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20 Redskins to Pro Bowl? (1 Viewer)

tombonneau

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As a marketing director, this makes me :lmao: .

As a football fan, it makes me :towelwave:

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20 Redskins in Pro Bowl? Look at voting

By JOSEPH WHITE, AP Sports Writer 2 hours, 47 minutes ago

ASHBURN, Va. (AP)—Randy Thomas stared in puzzled silence at the numbers for the longest time, then finally starting laughing. If the Pro Bowl voting were to end right now, the veteran right guard would be on his way to Hawaii—along with 19 of his Washington Redskins teammates.

“You’ve got to be kidding me,” Thomas said. “Wow.”

So far, it’s the Redskins in a burgundy state landslide. Fans have responded in droves to an aggressive get-out-the-vote campaign conducted by one of the most market-savvy teams in the NFL, putting virtually everyone in the lineup— even those who haven’t played much or have played well below Pro Bowl caliber— ahead of the pack in the NFC.

“It’s a surprise,” said Khary Campbell—that’s right, Khary Campbell— who has a lead of more than 2-to-1 over his nearest competitor in voting for special teams specialist. “But I’m happy to see our fans showing the overwhelming support they do have for us.”

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The Redskins’ campaign has been so effective that the NFL felt the need to raise the issue in an e-mail sent last week to the digital media departments of all 32 teams by George Scott, the league’s general manager, club sites, at NFL Digital Media.

“As it stands right now, the Redskins are leading the NFC ballots in 16 of 19 positions,” said the e-mail, a copy of which was provided to The Associated Press. “It’s no surprise, given that they have been promoting this all season long. … This would be a great weekend to promote Pro Bowl voting to your fans. Let me know if you need any ideas or support from the league (or the Redskins) in this important initiative.”

Right now, eight of the 11 NFC starters on both offense and defense would be Redskins, plus all four special teams players. Shawn Springs, who has missed six games with injuries, is the leading vote-getter at cornerback. Mike Sellers has one-third of the votes for fullback, giving him a huge margin over his nearest competitor, Madison Hedgecock of the New York Giants. The Giants are 9-1, but their only vote leader is defensive end Justin Tuck.

That’s not to say all 20 Redskins are shoo-ins. Fan voting on nfl.com continues through Dec. 9, and it counts for only one-third of the total. Then the coaches and players are polled separately, each counting for one-third.

But some of the leads—including Sellers’—are so large they could be tough to surmount under the complex formula the NFL uses for apportioning votes. The situation is somewhat reminiscent of last season, when the ever-popular Dallas Cowboys sent 13 players to Hawaii.

At least those Cowboys were a 13-3 team. The Redskins’ decent but not spectacular record of 6-4 makes the overload of Pro Bowl love almost embarrassing, especially for a candid veteran such as Thomas, who frankly admitted he didn’t think he was playing at an all-star level.

“I guess I’m critical of myself,” Thomas said, “but I can always play better than what I’m been doing.”

The showering of votes represents another coup for Redskins owner Dan Snyder, whose marketing ploys have been far more successful than his football moves. In the spirit of the national presidential campaign, the team launched “Vote the Redskins Ticket” in October, featuring Hall of Fame legends Sonny Jurgensen and Sam Huff. They were the first two faces greeting anyone who visited the team’s Web site, and they graced the cover of the program at a recent home game.

“We encouraged our fans to vote for the Pro Bowl, and they responded in record numbers,” team spokesman Zack Bolno said. “Our fans are always enthusiastic and supportive of the Redskins and they demonstrated their passion by voting for their favorite players.”

The general concept was hardly a new one. Teams from all the major sports have been encouraging their fans to stuff all-star ballot boxes for decades, resulting in some absurd selections.

While flattered by the support from their fans, many Redskins agreed the votes from the coaches and players carry more credence. Ryan Plackemeier, the leading vote-getter among punters despite ranking 18th in average yards per kick, knows there’s a good chance he’s not going to stay at the top.

“I think having a big marketing thing can make a big difference if you’re second or third and they (the fans) get you into first,” Plackemeier said. “I don’t know if you’re in the middle-of-the-pack kind of thing they can bump you all the way up to first, but we’ll see.”

Besides, now that word is out the Redskins are dominating the voting, jealous fans across the country will take notice.

“Once other teams catch on,” Plackemeier said, “they’ll get some more votes for their guys.”
 
Obama's ACORN group in action - those children are unstoppable :mellow:
:sadbanana: :mellow:This is just sad. Makes the NFL Probowl an even bigger joke... if that was even possible.They should do away with the actual game and just have a "team" announced for honors. No one cares about it. Even the players opt out every year
 
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i'm a Cowboys fan, and even i thought the 13 or 14 or whatever it was, probowlers for the Cowboys last yr, was a joke. if 20 skins make it, they need to take away the fans ability to vote. or come up with a system that monitors the voting better.

 
from OP

That’s not to say all 20 Redskins are shoo-ins. Fan voting on nfl.com continues through Dec. 9, and it counts for only one-third of the total. Then the coaches and players are polled separately, each counting for one-third.

 
from OPThat’s not to say all 20 Redskins are shoo-ins. Fan voting on nfl.com continues through Dec. 9, and it counts for only one-third of the total. Then the coaches and players are polled separately, each counting for one-third.
True. But some marginal positions -- like Sellers at FB -- have such huge leads that given the complex formula the league uses to calculate the "final vote" between coaches, players & fans it will almost be impossible for them to lose.Maybe to commemorate the All Internet Team Pro Bowl, Rick Astley will sing the national anthem?
 
Why fan votes count at all is a mystery to me. How the hell I'm supposed to determine who the best 3 offensive tackles in foot ball are is beyond me. Which is why I don't vote for the pro bowl, I'm not qualified.

 
SunAir said:
Bizkiteer said:
CravenM said:
Obama's ACORN group in action - those children are unstoppable :thumbup:
Awww...is someone :cry: because they didn't get their way? Maybe if you lay down and kick your feet while screaming, that might help.
Getting his way? WTF does that have to do with WAS fans stuffing the ballot boxes?
BINGO, my point exactly...Obama has absolutely nothing to do with it! Sheesh! :bag: FYI - I don't think it's right and I'm a diehard fan of the 'Skins. If S. Moss or C. Portis make it in, understandable...but, J. Taylor & A. Carter and any of the other under performing players should not. Matter of fact, I voted and did not take all 'Skins because I vote for who I think deserves it by their play. Though I would admit that it would very hard to vote for a Cowboy.
 
I'm a 'Skins fan and I hated how 13 Cowboys made the Pro Bowl last year (including Roy Williams, the (un)Safety), and I don't like this either. I do think some unheralded Redskins deserve some serious Pro Bowl looks - Fletcher, Sellers, Rogers come to mind - but 20 is a joke.

 
Manster said:
i'm a Cowboys fan, and even i thought the 13 or 14 or whatever it was, probowlers for the Cowboys last yr, was a joke. if 20 skins make it, they need to take away the fans ability to vote. or come up with a system that monitors the voting better.
As much as it pains me to agree with a Cowboy... :no: :popcorn: Well said, hit the nail on the head!
 
Why fan votes count at all is a mystery to me. How the hell I'm supposed to determine who the best 3 offensive tackles in foot ball are is beyond me. Which is why I don't vote for the pro bowl, I'm not qualified.
I don't think fan votes are usually much worse than player votes or coaching/GM votes.At least when there's not ballot stuffing, which seems to be the case here.
 
I hope the Washington fans break the process so the NFL will be forced to come up with something better.

 
Why fan votes count at all is a mystery to me. How the hell I'm supposed to determine who the best 3 offensive tackles in foot ball are is beyond me. Which is why I don't vote for the pro bowl, I'm not qualified.
I don't think fan votes are usually much worse than player votes or coaching/GM votes.At least when there's not ballot stuffing, which seems to be the case here.
Anytime anyone can vote as many times as they want the out come is meaningless.
 
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tombonneau said:
Bri said:
from OPThat’s not to say all 20 Redskins are shoo-ins. Fan voting on nfl.com continues through Dec. 9, and it counts for only one-third of the total. Then the coaches and players are polled separately, each counting for one-third.
True. But some marginal positions -- like Sellers at FB -- have such huge leads that given the complex formula the league uses to calculate the "final vote" between coaches, players & fans it will almost be impossible for them to lose.Maybe to commemorate the All Internet Team Pro Bowl, Rick Astley will sing the national anthem?
You may just be using Sellers as an example because of his enormous lead, but, IMO, he is deserving of a PB spot at FB. He's a really good lead blocker.
 
Why fan votes count at all is a mystery to me. How the hell I'm supposed to determine who the best 3 offensive tackles in foot ball are is beyond me. Which is why I don't vote for the pro bowl, I'm not qualified.
I don't think fan votes are usually much worse than player votes or coaching/GM votes.At least when there's not ballot stuffing, which seems to be the case here.
Define "ballot stuffing".It's not like the 'Skins fans have some sort of unfair advantage here. Anyone can vote for whoever they want, as many times as they want.

Shouldn't the complaining be more about the people choosing not to vote than the ones who choose to vote?

How many of us have "ballot stuffed" the "deserving" players? Why aren't we doing it more?

 
Why fan votes count at all is a mystery to me.
Because we're the ones that watch the game? OK, so like four us watch the game, but you get the point.
We watch some games. Most of the time, we only watch our home team games. As in my example, how many people can seriously look across the NFL as a whole and pick the best OT in football right now? This board is full of hardcore football fans and I doubt that 10% of the people here watch every game and has the ability to accurately evaluate the play of lineman, and probably most of the defense as well.Who's watching all 16 games with a clipboard and a sharpie to evaluate each position? Sure as heck ain't the fans.

 
Why fan votes count at all is a mystery to me. How the hell I'm supposed to determine who the best 3 offensive tackles in foot ball are is beyond me. Which is why I don't vote for the pro bowl, I'm not qualified.
I don't think fan votes are usually much worse than player votes or coaching/GM votes.At least when there's not ballot stuffing, which seems to be the case here.
Define "ballot stuffing".It's not like the 'Skins fans have some sort of unfair advantage here. Anyone can vote for whoever they want, as many times as they want.

Shouldn't the complaining be more about the people choosing not to vote than the ones who choose to vote?

How many of us have "ballot stuffed" the "deserving" players? Why aren't we doing it more?
Jobs? Families? Apathy? How's the dramatically outnumbered few going to impact the vote of the vast majority who'll vote for any yahoo wearing the right colors?When you don't control the number of times a person can vote, then one person can seem like 10, 100 or 1000. That's ballot stuffing. Then it's a matter of the team with the most fans wins. Or maybe it's the team with the most unemployed fans. lol

 
Why fan votes count at all is a mystery to me. How the hell I'm supposed to determine who the best 3 offensive tackles in foot ball are is beyond me. Which is why I don't vote for the pro bowl, I'm not qualified.
I don't think fan votes are usually much worse than player votes or coaching/GM votes.At least when there's not ballot stuffing, which seems to be the case here.
Define "ballot stuffing".It's not like the 'Skins fans have some sort of unfair advantage here. Anyone can vote for whoever they want, as many times as they want.

Shouldn't the complaining be more about the people choosing not to vote than the ones who choose to vote?

How many of us have "ballot stuffed" the "deserving" players? Why aren't we doing it more?
Because it is a popularity contest and I have better thinks to do with my time. Add to that the fact I don't care who makes the Pro-Bowl, it is a meaningless award in my mind.

 
So the Pro Bowl is going to be slightly more of a joke than usual this year? I guess I won't bother watching (for the 19th consecutive year).

 
Jobs? Families? Apathy? How's the dramatically outnumbered few going to impact the vote of the vast majority who'll vote for any yahoo wearing the right colors?
So you're apathetic enough to not submit Pro Bowl votes, but not apathetic enough to stay out of a discussion forum thread about who is and isn't submitting Pro Bowl votes.The time it took you to make your 3 posts in this thread you could have spent giving deserving player some votes.

There is nothing unfair about the system. It gives you the same opportunity to have your voice heard that a Redskin fan has. The only thing wrong with any of the voting outcomes is that the right voters would rather complain about the system than actually use the power given to them to get the right players selected.

 
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Dexter Manley said:
20 seems a little high. I think 17, 18 Redskins tops, should be in the probowl. That sounds about right.
:scared: OK, we'll leave Durant Brooks off the Pro Bowl squad. But Albert Connell has to make it.
 
Just another example of why I give little credence to how many Pro Bowls a player has or hasn't made when discussing their Hall of Fame worthiness.

 
Absolutely ridiculous. :pics:

Even as a Cowboys fan in regards to what happened last year, I think this is over the line! :mellow:

 
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I hope 20 get in and that incites many to finally vote in 2009-that's the end result I want. I think this board may have only oh 20-30% of it's members voting. All the knowledgable football fans here....that's gotta change.

We discuss "best ever" alot and I love that but, we don't really discuss pro bowl's much. People spend too much time insulting the probowl rather than debating.

Just how good is TEN's OL? Should 3 linemen make it? Both Ts and Mawae? I think it's high(3 one team) but, I wouldn't NOT vote for any of them.

AFC RBs aren't as great as I think some might assume. While voting I was ready to not give it to LT for a change or well maybe just not be automatic for a change. In the AFC, he is still automatic. His peers just aren't good enough in 09.

Also, I didn't vote for the rushing TD leader in the NFL. That sounds so crazy til ya realize it's Lendale.

I could have voted for a dozen Titans or Steelers and been comfy with it.

I thought Favre was best AFC QB. I could understand Ben, Cutler, or Peyton but I think Favre gets it.

I think it'd be interesting to debate stuff like this. Rarely happens around here though

 
They should force Redskins season ticketholders to pay to travel and attend the probowl based on this.

 
Bri said:
I think this board may have only oh 20-30% of it's members voting. All the knowledgable football fans here....that's gotta change.
The thing that should change is the fans' ability to vote. Let the players/coaches vote, and then we'll stop seeing undeserving guys make on their name.
 
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Bri said:
I think this board may have only oh 20-30% of it's members voting. All the knowledgable football fans here....that's gotta change.
The thing that should change is the fans' ability to vote. Let the players/coaches vote, and then we'll stop seeing undeserving guys make on their name.
LOL if you think the players have some super in-depth knowledge of the whole league.And, none of this is going to automatically get an undeserving guy in the PB. That undeserving guy will still need a decent number of player and coach votes to get in.
 
Skins fans will be regretting this is a few of their players get hurt in the Pro Bowl.

The HC of the game should make them play 4 quarters.

 
I think to truely "get it right" the voting should be as follows:

1) Players vote, but only for players NOT on their team, and only for players on team's that they've played against during the year

2) Coaches and assistant coaches vote (same deal as players)

3) Possibly media guys like for college AP poll etc. but I don't know how to qualify that...they would be the stat gurus to help jusify pro-bowler selections

Anyway, this would give the voting the most credibility in my book.

 
They should force Redskins season ticketholders to pay to travel and attend the probowl based on this.
Absolutely. But, right after they force the season ticketholders for the other 31 teams to give up their season tickets so they can be given to fans that might actually care to vote.
 
Thats it, I'm voting as often as I can.

FOR EVERY REDSKIN PLAYER AVAILABLE.

I don't watch the pro-bowl anyway.

 
This is just like baseball. The fan "voting" is just a myth. At the end of the day, the vote results will be rigged to reflect appropriate representation from various teams.

 
Why fan votes count at all is a mystery to me. How the hell I'm supposed to determine who the best 3 offensive tackles in foot ball are is beyond me. Which is why I don't vote for the pro bowl, I'm not qualified.
I don't think fan votes are usually much worse than player votes or coaching/GM votes.At least when there's not ballot stuffing, which seems to be the case here.
There is always ballot stuffing, I think Redskin Fans are forcing the issue this year after the joke of 13 Cowboys making the pro bowl last year. * See post below.
I hope the Washington fans break the process so the NFL will be forced to come up with something better.
 
Just in case anyone is wondering what the league thinks of this, I heard a Redskins staff member on the radio yesterday saying the NFL sent a memo out to all teams talking about what a great success the Redskins get out the vote campaign has been. You'll see more teams encouraging similar behavior next year.

 
I'm not so sure any pro sports league is sad about this type of phenomenon. Lots of Redskins votes = lots of people visiting their site. Lots of people seeing Jason Campbell leading Pro Bowl voting = lots of people visiting the site to correct that tragedy.

Either way, this generates a ton more traffic for their websites, which translates into more ad revenue and more of their products being viewed by potential customers.

Sounds like a win for the NFL to me.

 

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