20+ MLB players to be suspended? Braun, A-Rod? (2 Viewers)

[pollardsvision]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

 

[Balco]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

 

[shadyridr]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

 

[pollardsvision]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

Selig is such an idiot.

The Pittsburgh Pirates have the best record in baseball on the eve of August and Selig wants to make headlines trying to ban a 37 YO washed up 3B for life.

Just give him a 50-game suspension and move on.

 

[The General]

The reports are he busted for using PEDs with the Biogenesis place. The evidence being similar to what they had on Braun which was enough to make that weasel take his punishment.

ARod according to the reports tried to buy all the evidence off the Biogenesis guy.

 

[Raider Nation]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

Correct. This is an important distinction.

 

[pollardsvision]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

I don't know the language of the CBA on this and probably wouldn't understand if I had seen it, but that sounds like a reach.

An HGH user suggested it to other players and tried to destroy the evidence their own use? What a revelation.

 

[Raider Nation]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

I don't know the language of the CBA on this and probably wouldn't understand if I had seen it, but that sounds like a reach.

An HGH user suggested it to other players and tried to destroy the evidence their own use? What a revelation.

He's done any way you cut it. If they suspend him for the balance of this season and next season, which is reasonable, it will effectively end his career. He will be a 40-year-old admitted cheater who chokes in the playoffs, hadn't played in two years, and had to rehab a very serious injury, from which nobody could possibly know he'll be fully recovered. Teams will be lining up around the block to employ him.

 

[dparker713]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

Correct. This is an important distinction.

They can make that claim, but it'll be up to a federal judge to determine whether that's true.

 

[pollardsvision]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

I don't know the language of the CBA on this and probably wouldn't understand if I had seen it, but that sounds like a reach.

An HGH user suggested it to other players and tried to destroy the evidence their own use? What a revelation.

He's done any way you cut it. If they suspend him for the balance of this season and next season, which is reasonable, it will effectively end his career. He will be a 40-year-old admitted cheater who chokes in the playoffs, hadn't played in two years, and had to rehab a very serious injury, from which nobody could possibly know he'll be fully recovered. Teams will be lining up around the block to employ him.

Wouldn't he be a 40-year-old admitted cheater who chokes in the playoffs, hadn't played in two years, and had to rehab a very serious injury, from which nobody could possibly know he'll be fully recovered that they Yankees still owe $40 mill. to?

 

[dparker713]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

I don't know the language of the CBA on this and probably wouldn't understand if I had seen it, but that sounds like a reach.

An HGH user suggested it to other players and tried to destroy the evidence their own use? What a revelation.

He's done any way you cut it. If they suspend him for the balance of this season and next season, which is reasonable, it will effectively end his career. He will be a 40-year-old admitted cheater who chokes in the playoffs, hadn't played in two years, and had to rehab a very serious injury, from which nobody could possibly know he'll be fully recovered. Teams will be lining up around the block to employ him.

How is a 200+ game suspension for a first offense reasonable?

 

[Balco]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

Correct. This is an important distinction.

I disagree. Invoking integrity of the game does nothing. The fact is he used PED's. As did Peralta, Montero, Braun . . .etc. To ban him for life for the same actions as others who are receiving 50 games, will not hold up in front of an arbitrator. It is completely illogical.

 

[The General]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

I don't know the language of the CBA on this and probably wouldn't understand if I had seen it, but that sounds like a reach.

An HGH user suggested it to other players and tried to destroy the evidence their own use? What a revelation.

He's done any way you cut it. If they suspend him for the balance of this season and next season, which is reasonable, it will effectively end his career. He will be a 40-year-old admitted cheater who chokes in the playoffs, hadn't played in two years, and had to rehab a very serious injury, from which nobody could possibly know he'll be fully recovered. Teams will be lining up around the block to employ him.

How is a 200+ game suspension for a first offense reasonable?

The report I read had him using over a course of 2 years.

On top of that what MLB doesn't seem to appreciate is the tampering with the investigation.

If this is all true good riddance.

 

[pollardsvision]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

I don't know the language of the CBA on this and probably wouldn't understand if I had seen it, but that sounds like a reach.

An HGH user suggested it to other players and tried to destroy the evidence their own use? What a revelation.

He's done any way you cut it. If they suspend him for the balance of this season and next season, which is reasonable, it will effectively end his career. He will be a 40-year-old admitted cheater who chokes in the playoffs, hadn't played in two years, and had to rehab a very serious injury, from which nobody could possibly know he'll be fully recovered. Teams will be lining up around the block to employ him.

How is a 200+ game suspension for a first offense reasonable?

Apparently, there's language in the CBA that distinguishes PED users from PED users that try to cover up the evidence that they did it.

And apparently, trying (and failing) to destroy the evidence of the offense carries a punishment 5-10X greater than the offense itself.

 

[The General]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or something

Ike that

Correct. This is an important distinction.

I disagree. Invoking integrity of the game does nothing. The fact is he used PED's. As did Peralta, Montero, Braun . . .etc. To ban him for life for the same actions as others who are receiving 50 games, will not hold up in front of an arbitrator. It is completely illogical.

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or something

Ike that

Correct. This is an important distinction.

I disagree. Invoking integrity of the game does nothing. The fact is he used PED's. As did Peralta, Montero, Braun . . .etc. To ban him for life for the same actions as others who are receiving 50 games, will not hold up in front of an arbitrator. It is completely illogical.

This is exactly why MLB is suspending him for life if the reports are true. It's a conduct code thing not a drug suspension thing.

 

[Abraham]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

I don't know the language of the CBA on this and probably wouldn't understand if I had seen it, but that sounds like a reach.

An HGH user suggested it to other players and tried to destroy the evidence their own use? What a revelation.

He's done any way you cut it. If they suspend him for the balance of this season and next season, which is reasonable, it will effectively end his career. He will be a 40-year-old admitted cheater who chokes in the playoffs, hadn't played in two years, and had to rehab a very serious injury, from which nobody could possibly know he'll be fully recovered. Teams will be lining up around the block to employ him.

How is a 200+ game suspension for a first offense reasonable?

Apparently, there's language in the CBA that distinguishes PED users from PED users that try to cover up the evidence that they did it.

And apparently, trying (and failing) to destroy the evidence of the offense carries a punishment 5-10X greater than the offense itself.

And he can point to melky's fake website that only got him 50 games and say "what gives?"

 

[Joe McGee]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

I don't know the language of the CBA on this and probably wouldn't understand if I had seen it, but that sounds like a reach.

An HGH user suggested it to other players and tried to destroy the evidence their own use? What a revelation.

He's done any way you cut it. If they suspend him for the balance of this season and next season, which is reasonable, it will effectively end his career. He will be a 40-year-old admitted cheater who chokes in the playoffs, hadn't played in two years, and had to rehab a very serious injury, from which nobody could possibly know he'll be fully recovered. Teams will be lining up around the block to employ him.

How is a 200+ game suspension for a first offense reasonable?

Apparently, there's language in the CBA that distinguishes PED users from PED users that try to cover up the evidence that they did it.

And apparently, trying (and failing) to destroy the evidence of the offense carries a punishment 5-10X greater than the offense itself.

MLB is entering uncharted territory. It's probably why they are attempting to force A-rod into a plea deal. I would imagine an arbitrator will reduce the suspension to around 100 games (just IMHO) but then A-rod will get crushed even worse in the court of public opinion once all of the evidence comes out.

He might as well fight it - his career is essentially over. It's mostly a question of how much of that albatross of a contract he gets to keep at this point and if the Yankees are on the hook for the whole salary.

A-rod can't win at this point but the lawyers can and will.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

This is going to be good.

 

[flapgreen]

Ban him for being an idiot.

 

[The General]

It appears Arod may be blinking. TJ Quinn whose been all over this story is now reporting that ARod has reps talking settlement with MLB.

 

[Raider Nation]

NEW YORK (AP) — Major League Baseball is threatening to kick Alex Rodriguez out of the game for life unless the New York Yankees star agrees not to fight a lengthy suspension for his role in the sport's latest drug scandal, according to a person familiar with the discussions.

The person spoke to The Associated Press on Wednesday on condition of anonymity because no statements were authorized.

Whether Commissioner Bud Selig would actually issue a lifetime suspension was unclear and a permanent ban could be shortened by arbitrator Fredric Horowitz to about 200 games, the person said.

The number of players likely to be disciplined stood at 14 Wednesday.

Front and center is Rodriguez, baseball's highest-paid player and the most prominent one linked in media reports over the past seven months to Biogenesis of America, a closed Florida anti-aging clinic that allegedly distributed banned performance-enhancing drugs.

The Yankees expected Rodriguez to be accused of recruiting other athletes for the clinic, attempting to obstruct MLB's investigation, and not being truthful with MLB in the past. Baseball has considered suspending him for violations of its labor contract and drug agreement.

 

[Mario Kart]

The real winner in the life time ban scenario is... Pete Rose. He may have company to go to dinner with now.

And, A-Roid was acting like the pimp in this whole thing. If true, he deserves a much harsher penalty.

 

[Annyong]

Guys, we all know Rodriguez is a ding dong. Can we please stop with the A-Roid stuff? Its not funny or clever.

 

[shadyridr]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

I don't know the language of the CBA on this and probably wouldn't understand if I had seen it, but that sounds like a reach.

An HGH user suggested it to other players and tried to destroy the evidence their own use? What a revelation.

He's done any way you cut it. If they suspend him for the balance of this season and next season, which is reasonable, it will effectively end his career. He will be a 40-year-old admitted cheater who chokes in the playoffs, hadn't played in two years, and had to rehab a very serious injury, from which nobody could possibly know he'll be fully recovered. Teams will be lining up around the block to employ him.

hed still be under contract with the yankees

 

[shadyridr]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

Correct. This is an important distinction.

I disagree. Invoking integrity of the game does nothing. The fact is he used PED's. As did Peralta, Montero, Braun . . .etc. To ban him for life for the same actions as others who are receiving 50 games, will not hold up in front of an arbitrator. It is completely illogical.

same actions? He tried to buy and destroy evidence. He was uncooperative with MLB.

 

[Raider Nation]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

I don't know the language of the CBA on this and probably wouldn't understand if I had seen it, but that sounds like a reach.

An HGH user suggested it to other players and tried to destroy the evidence their own use? What a revelation.

He's done any way you cut it. If they suspend him for the balance of this season and next season, which is reasonable, it will effectively end his career. He will be a 40-year-old admitted cheater who chokes in the playoffs, hadn't played in two years, and had to rehab a very serious injury, from which nobody could possibly know he'll be fully recovered. Teams will be lining up around the block to employ him.

hed still be under contract with the yankees

He'd never play another game in pinstripes even if they were forced to pay him every dime.

 

[T Bell]

How is a 200+ game suspension for a first offense reasonable?

If he tried to bribe his way into a cover-up, and he was a central ringleader in bringing other players in as "customers" of this drug clinic, then...

 

[T Bell]

It appears Arod may be blinking. TJ Quinn whose been all over this story is now reporting that ARod has reps talking settlement with MLB.

Of course he does. If his career ends with a suspension that either is or is tantamount to a career-ending suspension, then that's what he'll forever be remembered for. He'll be Pete Rose II, and maybe worse given that Pete's at least a folk hero for some; ARod was never Charlie Hustle.

ARod has always been overwhelmingly worried about his image. It's why he went to NY and it's why he's always hated Jeter for being more popular with fans than he is.

 

[dparker713]

How is a 200+ game suspension for a first offense reasonable?

If he tried to bribe his way into a cover-up, and he was a central ringleader in bringing other players in as "customers" of this drug clinic, then...

Being a dealer is covered under the JDA. However, without evidence ARod received compensation for referrals that charge wouldn't stand up, nor would the penalty for that come anywhere near the length they're discussing. As for covering up, Melky Cabrera lied to investigators and attempted to deceive them with a fake website. He got 50 games.

This is obviously either personal for Bud, or its a favor for the Steinbrenners.

 

[dparker713]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

Correct. This is an important distinction.

I disagree. Invoking integrity of the game does nothing. The fact is he used PED's. As did Peralta, Montero, Braun . . .etc. To ban him for life for the same actions as others who are receiving 50 games, will not hold up in front of an arbitrator. It is completely illogical.

same actions? He tried to buy and destroy evidence. He was uncooperative with MLB.

Look up what Melky did. Very similar actions.

 

[Michael Brown]

Similar, but not the same. ARod tried to purchase evidence with the assumed intent to destroy it. Melky created more evidence than there already was.

 

[Joe McGee]

What happens to his salary while he's suspended? Does it go to charity or do the Yankees get to keep it?

 

[JuniorNB]

Guys, we all know Rodriguez is a ding dong. Can we please stop with the A-Roid stuff? Its not funny or clever.

Bill Belicheat disagrees

 

[Balco]

Similar, but not the same. ARod tried to purchase evidence with the assumed intent to destroy it. Melky created more evidence than there already was.

Similar but not the same warrants a lifetime ban instead of 50 games?

 

[Tom Servo]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

Correct. This is an important distinction.

They can make that claim, but it'll be up to a federal judge to determine whether that's true.

Rodriguez could be punished under Article XII B of the Basic Agreement, which states: "Players may be disciplined for just cause for conduct that is materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of baseball including, but not limited to,

engaging in conduct in violation of federal, state or local law." Pretty sure trying to buy evidence for its destruction falls under the bolded.

 

[Tom Servo]

Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports.

What am I missing here?

No matter how much evidence Biogenesis actually has, how would a lifetime ban be possible?

There is zero chance a lifetime ban would be upheld by an arbitrator. He has never been suspended for PED's before.

hes not invoking the drug policy but the collective bargaining agreement and the integrity of the game or somethingIke that

Correct. This is an important distinction.

I disagree. Invoking integrity of the game does nothing. The fact is he used PED's. As did Peralta, Montero, Braun . . .etc. To ban him for life for the same actions as others who are receiving 50 games, will not hold up in front of an arbitrator. It is completely illogical.

same actions? He tried to buy and destroy evidence. He was uncooperative with MLB.

Look up what Melky did. Very similar actions.

I missed the part where he tried to destroy evidence.

 

[Tom Servo]

What happens to his salary while he's suspended? Does it go to charity or do the Yankees get to keep it?

They keep it.

 

[dparker713]

Similar, but not the same. ARod tried to purchase evidence with the assumed intent to destroy it. Melky created more evidence than there already was.

Allegedly, both acted to impeded and deceive investigators. That's close enough for government work.

 

[greenroom]

So Arod is getting into trouble for doing what MLB did which was to purchase the evidence? Part of me would love to see ARod take this the distance, to show the dirty secrets that MLB does not want out. Which is why they are trying to push this through with no appeals.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I have no love lost for Arod - i think its kind of funny that he could be banned for life after everyone was clamoring for him to break Bonds' HR records to "clean up the game."

But, the whole PED-use-is-outrageuos crowd is among the most disingenuous groups out there.

Guys like PED users are what built America. People willing to work hard, and cut a few corners to get there.

Its ok for someone to get LASIK surgery to improve their performance, but not take something that lets them work harder? Tommy John surgery is fine, but not an injection to help quicken the recovery schedule?

People who object to PEDs on moral grounds are the same type of people that pushed for Prohibition. Cut the sanctimonious bull####, and worry about your own life imo.

 

[dparker713]

Pretty sure trying to buy evidence for its destruction falls under the bolded.Rodriguez could be punished under Article XII B of the Basic Agreement, which states: "Players may be disciplined for just cause for conduct that is materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of baseball including, but not limited to, engaging in conduct in violation of federal, state or local law."

Pretty sure trying to buy evidence for its destruction falls under the bolded.

Then why have a JDA at all? All of the violations ARod is accused of are covered in that agreement, yet MLB is seeking to void that agreement just in this one case. And trust me, if Bud tries to suspend ARod before his appeal is heard, this'll end up in federal court extremely quickly.

 

[shadyridr]

I have no love lost for Arod - i think its kind of funny that he could be banned for life after everyone was clamoring for him to break Bonds' HR records to "clean up the game."

But, the whole PED-use-is-outrageuos crowd is among the most disingenuous groups out there.

Guys like PED users are what built America. People willing to work hard, and cut a few corners to get there.

Its ok for someone to get LASIK surgery to improve their performance, but not take something that lets them work harder? Tommy John surgery is fine, but not an injection to help quicken the recovery schedule?

People who object to PEDs on moral grounds are the same type of people that pushed for Prohibition. Cut the sanctimonious bull####, and worry about your own life imo.

LASIK surgery and Tommy John surgery have no serious side effects like PEDs. Sure, what these guys are willing to sacrafice and put in their body is one thing. But do we really want HS kids and college kids thinking they have to use PEDs (thus risking long term health) so they can play the game they love?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I have no love lost for Arod - i think its kind of funny that he could be banned for life after everyone was clamoring for him to break Bonds' HR records to "clean up the game."

But, the whole PED-use-is-outrageuos crowd is among the most disingenuous groups out there.

Guys like PED users are what built America. People willing to work hard, and cut a few corners to get there.

Its ok for someone to get LASIK surgery to improve their performance, but not take something that lets them work harder? Tommy John surgery is fine, but not an injection to help quicken the recovery schedule?

People who object to PEDs on moral grounds are the same type of people that pushed for Prohibition. Cut the sanctimonious bull####, and worry about your own life imo.

LASIK surgery and Tommy John surgery have no serious side effects like PEDs. Sure, what these guys are willing to sacrafice and put in their body is one thing. But do we really want HS kids and college kids thinking they have to use PEDs (thus risking long term health) so they can play the game they love?

Life is about risk v. reward.

It takes "X" talent level to play in the major leagues and reap the rewards of multi-million dollar contracts. You can be born with "X" talent level, or you can achieve "X" talent level at some cost. It should be up to individuals to weigh those benefits and costs. Governments and institutions do not have a great track record in providing paternal oversight.

 

[Keerock]

I have no love lost for Arod - i think its kind of funny that he could be banned for life after everyone was clamoring for him to break Bonds' HR records to "clean up the game."

But, the whole PED-use-is-outrageuos crowd is among the most disingenuous groups out there.

Guys like PED users are what built America. People willing to work hard, and cut a few corners to get there.

Its ok for someone to get LASIK surgery to improve their performance, but not take something that lets them work harder? Tommy John surgery is fine, but not an injection to help quicken the recovery schedule?

People who object to PEDs on moral grounds are the same type of people that pushed for Prohibition. Cut the sanctimonious bull####, and worry about your own life imo.

LASIK surgery and Tommy John surgery have no serious side effects like PEDs. Sure, what these guys are willing to sacrafice and put in their body is one thing. But do we really want HS kids and college kids thinking they have to use PEDs (thus risking long term health) so they can play the game they love?

The Rub.

 

[Sinn Fein]

But do we really want HS kids and college kids thinking they have to use PEDs (thus risking long term health) so they can play the game they love?

BTW - thats just dumb.

There are probably in the neighborhood of 500,000 kids playing HS baseball - there are about 800 MLB jobs. SO, 99.8% of all HS players will never be good enough to play in the major leagues - with, or without, PEDs.

And, nobody gets to do everything they love - just because they "love it".

 

[roadkill1292]

I don't know if I'm ready to require baseball players to risk their health to hit a couple of more home runs for the entertainment of a few baseball fans.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

But do we really want HS kids and college kids thinking they have to use PEDs (thus risking long term health) so they can play the game they love?

BTW - thats just dumb.

There are probably in the neighborhood of 500,000 kids playing HS baseball - there are about 800 MLB jobs. SO, 99.8% of all HS players will never be good enough to play in the major leagues - with, or without, PEDs.

And, nobody gets to do everything they love - just because they "love it".

And Bud Selig's will have little to do with what these HS players are pushed (or run) into.

 

[TobiasFunke]

But do we really want HS kids and college kids thinking they have to use PEDs (thus risking long term health) so they can play the game they love?

BTW - thats just dumb.

There are probably in the neighborhood of 500,000 kids playing HS baseball - there are about 800 MLB jobs. SO, 99.8% of all HS players will never be good enough to play in the major leagues - with, or without, PEDs.

And, nobody gets to do everything they love - just because they "love it".

You seem to be under the very mistaken impression that there aren't a lot of people who wrongly believe they have a good chance to play sports professionally. There are literally millions of kids that fit the description. So I'm not sure what your statistics have to do with anything- usage wouldn't be limited to 0.2% of high school athletes. Not even close.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I have no love lost for Arod - i think its kind of funny that he could be banned for life after everyone was clamoring for him to break Bonds' HR records to "clean up the game."

But, the whole PED-use-is-outrageuos crowd is among the most disingenuous groups out there.

Guys like PED users are what built America. People willing to work hard, and cut a few corners to get there.

Its ok for someone to get LASIK surgery to improve their performance, but not take something that lets them work harder? Tommy John surgery is fine, but not an injection to help quicken the recovery schedule?

People who object to PEDs on moral grounds are the same type of people that pushed for Prohibition. Cut the sanctimonious bull####, and worry about your own life imo.

LASIK surgery and Tommy John surgery have no serious side effects like PEDs.

Spoken like somebody who has never had LASIK.

<----PES

 

[NCCommish]

If A-Rod was hitting .350 with 40 HR and 100 RBI right now, I'd want him suspended. Choose to not believe me if you wish, but I hated Gary Sheffield the entire time he was putting up great stats for the Yanks. I'm a baseball fan first and a Yankee fan second, and I want nothing to do with steroid cheats.

Every game, from Monopoly up to MLB, has rules. Without rules, you have a different game. If you break the rules, you don't get to play.

I agree. We should suspend for 100 games any player that steps out of the batters box without being granted time and any pitcher that takes longer than 12 seconds to pitch with the bases empty.

If you don't mind me asking, why do you have such a semmingly large hate for this "thing" that is going on?

I don't think this is in the best interests of baseball. Have a drug testing program. Suspend players that get caught. Move on. The investigation, if it were going to happen, should have been done discretely.

If the league hadn't leaked Braun's positive test, we'd have never heard of his appeal and then they wouldn't have egg on their face for losing and feel the need to get him. If they'd basically ignored the Biogenesis report, this would have been old news months ago. If they'd kept leak free, this wouldn't have been the only baseball topic people have mentioned outside of Puig and Chris Davis.

Plus, I feel like the players involved are getting railroaded. Suspending Braun extra time for winning an appeal? Giving players extra time for not cooperating? Suspending a player without recourse because you don't like him? MLB has been bullies since the start of this thing - intimidating witnesses, abusing the discovery process, paying for testimony, using connections to sway the Feds.

I feel no moral outrage over the use of steroids or other drugs, many of which would be prescribed for legitimate purposes. The line between what is and is not allowed is fairly arbitrary. I also feel no outrage over public figures lying in the press. That's partially a price of a PC society, and partially just human nature.

Also, I see ARod along the lines of TO. Sure, he's weird and does stupid things, but he's hardly the worst human being in the league as so many seem to want to make him. He's also one of the greatest players to ever live and I'd rather watch him play than have him banned from the league.

So if they would have just ignored the evidence then it would all be honky dory?

Yes. You see Roger Goodell trying to turn shady clinic owners into rats?

He doesn't because it's a really dumb thing to do.

Actually, I'd be a little scared to call Goodell's office and say, "hey I've got evidence that Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and 20 other players used HGH. Should we do lunch". I assume Goodell would have me whacked before meeting with me.

And yet the owners are forcing an HGH testing regime on the league. Not sure you understand the priorities that have been set by the owners.