amphetamines. They are really no different to me than steriods at this point. And I'll even go down the slippery slope of saying better nutrition, over the counter medicines and medical care all play a part as well. There are just different eras in the game and athletes of all shapes and sizes will always eat drink ingest inject wipe breath or transplant anything they can into and onto their bodies to get an edge and, ultimately, entertain me. Go for it. Don't care.

And I'm just tired of it. It's going to take the decapitation of a major star to finally get us close to the end of this talk being the most important in baseball. So, do it already. And get it over with so we can move on.

be honest

if he was leading the league in home runs and the yanks were in first place you'd not be wanting him gone....

you may still not LIKE him, but you would not want him gone nor would the yankees

his prima donna 'tude an his roids are tolerable when he performs, his problem is he is not performing