2010 Dynasty Rankings- QB (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

When creating my rankings, I look at performance, team situation, age.

The ages of the vets listed below are taken from Sons of the Tundra blog, thanks to F&L.

I try to rank every player I feel is relevant. The way I judge this is by considering if the player is worthy of a roster spot in my leagues.

1. Drew Brees, NO 31.6

2. Aaron Rodgers, GB 26.8

3. Peyton Manning, Ind 34.5

4. Tom Brady, NE 33.1

5. Tony Romo, Dal 30.4

6. Philip Rivers, SD 28.8

7. Matt Ryan, Atl 25.3

8. Matt Schaub, Hou 29.2

9. Jay Cutler, Chi 27.3

10. Ben Roethlisberger, Pit 28.5

11. Matt Stafford, Det 22.6

12. Joe Flacco, Bal 25.7

13. Donovan McNabb, Phi 33.7

14. Mark Sanchez, NYJ 23.9

15. Carson Palmer, Cin 30.7

16. Sam Bradford, ROOKIE 22.10

17. Eli Manning, NYG 29.6

18. Kevin Kolb, Phi 26.

19. Jimmy Clausen, ROOKIE 23.

20. Chad Henne, Mia 25.2

21. Vince Young, Ten 27.3

22. Matt Leinart, Arz 27.3

23. Josh Freeman, TB 22.7

24. Matt Cassel, KC 27.3

25. Colt McCoy, ROOKIE 24.

26. Kyle Orton, Den 27.8

27. Brady Quinn, Cle 25.9

28. Alex Smith, SF 26.3

29. Michael Vick, Phi 30.2

30. Matt Hasselbeck, Sea 30.5

31. David Garrard, Jax 32.5

32. Tim Tebow, ROOKIE 23.1

33. Marc Bulger, StL 33.4

34. Jason Campbell, Wash 28.7

35. JaMarcus Russell, Oak 25.1

36. Matt Moore, Car 26.1

37. Tony Pike, ROOKIE 24.6

38. Nate Davis, SF 23.3

39. Jevan Snead, 23.

40. Tent Edwards, Buf 26.9

41. Sage Rosenfels, Min 32.5

42. Derek Anderson, Cle 27.2

43. Tarvaris Jackson, Min 27.4

44. Stephen McGee, 24.9

45. Brian Hoyer, NE 25

46. Jake Delhomme, Car 35.6

47. Chad Pennington, Mia 34.2

48. Bruce Gradkowski, 27.7 Oak

49. Matt Flynn, GB 25.3

50. Bruce Ratliff, Cle 25.1

51. Pat White, Mia 24.6

52. Dan Orlovsky, Hou 27.1

53. Brian Brohm, Buf 25

54. Tom Brandstater, Den 25.9

55. Shaun Hill, SF 30.7

56. Mike Teel, Sea 24.9

57. Ryan Fitzpatrick, BUF 27.8

58. Craig Null, StL 25

59. Kellen Clemens, NYJ 27.3

60. Daunte Culpepper, Det 33.7

 

[Achilles]

Great post!

Where is Brett Favre?

When creating my rankings, I look at performance, team situation, age.

The ages of the vets listed below are taken from Sons of the Tundra blog, thanks to F&L.

I try to rank every player I feel is relevant. The way I judge this is by considering if the player is worthy of a roster spot in my leagues.

1. Drew Brees, NO 31.6

2. Aaron Rodgers, GB 26.8

3. Peyton Manning, Ind 34.5

4. Tom Brady, NE 33.1

5. Tony Romo, Dal 30.4

6. Philip Rivers, SD 28.8

7. Matt Ryan, Atl 25.3

8. Matt Schaub, Hou 29.2

9. Jay Cutler, Chi 27.3

10. Ben Roethlisberger, Pit 28.5

11. Matt Stafford, Det 22.6

12. Joe Flacco, Bal 25.7

13. Donovan McNabb, Phi 33.7

14. Mark Sanchez, NYJ 23.9

15. Carson Palmer, Cin 30.7

16. Sam Bradford, ROOKIE 22.10

17. Eli Manning, NYG 29.6

18. Kevin Kolb, Phi 26.

19. Jimmy Clausen, ROOKIE 23.

20. Chad Henne, Mia 25.2

21. Vince Young, Ten 27.3

22. Matt Leinart, Arz 27.3

23. Josh Freeman, TB 22.7

24. Matt Cassel, KC 27.3

25. Colt McCoy, ROOKIE 24.

26. Kyle Orton, Den 27.8

27. Brady Quinn, Cle 25.9

28. Alex Smith, SF 26.3

29. Michael Vick, Phi 30.2

30. Matt Hasselbeck, Sea 30.5

31. David Garrard, Jax 32.5

32. Tim Tebow, ROOKIE 23.1

33. Marc Bulger, StL 33.4

34. Jason Campbell, Wash 28.7

35. JaMarcus Russell, Oak 25.1

36. Matt Moore, Car 26.1

37. Tony Pike, ROOKIE 24.6

38. Nate Davis, SF 23.3

39. Jevan Snead, 23.

40. Tent Edwards, Buf 26.9

41. Sage Rosenfels, Min 32.5

42. Derek Anderson, Cle 27.2

43. Tarvaris Jackson, Min 27.4

44. Stephen McGee, 24.9

45. Brian Hoyer, NE 25

46. Jake Delhomme, Car 35.6

47. Chad Pennington, Mia 34.2

48. Bruce Gradkowski, 27.7 Oak

49. Matt Flynn, GB 25.3

50. Bruce Ratliff, Cle 25.1

51. Pat White, Mia 24.6

52. Dan Orlovsky, Hou 27.1

53. Brian Brohm, Buf 25

54. Tom Brandstater, Den 25.9

55. Shaun Hill, SF 30.7

56. Mike Teel, Sea 24.9

57. Ryan Fitzpatrick, BUF 27.8

58. Craig Null, StL 25

59. Kellen Clemens, NYJ 27.3

60. Daunte Culpepper, Det 33.7

 

[footballsavvy]

When creating my rankings, I look at performance, team situation, age.

The ages of the vets listed below are taken from Sons of the Tundra blog, thanks to F&L.

I try to rank every player I feel is relevant. The way I judge this is by considering if the player is worthy of a roster spot in my leagues.

1. Drew Brees, NO 31.6

2. Aaron Rodgers, GB 26.8

3. Peyton Manning, Ind 34.5

4. Tom Brady, NE 33.1

5. Tony Romo, Dal 30.4

6. Philip Rivers, SD 28.8

7. Matt Ryan, Atl 25.3

8. Matt Schaub, Hou 29.2

9. Jay Cutler, Chi 27.3

10. Ben Roethlisberger, Pit 28.5

11. Matt Stafford, Det 22.6

12. Joe Flacco, Bal 25.7

13. Donovan McNabb, Phi 33.7

14. Mark Sanchez, NYJ 23.9

15. Carson Palmer, Cin 30.7

16. Sam Bradford, ROOKIE 22.10

17. Eli Manning, NYG 29.6

18. Kevin Kolb, Phi 26.

19. Jimmy Clausen, ROOKIE 23.

20. Chad Henne, Mia 25.2

21. Vince Young, Ten 27.3

22. Matt Leinart, Arz 27.3

23. Josh Freeman, TB 22.7

24. Matt Cassel, KC 27.3

25. Colt McCoy, ROOKIE 24.

26. Kyle Orton, Den 27.8

27. Brady Quinn, Cle 25.9

28. Alex Smith, SF 26.3

29. Michael Vick, Phi 30.2

30. Matt Hasselbeck, Sea 30.5

31. David Garrard, Jax 32.5

32. Tim Tebow, ROOKIE 23.1

33. Marc Bulger, StL 33.4

34. Jason Campbell, Wash 28.7

35. JaMarcus Russell, Oak 25.1

36. Matt Moore, Car 26.1

37. Tony Pike, ROOKIE 24.6

38. Nate Davis, SF 23.3

39. Jevan Snead, 23.

40. Tent Edwards, Buf 26.9

41. Sage Rosenfels, Min 32.5

42. Derek Anderson, Cle 27.2

43. Tarvaris Jackson, Min 27.4

44. Stephen McGee, 24.9

45. Brian Hoyer, NE 25

46. Jake Delhomme, Car 35.6

47. Chad Pennington, Mia 34.2

48. Bruce Gradkowski, 27.7 Oak

49. Matt Flynn, GB 25.3

50. Bruce Ratliff, Cle 25.1

51. Pat White, Mia 24.6

52. Dan Orlovsky, Hou 27.1

53. Brian Brohm, Buf 25

54. Tom Brandstater, Den 25.9

55. Shaun Hill, SF 30.7

56. Mike Teel, Sea 24.9

57. Ryan Fitzpatrick, BUF 27.8

58. Craig Null, StL 25

59. Kellen Clemens, NYJ 27.3

60. Daunte Culpepper, Det 33.7

 

[footballsavvy]

I think you have Moore and Gradowski ranked way too low. They are at least top 25 in Dynasty IMO.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Hasselbeck's age is wrong

 

[jeter23]

Great post!Where is Brett Favre?

I included him in my original rankings, but left him out with the assumption that he will retire (for good). If I ranked him now, it would be based on the risk that he could retire. I would place him at 27 right now.

 

[jeter23]

I think you have Moore and Gradowski ranked way too low. They are at least top 25 in Dynasty IMO.

Thanks for the response savvy. Do you think Moore has the job locked for 2010? I am not sure what to think of Gradkowski. I liked what I saw, but the injury hurt his chances to be the starter, not to mention Al's constant desire to make a splash.

 

[sports_fan]

Why do you have Sage Rosenfels ranked higher then T-Jack?

Jackson beat him out for the backup position behind Favre this season and there was never much debate. Rosenfels never saw the field. Also, Jackson is 5 years younger.

 

[Bandite]

"1. Drew Brees, NO 31.6

2. Aaron Rodgers, GB 26.8

3. Peyton Manning, Ind 34.5

4. Tom Brady, NE 33.1

5. Tony Romo, Dal 30.4

6. Philip Rivers, SD 28.8

7. Matt Ryan, Atl 25.3

8. Matt Schaub, Hou 29.2

9. Jay Cutler, Chi 27.3

10. Ben Roethlisberger, Pit 28.5"

First off Great post. I did have a few opinions to add.

I thought it was interesting you put Cutler and Ryan both above Big Ben who just put up an outstanding season. Was age a factor?

I also thought about Romo over Rivers and I was torn, I think the top 6 are all a matter of preference. My personal top 10 would look like this:

1. Brees

2. Rogers

3. Manning

4. Rivers

5. Romo

6. Brady

7. Schuab

8. Rothlisberger

9. Ryan

10. Cutler

Kinda word about the Golden Boy T-Brady, he looked dismal at points this season.

 

[Bandite]

Why do you have Sage Rosenfels ranked higher then T-Jack?Jackson beat him out for the backup position behind Favre this season and there was never much debate. Rosenfels never saw the field. Also, Jackson is 5 years younger.

Tjax is a restricted free agent this yr while Sage is undercontract for I think 3 more years?Either way, it will be open competiton if Favre doesnt return. I would bet he comes back for 1 more yr personally.

 

[Bandite]

"Kolb- 18 and Vick 28"

Intersting idea putting Kolb top 20, is that under the assumption either he or McNabb are moved? Better yet the eagles will most likley move 2 QBs this offseason.

Besides St Louis, have you heard any other possible landing spots for Vick? Buffalo? Oakland?

Also, I wonder what Josh-Mcscrew up will do in Denver. Is orton back 1 more yr? Rookie QB? How about Vick?

 

[footballsavvy]

I would think Kolb is easily a top 20 if he is the starting QB of the Andy Reid Eagles. Whether or not that will happen (and when) is the main factor to consider.

 

[RockHard]

If I owned Brady I would be trying to unload him now. This season he played on a pass oriented offense with arguably the second greatest receiver of all time and a pro bowl caliber second receiver yet was out scored by Romo & Schaub. He'll be 33 next season without Welker to start the year, I dont see him matching last seasons production.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

When creating my rankings, I look at performance, team situation, age.

The ages of the vets listed below are taken from Sons of the Tundra blog, thanks to F&L.

I try to rank every player I feel is relevant. The way I judge this is by considering if the player is worthy of a roster spot in my leagues.

7. Matt Ryan, Atl 25.3

12. Joe Flacco, Bal 25.7

I would like to hear your thinking on these two. I always see Ryan consistently ranked higher than Flacco, but I don't get why. They are the same age

Same experience level

Nearly the same level of fantasy production over the last two years (Ryan better year 1, Flacco better year 2)

So a lot of similarities between these two. The main difference to me, has been surrounding cast. Ryan has had two years of Turner and R. White, and a year of Gonzalez. Flacco has had one year of Ray Rice, and two years of solid but over the hill Mason. I have to think any objective observer would take Atlanta's offensive talent over Baltimore's.

Is most of this just based on watching the two QB's and coming away with the fact that Ryan is simply a better QB? I don't see that myself but I can understand if that is a gut call for most.

I am interested to see what happens in the offseason in Baltimore. If Baltimore gets their hands on a Marshall, Boldin, Dez Bryant, etc type of receiver, I think Flacco's value rises considerably.

Thoughts?

 

[thatguy]

"Kolb- 18 and Vick 28"

Intersting idea putting Kolb top 20, is that under the assumption either he or McNabb are moved? Better yet the eagles will most likley move 2 QBs this offseason.

Besides St Louis, have you heard any other possible landing spots for Vick? Buffalo? Oakland?

Also, I wonder what Josh-Mcscrew up will do in Denver. Is orton back 1 more yr? Rookie QB? How about Vick?

I don't see this happening. Vick is not at all suited for what McD is trying to do with Denver's offense. Neither is McNabb for that matter (although I've been hearing his name a lot on local sports talk radio). I definitely think Denver will draft a QB, although I doubt they use an early pick on one. I think McD is likely content with riding Orton for at least another year while grooming a young QB to eventually take his place.

 

[LHUCKS]

Lookee here, all of a sudden Leinart is on everyone's list.

 

[jeter23]

Why do you have Sage Rosenfels ranked higher then T-Jack?Jackson beat him out for the backup position behind Favre this season and there was never much debate. Rosenfels never saw the field. Also, Jackson is 5 years younger.

As someone else said, Jackson is a FA, and I don't think he has shown enough to earn much of a contract. He could be back with the team, but I certainly don't think he will be handed the job if Favre does hang it up.

 

[jeter23]

First off Great post. I did have a few opinions to add. I thought it was interesting you put Cutler and Ryan both above Big Ben who just put up an outstanding season. Was age a factor?Kinda word about the Golden Boy T-Brady, he looked dismal at points this season.

With Ben, age was a small factor, but I view Ben as an inconsistent fantasy option. He has finished as a top 10 QB twice in his career. I think Pitt became more of a passing team this year out of necessity. If Mendy becomes a more reliable runner, they could easily go back to being a run first team. Don't get me wrong, I still like Roethlisberger, I just like Cutler more.

 

[jeter23]

When creating my rankings, I look at performance, team situation, age.

The ages of the vets listed below are taken from Sons of the Tundra blog, thanks to F&L.

I try to rank every player I feel is relevant. The way I judge this is by considering if the player is worthy of a roster spot in my leagues.

7. Matt Ryan, Atl 25.3

12. Joe Flacco, Bal 25.7

I would like to hear your thinking on these two. I always see Ryan consistently ranked higher than Flacco, but I don't get why. They are the same age

Same experience level

Nearly the same level of fantasy production over the last two years (Ryan better year 1, Flacco better year 2)

So a lot of similarities between these two. The main difference to me, has been surrounding cast. Ryan has had two years of Turner and R. White, and a year of Gonzalez. Flacco has had one year of Ray Rice, and two years of solid but over the hill Mason. I have to think any objective observer would take Atlanta's offensive talent over Baltimore's.

Is most of this just based on watching the two QB's and coming away with the fact that Ryan is simply a better QB? I don't see that myself but I can understand if that is a gut call for most.

I am interested to see what happens in the offseason in Baltimore. If Baltimore gets their hands on a Marshall, Boldin, Dez Bryant, etc type of receiver, I think Flacco's value rises considerably.

Thoughts?

Honestly, I don't have a good answer for you. It almost feels like a preseason college football poll. Ryan was ranked higher initially, he was a higher pick than Flacco, etc. He has done nothing to lower his ranking. I have both in different leagues and I would not trade Ryan for Flacco, if I had the chance.The supporting cast has to play a role in the rankings though.

 

[jeter23]

Lookee here, all of a sudden Leinart is on everyone's list.

Seriously? He's at 22. I bumped him a whole 2 spots after yesterday's announcement. If he finishes 2010 as QB22 (low end #2 in FF) would you feel vindicated?

 

[bonesman]

Lookee here, all of a sudden Leinart is on everyone's list.

Yea... in that studsville known as a poor QB2

 

[karmarooster]

as a Schaub dynasty owner, i'm often unsure as to why he isn't ranked higher. he finished third in my league this past year.

according to all accounts, he was very effective but injured in 2006 and 2007. very effective, as in top 5 ppg. i do not view him as a perpetual injury risk, only that such injuries are random. in 2008 he stayed healthy the whole year and threw for 4700 yards, and as predicted, finished in the top 5.

he has arguably the most dominate WR in the league (basically a tie with Fitz) who is playing in his prime. he either younger than or has better offensive weapons than most above him.

I would not trade him straight up for anyone besides Rodgers and Brees. This includes Manning and Brady due to age. Romo, Rivers, and Ryan due to quality of weapons.

I understand that most of these guys are more desirable as franchise QBs in real life, they are more likely to win games in the last 2 minutes, playoff games and superbowls, but this is fantasy football and its all about regular season production.

To those who support Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Manning or Brady ahead of Schaub, why?

 

[FUBAR]

Great stuff, the following is only mild disagreement:

8. Matt Schaub, Hou 29.2 I have Schaub #5

20. Chad Henne, Mia 25.2 I'm taking Henne right after Flacco, top 15

24. Matt Cassel, KC 27.3 Probably the right ranking but I'll be happy with him as part of my QBBC the next couple years

The rest is almost a crapshoot, I like Nate Davis but he's a risk/reward.

 

[Getinthemix]

I can't believe that Clausen is 23. He came out as a junior. Apparently he was 19 when he left HS?

EDIT: According to Wiki he started KG at 6 and repeated the sixth grade. That explains his age. I really though he was two years younger.

 

[jeter23]

I can't believe that Clausen is 23. He came out as a junior. Apparently he was 19 when he left HS?EDIT: According to Wiki he started KG at 6 and repeated the sixth grade. That explains his age. I really though he was two years younger.

It seems like a lot of families that are really focused on sports will have their child repeat a grade (whether it is needed or not).

 

[Getinthemix]

I can't believe that Clausen is 23. He came out as a junior. Apparently he was 19 when he left HS?EDIT: According to Wiki he started KG at 6 and repeated the sixth grade. That explains his age. I really though he was two years younger.

It seems like a lot of families that are really focused on sports will have their child repeat a grade (whether it is needed or not).

Yeah I guess I just assumed he was 21, as he was coming out as a junior. His birthday is in September, so he was quite old in HS. Just really surprised me. Given that, one would think he would have been a little more mature coming out of HS, but when you the king, I guess things get turned upside down a bit.

 

[RC94]

Lookee here, all of a sudden Leinart is on everyone's list.

Seriously? He's at 22. I bumped him a whole 2 spots after yesterday's announcement. If he finishes 2010 as QB22 (low end #2 in FF) would you feel vindicated?

 

[Not Sure]

Lookee here, all of a sudden Leinart is on everyone's list.

You are celebrating your boy being listed as a low level backup QB? Really?

 

[Catbird]

Lookee here, all of a sudden Leinart is on everyone's list.

You are celebrating your boy being listed as a low level backup QB? Really?

First that you would think a #22 rating is a good thing for a guy you claim to be the next QB star, who is already in his absolute prime and perfect position: 27 year old QB in dynasty with arguably the best receiving group in football. And also funny that you think you are the only Leinart believer in the world. They are a small percentage, but there are still a lot of them out there. Your desire to hold yourself out as the lone ranger is equally ridiculous. But I will agree this ranking is Leinart's greatest NFL accomplishment to date.

 

[sports_fan]

Why do you have Sage Rosenfels ranked higher then T-Jack?Jackson beat him out for the backup position behind Favre this season and there was never much debate. Rosenfels never saw the field. Also, Jackson is 5 years younger.

As someone else said, Jackson is a FA, and I don't think he has shown enough to earn much of a contract. He could be back with the team, but I certainly don't think he will be handed the job if Favre does hang it up.

I understand this, but the fact that Jackson was able to beat out Rosenfels when they were directly competing for the backup position leads me to believe he was the better QB. While Jackson to date hasn't looked like a good NFL QB, Rosenfels hasn't been better.I expect Jackson to be back with the Vikings next year. A year of learning under one of the great QBs in the history of the game can do a lot for a young QB. The Vikings understand this.The only way Rosenfels starts next year is if (1) Favre retires for good and (2) Jackson signs with another team.And Jackson is still 5 years younger than Rosenfels.

 

[jeter23]

Why do you have Sage Rosenfels ranked higher then T-Jack?Jackson beat him out for the backup position behind Favre this season and there was never much debate. Rosenfels never saw the field. Also, Jackson is 5 years younger.

As someone else said, Jackson is a FA, and I don't think he has shown enough to earn much of a contract. He could be back with the team, but I certainly don't think he will be handed the job if Favre does hang it up.

I understand this, but the fact that Jackson was able to beat out Rosenfels when they were directly competing for the backup position leads me to believe he was the better QB. While Jackson to date hasn't looked like a good NFL QB, Rosenfels hasn't been better.I expect Jackson to be back with the Vikings next year. A year of learning under one of the great QBs in the history of the game can do a lot for a young QB. The Vikings understand this.The only way Rosenfels starts next year is if (1) Favre retires for good and (2) Jackson signs with another team.And Jackson is still 5 years younger than Rosenfels.

Jackson has just never impressed me. Realistically, I doubt either guy is a starter for Minny or any other team next year. The Vikings are contenders depending on their QB play and I don't see them making the same mistake they did 2 years ago. ANyone outside of the top 40 are very iffy to say the least.

 

[Spike]

as a Schaub dynasty owner, i'm often unsure as to why he isn't ranked higher. he finished third in my league this past year.

according to all accounts, he was very effective but injured in 2006 and 2007. very effective, as in top 5 ppg. i do not view him as a perpetual injury risk, only that such injuries are random. in 2008 he stayed healthy the whole year and threw for 4700 yards, and as predicted, finished in the top 5.

he has arguably the most dominate WR in the league (basically a tie with Fitz) who is playing in his prime. he either younger than or has better offensive weapons than most above him.

I would not trade him straight up for anyone besides Rodgers and Brees. This includes Manning and Brady due to age. Romo, Rivers, and Ryan due to quality of weapons.

I understand that most of these guys are more desirable as franchise QBs in real life, they are more likely to win games in the last 2 minutes, playoff games and superbowls, but this is fantasy football and its all about regular season production.

To those who support Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Manning or Brady ahead of Schaub, why?

dominant

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

Good list. Biggest disagreement I have is Henne, I think he should be much higher.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

Good list. Biggest disagreement I have is Henne, I think he should be much higher.

 

[Tau837]

as a Schaub dynasty owner, i'm often unsure as to why he isn't ranked higher. he finished third in my league this past year.according to all accounts, he was very effective but injured in 2006 and 2007. very effective, as in top 5 ppg. i do not view him as a perpetual injury risk, only that such injuries are random. in 2008 he stayed healthy the whole year and threw for 4700 yards, and as predicted, finished in the top 5. he has arguably the most dominate WR in the league (basically a tie with Fitz) who is playing in his prime. he either younger than or has better offensive weapons than most above him.I would not trade him straight up for anyone besides Rodgers and Brees. This includes Manning and Brady due to age. Romo, Rivers, and Ryan due to quality of weapons. I understand that most of these guys are more desirable as franchise QBs in real life, they are more likely to win games in the last 2 minutes, playoff games and superbowls, but this is fantasy football and its all about regular season production. To those who support Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Manning or Brady ahead of Schaub, why?

Schaub finished #5 in the league this year in FBG scoring; prior to this season, his best finish was #21 in 2008. Whereas Rivers has finished in the top 8 in 3 of 4 seasons as a starter, and Romo has finished in the top 9 for the past 3 seasons. I realize you might not look at it this way (e.g., you might prefer ppg), but some would look at it like Schaub needing to prove that he can do it more than once, which Rivers and Romo have done.As for Ryan, I'm not sure why anyone would rank him above Schaub. As for Manning and Brady, they have been elite QBs for years, and people are not yet discounting them for age.

 

[karmarooster]

as a Schaub dynasty owner, i'm often unsure as to why he isn't ranked higher. he finished third in my league this past year.according to all accounts, he was very effective but injured in 2006 and 2007. very effective, as in top 5 ppg. i do not view him as a perpetual injury risk, only that such injuries are random. in 2008 he stayed healthy the whole year and threw for 4700 yards, and as predicted, finished in the top 5. he has arguably the most dominate WR in the league (basically a tie with Fitz) who is playing in his prime. he either younger than or has better offensive weapons than most above him.I would not trade him straight up for anyone besides Rodgers and Brees. This includes Manning and Brady due to age. Romo, Rivers, and Ryan due to quality of weapons. I understand that most of these guys are more desirable as franchise QBs in real life, they are more likely to win games in the last 2 minutes, playoff games and superbowls, but this is fantasy football and its all about regular season production. To those who support Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Manning or Brady ahead of Schaub, why?

Schaub finished #5 in the league this year in FBG scoring; prior to this season, his best finish was #21 in 2008. Whereas Rivers has finished in the top 8 in 3 of 4 seasons as a starter, and Romo has finished in the top 9 for the past 3 seasons. I realize you might not look at it this way (e.g., you might prefer ppg), but some would look at it like Schaub needing to prove that he can do it more than once, which Rivers and Romo have done.As for Ryan, I'm not sure why anyone would rank him above Schaub. As for Manning and Brady, they have been elite QBs for years, and people are not yet discounting them for age.

Well i went and looked it up. fantasy points per game in career starts.romo - 55 career starts, 24.3 ppg *includes monster 2007schaub - 40, 21.9rivers - 64, 20.6ryan - 30, 17.6also here are some other points per game.2009rodgers - 24.4brees - 21.5schaub - 21.2manning - 21romo - 20.3brady - 20.2 *post surgery2008brees - 23rivers - 20.3romo - 19.3schaub - 19.2 *11 starts, includes vikings game when he took a hit to the knee from jared allen and missed half the gamemanning - 18.9 *post surgeryschaub vs. rivers goes way back.

 

[Max Power]

I think Jason Campbell at 34 is too low. He is listed behind several guys who are past their prime, several unproven players and vick who isn't even a starting caliber QB.

I think his value is going to jump this offseason. I only see about 3 scenarios playing out with him. He A) gets brought back to be the starting QB for the Skins. B) Gets picked up in Free agency by a team needing a starting QB or a QB competition. Cleveland, Carolina, Arizona, STL, Buffalo, Oakland, Seattle. (several of these options would increase his value) or C) Skins resign him and draft a QB early. This is obviously the worse option, but I don't see the Skins shelling out money to FA QB, just to draft one in the first round or two.

Campbell was a high end #2 QB this year. Finished 14th in my league...so the whole 34 ranking seems out of place to me.

 

[Max Power]

I think Jason Campbell at 34 is too low. He is listed behind several guys who are past their prime, several unproven players and vick who isn't even a starting caliber QB.

I think his value is going to jump this offseason. I only see about 3 scenarios playing out with him. He A) gets brought back to be the starting QB for the Skins. B) Gets picked up in Free agency by a team needing a starting QB or a QB competition. Cleveland, Carolina, Arizona, STL, Buffalo, Oakland, Seattle. (several of these options would increase his value) or C) Skins resign him and draft a QB early. This is obviously the worse option, but I don't see the Skins shelling out money to FA QB, just to draft one in the first round or two.

Campbell was a high end #2 QB this year. Finished 14th in my league...so the whole 34 ranking seems out of place to me.

 

[Max Power]

I think Jason Campbell at 34 is too low. He is listed behind several guys who are past their prime, several unproven players and vick who isn't even a starting caliber QB.

I think his value is going to jump this offseason. I only see about 3 scenarios playing out with him. He A) gets brought back to be the starting QB for the Skins. B) Gets picked up in Free agency by a team needing a starting QB or a QB competition. Cleveland, Carolina, Arizona, STL, Buffalo, Oakland, Seattle. (several of these options would increase his value) or C) Skins resign him and draft a QB early. This is obviously the worse option, but I don't see the Skins shelling out money to FA QB, just to draft one in the first round or two.

Campbell was a high end #2 QB this year. Finished 14th in my league...so the whole 34 ranking seems out of place to me.

 

[Max Power]

I think Jason Campbell at 34 is too low. He is listed behind several guys who are past their prime, several unproven players and vick who isn't even a starting caliber QB.

I think his value is going to jump this offseason. I only see about 3 scenarios playing out with him. He A) gets brought back to be the starting QB for the Skins. B) Gets picked up in Free agency by a team needing a starting QB or a QB competition. Cleveland, Carolina, Arizona, STL, Buffalo, Oakland, Seattle. (several of these options would increase his value) or C) Skins resign him and draft a QB early. This is obviously the worse option, but I don't see the Skins shelling out money to FA QB, just to draft one in the first round or two.

Campbell was a high end #2 QB this year. Finished 14th in my league...so the whole 34 ranking seems out of place to me.

 

[Max Power]

I think Jason Campbell at 34 is too low. He is listed behind several guys who are past their prime, several unproven players and vick who isn't even a starting caliber QB.

I think his value is going to jump this offseason. I only see about 3 scenarios playing out with him. He A) gets brought back to be the starting QB for the Skins. B) Gets picked up in Free agency by a team needing a starting QB or a QB competition. Cleveland, Carolina, Arizona, STL, Buffalo, Oakland, Seattle. (several of these options would increase his value) or C) Skins resign him and draft a QB early. This is obviously the worse option, but I don't see the Skins shelling out money to FA QB, just to draft one in the first round or two.

Campbell was a high end #2 QB this year. Finished 14th in my league...so the whole 34 ranking seems out of place to me.

 

[fsufan]

you only have to hit add reply once

 

[BobbyLayne]

Dan Lefevour should be on that list.

 

[jeter23]

Dan Lefevour should be on that list.

Good point BL, I will add him next time

 

[Tau837]

as a Schaub dynasty owner, i'm often unsure as to why he isn't ranked higher. he finished third in my league this past year.according to all accounts, he was very effective but injured in 2006 and 2007. very effective, as in top 5 ppg. i do not view him as a perpetual injury risk, only that such injuries are random. in 2008 he stayed healthy the whole year and threw for 4700 yards, and as predicted, finished in the top 5. he has arguably the most dominate WR in the league (basically a tie with Fitz) who is playing in his prime. he either younger than or has better offensive weapons than most above him.I would not trade him straight up for anyone besides Rodgers and Brees. This includes Manning and Brady due to age. Romo, Rivers, and Ryan due to quality of weapons. I understand that most of these guys are more desirable as franchise QBs in real life, they are more likely to win games in the last 2 minutes, playoff games and superbowls, but this is fantasy football and its all about regular season production. To those who support Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Manning or Brady ahead of Schaub, why?

Schaub finished #5 in the league this year in FBG scoring; prior to this season, his best finish was #21 in 2008. Whereas Rivers has finished in the top 8 in 3 of 4 seasons as a starter, and Romo has finished in the top 9 for the past 3 seasons. I realize you might not look at it this way (e.g., you might prefer ppg), but some would look at it like Schaub needing to prove that he can do it more than once, which Rivers and Romo have done.As for Ryan, I'm not sure why anyone would rank him above Schaub. As for Manning and Brady, they have been elite QBs for years, and people are not yet discounting them for age.

Well i went and looked it up. fantasy points per game in career starts.romo - 55 career starts, 24.3 ppg *includes monster 2007schaub - 40, 21.9rivers - 64, 20.6ryan - 30, 17.6also here are some other points per game.2009rodgers - 24.4brees - 21.5schaub - 21.2manning - 21romo - 20.3brady - 20.2 *post surgery2008brees - 23rivers - 20.3romo - 19.3schaub - 19.2 *11 starts, includes vikings game when he took a hit to the knee from jared allen and missed half the gamemanning - 18.9 *post surgeryschaub vs. rivers goes way back.

I'm not really sure what point you are making here. I wasn't seeking to argue with you so much as answer your question about why I suspected some people would rank various QBs higher than Schaub. Just looking at the career numbers I'd definitely take Rivers over Schaub... he averages slightly fewer ppg but has never missed a start... so he has given his owners much more fantasy value over the years. The past doesn't predict the future but IMO he is a much lower risk to miss games in the future than Schaub.I'd also definitely take Rodgers, Brees, and Romo over Schaub. I'd have to think about others.

 

[karmarooster]

as a Schaub dynasty owner, i'm often unsure as to why he isn't ranked higher. he finished third in my league this past year.according to all accounts, he was very effective but injured in 2006 and 2007. very effective, as in top 5 ppg. i do not view him as a perpetual injury risk, only that such injuries are random. in 2008 he stayed healthy the whole year and threw for 4700 yards, and as predicted, finished in the top 5. he has arguably the most dominate WR in the league (basically a tie with Fitz) who is playing in his prime. he either younger than or has better offensive weapons than most above him.I would not trade him straight up for anyone besides Rodgers and Brees. This includes Manning and Brady due to age. Romo, Rivers, and Ryan due to quality of weapons. I understand that most of these guys are more desirable as franchise QBs in real life, they are more likely to win games in the last 2 minutes, playoff games and superbowls, but this is fantasy football and its all about regular season production. To those who support Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Manning or Brady ahead of Schaub, why?

Schaub finished #5 in the league this year in FBG scoring; prior to this season, his best finish was #21 in 2008. Whereas Rivers has finished in the top 8 in 3 of 4 seasons as a starter, and Romo has finished in the top 9 for the past 3 seasons. I realize you might not look at it this way (e.g., you might prefer ppg), but some would look at it like Schaub needing to prove that he can do it more than once, which Rivers and Romo have done.As for Ryan, I'm not sure why anyone would rank him above Schaub. As for Manning and Brady, they have been elite QBs for years, and people are not yet discounting them for age.

Well i went and looked it up. fantasy points per game in career starts.romo - 55 career starts, 24.3 ppg *includes monster 2007schaub - 40, 21.9rivers - 64, 20.6ryan - 30, 17.6also here are some other points per game.2009rodgers - 24.4brees - 21.5schaub - 21.2manning - 21romo - 20.3brady - 20.2 *post surgery2008brees - 23rivers - 20.3romo - 19.3schaub - 19.2 *11 starts, includes vikings game when he took a hit to the knee from jared allen and missed half the gamemanning - 18.9 *post surgeryschaub vs. rivers goes way back.

I'm not really sure what point you are making here. I wasn't seeking to argue with you so much as answer your question about why I suspected some people would rank various QBs higher than Schaub. Just looking at the career numbers I'd definitely take Rivers over Schaub... he averages slightly fewer ppg but has never missed a start... so he has given his owners much more fantasy value over the years. The past doesn't predict the future but IMO he is a much lower risk to miss games in the future than Schaub.I'd also definitely take Rodgers, Brees, and Romo over Schaub. I'd have to think about others.

i didn't post for argument's sake, but because you mentioned ppg. it seems clear to me that rodgers and brees are a step ahead of the schaub/rivers/romo crowd. brady and manning are sort of a different category because they are more elite but their age is a factor. the schaub/rivers/romo debate seems close enough that it comes down to personal preference. on one hand, rivers and romo have done it for longer. schaub has a ppg figure that is ever so slightly higher than rivers, but as you said there is value in doing it for 4 straight years. again, i wasn't trying to be argumentative, just throwing out some food for thought.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Hey Max, what do you think about Jason Campbell?

 

[grapeape]

wish Vince Young was higher. I just traded Santana Moss for him in a dynasty league

 

[jeter23]

wish Vince Young was higher. I just traded Santana Moss for him in a dynasty league

Don't worry, Moss won't be very high in the WR version

 

[az_prof]

First off Great post. I did have a few opinions to add. I thought it was interesting you put Cutler and Ryan both above Big Ben who just put up an outstanding season. Was age a factor?Kinda word about the Golden Boy T-Brady, he looked dismal at points this season.

With Ben, age was a small factor, but I view Ben as an inconsistent fantasy option. He has finished as a top 10 QB twice in his career. I think Pitt became more of a passing team this year out of necessity. If Mendy becomes a more reliable runner, they could easily go back to being a run first team. Don't get me wrong, I still like Roethlisberger, I just like Cutler more.

I can see ranking Ben at 10 if you like, and the argument that he has been top ten only twice and that Pitt likes to run if possible is reasonable. However, his age really can't be a factor when you look at the age of so many guys above him. He isn't old for a QB at all.And Cutler ahead of him? That's horrible. Here's the problem with Cutler: if he has another year like this one he could well be out of a starting job, along with his HC. Yes, the Bears wasted alot on him, but you can't play as badly as he did much of last year and keep a starting job in the NFL for long. THAT is a huge risk for anyone paying top ten value to own Cutler.