(2007 Thread) Which team will be the worst? (1 Viewer)

[LabelMan]

OK...step right up. Place your bets.

We're going oppo tonight - everyone always wants a Super Bowl Champ pick. How about the pick for worst team in the upcoming season.

I'll start it off not with the VERY tempting OAK RAIDERS (law of averages - rare that a team goes in back to back years worst in league...though it should be close)

My pick:

Your 2007-2008 BUFFALO BILLS!

I just imagine Marv starting each day opening a gigantic pill dispenser dolling out brightly colored orbs of happiness. Does this Octaganrian have a clue?

He's rolling with

J.P Losman

Thomas/Lynch

Lee Evans

as his offensive stars?

Defensive mainstay Nate Clements is gone. Spikes is gone. Who's going to lead his young pack of defenders.

Patriots - that's 2 losses

Jets - that's 2 losses

Dolphins - that MAY be a split...oh wait they've got TED GIN JR!!! - that's 2 losses

Losman is as good as he's going to get. Evans will be double/triple teamed each contest. Game over.

Any other thoughts on Best of the Worst this coming season?

 

[LabelMan]

Oh...and apologizes to Lions fans that may have thought they had this honor sewn up.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

Kind of hard to pin down the worst.

Miami

Cleveland

Buffalo

Oakland

But I think I'm going to go with Atlanta.

 

[Block]

I'm going to say the Miami Dolphins. No stable quarterback, aging and possibly disgruntled defense, bad o-line and mediocre skill players on offense, new coach, 2 good teams (Jets, Pats) and 1 mediocre team in division...

I'm betting 3-13 for them.

edit: and they have to play the NFC East, the most solid NFC division top to bottom

 

[joffer]

Oakland

 

[AKComic]

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and pick:

Kansas City Chiefs

Call me crazy, but I think this is the year it all falls apart for 'em.

 

[Reservoir Dog]

Oakland will be the worst, but watch out for Tennessee. They will make a serious bid for next season's #1 pick.

 

[Raider Nation]

Chargers

 

[Chase Stuart]

Buffalo is very underrated, IMO. The AFC East used to be the toughest division in football, but it was very weak in 2005. Now? I think it's back to being the toughest.

Sure the Bills went 7-9, but seven of those losses came against playoff teams. They lost a close game to Detroit and the loss to Tennessee was when the Titans were playing as well as any team in the league. So I don't think Buffalo was anywhere near your average 7-9 team last season.

The Bills lost Fletcher and McGahee, but Posluszny and Lynch cancel them out. Clements hurts, but Dockery, Walker and Whittle should make the Bills offense much more formidable in '07. Losman and Evans are young and improving, and the Bills will be a better running team this year.

They still might not post a great record if they have another killer schedule, but they should be an above average team this year (whether they get a winning record or not).

 

[msommer]

OK...step right up. Place your bets.We're going oppo tonight - everyone always wants a Super Bowl Champ pick. How about the pick for worst team in the upcoming season.I'll start it off not with the VERY tempting OAK RAIDERS (law of averages - rare that a team goes in back to back years worst in league...though it should be close)My pick:Your 2007-2008 BUFFALO BILLS!I just imagine Marv starting each day opening a gigantic pill dispenser dolling out brightly colored orbs of happiness. Does this Octaganrian have a clue?He's rolling withJ.P LosmanThomas/LynchLee Evansas his offensive stars?Defensive mainstay Nate Clements is gone. Spikes is gone. Who's going to lead his young pack of defenders.Patriots - that's 2 lossesJets - that's 2 lossesDolphins - that MAY be a split...oh wait they've got TED GIN JR!!! - that's 2 lossesLosman is as good as he's going to get. Evans will be double/triple teamed each contest. Game over.Any other thoughts on Best of the Worst this coming season?

I think your analysis is severely flawed and that you are Example: Spikes was hardly the best linebacker that left this season - in fact he did not really contribute in several of the games he actually plyed. The best linebacker lost was Fletcher-Baker. If you were on other than a trip you would have used that as an argument. Posluszny was drafted to handle the middle - it will be interesting to see if he actually come through.As for Evans - it would seem to me he was as much the #1 WR last year as he will be in 2007 - so what actually changed?perhaps you are expecting - but not mentioning the that the loss of McGahee will be the straw that broke the camel's back? The McGahee that managed 3.8 ypc? Marshawn Lynch was drafted to handle that task - no one knows whether he is capable.228 attempts, 113 completions (49.6%) for 1340 yards (8 starts) 8 TDs 8 INTs to 429 attempts, 268 completions (62.4%) for 3051 yards 19 TDs 14 INTsThat is Losman's progression. He might add a few TDs to that but only more yardage if he actually throws more - his ypa is acceptable but could go up a notcho or two, but the WR corps that might not be likely.Is it possible that the Bills collapse - I suppose so. Is it likely. Not in my opinion. I'd be really surprised if they end up with the #1 pick

 

[jwb]

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and pick:

Kansas City Chiefs

Call me crazy, but I think this is the year it all falls apart for 'em.

Either them, or the New York Giants. One of them implodes.

 

[oddball]

Who I honestly think will be the worst: Oakland or Washington

As a Cowboy fan, I will be pulling for Cleveland to take top honors though.

 

[Reservoir Dog]

Oakland will be the worst, but watch out for Tennessee. They will make a serious bid for next season's #1 pick.

Tennessee is gonna have a hard time scoring points this season. With the losses of Travis Henry and Drew Bennett, Vince Young is gonna have to handle much more of the burden. Also, opposing D's will now know how to more effectively gameplan for VY. They will try to make Tennessee beat them via the passing game.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and pick:

Kansas City Chiefs

Call me crazy, but I think this is the year it all falls apart for 'em.

I almost said the exact thing, but didn't for fear of ridicule. Honestly, I think they will continue to get Herminated this year, moreso than last.

 

[CharrdWood]

Oakland will be the worst, but watch out for Tennessee. They will make a serious bid for next season's #1 pick.

Tennessee is gonna have a hard time scoring points this season. With the losses of Travis Henry and Drew Bennett, Vince Young is gonna have to handle much more of the burden. Also, opposing D's will now know how to more effectively gameplan for VY. They will try to make Tennessee beat them via the passing game.

Replying to your own post?! Wow, check out the Titans hater! ;| Dude, I'll agree that there are more question marks than answers right now, but there's no way they're the worst team in the league. They could as easily be 10-6 as they'll be 6-10, but if you're expecting them to fall off that dramatically I think you'll be disappointed.Are you a Texans fan by any chance?As to the worst team in the league, I suppose you have to make your own interpretation between the team with the worst record and the team that is just flat out bad but manages to somehow win 4 or 5 games. If the criteria is won-lost record, there's a better chance of it being an AFC team, since that conference is much stronger than the NFC.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Cleveland.

So Dallas gets next years #1

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Chargers

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Cleveland.So Dallas gets next years #1

Cleveland it is.

 

[CBower4545]

LabelMan Posted 07:56 PM

"Dolphins - that MAY be a split...oh wait they've got TED GIN JR!!! - that's 2 losses"

Ted Gin changes a possible split to a solid sweep, thats a joke right?

(Disclaimer I am a Bills fan) I just don't see them being that bad. They were very competitive in 12 games last year winning 7. This bills lost 4 starters which isn't terrible in the league. Clements is not as big of a loss as you may think. Clements took the Bills out of their scheme a little last year. They would set Clements to lock up on a reciever playing to his strength, but the scheme calls more for the corners to stay up and the safeties back. With Nate they could not do that as much. Nate is more talented then what we have but I think scheme wise the team takes a step forward, growing more into the defense they are trying to achieve. Also Fletcher did not fit their scheme the "attacking" LB Marv wants for the D(often he made tackles down the field). MCGahee and Spikes wre not production monsters last year.

G Rush Yds Y/G Avg Lng TD Fum FumL

Willis McGahee 14 259 990 70.7 3.8 57 6 4 2

G solo assist Tackles Int

Takeo Spikes 12 43 27 70 0

I think that production is replaceable. Now Fletcher and Spikes were leaders and from that perspective I think the bills did lose out. I was hoping they keep Spikes, but he requested a trade! I was say they do have tough schedule. Two home game over the final six weeks is not going to help a young team.

bottom Line: Offensively they can get Mcgahee production from a year ago, they have a better line and the same offense that lead them to 7 wins last year. Defensively they have gotten players that fit their scheme better, and with Bobby April as the special teams coach they will field one of the best Special teams. I think they should again be very competitve in about 12 Games.

So I think the floor should be at 5-11 and the ceiling at 10-6 with the reality most likely being in between. Which for me keeps them out of this disscussion.

And for the worst team pick, it may not be interesting but I think it's probably one of these:

Miami

Clevland

Oakland

Detroit

With my pick being Oakland

 

[Musesboy]

Minnesota

 

[Reservoir Dog]

Oakland will be the worst, but watch out for Tennessee. They will make a serious bid for next season's #1 pick.

Tennessee is gonna have a hard time scoring points this season. With the losses of Travis Henry and Drew Bennett, Vince Young is gonna have to handle much more of the burden. Also, opposing D's will now know how to more effectively gameplan for VY. They will try to make Tennessee beat them via the passing game.

Replying to your own post?! Wow, check out the Titans hater! ;| Dude, I'll agree that there are more question marks than answers right now, but there's no way they're the worst team in the league. They could as easily be 10-6 as they'll be 6-10, but if you're expecting them to fall off that dramatically I think you'll be disappointed.Are you a Texans fan by any chance?As to the worst team in the league, I suppose you have to make your own interpretation between the team with the worst record and the team that is just flat out bad but manages to somehow win 4 or 5 games. If the criteria is won-lost record, there's a better chance of it being an AFC team, since that conference is much stronger than the NFC.

I was just elaborating on my earlier post, and no....I don't hate Tennessee, or love Houston. Just giving my . I think Houston will be right there at the bottom as well.My overall thinking behind me ranking Tennessee as one of the worst is that I don't think VY can carry the whole offense on his back.

 

[Fiddles]

miami

 

[Getinthemix]

Another vote for the Chefs. Just don't like anything on that O. And no Jared Allen for 4 games will definitely not help. Also their corners are older than dirt.

 

[LHUCKS]

Cleveland, which is fine because Brady Quinn is used to losing anyhow.

 

[CharrdWood]

Oakland will be the worst, but watch out for Tennessee. They will make a serious bid for next season's #1 pick.

Tennessee is gonna have a hard time scoring points this season. With the losses of Travis Henry and Drew Bennett, Vince Young is gonna have to handle much more of the burden. Also, opposing D's will now know how to more effectively gameplan for VY. They will try to make Tennessee beat them via the passing game.

Replying to your own post?! Wow, check out the Titans hater! ;| Dude, I'll agree that there are more question marks than answers right now, but there's no way they're the worst team in the league. They could as easily be 10-6 as they'll be 6-10, but if you're expecting them to fall off that dramatically I think you'll be disappointed.Are you a Texans fan by any chance?As to the worst team in the league, I suppose you have to make your own interpretation between the team with the worst record and the team that is just flat out bad but manages to somehow win 4 or 5 games. If the criteria is won-lost record, there's a better chance of it being an AFC team, since that conference is much stronger than the NFC.

I was just elaborating on my earlier post, and no....I don't hate Tennessee, or love Houston. Just giving my . I think Houston will be right there at the bottom as well.My overall thinking behind me ranking Tennessee as one of the worst is that I don't think VY can carry the whole offense on his back.

The running game is, as everyone knows, a real wildcard with opinions swinging wildly in one direction or the other. But *FAR* too much is made of losing Bennett. He's eminently replaceable. As is Wade. The fact that nobody knows who'll step up (and it's a pretty small step, mind you) has led to all sorts of proclamations that the Titans don't know what they're doing and are doomed. Maybe that will be the case, but that's why they play the games. Hell, just by stealing the Texans' lunch money twice will ensure that we finish above them.

 

[The Shizzle]

The Bills schedule is horrific.

I say:

Bills 4-12

Oakland 4-12

Cleveland 4-12

 

[BoltBacker]

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and pick:

Kansas City Chiefs

Call me crazy, but I think this is the year it all falls apart for 'em.

I almost said the exact thing, but didn't for fear of ridicule. Honestly, I think they will continue to get Herminated this year, moreso than last.

By "herminated" do you mean take a non-playoff team that loses one of, if not it's best player(Roaf) and it's starting QB for most of they year and takes them to the playoffs? And if that's your definition do you think they'll "herminate" to the second round of the playoffs this year?The legend of how good KC was under Vermeil is exaggerated to a ridiculous level by FF fans. Just because they were a great FF team doesn't mean they were all that good a football team.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and pick:

Kansas City Chiefs

Call me crazy, but I think this is the year it all falls apart for 'em.

I almost said the exact thing, but didn't for fear of ridicule. Honestly, I think they will continue to get Herminated this year, moreso than last.

By "herminated" do you mean take a non-playoff team that loses one of, if not it's best player(Roaf) and it's starting QB for most of they year and takes them to the playoffs? And if that's your definition do you think they'll "herminate" to the second round of the playoffs this year?The legend of how good KC was under Vermeil is exaggerated to a ridiculous level by FF fans. Just because they were a great FF team doesn't mean they were all that good a football team.

They were never a "great FF team." They have had a great FF RB for the past six or seven years, but the rest of their team has sucked from a FF perspective.

And I'm well aware that they've pretty much stunk for years, even under Vermeil. By "Herminated" I mean that they will continue to underachieve (moreso this year), because he is a lousy coach.

All that other stuff you read into my post made my eyes glaze over.

 

[BoltBacker]

Losman is as good as he's going to get. Evans will be double/triple teamed each contest. Game over.Any other thoughts on Best of the Worst this coming season?

Why would you say that about Losman? He's 26yo and last year in his first full season he had a QB rating of 85(pretty impressive if you ask me).Don't you think people were shifting their coverages to Evans last year?I don't think these criticisms make any sense.

 

[BoltBacker]

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and pick:

Kansas City Chiefs

Call me crazy, but I think this is the year it all falls apart for 'em.

I almost said the exact thing, but didn't for fear of ridicule. Honestly, I think they will continue to get Herminated this year, moreso than last.

By "herminated" do you mean take a non-playoff team that loses one of, if not it's best player(Roaf) and it's starting QB for most of they year and takes them to the playoffs? And if that's your definition do you think they'll "herminate" to the second round of the playoffs this year?The legend of how good KC was under Vermeil is exaggerated to a ridiculous level by FF fans. Just because they were a great FF team doesn't mean they were all that good a football team.

They were never a "great FF team." They have had a great FF RB for the past six or seven years, but the rest of their team has sucked from a FF perspective.

And I'm well aware that they've pretty much stunk for years, even under Vermeil. By "Herminated" I mean that they will continue to underachieve (moreso this year), because he is a lousy coach.

All that other stuff you read into my post made my eyes glaze over.

Never a "great FF team"????????They typically had the #1 RB and #1 TE under Vermiel. Green/Kennison performed well above their ADP almost every year.

How are they underachieving if they stunk to begin with? Herm Edwards has already done as well as Vermiel did in the playoffs his entire stint in KC despite the retirement and injury I eluded to.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

They were never a "great FF team." They have had a great FF RB for the past six or seven years, but the rest of their team has sucked from a FF perspective.

Trent Green, Tony Gonzalez and Eddie Kennison down?

 

[Beaumont]

Minnesota

I can't believe this took until post 20 to get the right answer ...

 

[Beetlejuice]

Minnesota

 

[BoltBacker]

Minnesota

I can't believe this took until post 20 to get the right answer ...

I'm not a big fan of MIN but let's keep in mind they play DET/GB twice this year and some pretty good defensive players seem unhappy in CHI. That's not the toughest division. They also get to play OAK at home in the middle of NOV(they typically give up on whoever is coaching them by the of OCT at the latest since they know al will be replacing him). They also have the season opener at home against ATL with a whole new coaching staff.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I can't believe its been this long and the correct answer hasn't been posted

TAMPA BAY!!!

 

[bcr8f]

Tennessee. VY may be doing the scoring by himself.

 

[BoltBacker]

My book says CLE and I can't really argue especially if they pull Frye for Quinn early. The opponents in that division are too good. They play HOU at home and on the road at ARZ.

OAK plays DET/CLE/HOU at home. That CLE@OAK in week #3 could decide who gets the first pick.

 

[BoltBacker]

Tennessee. VY may be doing the scoring by himself.

I'll take Fisher/Young over the coach/qb combinations on several other teams. I realize those aren't the only two factors in the worst team but they might be the two most impoartant. Just look at Shell/Brooks last year. You could see that trainwreck coming and oak couldn't even overcome that duo by having one of the better defenses in the NFL.

 

[The Imp]

Tampa Bay.

 

[scratcher]

Who I honestly think will be the worst: Oakland or WashingtonAs a Cowboy fan, I will be pulling for Cleveland to take top honors though.

This is why I'll be pulling extra hard for Cleveland this year. But I do sense a good draft pick in your future...

 

[LBH]

Im going with Atlanta because I think they will be starting Harrington without Miamis defense

 

[joffer]

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and pick:

Kansas City Chiefs

Call me crazy, but I think this is the year it all falls apart for 'em.

I almost said the exact thing, but didn't for fear of ridicule. Honestly, I think they will continue to get Herminated this year, moreso than last.

By "herminated" do you mean take a non-playoff team that loses one of, if not it's best player(Roaf) and it's starting QB for most of they year and takes them to the playoffs? And if that's your definition do you think they'll "herminate" to the second round of the playoffs this year?The legend of how good KC was under Vermeil is exaggerated to a ridiculous level by FF fans. Just because they were a great FF team doesn't mean they were all that good a football team.

They were never a "great FF team." They have had a great FF RB for the past six or seven years, but the rest of their team has sucked from a FF perspective.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

CLEVELAND.....

 

[Dirty Weasel]

I'll chime in and pick the Giants. Eli is going to have a coronary trying to lead the team without Tiki. He does put up nice TD #'s, but the rest of his stat line blows. Peyton finally got rid of the "choke artist" moniker, but he didn't remove it from the family.

 

[Donnybrook]

Minnesota

I can't believe this took until post 20 to get the right answer ...

The Vikings have won TEN straight over the Lions, with Detroit last scoring a victory over their longtime division rival on Dec. 16th, 2001.

 

[tex]

I'll say Cleveland. Charlie Frye is not very good and if Quinn were to win the job, he's a rookie. Jamal Lewis has seen his best days long ago, and they are in a tough division. I'll say they go 3-13 if they are lucky.

 

[Beaumont]

Minnesota

I can't believe this took until post 20 to get the right answer ...

The Vikings have won TEN straight over the Lions, with Detroit last scoring a victory over their longtime division rival on Dec. 16th, 2001.

I thought this question was about the future not the past ...Did they win those games with Tarvaris and no wideouts?

That offense is going to be really, really bad. And very, very, very prone to turnovers.

Hey, people are railing on the Chiefs as possibly being one of the worst in the league ... I dont agree but you dont see me trying to wn: people with historical arguments about our recent success against the Raiders ...

 

[Beaumont]

Minnesota

I can't believe this took until post 20 to get the right answer ...

I'm not a big fan of MIN but let's keep in mind they play DET/GB twice this year and some pretty good defensive players seem unhappy in CHI. That's not the toughest division. They also get to play OAK at home in the middle of NOV(they typically give up on whoever is coaching them by the of OCT at the latest since they know al will be replacing him). They also have the season opener at home against ATL with a whole new coaching staff.

I was not trying to play schedule guessing. Just picking what I think may be the worst team in the NFL next year ...

 

[chris1969]

Atlanta

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Some of the rationale in this thread on playoff teams from 06 being the worst team in the league one year later is so beyond comprehension and so incredulous........does anyone think objectively anymore?

When is the last time a playoff team was the worst team in the league in year N+1, where N denotes a playoff season.

Think people.

My money would be on one of three teams.

1. Miami

2. Atlanta

3. Minnesota

All three were bottom-10 teams last season and did little to get better in the offseason IMO.