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2010 Award Winners (1 Viewer)

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AL

MVP - Hamilton, Cabrera, Cano, Longoria, Bautista

CY YOUNG - Price, Buchholz, Sabathia, Hernandez, Lester

ROOKIE - Jackson, Boesch, Davis

NL

MVP - Votto, Pujols, AGon, Zimmerman, Gonzalez (CO)

CY YOUNG - Halladay, Wainwright, Hudson, Johnson, Jiminez

ROOKIE - Garcia, Heyward, Castro

 
Cabrera

Fat Back

AJAX

Votto

Wainwright or Jimenez

Heyward

The Cy Young races will both be extremely close. The other four may be depending on September but I think my four up there are clear leaders right now.

 
AL MVP: Hamilton

AL Cy: Sabathia

AL Rookie: Austin Jackson (Pedro Feliz is more deserving than Boesch or Wade Davis)

NL MVP: Votto

NL Cy: Halladay (I'd prob say Latos if he weren't on a tight innings limit)

NL Rookie: Jaime Garcia (though there's a good chance Buster Posey will win, he should definitely be listed in OP)

 
King Felix has better #s across the board than CC except wins but thats not his fault. Dont get me wrong CC has been phenomenal and is very deserving of being in the discussion but right now Id lean towards Felix.

 
King Felix has better #s across the board than CC except wins but thats not his fault. Dont get me wrong CC has been phenomenal and is very deserving of being in the discussion but right now Id lean towards Felix.
Well wins are a pretty important component in the Cy Young voting, and frankly it should be. I know what you're saying, Felix probably has 17 or 18 wins on a good team...but that's not really gonna fly for Cy Young voting. I think Felix has almost no chance.
 
King Felix has better #s across the board than CC except wins but thats not his fault. Dont get me wrong CC has been phenomenal and is very deserving of being in the discussion but right now Id lean towards Felix.
Well wins are a pretty important component in the Cy Young voting, and frankly it should be. I know what you're saying, Felix probably has 17 or 18 wins on a good team...but that's not really gonna fly for Cy Young voting. I think Felix has almost no chance.
Wins are the most pointless stat imo and shouldn't be all that important in a Cy Young race. Felix has 10 losses and got 10 runs total of offensive support in those games. Felix: 93 runs of support in 29 starts, 3.21 per gameCC: 171 in 29 starts, 5.90 per gameBetter ERA and WHIP, more K's, less walks for Felix yet it seems his offense will cost him against CC. Not sure why wins should be an important component when all it does in this case is show how putrid the offense. Cy Young is a pitching award so it should be awarded on pitching and not won or lost on a component that is 50% offensive. I agree he probably has zero chance unless he gets a W from here on out and gets up to 15 or so but he shouldn't be out of the race because his offense blows. Wins should be a low component and not an important one.
 
King Felix has better #s across the board than CC except wins but thats not his fault. Dont get me wrong CC has been phenomenal and is very deserving of being in the discussion but right now Id lean towards Felix.
Well wins are a pretty important component in the Cy Young voting, and frankly it should be. I know what you're saying, Felix probably has 17 or 18 wins on a good team...but that's not really gonna fly for Cy Young voting. I think Felix has almost no chance.
Wins are the most pointless stat imo and shouldn't be all that important in a Cy Young race. Felix has 10 losses and got 10 runs total of offensive support in those games. Felix: 93 runs of support in 29 starts, 3.21 per gameCC: 171 in 29 starts, 5.90 per gameBetter ERA and WHIP, more K's, less walks for Felix yet it seems his offense will cost him against CC. Not sure why wins should be an important component when all it does in this case is show how putrid the offense. Cy Young is a pitching award so it should be awarded on pitching and not won or lost on a component that is 50% offensive. I agree he probably has zero chance unless he gets a W from here on out and gets up to 15 or so but he shouldn't be out of the race because his offense blows. Wins should be a low component and not an important one.
Wins are often times incidental but winning is the point of playing the game, and 300 wins for a pitcher is a gold Hall of Fame standard. Again I understand what Felix is up against but unless he had a 1 WHIP and an ERA under 2, I don't feel sorry for him. Wins are the most important single stat for the average baseball fan, and the writers who vote on this are average baseball fans. Even so, completely disregarding wins as a central component to Cy Young voting doesn't work for me. There are more important categories and wins don't measure the potential or the talent of a pitcher, but they do count when talking about the Cy Young award.
 
CabreraFat Back AJAXVottoWainwright or JimenezHeywardThe Cy Young races will both be extremely close. The other four may be depending on September but I think my four up there are clear leaders right now.
Can't argue with any of your predictions, except NL CY Young. I think either Wainwright or Halladay gets this. Jimenez has one more win, but is inferior to Halladay and Wainwright in pretty much every other statistical category. ERA, IP, CG, SHO, SO, WHIPWainwright and Halladay are almost spitting images of each other statistical wise.
 
NL:

MVP - Votto - Could change to Gonzo if Col makes playoffs

Cy - Wainwright - Can't see him getting screwed again this year

ROY - Heyward - Super strong finish to make up for playing hurt in late May/June

AL:

MVP - Cabrera - Hamilton may not play until the last week of the season

Cy - CC - Felix is probably more deserving, but the win total draws the biggest eyes

ROY - Jackson - Great talent and great season gets it over the RP

 
King Felix has better #s across the board than CC except wins but thats not his fault. Dont get me wrong CC has been phenomenal and is very deserving of being in the discussion but right now Id lean towards Felix.
Well wins are a pretty important component in the Cy Young voting, and frankly it should be. I know what you're saying, Felix probably has 17 or 18 wins on a good team...but that's not really gonna fly for Cy Young voting. I think Felix has almost no chance.
Wins are the most pointless stat imo and shouldn't be all that important in a Cy Young race. Felix has 10 losses and got 10 runs total of offensive support in those games. Felix: 93 runs of support in 29 starts, 3.21 per game

CC: 171 in 29 starts, 5.90 per game

Better ERA and WHIP, more K's, less walks for Felix yet it seems his offense will cost him against CC. Not sure why wins should be an important component when all it does in this case is show how putrid the offense. Cy Young is a pitching award so it should be awarded on pitching and not won or lost on a component that is 50% offensive.

I agree he probably has zero chance unless he gets a W from here on out and gets up to 15 or so but he shouldn't be out of the race because his offense blows. Wins should be a low component and not an important one.
Wins are often times incidental but winning is the point of playing the game, and 300 wins for a pitcher is a gold Hall of Fame standard. Again I understand what Felix is up against but unless he had a 1 WHIP and an ERA under 2, I don't feel sorry for him. Wins are the most important single stat for the average baseball fan, and the writers who vote on this are average baseball fans. Even so, completely disregarding wins as a central component to Cy Young voting doesn't work for me. There are more important categories and wins don't measure the potential or the talent of a pitcher, but they do count when talking about the Cy Young award.
Who deserves the AL Cy Young? Execs give nod to Felix Hernandez"I would hope voters have gotten to the point where wins -- while a factor -- are only a very small part of the calculus given how dependent an individual's total is upon his team's run scoring, defense and bullpen performances,'' said one American League executive. "Based upon what the individuals have done, my ballot would be Felix, CC (and Jered) Weaver.'' (The often omitted Weaver's stats are pretty close to Hernandez, except in the notable case of ERA).

Obviously wasn't all the execs and they don't even vote but 6 of 9 is pretty impressive and Felix got 6 of 8 of American league execs. Writers are stupid though and may lean on wins too much. At 12 wins and 3 starts left, hopefully Felix can get to 15 and make that stat look better too.

 
NL:

MVP - Votto - Pretty embarrassing for ole Charlie Manuel for snubbing him, eh?

Cy - Jimenez - If CarGo's splits are his downfall playing at Coors Field, that should inflate Jimenez's feat doing what he's done @ Coors Field.

ROY - Heyward - Yes, Posey and Garcia had awesome years as well, but Heyward has been w/ the big club all season and has earned it. Posey only has a partial season and Garcia has come back to earth as his BABIP suggested he would. Not to mention he's been shut down, for all intents and purposes (and rightfully so, imo).

AL:

MVP - Hamilton - This is the hardest one, imo. There is precedence of not playing the whole year and winning the MVP, so there's that. Plus his numbers are just incredible for a 1st place team. Wouldn't be shocked, nor crying foul if Cabrera takes it though.

Cy - King Felix - Put him on the Yankees and this isn't even a discussion

ROY - Jackson - Dude's the real deal and has had an incredible season

NL MotY - Bud Black - Everyone had the Fathers penciled in for a horrible season and looking to unload Gonzalez and Bell by mid-season. Just an incredible season for them.

AL MotY - This one is tougher, imo. Francona kept his team in it while juggling about 3,459,283 injuries this season. Gardenhire has had to do it without a former AL MVP as well. Then there's Washington too...I'll go w/ Gardenhire, but wouldn't be shocked if this one is wrong.

 
Well I reckon the AL CY is wrapped up now. HAIL KING FELIX!
I'm not so sure about that. He's 12-12. Price and Lester could still win 20 games. While Sabathia's other numbers are not as good, he still could win.The fewest wins for a Cy Young winner (as a starter) has been 15. Nolan Ryan had a year in Houston when he led the league in strikeouts and ERA (and ERA+) but went 8-16. IIRC, he finished 5th or 6th in the balloting that year. Wins still matter.
 
NL:Cy - Jimenez - If CarGo's splits are his downfall playing at Coors Field, that should inflate Jimenez's feat doing what he's done @ Coors Field.
Only problem with this line of reasoning is that Halladay also plays in a hitters park.Halladay has more wins, lower ERA (and ERA+), more complete games, more shutouts, more innings pitched, more strikeouts, a lower WHIP, a higher SO/BB ratio. I really can't find a relevant statistical category that Jimenez is better than Halladay. Win %, but I wouldn't call that category relevant.
 
Well I reckon the AL CY is wrapped up now. HAIL KING FELIX!
I'm not so sure about that. He's 12-12. Price and Lester could still win 20 games. While Sabathia's other numbers are not as good, he still could win.The fewest wins for a Cy Young winner (as a starter) has been 15. Nolan Ryan had a year in Houston when he led the league in strikeouts and ERA (and ERA+) but went 8-16. IIRC, he finished 5th or 6th in the balloting that year. Wins still matter.
I think most voters don't value wins NEARLY as much as they used to. I mean, we will see, but I think even in the last 5 years writers have come to see how irrelevant wins are to a pitcher.Plus the fact that Seattle is historically bad offensively will help him.
 
Well I reckon the AL CY is wrapped up now.

HAIL KING FELIX!
I'm not so sure about that. He's 12-12. Price and Lester could still win 20 games. While Sabathia's other numbers are not as good, he still could win.The fewest wins for a Cy Young winner (as a starter) has been 15. Nolan Ryan had a year in Houston when he led the league in strikeouts and ERA (and ERA+) but went 8-16. IIRC, he finished 5th or 6th in the balloting that year.

Wins still matter.
I think most voters don't value wins NEARLY as much as they used to. I mean, we will see, but I think even in the last 5 years writers have come to see how irrelevant wins are to a pitcher.Plus the fact that Seattle is historically bad offensively will help him.
I disagree. I think they are still the #1 component in Cy Young voting.
 
Well I reckon the AL CY is wrapped up now.

HAIL KING FELIX!
I'm not so sure about that. He's 12-12. Price and Lester could still win 20 games. While Sabathia's other numbers are not as good, he still could win.The fewest wins for a Cy Young winner (as a starter) has been 15. Nolan Ryan had a year in Houston when he led the league in strikeouts and ERA (and ERA+) but went 8-16. IIRC, he finished 5th or 6th in the balloting that year.

Wins still matter.
I think most voters don't value wins NEARLY as much as they used to. I mean, we will see, but I think even in the last 5 years writers have come to see how irrelevant wins are to a pitcher.Plus the fact that Seattle is historically bad offensively will help him.
I disagree. I think they are still the #1 component in Cy Young voting.
Just to be clear - do you think that wins should be the #1 component or that voters still consider them to be?

And if it is the latter - how did Greinke and Lincecum win last year?

 
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I don't think it is a matter of the pitcher with the most wins automatically winning, but voters unfortunately do take W/L record into account, which is why I also think Felix won't win it despite being the clear-cut best pitcher in the AL this season.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
whoknew said:
David Yudkin said:
Well I reckon the AL CY is wrapped up now.

HAIL KING FELIX!
I'm not so sure about that. He's 12-12. Price and Lester could still win 20 games. While Sabathia's other numbers are not as good, he still could win.The fewest wins for a Cy Young winner (as a starter) has been 15. Nolan Ryan had a year in Houston when he led the league in strikeouts and ERA (and ERA+) but went 8-16. IIRC, he finished 5th or 6th in the balloting that year.

Wins still matter.
I think most voters don't value wins NEARLY as much as they used to. I mean, we will see, but I think even in the last 5 years writers have come to see how irrelevant wins are to a pitcher.Plus the fact that Seattle is historically bad offensively will help him.
I disagree. I think they are still the #1 component in Cy Young voting.
Guy polled the voters about criteria, got response from about half Ken Rosenthal says Felix should win

'Hernandez’s Mariners are on pace to score 513 runs. The last AL team to score fewer than 513 was the 1971 California Angels, according to STATS LLC. The last NL team to do it was the ‘71 San Diego Padres. That’s right, the 2010 the Mariners could score the fewest runs of any AL team in the DH era, which began in 1973.'

'Hernandez’s run support — a little more than three per nine innings — is the worst in the AL; Sabathia’s support, which is nearly twice as great, is the third best.'

'The Mariners have not scored even one run behind Hernandez in seven of his past 13 starts. Not one!....What is Hernandez supposed to do, allow fewer than zero runs?'

'Sabathia gave up seven runs, all earned, Thursday night. Hernandez has allowed that many earned runs in his last nine starts combined.'

I guess in the end, we will see how important wins are. If the voters think they are, Felix loses. If voters take them as another stat, Felix wins.

 
As for the voting, I think voters will still vote for King Felix . . . but just not first place votes. The writers will say it doesn't matter, but I'll believe it when the final votes are cast.

I also personally think that wins do matter a fair amount. I would like to see a pitcher still win and gut out a game where he gave up 5 ER in 6 IP as opposed to a guy that may have given up a couple cheap runs and ended up losing. Yes, the guy that lost in the second example pitched better overall, but the first one pitched well enough to win. It's not always about stats. They still play the games to win.

Put in football terms, if a QB threw for 5,000 yards and 40 TD but his team had no defense and no running game and went 4-12, that player most likely would not be MVP.

That's also why I think the AL MVP voting will be interesting, as Bautista and Cabrera are on teams that were not in the mix almost the entire season.

 
I also personally think that wins do matter a fair amount. I would like to see a pitcher still win and gut out a game where he gave up 5 ER in 6 IP as opposed to a guy that may have given up a couple cheap runs and ended up losing. Yes, the guy that lost in the second example pitched better overall, but the first one pitched well enough to win. It's not always about stats. They still play the games to win.
Shtick?
 
As for the voting, I think voters will still vote for King Felix . . . but just not first place votes. The writers will say it doesn't matter, but I'll believe it when the final votes are cast.I also personally think that wins do matter a fair amount. I would like to see a pitcher still win and gut out a game where he gave up 5 ER in 6 IP as opposed to a guy that may have given up a couple cheap runs and ended up losing. Yes, the guy that lost in the second example pitched better overall, but the first one pitched well enough to win. It's not always about stats. They still play the games to win.Put in football terms, if a QB threw for 5,000 yards and 40 TD but his team had no defense and no running game and went 4-12, that player most likely would not be MVP.That's also why I think the AL MVP voting will be interesting, as Bautista and Cabrera are on teams that were not in the mix almost the entire season.
I don't care if Bautista hit 50+ HRs. He still only hit .268He is not an MVP playerHow does a guy who doesn't even weigh 200 lbs, go from the past four seasons of 16, 15, 15, and 13 HRs to 50+ this year?
 
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Bautista has always been a guy that was expected to have big time power potential. He's always failed to live up to those expectations but he's also never been given extended playing time like this. The last month of last year he really started flashing some pop.

 
I also personally think that wins do matter a fair amount. I would like to see a pitcher still win and gut out a game where he gave up 5 ER in 6 IP as opposed to a guy that may have given up a couple cheap runs and ended up losing. Yes, the guy that lost in the second example pitched better overall, but the first one pitched well enough to win. It's not always about stats. They still play the games to win.
You cannot be serious.
 
Interesting AL MVP development.

Any thoughts on CC for AL MVP since the hitters are literally falling apart?
Josh Hamilton is not winning and the pitchers have an award called the Cy Young. No reason to give the MVP to a pitcher when Cabrera had a season like that, would defeat the purpose of the award. Also they need to have rookie pitcher and rookie hitter of the year. If Austin Jackson an every day player who scored 100 runs and hit .300 loses to a closer I'm gonna be :wall:

 
Interesting AL MVP development.

Any thoughts on CC for AL MVP since the hitters are literally falling apart?
Josh Hamilton is not winning and the pitchers have an award called the Cy Young. No reason to give the MVP to a pitcher when Cabrera had a season like that, would defeat the purpose of the award. Also they need to have rookie pitcher and rookie hitter of the year. If Austin Jackson an every day player who scored 100 runs and hit .300 loses to a closer I'm gonna be :unsure:
I'm just saying there hasn't been much Cabrera buzz lately. Probably because the focus has been on the AL Cy Young. CC has been a huge stop-gap for the Yankees this year.
 
Interesting AL MVP development.

Any thoughts on CC for AL MVP since the hitters are literally falling apart?
Josh Hamilton is not winning and the pitchers have an award called the Cy Young. No reason to give the MVP to a pitcher when Cabrera had a season like that, would defeat the purpose of the award. Also they need to have rookie pitcher and rookie hitter of the year. If Austin Jackson an every day player who scored 100 runs and hit .300 loses to a closer I'm gonna be :hot:
I'm just saying there hasn't been much Cabrera buzz lately. Probably because the focus has been on the AL Cy Young. CC has been a huge stop-gap for the Yankees this year.
In half of Sabathia's starts, the Yankees scored 6 or more runs. Not surprisingly, he was 12-0 in those 16 starts. He actually pitched worse when his team only scored 0-2 runs (had an ERA of 3.60). From looking at his game logs, it seems that he stopped two, 2 game losing streaks with a win, but he also continued 3 or 4 losing streaks throughout the year. He certainly should be the top 3 in Cy Young, for he had a fantastic year, but this whole stop-gap thing is a fallacy.

 
Interesting AL MVP development.

Any thoughts on CC for AL MVP since the hitters are literally falling apart?
Josh Hamilton is not winning and the pitchers have an award called the Cy Young. No reason to give the MVP to a pitcher when Cabrera had a season like that, would defeat the purpose of the award. Also they need to have rookie pitcher and rookie hitter of the year. If Austin Jackson an every day player who scored 100 runs and hit .300 loses to a closer I'm gonna be :goodposting:
I'm just saying there hasn't been much Cabrera buzz lately. Probably because the focus has been on the AL Cy Young. CC has been a huge stop-gap for the Yankees this year.
In half of Sabathia's starts, the Yankees scored 6 or more runs. Not surprisingly, he was 12-0 in those 16 starts. He actually pitched worse when his team only scored 0-2 runs (had an ERA of 3.60). From looking at his game logs, it seems that he stopped two, 2 game losing streaks with a win, but he also continued 3 or 4 losing streaks throughout the year. He certainly should be the top 3 in Cy Young, for he had a fantastic year, but this whole stop-gap thing is a fallacy.
Yanks have only had two 4 game losing streaks
 
Interesting AL MVP development.

Any thoughts on CC for AL MVP since the hitters are literally falling apart?
Josh Hamilton is not winning and the pitchers have an award called the Cy Young. No reason to give the MVP to a pitcher when Cabrera had a season like that, would defeat the purpose of the award. Also they need to have rookie pitcher and rookie hitter of the year. If Austin Jackson an every day player who scored 100 runs and hit .300 loses to a closer I'm gonna be :thumbdown:
I'm just saying there hasn't been much Cabrera buzz lately. Probably because the focus has been on the AL Cy Young. CC has been a huge stop-gap for the Yankees this year.
In half of Sabathia's starts, the Yankees scored 6 or more runs. Not surprisingly, he was 12-0 in those 16 starts. He actually pitched worse when his team only scored 0-2 runs (had an ERA of 3.60). From looking at his game logs, it seems that he stopped two, 2 game losing streaks with a win, but he also continued 3 or 4 losing streaks throughout the year. He certainly should be the top 3 in Cy Young, for he had a fantastic year, but this whole stop-gap thing is a fallacy.
Yanks have only had two 4 game losing streaks
I know. And Sabathia pitched in the middle of both those streaks. He pitched fantastically in one, and got a no decision, and pitched horrifically in the other.Maybe I am confusing the term stop-gap in the OP's sense. I was taking it to mean that he pitched really well and stopped the bleeding during rough stretches of the year. I'm just not seeing that.

But again, he pitched awesomely this year and very well may win the Cy Young.

 
Awards in order of votes. This should be pretty close to a prefect bracket

AL

MVP - Hamilton, Miggy, Bautista, Beltre, Cano

Cy - Price, Felix, CC, Lester, Buchholz

Rook - Feliz, Jackson, Boesch,

NL

MVP - Pujols, CarGo, Votto, A Gonzalez, Tulowitzki

Cy - Halladay, Wainwright, Ubaldo, J. Johnson, Latos

Rook - Jamie Garcia, Posey, Heyward

My take

MVP - Really torn between Miguel and Hamilton. Miguel's season was one for the books. His best season to date which is scary considering the monsters he's put up in the past. He will finish his career considered one of the top 10 offensive players to play the game. The downside here is his fielding. While not atrocious by any means he's very average. He also doesn't bring any speed to the table making him a one-dimensional player. However that one dimension is mind bottling. I think his lack of fielding and speed is just barely enough to allow this award to go to Hamilton - The feel good story.

Hamilton is a beast with a great combination of average and power....not to mention he's deceptively speedy and an above average fielder with a cannon arm. Love how he charges it with reckless abandon. If he wins he's deserving.

Now Bautisa hit a thousand home runs and singlehandedly kept the Jays out of the basement. The problem? He plays for the Jays and although his OBP was 10th in the league hia average was in the basement. Like wins, AVG is considered too heavily with this award. I still don't understand how the view on these categories has not changed.

Cano and Beltre both had monster seasons. I would consider both of them Dark horses to win. Would be no different than when Pedroia took the award. I actually think both of these guys would be as deserving or more deserving than Pedroia was.

Sin Soo Choo will also grab a few votes.

There's a decent chance CC will grab the Cy....he won 20 games and he's a Yankee. He does not deserve to win. Felix leads in just about every major category that matters with the exception of wins. He had an unbelievable season. He deserves the award. Problem is he chalked up 13 wins and that's just not enough to get it done. He was more dominating than any other pitcher.

I think Price wins this. He's big. He's bad. He had a monstrous season and I think there's still an element residing in people's heads that the Rays are the little guys.

Lester also had a great season as well as Buchholz. Lester has turned into a strikeout machine and is going deeper into games now that he's found control. I don't think he has a shot at ending up any better than 3rd in voting. Buchholz had a big season. Had he not missed that chunk of games he'd be in a better position. If you really look at his numbers, something doesn't add up, but they are what they are.

Others getting votes: C. Lee, Soriano, Pavano, Verlander, Greinke

I'd give more takes but I'm tired of typing right now.

 
NLMVP - Pujols, CarGo, Votto, A Gonzalez, Tulowitzki
I think there is just slightly more than a zero chance that the writers do not give the NL MVP to Votto. He had a higher BA, OBP and SLG, finishing 2nd, 1st and 1st respectively in those categories. He didn't have as many HR or RBI as Pujols, but I think the whole Reds going to the playoffs thing is enough of a feel good story to vault him to first place on most ballots.
 
I'd be shocked if Hernandez doesn't win the ALCY. I think enough voters have figured some of these things out.

Rooting for Price though.

 

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