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2009 Draft..... (1 Viewer)
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coolnerd
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Early indications are that the draft is not as deep as this one.
QB- Tebow is being argued about, but he is in Vince Young we know he can run (different style), but can he really drop back and run a passing offense mold.
RB- Probably a normal year with Wells, Moreno, Murray as the most talked about although none of three are considered in the Peterson class
WR- Does not seem s a deep with numbers as this year, but Crabtree, Heyward-Bey are in the Andre Johnson, Edwards, Fitzgerald range of top 5 NFL prospects.
TE- None that high that I know of
There is a 2009 prospect thread lurking around also.
QB- Tebow is being argued about, but he is in Vince Young we know he can run (different style), but can he really drop back and run a passing offense mold.
RB- Probably a normal year with Wells, Moreno, Murray as the most talked about although none of three are considered in the Peterson class
WR- Does not seem s a deep with numbers as this year, but Crabtree, Heyward-Bey are in the Andre Johnson, Edwards, Fitzgerald range of top 5 NFL prospects.
TE- None that high that I know of
There is a 2009 prospect thread lurking around also.
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duece2626
Footballguy
Isn't Crabtree only going to be a soph next year?
sheerterror
Footballguy
I believe he redshirted his freshman year.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Correct, he will be eligible for the 09 draft.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
On the Young/Tebow comparisons....
Young was a 21 year old sophomore in '04, Tebow a 20 year old sophomore in '07. Young redshirted a year, Tebow did not.
G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Y/A Cmp% Rate Y/G Att Yds TD Y/A Y/G Tim Tebow 13 234 350 3286 32 6 9.4 66.9 172.5 252.8 210 895 23 4.3 68.8 Vince Young 12 148 250 1849 12 11 7.4 59.2 128.4 154.1 167 1079 14 6.5 89.9 Vince Young 13 212 325 3036 26 10 9.3 65.2 163.9 233.5 155 1050 12 6.8 80.8The first two lines show how each QB did as a sophomore. Say what you want about Tebow's passing ability, but he absolutely destroys Young. He passed 100 more times, threw three times as many TDs, half as many INTs, and completed a much higher percentage of his passes....for a whole lot more yards. A ratings difference of 44 points makes it clear how much better Tebow really was as a passer, when you compare them both as sophomores. Young was the better runner from a yards per rush perspective, but Tebow ran quite a bit more often. He also was much better at scoring touchdowns on the ground. Whereas Vick was built like a scat back, Young was built like a RB and Tebow like a FB.The last line shows how Young did as a junior, to be fair to Young. He improved dramatically as a passer, although arguably he was still far from Tebow's equal. He averaged fewer yards per game, fewer yards per pass, had a lower completion percentage, threw fewer TDs and threw more INTs. As a runner, he was once again better at yards per carry, but worse at scoring in the end zone.
Tebow as a 20 year old sophomore was a better passer than Young as a 22 year old junior. And despite being "thicker" and more FB-like than Young -- and being a better goal line scorer -- he might end up besting Young's 40 yard dash time at the combine. So you've got a guy who's younger, stronger, equally fast, and better at passing than Young, who was the third pick in the draft.
Tebow definitely could be something special in the NFL, as early as 2010. He's also off the charts on the character meter, another reason to think he'll be a very, very high pick come April '09.
Young was a 21 year old sophomore in '04, Tebow a 20 year old sophomore in '07. Young redshirted a year, Tebow did not.
G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Y/A Cmp% Rate Y/G Att Yds TD Y/A Y/G Tim Tebow 13 234 350 3286 32 6 9.4 66.9 172.5 252.8 210 895 23 4.3 68.8 Vince Young 12 148 250 1849 12 11 7.4 59.2 128.4 154.1 167 1079 14 6.5 89.9 Vince Young 13 212 325 3036 26 10 9.3 65.2 163.9 233.5 155 1050 12 6.8 80.8The first two lines show how each QB did as a sophomore. Say what you want about Tebow's passing ability, but he absolutely destroys Young. He passed 100 more times, threw three times as many TDs, half as many INTs, and completed a much higher percentage of his passes....for a whole lot more yards. A ratings difference of 44 points makes it clear how much better Tebow really was as a passer, when you compare them both as sophomores. Young was the better runner from a yards per rush perspective, but Tebow ran quite a bit more often. He also was much better at scoring touchdowns on the ground. Whereas Vick was built like a scat back, Young was built like a RB and Tebow like a FB.The last line shows how Young did as a junior, to be fair to Young. He improved dramatically as a passer, although arguably he was still far from Tebow's equal. He averaged fewer yards per game, fewer yards per pass, had a lower completion percentage, threw fewer TDs and threw more INTs. As a runner, he was once again better at yards per carry, but worse at scoring in the end zone.
Tebow as a 20 year old sophomore was a better passer than Young as a 22 year old junior. And despite being "thicker" and more FB-like than Young -- and being a better goal line scorer -- he might end up besting Young's 40 yard dash time at the combine. So you've got a guy who's younger, stronger, equally fast, and better at passing than Young, who was the third pick in the draft.
Tebow definitely could be something special in the NFL, as early as 2010. He's also off the charts on the character meter, another reason to think he'll be a very, very high pick come April '09.
I can't imagine Tebow playing QB in the NFL; and if he does, he certainly won't be a running QB.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
coolnerd
Footballguy
I am not convinced either way on Tebow's ability to regularly take 5 step drops, read a defense and throw the ball to the correct spot, but I know he will get a shot in the NFL and probably as a 1st round draft pick if not a really high first rounder. His tough guy running abililty will be apart of what sells a team (and fantasy owners) on him. He will be as highly debated a QB candidate as we have seen in quite awhile.
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EBF
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It's way too early to say anything definitive about the depth.
Right now I see two RBs who are locks for the first round if they declare: Knowshon Moreno and Chris Wells. Wells is likely gone after next season. Moreno will only be a redshirt sophomore, so there's a chance he could hang around until 2010. After those two there's a glut of players with the potential to emerge. Some people like DeMarco Murray from Oklahoma. He has a chance to be a first round pick with a good season, but isn't a lock at this point IMO.
The early story of next year's class for me is the top-heavy group of WRs. Crabtree and Heyward-Bey are probable top 10 picks with big seasons. Harvin is comparable to Santana Moss and will be a top 10-20 pick. I don't know much about the sleeper types yet, but there are players who emerge every season. I know there's a guy from Missouri who's pretty highly thought of, but I'm not familiar with him or his game as of this moment.
Right now I see two RBs who are locks for the first round if they declare: Knowshon Moreno and Chris Wells. Wells is likely gone after next season. Moreno will only be a redshirt sophomore, so there's a chance he could hang around until 2010. After those two there's a glut of players with the potential to emerge. Some people like DeMarco Murray from Oklahoma. He has a chance to be a first round pick with a good season, but isn't a lock at this point IMO.
The early story of next year's class for me is the top-heavy group of WRs. Crabtree and Heyward-Bey are probable top 10 picks with big seasons. Harvin is comparable to Santana Moss and will be a top 10-20 pick. I don't know much about the sleeper types yet, but there are players who emerge every season. I know there's a guy from Missouri who's pretty highly thought of, but I'm not familiar with him or his game as of this moment.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Jeremy Maclin is a crazy talent, but he was a true freshman. Percy Harvin clone, but stronger.Tony Temple is their star RB. He had some nice games, but I'll be surprised if he has nfl game. I would have said the same of Kevin Smith this time a year ago though. Temple made a heroic long TD run on an injured leg that started some buzz. I believe it was against Arkansas and Temple outperformed the Hogs' tandem. We'll see, but I'm not confident. I do like the Clemson duo. I won't call anyone a lock, but Spiller impresses me. He currently has the fastest 60 meter time in the world this season.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
Maclin. More impressive than Harvin if you ask me.
He will be a redshirt Sophmore, like Crabtree, and could easily be regarded as a 1st Rounder. He's the Ted Ginn to Percy Harvin's DeSean Jackson. (Though I think both of these guys are better than their likenesses)
Basically Maclin was not the Chase Daniel's go-to guy on offense right away with established targets Chase Coffman, Martin Rucker, and Will Franklin, but he did get more looks at the season went on.
He needs more seasoning on his route-running, and he could stand to hit the weight room, but he flashed some amazing ability for a Freshman.
Jackie Treehorn
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I don't think this is a good comparison (at least statistically, a lot of the other points are spot on). First, it's hard to say that Young is built like a RB, the guy is 6'5". He is proportioned like one more so than Vick or Tebow.I know both Florida and Texas run spread offenses now, but in 2005 it was drastically different. Texas lined up in the I a lot more as this was still Ced Benson's team at that time. The two best passing options for Young were David Thomas and Bo Scaife- Sweed hadn't really emerged and they lacked forthe most part any good receiving threats on the outside. It wasn't until the next year that Texas was running the spread almost exclusively.I agree Tebow is an interesting and good prospect. He does have better passing skills at this point than Young, but I don't think he'll be able to be the same type of runner in the pros for obvious reasons. Just my opinion, but I think in the NFL if you are going to have a running QB, you don't necessarily want one who is trying to break tackles and run up the middle. Most QB runs in the pros are going to be dictated more by escapability. I think Tebow is very unique as far as his combination of running style and passing ability.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Thanks for correction, and very cool. I suspect he may stick around to 2010 anyway. He's definitely one of my favorite players right now.
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