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[2004 Draft] 1.11 Ben Roethlisberger (1 Viewer)

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1 Eli Manning Chargers QB Mississippi

2 Robert Gallery Raiders T Iowa

3 Larry Fitzgerald Cardinals WR Pittsburgh

4 Philip Rivers Giants QB North Carolina State

5 Sean Taylor Redskins DB Miami (FL)

6 Kellen Winslow Jr Browns TE Miami (FL)

7 Roy Williams Lions WR Texas

8 DeAngelo Hall Falcons DB Virginia Tech

9 Reggie Williams Jaguars WR Washington

10 Dunta Robinson Texans DB South Carolina

11 Ben Roethlisberger Steelers QB Miami (OH)

12 Jonathan Vilma Jets LB Miami (FL)

13 Lee Evans Bills WR Wisconsin

14 Tommie Harris Bears DT Oklahoma

15 Michael Clayton Buccaneers WR Louisiana State
I was speaking with a friend over the weekend and I had made the statement that quarterbacks have been slipping recently; I used Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger as examples. I was challenged Roethlisberger. I recall Roethlisberger was projected to go top-4, but most definitely top-10. What do others recall, Roethlisbergers slipped or he went where he was suppose to to Pittsburgh at 11?

 
I thought at the time that Big Ben was considered a reach at 11 and that he was projected to be a late first round pick, but my memory is schetchy on this one . . .

 
He was the last one of the guys that we sitting in the green room at the draft, I remember that. I think he was projected to go in like the 5 or 6 spot or something.

 
I thought the Giants were considered the team in the top of the draft that liked Ben and might have taken him. But, they obviously liked Eli more and that deal meant Ben wasn't going in the top 5.

 
I wanted the Giants to take him instead of doing that trade for Eli, which is the reason they drafted Rivers. I think once the Giants drafted Rivers and made the trade, he did slip in the draft. If the Giants had taken Ben and held onto him, Rivers might have been the one who slipped.

 
He was the last one of the guys that we sitting in the green room at the draft, I remember that. I think he was projected to go in like the 5 or 6 spot or something.
Was Phillip Rivers even in the green room?
 
He was expected to go higher but it's tough to say that going 11th overall is "slipping". Being the 3rd QB taken, you could debate whether Ben should have been taken before Rivers but that whole situation was influenced by the Manning fiasco. Also consider team needs... At that point in time, the Lions, Falcons, Jags and Texans all had a young QB they considered to be franchise material.

In hindsight, I bet the Brownies wish they took him at #6 instead of meathead Kellen Winslow.

 
My recollection was that a couple of months before the draft, it was debatable whether Eli or Ben would be the top pick. By the time the draft rolled around, Rivers had passed him in many people's eyes. I think there was only two teams in the top 10 that would realistically consider QB.

So it was not surprising when Rivers went #4 that Ben would fall out of the top 10. But he could just as easily went #4 and a couple of months before the draft #1 even.

 
Rivers stock really started to climb in the weeks leading up to the 2004 Draft. I think the Steelers originally believed that Rivers would fall to them and Manning/Roethlisberger would go to SD & NYG. I also seem to remember that there was talk on draft day that Buffalo was trying to move ahead of the Steelers to take Roethlisberger. Had they done that Donahoe may still be in Buffalo, instead JP Losman is and Donahoe is out.

 
From another site.

Pittsburgh Steelers - The Steelers would have preferred Philip Rivers with the No. 11 pick, but they still got what they wanted -- a future starting quarterback. Ben Roethlisberger won't be ready to contribute as quickly as Rivers or Eli Manning will be, but we think his upside is tremendously higher.

By drafting Roethlisberger, the Steelers will need to keep Tommy Maddox as their starter for at least one more year while Roethlisberger makes the big jump from the Mid-American Conference to the NFL. If developed properly and not thrown into the fire too early, Roethlisberger has the size, arm strength, competitiveness and athleticism to become the best quarterback out of this class when all is said and done.

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I think this indicates that Ben's draft by the steelers was need based and not best player available; so it might have been a little bit of a reach at the time.

 
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Draft-day story or how Steelers landed Big Ben, and Eli got his wish

Monday, October 10, 2005

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

SAN DIEGO -- His team, as they say, was on the clock in the first round of the 2004 draft and the general manager of the New York Giants was on the phone to the Cleveland Browns.

Ernie Accorsi's Giants had the No. 4 pick in the draft, and he already had lost the player he waited 30 years to get. On that phone line, Accorsi held the fates of at least four teams in his hands -- the Chargers, Giants, Browns and the Steelers.

Accorsi already had lost his chance at drafting Eli Manning, and now the Browns were making him an offer. They wanted his pick and were willing to pay for it. He could move down to their spot at No. 7 and still take his second choice at quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger.

One thing nagged Accorsi, however. He did not fully trust the Browns. They wanted tight end Kellen Winslow, but what would stop them from drafting Roethlisberger or accepting an offer from the Chargers to draft quarterback Philip Rivers and then swapping him to San Diego?

Tick, tick, tick, tick ...

Of those three top quarterbacks, Accorsi did not want Rivers. Yet his desire to land Manning was so strong he took another chance, this time with the Chargers. He and San Diego general manager A.J. Smith tried but could not work out a deal before the draft; the Chargers preferred Rivers. Instead, San Diego called the Giants' bluff and drafted Manning with the No. 1 pick, gambling Accorsi would then draft Rivers and the two teams could work out a deal.

That is precisely what happened. After drafting Rivers, Accorsi then sent him to San Diego, along with a gaggle of draft picks. The Chargers sent him Manning. Thus, Accorsi, who revered Johnny Unitas, reversed his heartbreak from 21 years earlier when he drafted John Elway for the Colts only to have owner Robert Irsay deal him away.

Today, the three teams who drafted the first three quarterbacks in 2004 are delighted with that trade, but for different reasons. Accorsi and the Giants got their man. The Steelers wound up with Roethlisberger at No. 11. And the Chargers have been getting great play from their quarterback the past two seasons. Only there's a slight twist to San Diego's story: Drew Brees, the Chargers' second-round pick in 2001, beat out Rivers for the job last season and an unhappy Rivers languishes on the bench behind him.

Yet Accorsi maintains he would have settled for Roethlisberger, if that's how things worked out.

"I would have been happy with Roethlisberger," Accorsi said the other day. "There wasn't much to choose [between the two]. We just liked Manning. But we loved Roethlisberger."

Tonight, Roethlisberger takes his personal 17-2 NFL record for the Steelers (2-1) against the Chargers (2-2) and Rivers must wonder from his outpost on the San Diego sideline what might have been. Had Accorsi stood pat and drafted Roethlisberger, the Steelers almost surely would have taken Rivers. Could the former North Carolina State quarterback have duplicated what happened in Pittsburgh last season and become Big Phil, 13-0, rookie of the year and darling of the Letterman show?

"I think he would have been successful there," Accorsi said. "I happen to believe when you have a winning program -- and they know how to win -- they make any good player fit. They won with quarterbacks other than Roethlisberger -- Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox. I think great coaches and good programs win. I think that's a winning program and he would have flourished there. I think they win no matter who they get."

Ron Hill, for years the top personnel man with the Falcons, Jaguars and Broncos, isn't so sure Rivers would have worked out as well with the Steelers.

"I thought he was a good player," Hill said. "But to sit here and say he could have done what Ben did, I can't do that because that's too hypothetical. Ben did it, and I don't want to take away anything he did."

If Hill won't say it, Steelers offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt certainly will not.

"We liked all three of those guys coming out," he said of the quarterbacks. "We were extremely excited to get Ben."

The Chargers face a dilemma because they drafted Rivers. He reported late to training camp as contract negotiations dragged on. That allowed Brees to secure his job and then he had one of the best seasons of any quarterback in the NFL. After four games in this season, he has the best accuracy of any passer in the league.

Rivers wants to play or he wants to get out. The Chargers would take a big hit on their salary cap if they traded him.

"They have to do something," Maddox said. "They can't sit there and pay those guys what they're paying. I would think at some point, especially after this year, they have to make a decision whether to sign Drew for the long term or let him go. It'll be interesting."

But not quite as intriguing as it was the day Manning wound up in New York, Rivers in San Diego and Big Ben in Pittsburgh.
 
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I seem to remember reading a lot about the Steelers really coveting Rivers, but maybe that was because they assumed Roethlisberger would go to SD, ARZ, or CLE?

 
I thought at the time that Big Ben was considered a reach at 11 and that he was projected to be a late first round pick, but my memory is schetchy on this one . . .
Roethlisberger was projected to the Giants at #4 in most mocks I saw up until a few days before the draft, when the Rivers-Manning trade speculation began. After his Pro Day, there were some who thought the Raiders might draft him #2, but they took Gallery instead. After the Chargers drafted Rivers at #4, there were only 1 or 2 teams that had a hole at QB that might have drafted Roethlisberger - Cleveland was one of them - but none did. Pittsburgh was thrilled he fell into their laps at #11.
 
I seem to remember reading a lot about the Steelers really coveting Rivers, but maybe that was because they assumed Roethlisberger would go to SD, ARZ, or CLE?
I remember it being a consensus that the Steelers would take Rivers and that Roethlisberger would go in the top 5. What I find interesting is that Rivers was considered the NFL-ready QB and that Roethlisberger needed time to develop.
 
I seem to remember reading a lot about the Steelers really coveting Rivers, but maybe that was because they assumed Roethlisberger would go to SD, ARZ, or CLE?
I remember it being a consensus that the Steelers would take Rivers and that Roethlisberger would go in the top 5. What I find interesting is that Rivers was considered the NFL-ready QB and that Roethlisberger needed time to develop.
Exactly. Rivers to the Steelers was widely projected because it was assumed Roethlisberger would be gone by #11. He was touted by many draft sites as the guy with the highest upside, while Manning had the pedigree and the combination of skill and experience, and Rivers was the most NFL-ready and the proven winner. Roethlisberger was the guy I wanted most of the three, because of his size, mobility, where he played his college ball, and his arm strength - I thought he'd be the best cold-weather QB of the three.
 
He slipped, it was between him and Rivers at the 4 spot IIRC, but dang that was a nice draft class.

1 Eli Manning Chargers QB Mississippi - looks to be a stud, overhyped, but very good

2 Robert Gallery Raiders T Iowa - stud T, might be one of the best in time

3 Larry Fitzgerald Cardinals WR Pittsburgh - perhaps the best WR in the league already

4 Philip Rivers Giants QB North Carolina State - we'll see

5 Sean Taylor Redskins DB Miami (FL) - talent galore, but an idiot

6 Kellen Winslow Jr Browns TE Miami (FL) - see Taylor

7 Roy Williams Lions WR Texas - Can I buy a QB?

8 DeAngelo Hall Falcons DB Virginia Tech - perhaps the best CB in the game

9 Reggie Williams Jaguars WR Washington - the only one up here who has truly disapointed while healthy

10 Dunta Robinson Texans DB South Carolina - If Hall isn't Dunta might be

11 Ben Roethlisberger Steelers QB Miami (OH) - 'nuff said

12 Jonathan Vilma Jets LB Miami (FL) - best young LB in the league

13 Lee Evans Bills WR Wisconsin - stud, but see Roy

14 Tommie Harris Bears DT Oklahoma - pro bowler already, stud

15 Michael Clayton Buccaneers WR Louisiana State - looked great as a rookie, tough sophomore season

Out of the top 15, we have 2 elite corners, an elite LB, 2 elite QBs, an elite WR, a couple WRs who look better than their QBs, a pro-bowl DT, and only 3 guys I'd call disapointments - one due to injury, one is a criminal and Reggie has no excuse.

DAMN good class. Might be the best in recent memory.

 
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