2010 Dynasty Sleeper - Early Doucet (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Look for Anquan Boldin to take up residence somewhere else next year and Early Doucet to take major strides in the Cardinals offense. He will still be #3 if Boldin leaves, but IMO he has a lot of upside to be a decent #2 someday soon.

ETA: Also, Breaston is a RFA and will want T.J. Houshmandzadeh cash, and IMO I don't think Ariz thinks he's worth it, not with Doucet ready to show what he can do.

 

[Sup_Yo]

I have him rostered in both of my dynasty leagues.

 

[peter griffin]

does Boldin's contract end after this year making him a free agent? Or are you just anticipating a trade by the Cardinals Hoss?

 

[Casting Couch]

does Boldin's contract end after this year making him a free agent? Or are you just anticipating a trade by the Cardinals Hoss?

Boldin is due to make 3 MIL in 2010, a bargain for the Cardinals.I highly doubt he will be moved with such an affordable contract.

 

[mlball77]

Intereting... I'll have to give this some consideration.

Where do we now see Doucet in the mix of 2nd yr WRs that haven't proven much yet? (Ex: Hardy, D Thomas, M Kelly etc.) Is the passing offense in ARI the sole thing that (potentially) separates him in this group??

 

[MAC_32]

Added him a few weeks ago in both of my deep dyno's when I saw he crept ahead of Urban on the depth chart, watched the Cards each week since and the offense is designing plays specifically for him.

Great dynasty stash, he was looked at by some as a potential 1st round prospect before questionable workout numbers and potential health issues surfaced.

 

[peter griffin]

does Boldin's contract end after this year making him a free agent? Or are you just anticipating a trade by the Cardinals Hoss?

Boldin is due to make 3 MIL in 2010, a bargain for the Cardinals.I highly doubt he will be moved with such an affordable contract.

Thanks for the info, I own him in my main dynasty league and while I love his production (when healthy) and watching him play, my biggest fear is seeing him traded to some fantasy wasteland (Chicago, Tampa etc) in the next year, but based on your post it sounds like Boldin will likely remain a Cardinal unless some team offers the farm to the Cardinals this off-season.

 

[MAC_32]

Intereting... I'll have to give this some consideration. Where do we now see Doucet in the mix of 2nd yr WRs that haven't proven much yet? (Ex: Hardy, D Thomas, M Kelly etc.) Is the passing offense in ARI the sole thing that (potentially) separates him in this group??

Ahead of all of them.Kelly's not taking advantage of his opportunity, I've never been a fan of Thomas, and I look at Doucet and Hardy similarly as far as talent is concerned but the potential in Arizona's offense is greater than Buffalo so I give the nod to Doucet. That said, I have taken fliers on both of them in both of my dyno's in the last month.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

does Boldin's contract end after this year making him a free agent? Or are you just anticipating a trade by the Cardinals Hoss?

Boldin is due to make 3 MIL in 2010, a bargain for the Cardinals.I highly doubt he will be moved with such an affordable contract.

Thanks for the info, I own him in my main dynasty league and while I love his production (when healthy) and watching him play, my biggest fear is seeing him traded to some fantasy wasteland (Chicago, Tampa etc) in the next year, but based on your post it sounds like Boldin will likely remain a Cardinal unless some team offers the farm to the Cardinals this off-season.

It's obvious that Boldin is unhappy from his recent comments (more than once), and frankly, I feel the Cardinals would like to trade him for some defensive help, and at the same time get rid of someone they feel doesn't want to play for them.

 

[gianmarco]

Steve Breaston down?

Truthfully, Breaston has current value because of Warner. As each year goes by, the chances of him staying there get slimmer. The only reason the #3 in Arizona does anything is bc of Kurt. Sure, Boldin may be gone next year, but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. Add in what Beanie is showing and that team could see a major shift in offensive philosophy. Sort of a reversed Pittsburgh trend.

Breaston is the guy to buy, IMO, not Doucet.

 

[MAC_32]

does Boldin's contract end after this year making him a free agent? Or are you just anticipating a trade by the Cardinals Hoss?

Boldin is due to make 3 MIL in 2010, a bargain for the Cardinals.I highly doubt he will be moved with such an affordable contract.

Thanks for the info, I own him in my main dynasty league and while I love his production (when healthy) and watching him play, my biggest fear is seeing him traded to some fantasy wasteland (Chicago, Tampa etc) in the next year, but based on your post it sounds like Boldin will likely remain a Cardinal unless some team offers the farm to the Cardinals this off-season.

It's obvious that Boldin is unhappy from his recent comments (more than once), and frankly, I feel the Cardinals would like to trade him for some defensive help, and at the same time get rid of someone they feel doesn't want to play for them.

With their quality depth at WR they can afford to move Boldin too, Boldin's contract isn't just a reason for the Cards to hold onto him, it's also incentive for other teams to trade for him. While a Fitz-Breaston-Doucet corps is going to be a downgrade from a Fitz-Boldin-Breaston corps the upgrades they'll receive should more than offset it, I imagine a win-win deal will be orchestrated sometime in March or April.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Steve Breaston down?

I believe I said in the OP that Doucet would be #3 with potential #2. That means if/when Boldin leaves that Breaston would be their WR #2. Having said that, this thread isn't about Breaston

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Steve Breaston down?Truthfully, Breaston has current value because of Warner. As each year goes by, the chances of him staying there get slimmer. The only reason the #3 in Arizona does anything is bc of Kurt. Sure, Boldin may be gone next year, but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. Add in what Beanie is showing and that team could see a major shift in offensive philosophy. Sort of a reversed Pittsburgh trend.Breaston is the guy to buy, IMO, not Doucet.

I guess you didn't read the OP throughly. I didn't say that Doucet would be the #2 WR in Arizona.

 

[gianmarco]

Steve Breaston down?Truthfully, Breaston has current value because of Warner. As each year goes by, the chances of him staying there get slimmer. The only reason the #3 in Arizona does anything is bc of Kurt. Sure, Boldin may be gone next year, but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. Add in what Beanie is showing and that team could see a major shift in offensive philosophy. Sort of a reversed Pittsburgh trend.Breaston is the guy to buy, IMO, not Doucet.

I guess you didn't read the OP throughly. I didn't say that Doucet would be the #2 WR in Arizona.

I guess you didn't read my post thoroughly. I said the #3 spot will have much less value in the future than it does now.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Steve Breaston down?Truthfully, Breaston has current value because of Warner. As each year goes by, the chances of him staying there get slimmer. The only reason the #3 in Arizona does anything is bc of Kurt. Sure, Boldin may be gone next year, but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. Add in what Beanie is showing and that team could see a major shift in offensive philosophy. Sort of a reversed Pittsburgh trend.Breaston is the guy to buy, IMO, not Doucet.

I guess you didn't read the OP throughly. I didn't say that Doucet would be the #2 WR in Arizona.

I guess you didn't read my post thoroughly. I said the #3 spot will have much less value in the future than it does now.

I guess you didn't read your own post throughly. You said, "but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. ". If that's not implying I said Doucet would be #2 instead of Breaston I don't know what does.

 

[gianmarco]

Steve Breaston down?Truthfully, Breaston has current value because of Warner. As each year goes by, the chances of him staying there get slimmer. The only reason the #3 in Arizona does anything is bc of Kurt. Sure, Boldin may be gone next year, but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. Add in what Beanie is showing and that team could see a major shift in offensive philosophy. Sort of a reversed Pittsburgh trend.Breaston is the guy to buy, IMO, not Doucet.

I guess you didn't read the OP throughly. I didn't say that Doucet would be the #2 WR in Arizona.

I guess you didn't read my post thoroughly. I said the #3 spot will have much less value in the future than it does now.

I guess you didn't read your own post throughly. You said, "but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. ". If that's not implying I said Doucet would be #2 instead of Breaston I don't know what does.

We can do this back and forth all day if you'd like. "The only reason the #3 in Arizona does anything is bc of Kurt".What does that imply?I read your post. I know what you said. I'm pointing out that Breaston seems to have a clear lock on the #2 job once Boldin leaves. That leaves the #3 spot for Doucet. I read your post. I get that you're saying he'll be the #3. And I'm saying I don't expect the Warner to be there much longer which would KILL the value of the #3 WR. Most #3 WRs aren't startable. Factor in the addition of Beanie and I think that Arizona starts to run more than they currently do as well. Yet another kill for the value of the #3 (aka Doucet). So, once again, IN OTHER WORDS, buying Doucet in the hopes he fills the #3 spot and replicates what Breaston is doing now is not a good idea, IMO. So, unless you think he's going to supplant Breaston, which you didn't seem to do and likely don't think, then Doucet will likely be what most every other #3WR in the league is. Mostly unstartable unless an injury occurs. Again, doesn't seem to me that you read my post thoroughly

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Steve Breaston down?Truthfully, Breaston has current value because of Warner. As each year goes by, the chances of him staying there get slimmer. The only reason the #3 in Arizona does anything is bc of Kurt. Sure, Boldin may be gone next year, but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. Add in what Beanie is showing and that team could see a major shift in offensive philosophy. Sort of a reversed Pittsburgh trend.Breaston is the guy to buy, IMO, not Doucet.

I guess you didn't read the OP throughly. I didn't say that Doucet would be the #2 WR in Arizona.

I guess you didn't read my post thoroughly. I said the #3 spot will have much less value in the future than it does now.

I guess you didn't read your own post throughly. You said, "but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. ". If that's not implying I said Doucet would be #2 instead of Breaston I don't know what does.

We can do this back and forth all day if you'd like. "The only reason the #3 in Arizona does anything is bc of Kurt".What does that imply?I read your post. I know what you said. I'm pointing out that Breaston seems to have a clear lock on the #2 job once Boldin leaves. That leaves the #3 spot for Doucet. I read your post. I get that you're saying he'll be the #3. And I'm saying I don't expect the Warner to be there much longer which would KILL the value of the #3 WR. Most #3 WRs aren't startable. Factor in the addition of Beanie and I think that Arizona starts to run more than they currently do as well. Yet another kill for the value of the #3 (aka Doucet). So, once again, IN OTHER WORDS, buying Doucet in the hopes he fills the #3 spot and replicates what Breaston is doing now is not a good idea, IMO. So, unless you think he's going to supplant Breaston, which you didn't seem to do and likely don't think, then Doucet will likely be what most every other #3WR in the league is. Mostly unstartable unless an injury occurs. Again, doesn't seem to me that you read my post thoroughly

....so you don't think much of Leinart? What about Kurt playing at least another year, maybe two? He seems to still have the skills.

 

[kutta]

I think gianmarco hit the nail on the head. Once Warner is gone (after next year), this offense is going to change. Leinart just plain out sucks, and I don't see him leading this team to anything close to what Warner has done. And Breaston will be the number 2 IF Boldin leaves, which is no sure thing but I will admit is likely.

So in Doucet you have, best case, the #3 guy on an offense with no Warner and an improved running game. I don't see a ton of value there.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Breaston is a RFA in 2010.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think gianmarco hit the nail on the head. Once Warner is gone (after next year), this offense is going to change. Leinart just plain out sucks, and I don't see him leading this team to anything close to what Warner has done. And Breaston will be the number 2 IF Boldin leaves, which is no sure thing but I will admit is likely. So in Doucet you have, best case, the #3 guy on an offense with no Warner and an improved running game. I don't see a ton of value there.

Leinart could still be a decent option at QB. I wouldn't throw him in the dumpster just yet. I think Warner plays as long as he's having fun and can still sling it. That may be for two more years.

 

[Casting Couch]

I think gianmarco hit the nail on the head. Once Warner is gone (after next year), this offense is going to change. Leinart just plain out sucks, and I don't see him leading this team to anything close to what Warner has done. And Breaston will be the number 2 IF Boldin leaves, which is no sure thing but I will admit is likely. So in Doucet you have, best case, the #3 guy on an offense with no Warner and an improved running game. I don't see a ton of value there.

 

[Casting Couch]

Breaston is a RFA in 2010.

No way does Arizona let Steve Breaston go.Seems like you are reaching for a reason why Doucet will be a valuable commodity next season.I just don't see it. Is Doucet worthy of a stash at the bottom of your roster ? Yes. But anything more than that is just "wishing" at this point.

 

[todisco1]

I think gianmarco hit the nail on the head. Once Warner is gone (after next year), this offense is going to change. Leinart just plain out sucks, and I don't see him leading this team to anything close to what Warner has done. And Breaston will be the number 2 IF Boldin leaves, which is no sure thing but I will admit is likely. So in Doucet you have, best case, the #3 guy on an offense with no Warner and an improved running game. I don't see a ton of value there.

I think if you believe the kid has talent, you grab him anyway. Taking a guy based on situation doesn't seem like a great long term strategy in dynasty leagues. Situations can change very quickly. If Leinart fails they may get someone great - people seem to be assuming that no good QB will ever play in Zona once Warner is gone. I don't know if Doucet is going to be that great, but if I really thought he could be a threat to Breaston's touches based on his talent I'd be all over him.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think gianmarco hit the nail on the head. Once Warner is gone (after next year), this offense is going to change. Leinart just plain out sucks, and I don't see him leading this team to anything close to what Warner has done. And Breaston will be the number 2 IF Boldin leaves, which is no sure thing but I will admit is likely. So in Doucet you have, best case, the #3 guy on an offense with no Warner and an improved running game. I don't see a ton of value there.

I think if you believe the kid has talent, you grab him anyway. Taking a guy based on situation doesn't seem like a great long term strategy in dynasty leagues. Situations can change very quickly. If Leinart fails they may get someone great - people seem to be assuming that no good QB will ever play in Zona once Warner is gone. I don't know if Doucet is going to be that great, but if I really thought he could be a threat to Breaston's touches based on his talent I'd be all over him.

Good post. Some can't seem to see past Kurt Warner I guess. Personally, in dynasty leagues I believe in talent over situation 7 days a week and twice on Sunday, because situation can change.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Breaston is a RFA in 2010.

No way does Arizona let Steve Breaston go.Seems like you are reaching for a reason why Doucet will be a valuable commodity next season.I just don't see it. Is Doucet worthy of a stash at the bottom of your roster ? Yes. But anything more than that is just "wishing" at this point.

He is at the bottom of my rosters but he could have value next year. If you choose to ignore that, then that's your prerogative. I'm only trying to throw a bone to the Shark Pool, and not trying to force my opinion on anyone. I expect everyone to go with their own mind and gut.

 

[thatguy]

does Boldin's contract end after this year making him a free agent? Or are you just anticipating a trade by the Cardinals Hoss?

Boldin is due to make 3 MIL in 2010, a bargain for the Cardinals.I highly doubt he will be moved with such an affordable contract.

Thanks for the info, I own him in my main dynasty league and while I love his production (when healthy) and watching him play, my biggest fear is seeing him traded to some fantasy wasteland (Chicago, Tampa etc) in the next year, but based on your post it sounds like Boldin will likely remain a Cardinal unless some team offers the farm to the Cardinals this off-season.

With Cutler throwing him the ball, I think Boldin would prosper in Chicago. Think Cutler to Marshall. In fact, as a Boldin owner in my dynasty league, I like Chicago the most out of the possible landing spots, and by quite a bit.

 

[gianmarco]

I think gianmarco hit the nail on the head. Once Warner is gone (after next year), this offense is going to change. Leinart just plain out sucks, and I don't see him leading this team to anything close to what Warner has done. And Breaston will be the number 2 IF Boldin leaves, which is no sure thing but I will admit is likely. So in Doucet you have, best case, the #3 guy on an offense with no Warner and an improved running game. I don't see a ton of value there.

I think if you believe the kid has talent, you grab him anyway. Taking a guy based on situation doesn't seem like a great long term strategy in dynasty leagues. Situations can change very quickly. If Leinart fails they may get someone great - people seem to be assuming that no good QB will ever play in Zona once Warner is gone. I don't know if Doucet is going to be that great, but if I really thought he could be a threat to Breaston's touches based on his talent I'd be all over him.

Good post. Some can't seem to see past Kurt Warner I guess. Personally, in dynasty leagues I believe in talent over situation 7 days a week and twice on Sunday, because situation can change.

Actually, I agree with this completely as well. But it's one thing to say to grab Doucet due to talent and another to say to grab him due to situation. Your post implies to grab him due to situation because you specifically mention that Boldin will be leaving.If you're advocating grabbing him for talent, I'm all on board. I lived in New Orleans for a few years and got to watch just about every LSU game of his and I like him a lot as a WR. I have no issue with the talent portion as I also believe in that. What I don't agree with is advocating for him due to situation which was the reason behind my post. I honestly don't think it's going to be an ideal situation for any #3 WR there. Yes, Warner could play, but it's very possible he's done after this year. A recent concussion, Boldin leaving, maybe another missed SB chance, and we may not see Kurt in 2010. I hope we do. Bottomline, I agree in going after Doucet, but to do so because of the talent portion, not the situation. The OP seemed to suggest the latter is all.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think gianmarco hit the nail on the head. Once Warner is gone (after next year), this offense is going to change. Leinart just plain out sucks, and I don't see him leading this team to anything close to what Warner has done. And Breaston will be the number 2 IF Boldin leaves, which is no sure thing but I will admit is likely. So in Doucet you have, best case, the #3 guy on an offense with no Warner and an improved running game. I don't see a ton of value there.

I think if you believe the kid has talent, you grab him anyway. Taking a guy based on situation doesn't seem like a great long term strategy in dynasty leagues. Situations can change very quickly. If Leinart fails they may get someone great - people seem to be assuming that no good QB will ever play in Zona once Warner is gone. I don't know if Doucet is going to be that great, but if I really thought he could be a threat to Breaston's touches based on his talent I'd be all over him.

Good post. Some can't seem to see past Kurt Warner I guess. Personally, in dynasty leagues I believe in talent over situation 7 days a week and twice on Sunday, because situation can change.

Actually, I agree with this completely as well. But it's one thing to say to grab Doucet due to talent and another to say to grab him due to situation. Your post implies to grab him due to situation because you specifically mention that Boldin will be leaving.If you're advocating grabbing him for talent, I'm all on board. I lived in New Orleans for a few years and got to watch just about every LSU game of his and I like him a lot as a WR. I have no issue with the talent portion as I also believe in that. What I don't agree with is advocating for him due to situation which was the reason behind my post. I honestly don't think it's going to be an ideal situation for any #3 WR there. Yes, Warner could play, but it's very possible he's done after this year. A recent concussion, Boldin leaving, maybe another missed SB chance, and we may not see Kurt in 2010. I hope we do. Bottomline, I agree in going after Doucet, but to do so because of the talent portion, not the situation. The OP seemed to suggest the latter is all.

One step at a time I guess. Going from the outhouse to WR #3, with upside for more is good enough for me. I'm not so hung up over the necessity for Kurt Warner as you are, because who knows what the QB future holds for Arizona. Leinart may prove to be a fine QB, or they may end up with someone better. What's exciting about Doucet is that the light is starting to come on from what I've read about him.

 

[Football Jones]

Talent...situation...they're both important. Talent trumps situation, but situation can be a difference-maker in FF.

Too many variables to always have a set strategy, but a player's FF value is always determined by a combination of both to some degree.

 

[thatguy]

Talent...situation...they're both important. Talent trumps situation, but situation can be a difference-maker in FF.Too many variables to always have a set strategy, but a player's FF value is always a combination of both to some degree.

I believe that talent trumps situation only for the uber-talents. Guys like Fitz, Calvin, ADP, SJax, etc. are so talented that they'll succeed no matter what - sure, they might put up better numbers in a better situation, but no matter the situation, they will produce.For guys who are talented, but not all world talents (most players in the NFL, really), situation is far and way the most important factor.

 

[tbglog]

does Boldin's contract end after this year making him a free agent? Or are you just anticipating a trade by the Cardinals Hoss?

Boldin is due to make 3 MIL in 2010, a bargain for the Cardinals.I highly doubt he will be moved with such an affordable contract.

Thanks for the info, I own him in my main dynasty league and while I love his production (when healthy) and watching him play, my biggest fear is seeing him traded to some fantasy wasteland (Chicago, Tampa etc) in the next year, but based on your post it sounds like Boldin will likely remain a Cardinal unless some team offers the farm to the Cardinals this off-season.

With Cutler throwing him the ball, I think Boldin would prosper in Chicago. Think Cutler to Marshall. In fact, as a Boldin owner in my dynasty league, I like Chicago the most out of the possible landing spots, and by quite a bit.

I think the cuboard is a little empty after the Cutler trade. Boldon will not be cheap in the way of a draft pick. I also dont see the Cards dealing him in the NFC unless the deal is so much better than the offer from an AFC team. (Balt,TN,even the Pats) Ibelieve the Patriots loaded up on draft picks again. Pure speculation on my part.

 

[Football Jones]

Talent...situation...they're both important. Talent trumps situation, but situation can be a difference-maker in FF.Too many variables to always have a set strategy, but a player's FF value is always a combination of both to some degree.

I believe that talent trumps situation only for the uber-talents. Guys like Fitz, Calvin, ADP, SJax, etc. are so talented that they'll succeed no matter what - sure, they might put up better numbers in a better situation, but no matter the situation, they will produce.For guys who are talented, but not all world talents (most players in the NFL, really), situation is far and way the most important factor.

I'm with you to a point. I probably give more credence to situation than most FFers, but not sure I agree situation is more important than talent with most players. That said, situation can be vastly underrated at times.One thing I hear a lot is talent will eventually win out, but there's too many times a less talented player is the better FF player. And not for just one season. It can be for several seasons, or even an entire career. You not only have to weigh out talent & situation, but in dynasty leagues, it's important to be aware of what might happen in the future. Lots of variables there. Anyway, I didn't mean to sidetrack the thread. I'm sure there's already some good threads on talent/situation.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Breaston is a RFA in 2010.

No way does Arizona let Steve Breaston go.Seems like you are reaching for a reason why Doucet will be a valuable commodity next season.

I just don't see it. Is Doucet worthy of a stash at the bottom of your roster ? Yes.

But anything more than that is just "wishing" at this point.

Really? What makes you so sure? The Cards dont pay anyone and Breaston will demand top dollar. To me, this situation could turn out that Breaston leaves, they trade Boldin & Doucet steps in as #2 opposite Fitz. This seems like a plausible Cardinals move so Doucet just might be a decent move right now.

 

[Casting Couch]

Steve Breaston down?Truthfully, Breaston has current value because of Warner. As each year goes by, the chances of him staying there get slimmer. The only reason the #3 in Arizona does anything is bc of Kurt. Sure, Boldin may be gone next year, but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. Add in what Beanie is showing and that team could see a major shift in offensive philosophy. Sort of a reversed Pittsburgh trend.Breaston is the guy to buy, IMO, not Doucet.

Breaston is much more expensive from a FF standpoint than Doucet, and rightfully so as you pointed out.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Steve Breaston down?Truthfully, Breaston has current value because of Warner. As each year goes by, the chances of him staying there get slimmer. The only reason the #3 in Arizona does anything is bc of Kurt. Sure, Boldin may be gone next year, but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. Add in what Beanie is showing and that team could see a major shift in offensive philosophy. Sort of a reversed Pittsburgh trend.Breaston is the guy to buy, IMO, not Doucet.

Breaston is much more expensive from a FF standpoint than Doucet, and rightfully so as you pointed out.

Do you think cheap Ariz will match the offers that he will receive in 2010?

 

[Casting Couch]

Breaston is a RFA in 2010.

No way does Arizona let Steve Breaston go.Seems like you are reaching for a reason why Doucet will be a valuable commodity next season.

I just don't see it. Is Doucet worthy of a stash at the bottom of your roster ? Yes.

But anything more than that is just "wishing" at this point.

Really? What makes you so sure? The Cards dont pay anyone and Breaston will demand top dollar. To me, this situation could turn out that Breaston leaves, they trade Boldin & Doucet steps in as #2 opposite Fitz. This seems like a plausible Cardinals move so Doucet just might be a decent move right now.

One of the Cards biggest strengths is their threesome at WR. Not sure what you mean by "top dollar". I see Breaston being paid as a WR2 next year.I think the WR situation will change very little if at all next season.

In post #11, MAC32 made a great point. Boldin's inexpensive contract could give the Cards leverage to deal him. Thre will probably be more suitors

because of his contract status.

Having said that, I would bet large sums of money that the Cards do not let go of both Boldin and Breaston as the Baron suggested.

Early Doucet moving from WR4 to WR3 in 2010 seems the best case scenario, imo.

 

[Casting Couch]

Steve Breaston down?Truthfully, Breaston has current value because of Warner. As each year goes by, the chances of him staying there get slimmer. The only reason the #3 in Arizona does anything is bc of Kurt. Sure, Boldin may be gone next year, but Breaston seems to have the lock on the #2 spot, not Doucet. Add in what Beanie is showing and that team could see a major shift in offensive philosophy. Sort of a reversed Pittsburgh trend.Breaston is the guy to buy, IMO, not Doucet.

Breaston is much more expensive from a FF standpoint than Doucet, and rightfully so as you pointed out.

Do you think cheap Ariz will match the offers that he will receive in 2010?

In a word, yes.If they trade Boldin this off-season as many suggest will be the case, then absolutely yes.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

One of the Cards biggest strengths is their threesome at WR. Not sure what you mean by "top dollar". I see Breaston being paid as a WR2 next year.

What he means by top dollar is that Breaston probably believes he should get paid WR #1 money, like TJ Housamazilly (Championship) got last year. Breaston was paid $460,000 this year, T.J. Houshmandzadeh signed a 5 year 40 million dollar contract. I expect Breaston will want something close to that. I can almost guarantee that Arizona won't pay Breaston that kind of money. Not just because they're cheap, but because I'd be willing to bet they don't think he's worth it, especially with Doucet waiting in the wings.

 

[Casting Couch]

One of the Cards biggest strengths is their threesome at WR. Not sure what you mean by "top dollar". I see Breaston being paid as a WR2 next year.

What he means by top dollar is that Breaston probably believes he should get paid WR #1 money, like TJ Housamazilly (Championship) got last year. Breaston was paid $460,000 this year, T.J. Houshmandzadeh signed a 5 year 40 million dollar contract. I expect Breaston will want something close to that. I can almost guarantee that Arizona won't pay Breaston that kind of money. Not just because they're cheap, but because I'd be willing to bet they don't think he's worth it, especially with Doucet waiting in the wings.

Wow, I don't see this at all. I'm thinking more along the lines of what Boldin is making now, around 3 MIL.Miles Austin who was the WR3 in Dallas signed for 1.5 MIL, I think 8 MIL per is way above fair value for SB.

If I had to guess, I think Breaston will fetch somewhere between 3 to 4 MIL tops.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

One of the Cards biggest strengths is their threesome at WR. Not sure what you mean by "top dollar". I see Breaston being paid as a WR2 next year.

What he means by top dollar is that Breaston probably believes he should get paid WR #1 money, like TJ Housamazilly (Championship) got last year. Breaston was paid $460,000 this year, T.J. Houshmandzadeh signed a 5 year 40 million dollar contract. I expect Breaston will want something close to that. I can almost guarantee that Arizona won't pay Breaston that kind of money. Not just because they're cheap, but because I'd be willing to bet they don't think he's worth it, especially with Doucet waiting in the wings.

Wow, I don't see this at all. I'm thinking more along the lines of what Boldin is making now, around 3 MIL.Miles Austin who was the WR3 in Dallas signed for 1.5 MIL, I think 8 MIL per is way above fair value for SB.

If I had to guess, I think Breaston will fetch somewhere between 3 to 4 MIL tops.

If Seattle is willing to dish out the coin to TJ, then Breaston might just as easily find someone willing to pay a lot more than Ariz is willing to match. Whether that's TJ cash or not.

 

[Casting Couch]

One of the Cards biggest strengths is their threesome at WR. Not sure what you mean by "top dollar". I see Breaston being paid as a WR2 next year.

What he means by top dollar is that Breaston probably believes he should get paid WR #1 money, like TJ Housamazilly (Championship) got last year. Breaston was paid $460,000 this year, T.J. Houshmandzadeh signed a 5 year 40 million dollar contract. I expect Breaston will want something close to that. I can almost guarantee that Arizona won't pay Breaston that kind of money. Not just because they're cheap, but because I'd be willing to bet they don't think he's worth it, especially with Doucet waiting in the wings.

Wow, I don't see this at all. I'm thinking more along the lines of what Boldin is making now, around 3 MIL.Miles Austin who was the WR3 in Dallas signed for 1.5 MIL, I think 8 MIL per is way above fair value for SB.

If I had to guess, I think Breaston will fetch somewhere between 3 to 4 MIL tops.

If Seattle is willing to dish out the coin to TJ, then Breaston might just as easily find someone willing to pay a lot more than Ariz is willing to match. Whether that's TJ cash or not.

In the end, the near term ceiling for Doucet is WR3, whether it's Boldin or Breaston in front of him, it will be either one or both of them, imo.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

One of the Cards biggest strengths is their threesome at WR. Not sure what you mean by "top dollar". I see Breaston being paid as a WR2 next year.

What he means by top dollar is that Breaston probably believes he should get paid WR #1 money, like TJ Housamazilly (Championship) got last year. Breaston was paid $460,000 this year, T.J. Houshmandzadeh signed a 5 year 40 million dollar contract. I expect Breaston will want something close to that. I can almost guarantee that Arizona won't pay Breaston that kind of money. Not just because they're cheap, but because I'd be willing to bet they don't think he's worth it, especially with Doucet waiting in the wings.

Wow, I don't see this at all. I'm thinking more along the lines of what Boldin is making now, around 3 MIL.Miles Austin who was the WR3 in Dallas signed for 1.5 MIL, I think 8 MIL per is way above fair value for SB.

If I had to guess, I think Breaston will fetch somewhere between 3 to 4 MIL tops.

If Seattle is willing to dish out the coin to TJ, then Breaston might just as easily find someone willing to pay a lot more than Ariz is willing to match. Whether that's TJ cash or not.

In the end, the near term ceiling for Doucet is WR3, whether it's Boldin or Breaston in front of him, it will be either one or both of them, imo.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if Breaston and Boldin signed elsewhere I know you don't want to believe that, and it is only about a 40% chance (imo), but hey, it could happen. If it doesn't, Doucet has a chance to continue his development and is still a good stash in dynasty leagues. However, if it did happen, boom!!

 

[Casting Couch]

Where do you get this 40% chance number from ? It's probably closer to 4%.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Where do you get this 40% chance number from ? It's probably closer to 4%.

I can respect your opinion. I came up with the 40% from the fact that I believe there's at least an 80% chance that Boldin is gone, and at least a 75% chance that Breaston is going to want WR #1 money. I lower it to 40% on the chance that Arizona either matches the Breaston offer or retains Boldin.

 

[Casting Couch]

Where do you get this 40% chance number from ? It's probably closer to 4%.

I can respect your opinion. I came up with the 40% from the fact that I believe there's at least an 80% chance that Boldin is gone, and at least a 75% chance that Breaston is going to want WR #1 money. I lower it to 40% on the chance that Arizona either matches the Breaston offer or retains Boldin.

It's all speculation at this point. We'll have to sit back and see how it all plays out.I respect your opinion as well HC, but I can't get with your numbers, especially the 8MIL for Breaston and the 40% chance that both Breaston and Boldinwill be playing elsewhere next season. These numbers are way off, imo. I do agree with you that Doucet is worth stashing at the end of dyno rosters.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Where do you get this 40% chance number from ? It's probably closer to 4%.

I can respect your opinion. I came up with the 40% from the fact that I believe there's at least an 80% chance that Boldin is gone, and at least a 75% chance that Breaston is going to want WR #1 money. I lower it to 40% on the chance that Arizona either matches the Breaston offer or retains Boldin.

It's all speculation at this point. We'll have to sit back and see how it all plays out.I respect your opinion as well HC, but I can't get with your numbers, especially the 8MIL for Breaston and the 40% chance that both Breaston and Boldinwill be playing elsewhere next season. These numbers are way off, imo. I do agree with you that Doucet is worth stashing at the end of dyno rosters.

What are the rules for RFA? Does it mean that Ariz has to match any offer? Or is there other factors that I'm not aware of? I'm not 100% up on RFA rules.

 

[Couch Potato]

Anybody want my opinion? Probably not. Here it is anyway.

I think the chances are very, very high that Boldin leaves Arizona after this year. People citing the cheap contract are focusing too much on that IMO. He's unhappy, he's a distraction, and he's still at an age where he can fetch a good return in trade. If I had to bet a nickle I'd put him in Baltimore, dealt for a pick or defensive help.

Why the assumption that Breaston moves into Boldin's place if he leaves? Zona has been successful working Breaston out of the slot, and I don't see that changing. I think he stays put, both on the team and in his role. As RFA, they can tag him at a level too high for teams to consider signing him to an offer sheet. Other teams know his stats have been high because of the system and the fact that coverages are busy with Fitz and Boldin.

Doucet was drafted in the 3rd round of 2008, and IMO with the purpose of grooming him for Boldin's spot. Next year will be his 3rd in the league and I think it's very likely he fills the #2 Boldin role.

I think Doucet is an excellent sleeper for next year.

 

[coolnerd]

Methinks, that people are connecting too many dots in terms of Doucet. I mean, has he really clearly beaten out J. Urban yet? Not saying if you can't get him for a low price or a throw in as a trade, he is not worth a roster spot ( I do have him a a couple of leagues), but you are waiting on multiple things happening

1) bolding leaving

2) Breaston leaving or being passed on the depth chart

3) Warner not retiring/showing his age

4) Leinart getting it.

5) Doucet actually staying healthy and passing Urban on depth chart.

As the late/off-season progresses some of this will clear up. but i remember in league people making too assumptions about doucet last off-season, and spending significant FA dollars and draft picks to get him. More than no, just proceed with a little more caution on this guy.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Methinks, that people are connecting too many dots in terms of Doucet. I mean, has he really clearly beaten out J. Urban yet? Not saying if you can't get him for a low price or a throw in as a trade, he is not worth a roster spot ( I do have him a a couple of leagues), but you are waiting on multiple things happening

1) bolding leaving

2) Breaston leaving or being passed on the depth chart

3) Warner not retiring/showing his age

4) Leinart getting it.

5) Doucet actually staying healthy and passing Urban on depth chart.

As the late/off-season progresses some of this will clear up. but i remember in league people making too assumptions about doucet last off-season, and spending significant FA dollars and draft picks to get him. More than no, just proceed with a little more caution on this guy.

Yes, he's already passed Urban.ESPN's Mike Sando confirms that Early Doucet has overtaken Jerheme Urban to be Arizona's No. 4 receiver.

Urban didn't play one snap in Sunday's win over Seattle, even losing his special teams responsibilities. Doucet had a drop, but caught an eight-yard pass while Urban went catch-less. Doucet can be added in deep leagues.

Source: ESPN.com

 

[Couch Potato]

Methinks, that people are connecting too many dots in terms of Doucet. I mean, has he really clearly beaten out J. Urban yet? Not saying if you can't get him for a low price or a throw in as a trade, he is not worth a roster spot ( I do have him a a couple of leagues), but you are waiting on multiple things happening

1) bolding leaving

2) Breaston leaving or being passed on the depth chart

3) Warner not retiring/showing his age

4) Leinart getting it.

5) Doucet actually staying healthy and passing Urban on depth chart.

As the late/off-season progresses some of this will clear up. but i remember in league people making too assumptions about doucet last off-season, and spending significant FA dollars and draft picks to get him. More than no, just proceed with a little more caution on this guy.

I guess it comes down to you snooze, you lose. By the time I wait to see the results of the above, someone more proactive has him. It's about risk/reward, and his cost in most leagues right now is dirt cheap.

My responses to your "multiple things happening":

1) I stated above I think the chances are very high Boldin leaves.

2) Neither... as stated above, Breaston stays in the slot.

3) & 4) Either way the system will remain, and IMO Leinart is being waaaaaay underrated, even treated as a laughingstock, on this board. That's going to look very foolish in time I believe. The time he's had to learn and mature and develop in practices will show once he's the starter. Remember all the questions about Rodgers sitting behind Favre for so long? While I don't think Leinart will be a Rodgers, he'll be fine. And anybody having Fitz as his primary target has a leg up. I'm not worried that he'd hinder the offense and Doucet's numbers.

5) Who knows if anyone will stay healthy? Red herring issue there. And yes, he's passed Urban. That's been evident the past couple of games.