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2009 Tampa Bay Bucs thread (1 Viewer)

Thanks Quez....any difference in the QBs workload...both working with 1st team O, etc?
It's still pretty eve, but It's looking like Leftwich is "1st string" right now. That's simply my perspective, since he is getting the first shot on the drills, whereas Luke did last week.Leftwich connected with Bryant for a TD today, and it was awesome! All 4 QBs got a shot at the 2 min drill today. Pretty sure Leftwich & McCown drove the field. Josh Johnson also had a TD pass to a new WR we just added. Freeman still looks like the slow kid, not physically, but he did take off for a gain on his feet today. I think we should get creative and use him like Urban used Tebow when he backed up Leak. If he isn't going to play much QB, then we need to at least take advantage of his physicality by putting him in for goal line.
 
Here is an excerpt from a Pewter Report Insider article concerning the crowded Bucs backfield. Jim Flynn gave me permission to share this content, but I highly recomend those Bucs fans that are not subscribers to take advantage of their $10 special.



We know Graham and Ward will be active on game days. They will be featured quite a bit in Jeff Jagodzinski's zone blocking scheme, which is run-oriented in nature.

After that things get interesting because the Bucs will also make Smith active on game days. He will serve as the team's primary return specialist.

So, would the Bucs actually make four backs active on game days, not including their fullbacks? That's what they'd have to do in order to get Williams on the football field.

Williams is attempting to return to form after suffering two season-ending knee injuries in as many years. So far, so good for Williams, who has been doing quite well in training camp.

However, the problem with activating Williams on game days is he does not cover kickoffs or punts on special teams, which is typically what a third- or fourth-string player must do to justify his spot on an active roster. Complicating matters if the fact that Williams is scheduled to earn over $2 million in base salary in 2009.

The Bucs have been giving Williams an awful lot of work as a punt and kickoff return man. That job should be Smith's, but some have been wondering if the Bucs would rotate return men based on Jagodzinski's game plan from week to week, meaning Smith, who is not yet a proven running back in the NFL, could be active one game and Williams could be active the next.

If the Bucs decide to make four running backs active on game days, it likely would mean Tampa Bay would keep just one fullback on its active roster, especially since Graham can play both positions. That one fullback likely would be B.J. Askew, whose role in the passing game has been dramatically reduced compared to the one he had in former head coach Jon Gruden's offensive system. In addition to being a good blocker, Askew is also a solid special teams player.

It will be interesting to see how the Bucs decide to work their running backs into the rotation, and which ones, if any, they opt to make inactive on game days this season.

“You have to make it work somewhere else,” said Bucs head coach Raheem Morris. “Earnest Graham is a special teams guy and he’s done that for us in the past. B.J. Askew has been a great special teams player for us, and so has Jameel Cook.

“I don’t think Cadillac has ever been asked to cover on special teams. Derrick Ward was earlier in his career. The game day decisions will be made by us as a group. We’ll deal with that when we get to the games.



 
Seeing training camp today, seems like Leftwich is 1 and McCown is 2 and the others will work themselves out. Didn't even seem really close IMO. Leftwich was looking pretty confident and threw a nice long ball down the sideline to Bryant. McCown scrambled on 1 play and Freeman kept throwing to his TE. Interesting to see Clayton giving tips to a rookie on position and hand placement. Cement hands should know a thing or two about hand placement.

 
Ugh...starting S Tanard Jackson suspended for the first 4 games.

Jermaine Phillips likely moves back to Safety, and they replace him at LB with who?

 
At this point, I don't know how anybody can watch the QBs play and feel like Leftwich is better. All I hear is Leftwich "commands the huddle" and "has respect", for whatever the #### that's worth.

He's also going to command a few 10-27 for a 108 yards starts if the Bucs actually decide to run him out there.

 
Belated thoughts.

-Thought the offense was way more dynamic than anybody thought it would be. Clayton was physical, Winslow was open a few times (but had horrible drops) and the Oline was terrific. That said, they didn't score as much as they could have and Faine is out a few weeks. Going to be a major factor with Mahan filling in. He gets crushed off the line when he plays center, but apparently can make the line reads better than the Crompton kid. They need Faine bad. He may be the most irreplaceable player on the team.

-Everybody is blaming the secondary, but the defensive line is the major issue. Piscatelli isn't that bad; he's only making his 8th career start this week, people need to lighten up a little. The major problem is that Romo had that amount of time to throw, allowing the big plays to develop. It's becoming more and more apparent that Gaines Adams is never going to live up to that 4th overall pick, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt this year. He just doesn't seem to have the ability to finish off his pass rush on a consistent basis. He can get there at times, but doesn't close it out.

-Special teams were horrible and cost the team at least 10 points. Has to be corrected.

-I think the linebacker corps of Black, Ruud and Hayes could be together for years. Young, fast and Hayes looks like a real player. Consider me surprised, as he was a disappointment at FSU.

-There are a lot of components to a really good football team in 2010-forward here. The offense is all young and good, then defensively you have the linebackers, Tanard, Talib, Roy Miller and maybe Gaines if he can make the leap...more young talent than they get credit for. Just have to take some bruises. Hopefully Freeman is absorbing as much as possible.

-I still think this team can get to 7-9 or 8-8. Buffalo a tough matchup this week. If our dline can't get any pressure on their oline though, that's going to be a bad sign for the rest of the year. Might be the worst oline they face all season.

 
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the defensive line is the major issue. Piscatelli isn't that bad; he's only making his 8th career start this week, people need to lighten up a little. The major problem is that Romo had that amount of time to throw, allowing the big plays to develop. It's becoming more and more apparent that Gaines Adams is never going to live up to that 4th overall pick, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt this year. He just doesn't seem to have the ability to finish off his pass rush on a consistent basis. He can get there at times, but doesn't close it out.
Well said Cap. I agree there is some positive to take away...disagree that we have a chance to win that many games. Schedule is just too tough.To the point copied above, we all knew this and have been vocal about it going in. So no surprise the DL stinks and is the biggest detriment. They have to address it asap. I personally think we'll get a top 3 pick next season...and the UF DL looks pretty good right now. Of course I'd love Cody, if the scheme was right. Who knows with the potentially cap changes though.
 
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Gaines NEEDS to get 1 sack this weekend, or the whispers of "bust" will turn into screams.

I'm predicting a year of AB & Winslow not practicing. The swelling in AB's knee is def a concern.

The run D is vastly improved.

Clayton could be in for a big year, for him anyways. Especially, if Bryant misses any time.

Still very worried about Faine absence.

 
Going to have to go back to the Richard Williamson days to find a performance that putrid. I'm still in shock at how bad they were today.

 
I was actually worried about the Giants not having enough to win this one. Duh. The Bucs were breathtakingly, orange-pants, dude-with-knife-in-teeth, bad. A change at HC has to be coming down the pike stat. Not sure how the front office let the defense get so old so fast, either.

 
The defense isn't old at all (save Ronde Barber); it's just really, really, really bad.

By my count off the top of my head, 9 of the 11 starters are in their 20s, and 5 are in their second or third years.

 
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I was actually worried about the Giants not having enough to win this one. Duh. The Bucs were breathtakingly, orange-pants, dude-with-knife-in-teeth, bad. A change at HC has to be coming down the pike stat. Not sure how the front office let the defense get so old so fast, either.
I would say Morris has more job security than most coaches in the league. He's young and he'll be given time to put the team together. He'll have two years imo, and they'll have to show real improvement by year three. In other words, this is going to be a long season in Tampa and I don't think next year is going to be a whole lot better.

 
The defense isn't old at all (save Ronde Barber); it's just really, really, really bad.By my count off the top of my head, 9 of the 11 starters are in their 20s, and 5 are in their second or third years.
You're absolutely right, and although I did have Hovan and Barber in mind when I posted that, I left off a key step in my bad analysis. :bag: I meant that I didn't how the FO let the defense get old so fast and do nothing about it, such that the transition to such a young D happened almost overnight. Seems like they could have drafted some quality players to add depth at key positions years ago instead of falling off so rapidly. :cry:
 
Under 100 yards of total offense. Has to be close to a modern day record. It was a pathetic effort. Leftwich is not an NFL starting QB.

 
The defense isn't old at all (save Ronde Barber); it's just really, really, really bad.By my count off the top of my head, 9 of the 11 starters are in their 20s, and 5 are in their second or third years.
You're absolutely right, and although I did have Hovan and Barber in mind when I posted that, I left off a key step in my bad analysis. ;) I meant that I didn't how the FO let the defense get old so fast and do nothing about it, such that the transition to such a young D happened almost overnight. Seems like they could have drafted some quality players to add depth at key positions years ago instead of falling off so rapidly. :rolleyes:
Well, in some ways they tried. They spent day 1 picks on Gaines Adams, Talib, Piscatelli, Quincy Black and Ruud in the past few years. The last four have worked out ok, but none are potential Hall of Famers (or really even pro bowlers...although Talib has the talent to be a big-timer) and Adams is a complete bust. Just a massive letdown all around.
 
I blame it on two things: 1) The defense; 2) Not spending enough $$ on the team this offseason. And, there is a strong correlation between the two (i.e., should've spent more money on the defensive side of the ball).

I think the offense has enough talent to win games (even with Leftwich), but the defense can't stop anyone and can't put the offense in any good situations.

Defensive line is a major concern. The secondary is good enough to win some games.

Run defense and lack of pass rush is definitely hurting the Bucs.

I'll give the offense a pass this week against a very talented NYG dst. I don't think anyone expected TB to beat the NYG this week, but if the defense played bigger in the previous weeks they should've at least won the Buffalo game, maybe the Dallas game.

 
The defense isn't old at all (save Ronde Barber); it's just really, really, really bad.By my count off the top of my head, 9 of the 11 starters are in their 20s, and 5 are in their second or third years.
You're absolutely right, and although I did have Hovan and Barber in mind when I posted that, I left off a key step in my bad analysis. :bag: I meant that I didn't how the FO let the defense get old so fast and do nothing about it, such that the transition to such a young D happened almost overnight. Seems like they could have drafted some quality players to add depth at key positions years ago instead of falling off so rapidly. :shrug:
Well, in some ways they tried. They spent day 1 picks on Gaines Adams, Talib, Piscatelli, Quincy Black and Ruud in the past few years. The last four have worked out ok, but none are potential Hall of Famers (or really even pro bowlers...although Talib has the talent to be a big-timer) and Adams is a complete bust. Just a massive letdown all around.
Right - - I see that with Ruud and Talib, but no one else. Sabby (isn't he potentially headed back to the bench soon?) and Black to me are just second-string depth, not what they needed to fill the Brooks/Lynch shoes. I know nothing about college FB, but since I went to an ACC school I nevertheless hear random things from purported "insiders," and someone told me on draft day that Adams would be an NFL bust.
 
Sabby had a horrible first game, but was pretty good last week and about as ok as a guy could be when a team gets thrashed like the Bucs did today.

He missed all of his first year with an injury and only started the second-half of last year, so I am willing to give him time. Today was only his 9th career start.

Black doesn't have enough tape to make an opinion on. But, it does seem to be a bad sign that he spent his first two years firmly attached to the pine.

 
wow...I know things are bad but over a month with no posts???

Just curious what the Bucs' faithful think Winslow will do with QB#3 of the season? He had great rapport with Leftwich and, for a little while with Johnson. But, is the OL's failings and lack of WR weapons make him continue on the high risk/high reward path?

 
wow...I know things are bad but over a month with no posts???Just curious what the Bucs' faithful think Winslow will do with QB#3 of the season? He had great rapport with Leftwich and, for a little while with Johnson. But, is the OL's failings and lack of WR weapons make him continue on the high risk/high reward path?
Winslow will be a top-10 TE. He's too talented not be. He can produce with ANY QB. He put 1,100 yards with Derek Anderson and 800 with Charlie Frye(although so did Braylon Edwards) I wouldn't worry too much about Winslow. Now that said, I don't really see anyone on the Bucs being very consistent.
 
To think the homers thought I was crazy when I said they they would go 3-13 if they were lucky. :confused:

 
I think the only legit chance for a win is week 16 against ATL. Thinking if they have a playoff spot wrapped up they may not start their big guns. Otherwise.....fugly.

 
To think the homers thought I was crazy when I said they they would go 3-13 if they were lucky. ;)
I'll eat some crow on this one. I knew they were facing a tough schedule. I knew there were some problems on defense. But to possibly go winless...I didn't see that coming :thumbup:
 
The winless crap got out of hand...it was 7 games people.

What a blast the game was today...seeing all the orange, he old jerseys, the ring of honor ceremony, Freeman's first start and a win. Real good times.

 
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The winless crap got out of hand...it was 7 games people. What a blast the game was today...seeing all the orange, he old jerseys, the ring of honor ceremony, Freeman's first start and a win. Real good times.
:excited: Congrats to the Bucs and all their fans. They outplayed the Pack today and deserved it. For those who didn't see the game, Freeman is even better than his numbers. Clearly Johnson was just filler so I am glad they gave him a shot, and you can see he has obvious skills.
 
The winless crap got out of hand...it was 7 games people. What a blast the game was today...seeing all the orange, he old jerseys, the ring of honor ceremony, Freeman's first start and a win. Real good times.
Congrats to the Bucs and their fans. Even though they are in the same division as the Saints, I have liked the Bucs and Panthers for that matter. The Falcons are another issue. :goodposting:I have to say...I LOVE the orange jerseys. Even though their current uniforms are good, I loved those old orange ones. They were just so distinctive and to me, it just works.
 
The winless crap got out of hand...it was 7 games people. What a blast the game was today...seeing all the orange, he old jerseys, the ring of honor ceremony, Freeman's first start and a win. Real good times.
Congrats to the Bucs and their fans. Even though they are in the same division as the Saints, I have liked the Bucs and Panthers for that matter. The Falcons are another issue. :thumbup:I have to say...I LOVE the orange jerseys. Even though their current uniforms are good, I loved those old orange ones. They were just so distinctive and to me, it just works.
I agree with the comment on the Creamsicle uniforms. I like the pewter unis. But the creamsicle is just so gawdy that it works. I hope they can find a way to wear them for the rest of the season.
 
I think they only had plans to wear them once this year. I do know they plan to wear them at least twice next year.

 
Freeman has a real pressence ont he field. The guys seemed to rally behind him and he is able to make some plays with his feet. He almost looks like like a McNair type to me but I don't want to get the annointing oils out just yet. Morris still looks lost to me, glad the Bucs are finally tasting victory.

 
If you watch any old Bucs tapes, he was like a Doug Williams clone out there today. Almost creepy.

 

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