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(2003) Jets & Bears Trade - Jets get #4 (1 Viewer)

So i would assume the Jets are looking at WR. If so, do they really think that Rodgers or Johnson will be there? Or are they looking in another direction?

 
Well, my first post on the new board.I like this move by the Bears. I don't think any of these top players are that much better than the guys the Bears could be targeting at 13 and 22.Jerry Angelo has some huge nuts in his sack to make this deal. He just let all of Chicago know who's running things at Halas Hall.

 
The Jets were 27th in the NFL in rushing yards allowed per game in 2002. You can't win if you can't stop the run, I don't care if Randy Moss is on your team. oh wait, point proven.

 
This is for real.Chicago Bears beat reporter believes the Bears will probably look for a QB with one of the 1st round picks, likely Boller or Grossman.

 
Maybe this helps explain it, from Lenny P -

One general manager insisted to ESPN.com that his draft board includes just nine players -- and, no, that isn't a typo -- who have first-round grades. The leaguewide consensus seems to be that there are only about 13-15 players, at the high end, with legitimate first-round grades."The real impact guys run out early," said Washington Redskins personnel director Vinny Cerrato. "Of course, we don't have to worry about it, which is why (wide receiver) Laveranues Coles is looking pretty good to us right now. He's better than any rookie we would have taken and, actually, he didn't cost us that much more than a rookie contract would have."The dearth of true first-rounders means, essentially, that franchises in the second half of the stanza are going to be paying first-round money for a lot of prospects with second-round grades. This is a draft where teams picking in the bottom of the round might be better served dealing their choice and gaining an additional second-rounder in the transaction.From about the Nos. 15-40 point in the draft, there is a legion of players with similar grades. Owners blanch at overpaying for a prospect in the first round, when there are like players available in the second.But to deal back from its original pick, a team requires a dance partner and, surprisingly, there will be some clubs willing to move up. The Raiders, for example, feel there will be teams in the second round anxious to move up into the final two slots in the first round, which Oakland currently holds. The rationale is that some player, like Texas quarterback Chris Simms, will still be on the board, and that a team that wants him won't want to gamble that he will fall to them in the second round.
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Link to full articleMight as well move up and get 1st round talent for first round money, rather than paying first round $ for 2 people with 2nd round talent.
 
Jets Make Blockbuster Deal2003-04-25 12:55:00Hempstead, NY- The AFC East Champion New York Jets announced Friday an agreement in principle to acquire the fourth overall selection in the 2003 NFL Draft from the Chicago Bears. In return, the Jets have agreed to trade the 13th pick overall (obtained from Washington), their own selection - the 22nd pick in the first round, and a conditional draft pick to the Bears.“There are four players on our draft board who we really like and have targeted. We’re excited about acquiring one of the players,” said New York Jets General Manager Terry Bradway. “The acquisition of the fourth pick in the draft ensures us that we will acquire one of the players that we, as an organization, covet.”The fourth pick in the draft marks the first time the Jets have selected in the top five since 1996 when they selected Southern Cal wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson first overall. In 1997, the Jets also owned the first pick but traded the rights to the pick to the St. Louis Rams in exchange for the sixth overall pick in the first round, the Rams’ third round pick (#67), a fourth round selection (#107) and a seventh round pick (#207).This will mark the fifth time in Club history that the Jets have select with the fourth selection. The last time the Jets had the fourth pick was in 1993 when they traded the third overall pick to the Arizona Cardinals for the fourth pick and running back Johnny Johnson. The Cardinals selected Georgia running back Garrison Hearst, while the Jets drafted current Jets middle linebacker Marvin Jones. In 1978 the Jets drafted Ohio State Chris Ward with the fourth pick and in 1976, they selected Alabama quarterback Richard Todd fourth overall. The only other time the Jets selected a player with the fourth overall pick was in 1965 when they selected Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Namath out of Alabama.The NFL Draft begins on Saturday, April 26 at Noon. The Cincinnati Bengals, with the first overall pick have already signed Southern Cal quarterback Carson Palmer. The Detroit Lions own the second pick and the Houston Texans own the third pick, followed by the Jets.

 
Just got a couple of bets down - Jets to take DT with first pick at 1/1 odds and Bears to select Kyle Boller as their first QB at 10/1.

 
It is on CBS Sportsline. I couldn't believe it myself. The Jets WILL NOT pick a WR. Dewayne Robertson is now a Jet! :( But not sure if I would have rather have a DT on that next level and a guy like EJ Henderson instead of just DR. :huh:

 
I have to think that the Jets would be satisfied with Rogers, Andre Johnson, or Robertson. Otherwise, they did make this trade too early. After all, New England might just be so desperate for Robertson that they'd go ahead and give up both of their first rounders to the Texans or something.

 
Just got a couple of bets down - Jets to take DT with first pick at 1/1 odds and Bears to select Kyle Boller as their first QB at 10/1.
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Boller will have to slip past Baltimore and the only way that's happening is if Leftwich slips past Carolina and Jacksonville.
 
I have to think that the Jets would be satisfied with Rogers, Andre Johnson, or Robertson. Otherwise, they did make this trade too early. After all, New England might just be so desperate for Robertson that they'd go ahead and give up both of their first rounders to the Texans or something.
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Great point. Maybe the Jets really, really want one of the WRs and made this move so early to force the Pats' hand. If NE wants Robertson so much, now they have to give up their two first-rounders to get to #3, which then allows Johnson to fall to the Jets (and forces their AFC East rival to burn two first-round picks).
 
Listening to Mike & The Mad Dog on the air right now talking about it...Mike F. is saying that the Jets have been trying frantically. They had a deal in place to move up to 7th (Minnesota) but then feared neither Andre John nor Robertson would be there and finally got the 4th from Chi-town predicated on the inclusion of a conditional pick from Chicago to get NY's two firsts.Personally, I think this is a FANTASTIC move for the Bears. I understand that Dewayne Robertson grades out as the top DL on the board, BUT this is arguably the deepest crop of DL in decades with 10 expected to go off the board in the first round. The Jets could've gotten one of Kevin Williams, William Joseph, Jon Sullivan at 13 for sure, so you have to wonder if this move will bite them in the keister. D. Robertson better be significantly better than some of those other tackles!Cheers

 
Boller will have to slip past Baltimore and the only way that's happening is if Leftwich slips past Carolina and Jacksonville.
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There's no way Baltimore takes Boller at 10. If Leftwich is gone by then, they'll go with their highest-rated player, likely to be Trufant, Gross or Kennedy.
 
Well well - it's confirmed. I like this for the Bears, Jets are a solid team and can afford to move up and gamble somewhat.As for the Pats I think they stay 'Pat' now and maybe even trade down to accumulate 2,3 round picks.Still going to be a DT tackle first and maybe trade down the #19 position.There's always that CB too.

 
Bears trade fourth pick to JetsBy Larry MayerSenior WriterApril 25, 2003 LAKE FOREST, Ill. - Less than 24 hours before they were set to go on the clock, the Bears traded the fourth overall pick in this weekend's draft to the New York Jets.In return, the Bears will receive New York's two first-round picks, Nos. 13 and 22, as well as a conditional pick later in the draft.Making the trade could give the Bears an opportunity to select a top-rated quarterback such as Cal's Kyle Boller or Florida's Rex Grossman, prospects that likely won't be available in the second round.The trade gives the Bears a total of 12 picks including three of the first 35 overall selections."We liked our options better having the extra first-round pick rather than staying at four," Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said. "We now have three of the top 35 picks in the draft and are confident we will get three quality players."Check ChicagoBears.com later for more details.

 
There's no way Baltimore takes Boller at 10. If Leftwich is gone by then, they'll go with their highest-rated player, likely to be Trufant, Gross or Kennedy.
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Dr. Z at SI seems convinced Baltimore wants Boller if they can't get Leftwich.
The Ravens are definitely willing to trade down -- but not too far. They don't want to risk losing their guy, Kyle Boller, the QB, whom they don't love at No. 10 but they do farther down. The problem: If they get too cute and drop much lower they might see him taken, so the No. 17 spot would seem just about right for them.
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This is part of that three-way trade I projected, you remember? It might not work out this way, but I just wanted to make sure the Ravens got Boller, no matter what the position is. Baltimore really loves Leftwich, though. And Gross.
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To me it sounds like they really want a QB. Now they might now want to take him at 10, like you said but now with the Bears picking at 12 and possibly looking QB that means if they trade down they are looking at Grossman or nothing and personally I think Grossman as a first rounder is way more of a reach than Boller as the #10 overall.
 
No way the Pats move up to #3 to ensure Robertson. The main concern of the Pats was that 2 of the top DL fit their current scheme. Robertson and Sullivan. It was pretty much assured that the Jets who drafted just ahead of the Pats at 13 would end up taking Sullivan.Now I think that you will see the Pats stand pat with what they have and deal the 14 and one of their 3rd round picks on draft day to ensure that they land Sullivan. They have 13 picks in this draft and I think it would be a good move.

 
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Am I missing something? If we assume that Palmer, Rogers and Johnson go with the first 3 picks, then the best players left are Newman and Suggs. Thought the Bears would have taken Suggs. Will the Jets? What they really need is a DT.Thought Dallas would then take Newman. Would have made more sense to trade with Arizona to get a DT. Great move for the Bears though.So I'm predicting Palmer, Rogers, Johnson, a DT, Newman for the top 5. Not sure which DT the Jets covet though - probably Robertson.

 
Am I missing something? If we assume that Palmer, Rogers and Johnson go with the first 3 picks, then the best players left are Newman and Suggs.
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Robertson, the DT from Kentucky, has really risen the last few weeks and now is rated higher than Suggs by pretty much everyone. Supposedly the Jets'll take whomever of him, Rogers, and Johnson falls to #4. Also some people are saying that Detroit wants to take Newman at 2 so tomorrow should be interesting.
 
From NY NEWSDAYDraft day just got a lot more interesting for the Jets.In a stunning scenario that will give the team a shot at one of the premium players in the draft, the Jets today traded their two first-round picks (13 and 22) to the Chicago Bears for the fourth overall selection.It's not immediately clear which player the Jets have targeted with Chicago's pick, but the deal changes everything. The players thought to be available at No. 4 who are consistent with the Jets' needs and strategy are Kentucky defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, Miami receiver Andre Johnson and Kansas State cornerback Terence Newman.The trade vaults the Jets ahead of their former coach, Bill Parcells, whose Cowboys have the fifth pick. Dallas has expressed interest in Robertson and Newman, so the Jets might be able to swap spots with the Cowboys tomorrow, still get the player they want, and acquire additional picks.

 
No way the Pats move up to #3 to ensure Robertson. The main concern of the Pats was that 2 of the top DL fit their current scheme. Robertson and Sullivan. It was pretty much assured that the Jets who drafted just ahead of the Pats at 13 would end up taking Sullivan.Now I think that you will see the Pats stand pat with what then have and deal the 14 and one of their 3rd round picks on draft day to ensure that they land Sullivan. They have 13 picks in this draft and I think it would be a good move.
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Agreed. Pats will hang on to both 1sts and maybe package a third to move up. If it took two #1s to move from 13 to 4, Pats won't have to drop both to move into the top ten. I see them either staying put, or trading with Minnesota to move into the top ten for the 13th and a third.. Good deal for the Bears. They did it way tooo early though. Now everyone has 24 hours to figure out a fix. Betcha there are some calls to Houston right about now.... :(
 
The BIG NEWS here is that my acumen has been questioned.

WTF is that all about?

Johnnathon Sullivan, Jordan Gross, Boss Bailey, Eric Steinbach, Marcus Trufant all could be possible Bears now.

Granted, they won't ALL fall, but three of them should be there.

Now it's a question of whether the Bears draft that QB in Round One or WISELY use it on a positional player.

 
I like The Man's idea that this is a move made partly to force the Patriots to burn their two picks to get to #3... if that's true, and the Jets really want Robertson anyway, then they get the added bonus of hampering their divisional rival... :thumbup:

 
No way the Pats move up to #3 to ensure Robertson. The main concern of the Pats was that 2 of the top DL fit their current scheme. Robertson and Sullivan. It was pretty much assured that the Jets who drafted just ahead of the Pats at 13 would end up taking Sullivan.Now I think that you will see the Pats stand pat with what then have and deal the 14 and one of their 3rd round picks on draft day to ensure that they land Sullivan. They have 13 picks in this draft and I think it would be a good move.
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Agreed. Pats will hang on to both 1sts and maybe package a third to move up. If it took two #1s to move from 13 to 4, Pats won't have to drop both to move into the top ten. I see them either staying put, or trading with Minnesota to move into the top ten for the 13th and a third.. Good deal for the Bears. They did it way tooo early though. Now everyone has 24 hours to figure out a fix. Betcha there are some calls to Houston right about now.... :thumbup:
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I have not doubt in my mind that Bill Parcells is on the phone with Houston right now. Although the whole Texas rivalry might put the kybosh on any talks.
 
I like The Man's idea that this is a move made partly to force the Patriots to burn their two picks to get to #3... if that's true, and the Jets really want Robertson anyway, then they get the added bonus of hampering their divisional rival... :thumbup:
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Sorry, but I see this as a bad move for the Jets. As others have noted, this draft is very deep at DL anyway, so if that's what they're after, this trade seems completely unneccesary.
 
:thumbup: I think that this is a great deal for the Bears at #13 get a tackle like Sullivan, and then at #22 get a chance on Boller.One question, do you think that they would take a gamble on a plyer like McGahee at #22? I heard that Angelo loved him before the injury? What do you guys think?
 
I like The Man's idea that this is a move made partly to force the Patriots to burn their two picks to get to #3... if that's true, and the Jets really want Robertson anyway, then they get the added bonus of hampering their divisional rival... :thumbup:
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Pats would have to burn both firsts anyway. Chicago last week did that when they said that they wanted DeWayne. So the Pats would have to trade with Chicago (or someone higher). That would have costs them both picks. So the Jets didn't tuck it to the Pats with this one. They hurt Dallas more than the Pats. Dallas wants either Robertson or Newman. The Jets can dictate which one Dallas gets. Thats why the Jets moved soo far up. Has to be. Why else move to #4? No one was going to take DeWayne after 8 down to 13 (Jets). They could have traded up to 8 or 9 (they already had a deal with Minnesota to do so) and still landed Dewayne. I think they were looking to get Bill upset.
 
I just have a feeling that the Jets are trying to get Johnson, mainly because that's the only reason for making the trade today. They're trying to get Dallas or someone to trade up to #3 to take Robertson. If Robertson was the guy they really wanted, it would make more sense to wait until Chicago was up to make sure he was available. But maybe I'm overthinking this.What worries me as a Jets fan is that they may be overcompensating for losing Coles and feel they need to get a big-time WR. I think they could survive with their current WRs, and that's not how they should be making decisions anyway. In absolute value of the picks, it seems like a decent trade. (The Pick Value Calculator disagrees, though. :thumbup: )Kyle Boller just got a nice raise, huh?

 
I like The Man's idea that this is a move made partly to force the Patriots to burn their two picks to get to #3... if that's true, and the Jets really want Robertson anyway, then they get the added bonus of hampering their divisional rival... :thumbup:
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I don't think this will hamper the Pats at all. If anything it allows them to keep both 1st round picks. I would not be surprised at all to see the Patriots deal the #17 and their second rounder to move up in the top 10. That way they would be ensured of getting the DL that they want, and possible Newman or Truffant.The Pats have picks to burn and I would consider it a coup if they could get Sullivan and Truffant.
 
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More information from Mike/Mad Dog...

Terry Bradway (NYJ GM) was going to appear on M & M to discuss this deal but couldn't because there's a moratorium on discussing this deal until the picks are made tomorrow. But he did say one thing, "we made this move to guarantee ourselves one of four guys we really wanted."

According to what M & M are hearing, Jets were set to move into 7th with Minny but then they heard that New England was desperate to get into 4th to get Robertson AND New Orleans was/is trying to move up to 4th/5th to get Newman; so they talked to Chicago and worked out a deal.

Bill Parcells told Mike F. a few months ago that D. Robertson was "the best defensive player in college football" and this was before he declared for the draft; but Mike was astounded at the time because he had never heard of him at that point.
Belicheck believes that Robertson will be significantly better than the other tackles, and was willing to part with bost first plus a conditional to get him.
According to Francesa, Dallas is very likely to consider trading with New Orleans now but NO will want to wait to see if Newman is on the board at the five spot.Cheers!

 
Johnnathon Sullivan, Jordan Gross, Boss Bailey, Eric Steinbach, Marcus Trufant all could be possible Bears now. Granted, they won't ALL fall, but three of them should be there.
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Gross and Trufant go Top 10, Bailey goes to the Rams. I'm thinking the Bears grab Sullivan here, though the Pats will try mightily to get ahead of them for him.Is Steinbach worth the #13? I could see the Bears take Boller here, then pick up a quality DT at 22.
 
Question- I thought that part of the deal in bringing in Kordell Stewart was that Chicago wouldn't bring in a QB in the first round of the draft? Am I remembering wrong? How does this move effect that situation?

 
I don't think this will hamper the Pats at all. If anything it allows them to keep both 1st round picks. I would not be surprised at all to see the Patriots deal the #17 and their second rounder to move up in the top 10. That way they would be ensured of getting the DL that they want, and possible Newman or Truffant.The Pats have picks to burn and I would consider it a coup if they could get Sullivan and Truffant.
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I've been saying this also and couldn't agree more of how much of a coup it would be.
 
I just have a feeling that the Jets are trying to get Johnson, mainly because that's the only reason for making the trade today. They're trying to get Dallas or someone to trade up to #3 to take Robertson. If Robertson was the guy they really wanted, it would make more sense to wait until Chicago was up to make sure he was available. But maybe I'm overthinking this.What worries me as a Jets fan is that they may be overcompensating for losing Coles and feel they need to get a big-time WR. I think they could survive with their current WRs, and that's not how they should be making decisions anyway. In absolute value of the picks, it seems like a decent trade. (The Pick Value Calculator disagrees, though. :) )Kyle Boller just got a nice raise, huh?
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The only "other" reason to make the trade is if they feel Robertson is THE player at DT in the draft and fits their system....They'll go WR in round 2.....You dont' NOT pay Coles and then trade away 2 1st round picks and wind up paying some unknown almost as much as you didn't give Coles.... Otherwise you can lose fans like myself off bridges. :thumbup:
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/columni...nist?id=1544641

Jets give up two later picks for No. 4

By Len Pasquarelli

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NEW YORK -- Although a few details remain to be worked out, ESPN.com has learned the New York Jets and Chicago Bears agreed in principle Friday to a trade involving respective first-round draft choices.

New York will move up to the fourth overall spot in the first round and, it is believed, surrendered its two choices later in the round, No. 13 and No. 22, to make the quantum leap up the board. It is not certain yet if Chicago gave up anything else in the deals.

It is not secret the Bears have been shopping their first-round choice, but the team assumed most likely to land it was New England, which wanted to deal up for a shot at Kentucky defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson.

There are no indications of who the Jets want to select at the No. 4 spot. The team has an aging defense and conventional wisdom was that New York would use the draft to bolster that unit.

But the Jets also lost star receiver Laveranues Coles in free agency and could use the fourth overall pick to replace him. Coach Herm Edwards has hinted that the only two wide receivers he considered worthy of first-round status are Charles Rogers of Michigan State and Andre Johnson of Miami, both of whom are thought to be top five prospects.

 
I don't think this will hamper the Pats at all. If anything it allows them to keep both 1st round picks. I would not be surprised at all to see the Patriots deal the #17 and their second rounder to move up in the top 10. That way they would be ensured of getting the DL that they want, and possible Newman or Truffant.The Pats have picks to burn and I would consider it a coup if they could get Sullivan and Truffant.
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I think you're kidding yourself if you think Sullivan is going to be around at #17, even with the Jets taking Robertson.Seattle, Chicago, San Diego and even KC and New Orleans all pick before 17 and have strong interest in DTs.
 
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