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2005 SEASON - Indianapolis Colts @ New England Patriots (1 Viewer)
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thesurfshop19
Footballguy
Go Pats! Go Brady! Go Belichick!
Andy Hicks
Footballguy
Sheesh, you have to be quick around here to start a game thread these days.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Any early spread on this game?
So when you factor in the home field advantage, Indy is actually favored!
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Now that is funny
Indy won't hold NE to 17 in the 1st half never mind the whole game 
Colts will score, NE will score more 
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
No doubt that the Colts are a better team this year than last. When you factor in the loss of Law and that depleted secondary, the inability to club the receivers and how good Indy looked today, I've got to go with the Colts.Indy 27, NE 24
their points scored & allowed.
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Colts (1st offense, 16th defense) 1+16 = 17
Patriots (4th offense, 6th defense) 4+6 = 10
Translation: On balance, the Patriots look like the better team there. Teams with the Colts' numbers typically don't win super bowls.
Offensive/Defensive Efficienies:
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O:Colts 6376 yards, 508 points = 12.55
D:Colts 5476 yards, 318 points = 17.22
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atriots 5474 yards, 416 points = 13.16
Datriots 4654 yards, 253 points = 18.40
Translation: A split decision. The Colts sports the most efficient offense in the playoffs. The Patriots are no slouches, either, as the third-most efficient. The Patriots are better on defense, but its actually close there as well. Should be a good game.
Let's look at these two clubs a year ago:
2003
ind 13.39 O, 14.92 D
nwe 15.11 O, 20.67 D
The 04 Colts are better on both sides of the ball than the 03 edition. The Patriots have improved on offense, but slipped a bit on defense. The Patriots also won the super bowl in 03, of course. Let's look at the 01 Patriots:
2001
nwe 13.80 O, 20.54 D
So what we can say is the 04 Patriots have a better offense but a worse defense than either of their two title teams.
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Ints-Ints Thrown
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Colts 19-10 = +9
Patriots 20-13 = +7
Basically identical here.
This should be a great game. The best of the round. Without a clear advantage for one club in the stats, I'll defer to HFA, and one of the greatest coaches of all time.
Pick: Patriots
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Colts (1st offense, 16th defense) 1+16 = 17
Patriots (4th offense, 6th defense) 4+6 = 10
Translation: On balance, the Patriots look like the better team there. Teams with the Colts' numbers typically don't win super bowls.
Offensive/Defensive Efficienies:
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O:Colts 6376 yards, 508 points = 12.55
D:Colts 5476 yards, 318 points = 17.22
O
atriots 5474 yards, 416 points = 13.16D
atriots 4654 yards, 253 points = 18.40Translation: A split decision. The Colts sports the most efficient offense in the playoffs. The Patriots are no slouches, either, as the third-most efficient. The Patriots are better on defense, but its actually close there as well. Should be a good game.
Let's look at these two clubs a year ago:
2003
ind 13.39 O, 14.92 D
nwe 15.11 O, 20.67 D
The 04 Colts are better on both sides of the ball than the 03 edition. The Patriots have improved on offense, but slipped a bit on defense. The Patriots also won the super bowl in 03, of course. Let's look at the 01 Patriots:
2001
nwe 13.80 O, 20.54 D
So what we can say is the 04 Patriots have a better offense but a worse defense than either of their two title teams.
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Ints-Ints Thrown
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Colts 19-10 = +9
Patriots 20-13 = +7
Basically identical here.
This should be a great game. The best of the round. Without a clear advantage for one club in the stats, I'll defer to HFA, and one of the greatest coaches of all time.
Pick: Patriots
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Early report has it 30 degrees and sunny skies on Sunday. Long ways until Sunday though.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Hey, I'm new around here. How does Manning do in big post-season games?LOL.Patriots 31Colts 28Vinatieri evolves into pure energy. 
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Manning's never scored 28 points and lost a post-season game.Hey, I'm new around here. How does Manning do in big post-season games?LOL.Patriots 31Colts 28Vinatieri evolves into pure energy.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Manning has struggled against 3-4 defenses down the stretch....Sub-par games against Houston, Baltimore and San Diego, not to mention losing in Week 1 to New England. Had more sacks in those games than the other games of the year combined.I'm tired of Belichick's genius though. Let's go horseshoes!
No amount of genius can overcome the injuries sustained by the Pats this season against these Colts.Again, Colts 27-21.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I have great respect for the Indy offense but I don't understand why so many believe that the Indy defense playing outdoors on the road will contain NE's offense? It aint gonna happenManning's never scored 28 points and lost a post-season game.Hey, I'm new around here. How does Manning do in big post-season games?LOL.Patriots 31Colts 28Vinatieri evolves into pure energy.
Indy obviously has a better passing game but NE's offense has a few things going for it as well.NE's offense is better suited to playing outdoors, they will be facing a decidedly weaker defense, they will have the crowd working with them not against them and they will have had an extra week to prepare.How the hell does NE stop INDY?How the hell does INDY stop NE?Should be a terrific game!
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Yeah, but Manning is a bonifide choke artist in the playoffs.I have great respect for the Indy offense but I don't understand why so many believe that the Indy defense playing outdoors on the road will contain NE's offense? It aint gonna happenManning's never scored 28 points and lost a post-season game.Hey, I'm new around here. How does Manning do in big post-season games?LOL.Patriots 31Colts 28Vinatieri evolves into pure energy.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Finally some sense of reasonable post by a Pats fan. I think this shows that the Pats fans are very worried and rightly so!For those of you who keep dissing the Colts defense. I only wish to say that you have had to have seen them all season long. From mid-season on, they have played aggressive, tough football. Are they a dominating D? No way. But, do they have to be with the Offense that the Colts possess? Nope.Look at their forced turnovers. They get leads and make teams one dimensional. This leads to turnovers. As a matter of fact, I think the Colts have tried to mirror the Pats in one regard...score first and put the pressure on them to keep up. Then, get a stop and go up two scores.The key to victory for wither team in this game for me is who puts consecutive scoring drives together while getting a stop or two. If either team gets up 14, it's over.
creeps1313
Footballguy
WOW....Im suprised by the results considering this site LOVES NE.GO INDY!
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
I am very anxious to see this game. Belichick will need all of his tricks in this one, but he has had 2 weeks to prepare. I think Dillon is the X-factor here. As great as Manning and Co. are the Pats can play ball control with anyone (short passing game + Dillon). I give the Pats the edge 27-23.
newlycreated
Footballguy
cotls 35 pats 21
Pats win this game. Belicheck will get it done.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
I voted for the bottom one, but I meant to vote Indy. This could mean something. 
purestrength
Footballguy
Against Denver, the Colts' passing game dominated.Against New England, Edgerrin James will take center stage.Indianapolis 38, New England 21
ColtsFreak
Footballguy
It comes down to this.....NE can't stop the run (Edge).....Edge torched the Pats week 1. Edge had very few touches against Denver and didn't seem to take a beating. The week before he played three plays. Dillon has had rest but has been banged up a good portion of the year. I think the team that has the RB with the freshest legs wins. And that is Indy. Colts- 34 Pats - 24
Workhorse
Footballguy
The Colts are a vastly improved defense from last year's playoffs but their solution to previous faults will be their undoing against the Patriots on Sunday. The Colts defenders are small and quick -- Probably man for man the smallest defensive unit in the NFL.The Pats have proven that with the addition of Corey Dillon, they can play power football and grind out long time-of-possession drives. That's the key to keeping the ball out of Peyton's hands.Manning is on a roll, just like last year, and the obvious mismatch between the Colts receivers and the depleted Patriots secondary is impossible to ignore. The thing is, that the Colts will have to be near perfect on offense on every possession because the Pats will most likely run the ball down their throats all day.In the end, the Pats will play keep-away just enough to hold onatriots: 26Colts: 23
atriots: 26Colts: 23
Here are my thoughts on How New England can win, as posted in an e-mail I just sent out to a bunch of friends:"Eating up clock to the tune of 40 minutes time of possession (at least) is a must. Given the depleted secondary, there is no way the Pats can go man-to-man against Harrison, Wayne, Stokely, Clark and Pollard. Zone has to be the way. Let their WRs catch the three yard slant, and then nail them, and I mean nail them good, like they hit the Rams in the Super Bowl. Also, grab them and hit them in the first five yards or so. I would give up a few early five yard first down penalties to make the WRs think a little bit more about a hit as the game goes on. They may give up yards before the red zone, but once the Colts get there, each defender will have less zone to cover, and by the second half, Colt WR should start looking for the hit before they catch the ball, a la the Seahawk WRs last week and drop a ball or two (hoping for a lot more than one or two, here). Over the past two years alone, the Pats' D has showed an incredible bend-but-don't-break ability against them. Let's hope it continues. That sets up a potential early Colt lead, but pounding the running game in the first half (even if down by 14 early) will wear on the Colt defense by the second half. This is one thing I have not seen other Colt opponents doing. They immediately try to outscore them (for crying out loud, Tennessee tried a bunch of onside kicks to keep the ball and score!) and generally what we end up watching is a blowout. I could see a 21-10 or 17-7 thereabout Colt lead at halftime. But if the Pats stick to pounding the ball, eating clock, and wearing down the Colt D, by the end of the game and all next week we will be talking about another great Tom Brady come-from-behind victory."Just the thoughts of a hopeful Pats fan.
Pats' run defense is much better than in week 1, but their pass D is worse. I'm a Pats fan, but a good passing game can beat them, and Indy's D is much better now.Indy is starting to look like the 2001 Rams now, but with a better offense. If their D can play even close to that level, they will win the Super Bowl.
Genester
Footballguy
The current poll says Colts 59, Pats 31? Get off the cool-aid people! I respect the Colts and what they've done, but defense is the name of the game, and the Colts don't have a good one. The Pats do. Manning's record @ NE is bad, and his history of well.. underperforming in these games is documented. I see a close game with Manning and Indy doing well, but the Pats will win it, 31-27.Disclaimer: I am NEITHER a Colts NOR a Pats fan, just call them as I see them.
Everyone keeps talking about the loss of Law means a victory for Indy. All 3 of his picks last year were in zone coverage. None were him 1 on 1. As long as the Pats stay in zone coverage and beat the crap out of the Indy receivers when they catch the ball, the Pats will win. Denver couldn't tackle to save their lives yesterday. I don't think that the matchup will be Indy's O against NE D, it will be the other way around. NE will run the ball and eat up the clock and keep Manning on the sidelines. Dillon has an incredible stiff arm and will rip that defense to shreds. That will open things up for Brady to hit the long balls. I don't see either team scoring into the 30's. NE 28Indy 24
valhallan
Footballguy
I heard some discussion on the radio today about how Denver got Bailey in reaction to their blowout loss to Indy in last years playoffs. The analysts then said, "well, they needed about four Champs yesterday! Har har har!" Anyway, wehn asked about the matchup with New England the same analysts believe the Patriots will lose because they are without Ty Law So, a top-5 cover corner is not a difference maker for the Broncos, but he is for the Patriots? IMO, Law's injury is being overplayed. Belichik has been getting it done with guys like Earthwind Mooreland, Asante Samuel, and Troy Brown all year. The real matchup is Indy's D vs. New England O. I just can't see the Colts shutting down Dillon in the cold at Foxboro.
So, a top-5 cover corner is not a difference maker for the Broncos, but he is for the Patriots? IMO, Law's injury is being overplayed. Belichik has been getting it done with guys like Earthwind Mooreland, Asante Samuel, and Troy Brown all year. The real matchup is Indy's D vs. New England O. I just can't see the Colts shutting down Dillon in the cold at Foxboro.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Denver thought they could win the TOP by running the ball with Droughns and Bell, lol. One thing is clear, the Colts are a better football team than last year. Wayne has come into his own, they didn't have Dallas Clark last year, and then there is Brandon Stokely. That's the damn difference, to go along with NE's banged up secondary and Seymour. In other words, the Colts are better than last year and NE isn't.
houndirish
Footballguy
I'm a big believer in defense winning games in January. I like teams that can play tough physical football. I think Bill Beilchek is a genius and can gameplan anyone. I love the team chemistry the Patriots have and the way they've overcome all the injuries.I think the Colts win the game. That depleted secondary is too huge a factor to ignore.I can't wait to watch it.
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