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2005 SEASON - Indianapolis Colts @ New England Patriots (1 Viewer)
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pizzatyme
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NE and the Colts played to a standstill in week #1. Both teams are different now. The Pats haven't faced anything like what the Colts will bring Sunday. Say what you will, lots of talk now from both sides' fans. I am willing to lay a sig line bet on the str8 up play to carry forward until one team beats the other down the road!And if you think the Pats can truly hold the Colts to under 20, feel free to step up and take the bet.Colts 35Patsies 21The shroud of mystique goes away for good! All you big tough Pats fans must feel comfy placing a sig line bet or any other for that matter with your team at home, right? 
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RAIDERNATION.
Footballguy
For the 7 millionth time, Vegas doesn't "beg" you to take anyone. Vegas couldn't care less who I bet on, and they couldn't care less who YOU bet on.... unless one of us bets $500,000 on the game, in which case the line will move accordingly.It's all about getting balanced action. Nothing more, nothing less. No begging involved.
And voila! The solution to the Patriots' lack depth at CB is.... Hank Poteat. 
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-p...ov=ap&type=lgns
Oh man, I hope Belichick has something up his sleeve... :(
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-p...ov=ap&type=lgns
Oh man, I hope Belichick has something up his sleeve... :(
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The Ref
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I think that we can all expect the same gameplan from Bill B this week as in week 1 (and in the playoffs last year, and more or less every other time these two teams have played over the last 3 years). Pats will play a Dime all game and invite the run between the 20's. In the Red Zone they will play it straight up, and try and force a turnover or two - and most of all try and hold the colts to 3 at a time. I think this bears out in the numbers of week 1 where the Colts had 200+ rushing yards, and had multiple turnovers in the red zone. On the O side of the ball - The Patriots will try and score 34+ on the colts with a passing attack. Granted Dillion might get some added work in the cold, but the patriots will try and out score (well of course, what I mean is try and win a high scoring game) Indi and not "ground it out" with Dillion like many think they might.Damage controll on D - try and light em up on O. Could be wrong, but I think thats the blue print to a Patriots Win.
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The Ref
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Best of luck but I'll put this out there as a FYI: As a long time ticket holder, and someone who is offered money for tickets quite often, I can tell you that 150% of face value might cover the postage on Patriot Playoff tickets. Only chance you have is if the temp is below 20. Then you might get some of the corporate types in the club level to sell low - but there are a lot of die hards that go to NE games.Just thought you might want to know.
The Ref
Footballguy
Macdaddy - I'll make no bones about it, I am a pats Homer - but I like to think I am not a yahoo. I think the colts have a good team, but there is a lot of history at work here that says teams with at least middle of the pack D don't last to often in the post season. Maybe that will change this year and maybe it won't.
Anyway with that being said, you seem to think that Brady is the one who will be exposed this Sun. Well once again your working against history here. This is clipped from a website that I like to read, and happen to agree with most if not all that is written. I think Mannings the one who you should be calling out, not Brady.POSTSEASON PERFORMANCESBrady’s superiority over Manning is built upon the foundation of each player’s postseason performances. Quite simply, Manning, as we have long noted, is the Picasso of Choke Artists, the Betty Ford of Chokeaholics and the Al Choker of glib pigskin weathermen. Brady, meanwhile, has already proven to be one of the great clutch performers in postseason history and has the Super Bowl rings, Super Bowl records and Super Bowl MVP awards to prove it.For all of Manning’s brilliant regular-season fireworks in recent years, he has choked every year he’s been in the playoffs. That’s right. Every year. Don’t believe us? Come, take a drive down Manning’s postseason memory lane. But roll up the windows and lock the doors. It’s an ugly neighborhood.1999 – In Manning’s second year in the league he led the Colts to a 13-3 record and an AFC East title while averaging 26.4 PPG in the regular season. In Indy’s first playoff game the Colts hosted wildcard-game winner Tennessee. The Indy defense played well, surrendering just 19 points to a high-powered offense that averaged 24.5 points per game. But Manning, at home in the dome, put just 16 points on the board, the team’s third lowest output of the season, while completing just 19 of 43 passes for 227 yards and zero touchdowns. Manning’s 60.9 passer rating was his lowest of the entire season. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 19-16. 2000 – The Colts went 10-6 behind Manning’s 33 touchdown passes and an offense that averaged 26.8 PPG in the regular season. Indy went to Miami in the wildcard round and its defense played heroically, intercepting Jay Fiedler three times and surrendering just 23 points in a game decided in overtime. But Manning struggled and, in a game that lasted more than 70 minutes, was a non-factor. He completed barely 50 percent of his passes (17 for 32) for just 194 yards and a touchdown. The Colts generated 11 points off Fiedler’s interceptions but put a total of just 17 on the board, 10 points fewer than their regular-season average. It was Indy’s second lowest scoring output of the season. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 23-17, in overtime.2002 – The Colts went 10-6 and drew a gimme in the wildcard round: a 9-7 Jets team with a Swiss-cheese defense that surrendered 336 points that year (Indy boasted the better D, surrendering 313 points). Manning played the single worst statistical game of his entire career (14 for 31, 137 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs and a career-low 31.2 passer rating) and failed to put a single point on the board. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 41-0. 2003 – The Colts went 12-4 in the regular season and scored 27.9 PPG. Manning kept it going in Indy’s first two playoff games, leading 41-10 and 38-31 victories over Denver and Kansas City. But Manning, facing foul weather and a good defense, returned to his historic postseason form in the AFC title game against New England. Indy’s D again played heroically, stifling the Patriots in the red zone and forcing them to settle for five field goals. But Manning tossed four interceptions and posted the third lowest passer rating of his entire career (35.5). Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 24-14.You’ll notice a remarkable difference when you look at Brady’s postseason performances. Let’s take a stroll down a much more attractive memory lane. Roll down the windows and caress yourself in the fresh, breezy air of victory.2001 – In Brady’s first playoff game, and just his 15th NFL start, he crafted one of the great postseason performances by a quarterback in NFL history. Facing a 13-3 fourth-quarter deficit and a blizzard of legendary proportions, Brady was virtually flawless in the fourth quarter and overtime, ran for one touchdown, led a game-tying drive near the end of regulation and went 8 for 8 on New England’s game-winning overtime drive. In some of the most severe conditions in franchise history, Brady completed 32 of 52 passes for 312 yards (with one first-half interception). Did we mention the blizzard? Brady critics are quick to decry the controversial “tuck rule” that overturned a potential late-game fumble by Brady. The call certainly gave New England hope, but it was not a decisive one. The Patriots still needed two scores to win and Brady was virtually flawless when the game counted most. We submit this as the greatest postseason debut by a quarterback in NFL history. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 16-13. Two weeks later, in just his 17th NFL start, Brady led the only walk-off scoring drive in Super Bowl history. After St. Louis forged a 17-17 tie, New England took over on its own 17 with 90 seconds to play and no timeouts. The football establishment expected New England’s inexperienced QB to take a knee and play for overtime. Instead, Brady completed 5 of 8 passes (one incompletion was an intentional spike) to put New England in range for a decisive field goal. It was the first walk-off, game-winning scoring drive in an NFL championship game since Johnny Unitas led the Baltimore Colts to an overtime victory in 1958. Brady became the youngest quarterback to win a Super Bowl and was named the game’s MVP. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 20-17.2003 – Brady led the New England offense to 11 points in the final three minutes of Super Bowl XXXVIII – throwing one touchdown to linebacker Mike Vrabel – and lifting the Patriots to another Super Bowl title. New England trailed, 22-21, midway through the fourth quarter. With the NFL title on the line, Brady completed 10 of 13 passes for 103 yards on New England’s final two drives. He ended the game passing for 354 yards and three scores and set a Super Bowl record with 32 completions. Brady became the youngest quarterback to win two Super Bowls and joined Starr, Bradshaw and Montana as the only players in NFL history to win multiple Super Bowl MVP awards. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 32-29.The chasm of Cold, Hard Football Facts separating each player’s postseason performances could not be more dramatic. Manning has appeared in four NFL postseasons, compiled a 2-4 record despite leading one of the most prolific offenses in football each season, choked at least once each postseason and posted a cumulative passer rating of 54.6 in his four playoff losses. Three times in four seasons in which he’s made the playoffs, Manning recorded his single worst statistical game of the year in the postseason. Two of the three worst statistical games of his career (31.2 and 35.5 passer ratings) came in the playoffs.Brady’s postseason career includes six postseason starts, six victories, and four game-tying or game-winning drives at the end of regulation or overtime. Half his postseason games were played in conditions hardly conducive to great quarterbacking: One game was played in snow, another in a blizzard and another in the coldest game in franchise history (wind chills of -10). He was nearly flawless in a series of postseason games in which a single mistake would have cost his team victory. Either way it's going to be a great game.
David Yudkin
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Over the last two seasons, the Pats are 18-0 at home.I happen to think the Pats have been playing at a 75% effort level the last month or more and will flick the switch and actually try for 60 minutes for a change. I suspect that they will have new plays, new schemes, and will show things they have not done all season to confuse the Colts just enough to hold on for another win.Look for the Pats to put together a couple of 10 minute drives to take the air out of the ball and play keep away from the Colts.
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Attendance History Season Total Capacity Change2001 482,336 100% 4%2000 463,722 96.1% 0.5%1999 461,624 96% -2.99%1998 475,828 99% 0%1997 477,431 99% 1.9%1996 468,301 97% 0.3%1995 466,743 97% -1.3%1994 472,718 98% 30.2%purestrength
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If I were you, I wouldn't bet against Manning throwing seven TDs this weekend, unless you like losing money.Sorry, but i gotta throw the flag on that one.S'not gonna happen.
pizzatyme
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I meant for when the Colts go to Pittsburg next weekend. Yes, NE has dedicated fans. But I figured some of them already had tickets purchased for Pitt. So, now that you understand the intention, if anyone from NE has tickets available after the Colts win THIS weekend, I'm offering 150% of face value.
I can remember all the hype before SuperBowl 36. Pats going against the "Greatest Show on Turf". How it would be over at half-time, the Pats were doomed, how can the Pats slow down the MVP Kurt Warner?They did. I can remember last year at about this time with the Colts coming here for the Championship game. Pats going against the co-MVP (after already beating the other co-MVP the week before). The Colts haven't punted all post season. The Colts were on a roll, the Pats were doomed, how can the Pats slow down the MVP Peyton Manning? (sound familiar?)They did.Now this year, blah, blah, blah. Same crap -different year.They will.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Everyone loves living in the past. This is the here and now! Talking smack about the past is for those who had a good little league game once and still tell the story. After this weekends game, I'll be back to talk or get smacked!Nuff said!!!!!! I respect what the Pats have done over the years. They have beaten the Colts soundly. But that weighs no bearing on this weekends game!Let's get it on! 
I respect what the Pats have done over the years. They have beaten the Colts soundly. But that weighs no bearing on this weekends game!Let's get it on! So none of Mannings touchdowns this year mean anything? That's what Indy fans are leaning on.Everyone loves living in the past. This is the here and now! Talking smack about the past is for those who had a good little league game once and still tell the story. After this weekends game, I'll be back to talk or get smacked!Nuff said!!!!!!
humans_being
Footballguy
Lay off the Kool-Aid son.If I were you, I wouldn't bet against Manning throwing seven TDs this weekend, unless you like losing money.Sorry, but i gotta throw the flag on that one.
Give me your name, address, phone number. I would be happy to bet you $100 that Manning will throw six or fewer TDs. That's assuming youll be man enough to admit when you lose, so I don't have to send my friend Butch after you to pay up.If I were you, I wouldn't bet against Manning throwing seven TDs this weekend, unless you like losing money.Sorry, but i gotta throw the flag on that one.
ColtsFreak
Footballguy
NE gets 3 points in the spread just for being the home team, so if they were playing at a neutral location Indy would be favored by 1 or 2 points!!!!!you need to bet a ton on the Colts then, because they are 1 or 2 point dogs at virtually every sportsbook around.Pats have won 18 straight games at home...saying they have no chance is a bit
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
I'm think the Pats will win......I KNOW it will be the best game of the week. I just can't wait for this one.
jgb95
Footballguy
As a season ticket holder I've been offered 150% and wouldn't sell my tickets for 1000% over price.I just got a SRO ticket for a buddy of mine for $140 (face is $34) that's 412% over face! He was SO friggin happy!!!!!!I don't make predicitons but I have no reason to doubt the PATS at home. But as I've read here and everywhere "anything can happen on Sunday" Look at week 1 who would have thought about all those red zone turnovers.
Nigel
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Latest local weather forecast has dry weather but a high of only 25 and a low of 12 on Sunday. Given the late start, we're probably looking at 20 around kickoff and dropping throughout. This has to help the Pats.
Pats 31
Colts 27
Pats 31
Colts 27
Nigel
Footballguy
Sure, it could be worse, but temps in the teens = harder to throw and catch rock-hard balls and frozen/slicker turf that will hurt a little extra when Harrison, Wilson, etc. pummel Colts' WRs into the ground. Not a huge advantage for the Pats, but any little bit to slow down the Colts' O helps. Much better thantemps in the 30's which is what I had been hearing.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Here is the weather forecast from weather.com It is different from the one you posted. Maybe the local weather man is hoping for colder weather?32 degrees and hardly any wind and no rain or snow.Foxboro - Sunday's Forecast
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Family Matters
Footballguy
I voted Colts as I think they could go to the SB. Not taking anything away from NE or Pitts but the Colts are firing on all cylinders right now and their D is improved in recent weeks. This will be the 4th time the Pats/Colts have played in the last 2 years. They know each other pretty well. The NE O hasn't put a ton of points on them, just enough to win. Usually a big play or two is made by the Pats D to make the difference. Manning was confused a few times the last 2 meetings. I don't think he will be again. There's not much more they can do that help the Pats D with the DB injuries they have. This is to Mannings advantage. Further, the Colts O line is playing as well as any right now. I'm not a Colts fan but as an observer I like their chances this year.
purestrength
Footballguy
First off, don't call me son. Understand, son? I'm probably older than you.Secondly, I had been drinking when I posted "don't bet against him" about Manning throwing seven TD passes against New England. I am passionate about my favorite team and I let it show a little too strongly because of the alcohol. My bad on that.Lay off the Kool-Aid son.If I were you, I wouldn't bet against Manning throwing seven TDs this weekend, unless you like losing money.Sorry, but i gotta throw the flag on that one.
But I do think the Colts will win and I do think Manning will have a very good game. What he's done in the past will not matter Sunday. He's improved a little bit each year of his career and each year he's gotten at least one of his old monkeys off his back.
This year, the New England monkey goes back to the zoo.
Cheers from Indiana.
P.S. -- This will be the NFL Game of the Decade (so far at least). Both teams are outstanding.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
DOWN with the whiny tools!
Bingo, we got Bingo. The Patriots ENTIRE game plan will be to stop the big play. Manning and the little gang will get the guarenteed 7 yards, but nothing more. Then once they get into the Red Zone and have only 30 yards to cover, they can start playing tight and force turnovers and fieldgoals.The Patriots will win this game with their offense. Don't let anyone fool you and think this match-up is BB vs. Manning. The Pats offense is going against last years Chiefs. That's who this Colts defense is. Last year's Chiefs defense. Tons of turnovers, terrible in yardage, covered by their high powered offense. The similarities are striking. If the Pats can score more then 30 points, they should win this game.
Actually yes it does. Win once, it is a fluke. Win twice, it is a trend. Win the 3rd time and it is a fact, And that fact is the Patriots TEAM beats the Colts TEAM 100% of the time since the beginning of the Brady era.Everyone loves living in the past. This is the here and now! Talking smack about the past is for those who had a good little league game once and still tell the story. After this weekends game, I'll be back to talk or get smacked!Nuff said!!!!!!
ColtsFreak
Footballguy
The colts D is nothing like the chiefs, ace! Get a clue about your squad. They will lose because they lack the personnel to cover everyone. Tell me how will the Pats cover Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, James & Clark all on the same play????? It can't be done. Pats are toast and "ripe for the picking". What are the Pats offensive weapons?? Just Brady & Dillon :X :X PATS FANS ARE NERVOUS INDEED!!! You can tell in their posts that they know what will happen Sunday!!!
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lol no. Dude, you guys SAID THIS SAME STUFF LAST YEAR! :rotflmao: Your defense is actually WORSE from last year ranking wise. Really, the Colts are last years Chiefs. Cheifs had a better OL, RB, and TE, but the Colts have better recievers and a better QB. The defenses are one and the same.It was comedy last year to hear Chiefs fans explaining how their secondary was actually very good, and how Sims was an all-pro DL. Now this year, I hear the same things from you guys, but that Freeney is an all world DE.New year, same ####The colts D is nothing like the chiefs, ace! Get a clue about your squad. They will lose because they lack the personnel to cover everyone. Tell me how will the Pats cover Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, James & Clark all on the same play????? It can't be done. Pats are toast and "ripe for the picking". What are the Pats offensive weapons?? Just Brady & Dillon :X :X PATS FANS ARE NERVOUS INDEED!!! You can tell in their posts that they know what will happen Sunday!!!
ColtsFreak
Footballguy
So Freeney isn't one of the top 3 DE's in the league?? Get a grip. Yardage allowed means nothing. The stats that matter as related to a defense is turnover margin and points allowed, but i wouldn't expect a New Englander to know that since you guys have enough trouble speaking properly!! Turnover Margin Colts +19--1st Points Allowed Colts 21.9--18thNot nearly close to the chiefs!!!!!lol no. Dude, you guys SAID THIS SAME STUFF LAST YEAR! :rotflmao: Your defense is actually WORSE from last year ranking wise. Really, the Colts are last years Chiefs. Cheifs had a better OL, RB, and TE, but the Colts have better recievers and a better QB. The defenses are one and the same.It was comedy last year to hear Chiefs fans explaining how their secondary was actually very good, and how Sims was an all-pro DL. Now this year, I hear the same things from you guys, but that Freeney is an all world DE.New year, same ####The colts D is nothing like the chiefs, ace! Get a clue about your squad. They will lose because they lack the personnel to cover everyone. Tell me how will the Pats cover Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, James & Clark all on the same play????? It can't be done. Pats are toast and "ripe for the picking". What are the Pats offensive weapons?? Just Brady & Dillon :X :X PATS FANS ARE NERVOUS INDEED!!! You can tell in their posts that they know what will happen Sunday!!!
humans_being
Footballguy
Easy dude, easy. And don't be so sure about the age thing.
Ahhh, it was the alcohol doing the talking. Liquid courage will do it every time.
It's understandable to think that the Colts could beat NE the way Manning has been playing, and considering the state of the Patriots D, but throwing for 7 TDs against the Pats? I needed to call you on that one.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Over the last 4 seasons, the Colts are 10-20 against teams that made the playoffs in that particular season (includes their playoff games). They are 4-10 on the road in those games.In that same timeframe, the Patriots are 20-8 against playoff teams and are 12-3 at home in those games (with no loses at home since 2002).Colts:2004: @ NE (L), GB (W), SD (W), @ Den (L), Den (W)*2003: Ten (W), @Car (L), NE(L), @ Ten (W), Den (L), Den (W)*, @KC (W)*, @NE (L)*2002: Ten (L), @Pit (L), @Phi (W), @Ten (L), @ Cle (W), NYG (L), @NYJ (L)*2001: NYJ (W), @NE (L), Oak (L), NE (L), Mia (L), SF (L), Bal (L), @ Mia (L), NYJ (L)@StL (L)Patriots:2004: Ind (W), Sea (W), NYJ (W), @ Pit (L), @ StL (W), @ NYJ (W)2003: Phi (W), Ten (W), @ Den (W), Dal (W), @ Ind (W), Ten (W)*, Ind (W)*, vs Car (W)*2002: Pit (W), @ NYJ (W), GB (L), @ Oak (L), @ Ten (L), @ NYJ (L)2001: NYJ (L), @Mia (L), StL (L), @NYJ (W), Mia (W), Oak (W)*, @Pit (W)*, vs StL (W)*I will try to find the Colts record in cold weather games . . .
ColtsFreak
Footballguy
But this all means nothing!!! All that matters is this Sunday! The Vikes were 2-20 outdoors going into last week, but they won. All that matters is Sunday @ 4:30 pm!!!
djcolts
Footballguy
One more thing - the Colts were terrible in 2001, and the Pats won the SB in 2001. That was the year Mora yelled "Playoffs!??" and Edge got hurt - so they were 1 and 9 in that year against playoff teams. 2002 - the Pats were a mediocre team that missed the playoffs, the Colts were a mediocre team that made the playoffs.I think only the last 2 years are really relevant - and the Colts have been good, and the Pats have been better. There's no denying that.
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